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"David Smith" |
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17 Nov 2003 01:11:17 PM |
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BUSH LOOKING FOR PEACE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES |
For all the good that Bush is trying to do, by trying to gain
global peace, equally and more so,he is doing harm to the American
people and the global society. What Bush does not understand is
that you have to have the mentality of peace before you can have
the actuality of peace. To have global peace, those in the global
society have to feel equal, they have to feel they have the same
chances and same rights as anyone else, or there is resentment,
and a feeling of anger toward others. Taking out Saddam for
whatever reason was a good thing. To take out this type of
hypermacho simian alpha male type is a good thing. It allows
the mentality of peace to grow, toward the actuality of peace,
but then when you allow conflicts to rise without swift and
overpowering force to grow, as after the war in Iraq, any good
that came from the eviction of the alpha male falls to dust.
The mentality of peace fails and it is two steps back, the
one step forward is lost. In order for the mentality of peace
to grow toward the actuality of peace, one needs to themselves
have a mentality of equality of others. Bush overwhelmingly
fails in that regard. He feels no problem with making intersexual
children and homosexuals into second class subhumans in his
homosexual agenda of hate. Bush, as his father before him, does
not see nonchristians as equal to himself. Bush does not see
women as worthy of having the sovereignty of their own bodies.
Bush therefore inherently does not see all as equal or worthy.
When you cannot even give peace a chance at home, it is impossible
to give peace to the world. Freedom is not free nor is peace free.
One has to work toward peace like in a marriage, through compromise
and equal standing. You cannot on the one hand see some as godless
rag heads then expect them to extend an olive branch to you if
they are treated as subhumans only worthy of contempt.
Getting rid of the hypermacho simian alpha male types is a good
thing, as long as you yourself are not one and continuing the
problem in the first place. Getting rid of the Kim Jon and Castro
types is a good thing, as long as you see all of the people
at home and abroad as worthy of equality and peace. If you as
Bush, do not see even the people in your own country as equal,
you sure cannot see and be tolerant of those not in your country.
If on the one hand you say homosexuals cannot openly serve
in the military, then surely you do not see the allied forces as
inherently as good or equal to your military if they have open
homosexuals. You have to have the mentality of peace before you
can have the actuality of peace. This is not found in Bush,
nor it seems any of the top Democratic hopefuls, and so a
continuing process of one step forward and two steps back seems
likely to be the future.
You have to have the mentality of peace before you can have
the actuality of peace.
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| User: "Mark Fox" |
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| Title: Re: BUSH LOOKING FOR PEACE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES |
17 Nov 2003 10:27:08 PM |
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David Smith <Smith@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<3FB9C4EE.441ADDD4@nospam.com>...
For all the good that Bush is trying to do, by trying to gain
global peace, equally and more so,he is doing harm to the American
people and the global society.
I disagree.
What Bush does not understand is
that you have to have the mentality of peace before you can have
the actuality of peace.
We had the mentality of peace before 9/11. Bush was reading books to
school children when the towers exploded in flames and thousands
suffered slow, agonizing deaths and Arabs cheered the suffering. Now
is the time for war.
Peace will return. Have patience.
To have global peace, those in the global
society have to feel equal, they have to feel they have the same
chances and same rights as anyone else, or there is resentment,
and a feeling of anger toward others.
Yes like I feel toward the people who supported the 9/11 attacks and
the people who smiled when they heard of Americans suffering and
dying.
Taking out Saddam for
whatever reason was a good thing. To take out this type of
hypermacho simian alpha male type is a good thing. It allows
the mentality of peace to grow, toward the actuality of peace,
but then when you allow conflicts to rise without swift and
overpowering force to grow, as after the war in Iraq, any good
that came from the eviction of the alpha male falls to dust.
The mentality of peace fails and it is two steps back, the
one step forward is lost. In order for the mentality of peace
to grow toward the actuality of peace, one needs to themselves
have a mentality of equality of others. Bush overwhelmingly
fails in that regard.
I disagree. I like the bush philosophy: "We want peace. We will work
with you for peace and justice. If you try to hurt us we will kill
you. You can take that promise to the bank."
He feels no problem with making intersexual
children and homosexuals into second class subhumans in his
homosexual agenda of hate.
What? Where did that come from?
Bush, as his father before him, does
not see nonchristians as equal to himself. Bush does not see
women as worthy of having the sovereignty of their own bodies.
Bush therefore inherently does not see all as equal or worthy.
Eventhough I am staunchly pro choice from a legal standpoint, Even if
she is free to do so, Its sad that we live in a world where even one
woman would choose to kill her unborn child.
When you cannot even give peace a chance at home, it is impossible
to give peace to the world.
We are at peace with over 100 countries. We are only having trouble
with five. or Ten.
Freedom is not free nor is peace free.
True, you have to kill the bad guys to finally have peace and freedom.
One has to work toward peace like in a marriage, through compromise
and equal standing. You cannot on the one hand see some as godless
rag heads then expect them to extend an olive branch to you if
they are treated as subhumans only worthy of contempt.
Now this is getting a little silly. President Bush has spoken well of
the Islamic faith many times.
Getting rid of the hypermacho simian alpha male types is a good
thing, as long as you yourself are not one and continuing the
problem in the first place. Getting rid of the Kim Jon and Castro
types is a good thing, as long as you see all of the people
at home and abroad as worthy of equality and peace. If you as
Bush, do not see even the people in your own country as equal,
People in this country seem pretty "equal" to me.
you sure cannot see and be tolerant of those not in your country.
If on the one hand you say homosexuals cannot openly serve
in the military, then surely you do not see the allied forces as
inherently as good or equal to your military if they have open
homosexuals.
If you will recall, the current policy concerning Gays in the military
was established by the Clinton Administration.
You have to have the mentality of peace before you
can have the actuality of peace. This is not found in Bush,
He is working on security at the moment. Peace will come later.
nor it seems any of the top Democratic hopefuls, and so a
continuing process of one step forward and two steps back seems
likely to be the future.
Perhaps. Thats the way of the human race.
You have to have the mentality of peace before you can have
the actuality of peace.
Agreed, but just as when Japan bombed Pear Harbor and enslaved & raped
Chinese women by the thousands and Hitler was exterminating innocent
civilians by the millions, now is the time for war. Peace will come
later.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: BUSH LOOKING FOR PEACE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES |
18 Nov 2003 05:58:32 PM |
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"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a258afb5.0311172027.79d33b07@posting.google.com...
David Smith <Smith@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:<3FB9C4EE.441ADDD4@nospam.com>...
For all the good that Bush is trying to do, by trying to gain
global peace, equally and more so,he is doing harm to the American
people and the global society.
I disagree.
What Bush does not understand is
that you have to have the mentality of peace before you can have
the actuality of peace.
We had the mentality of peace before 9/11. Bush was reading books to
school children when the towers exploded in flames and thousands
suffered slow, agonizing deaths and Arabs cheered the suffering. Now
is the time for war.
Peace will return. Have patience.
Think again. You don't know the half of it. The REAL truth is kept from
us, as the rest of the world sees it on all their media. They have judged us
and found us unworthy to called civilized and humane. See below
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Pastor Frank
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http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0398/9803106.html
Video Review
PEOPLE AND THE LAND
Reviewed by Jane Adas
The point of Tom Hayes' 1997 documentary, "People and the Land," is
clear: what Israelis are doing to Palestinians is an American issue. It
should be of concern not only to Muslim Americans, or Arab Americans,
or Jewish Americans, but to all tax-paying Americans.
The film begins with a shot panning across the legend written in stone
on the Internal Revenue Service building: "Taxes are what we pay for a
civilized society." Then it explains that $77,726,000,000,000 of those tax
dollars (the total figure at the moment Hayes edited the film and a sum
that increases by $15 million per day) have been granted to a country that
is carrying out a most uncivilized occupation.
Hayes juxtaposes two facts. Since 1967 Israel has been the largest
single recipient of U.S. foreign aid. Sections 502(B) and 116(a) of the
Foreign Assistance Act prohibit military and economic aid to any country
that engages in "a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally
recognized human rights." He then demonstrates the human cost of this
contradiction, both in Israel and in the United States.
We see the economic havoc that results when the occupation
authorities close off a street in East Jerusalem to Palestinian traffic. We
hear from Palestinian Christians who cannot worship in Jerusalem,
which for the first time in history is closed to Palestinians from Gaza and
the West Bank. We see Israeli settlers breezing past a checkpoint at
which a Palestinian ambulance is held up while a child dies. We see a
wall built for security purposes around a refugee camp on which Hebrew
graffiti is written: "It's cheaper to kill them." Jews-only settlements,
built in violation of article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, are
contrasted with one of the more than 2,000 Palestinian homes that have
been demolished in violation of Article 3 of the same Convention to which
Israel is a signatory.
We are told that Palestinian schools were shut down for three years
during the intifada, creating "more targets on the streets" for Israeli
soldiers. An Israeli human rights worker says that more children under
the age of 16 were killed by Israeli forces in the sixth year of the
intifada than in the first, in spite of an Israeli military spokesman's
claim that "Israel worked hard to develop non-lethal means of control,"
such as plastic and rubber bullets, as part of its policy of "purity of
arms." A Palestinian doctor then provides evidence that, when fired
at close range, these rubber bullets have in fact produced fatalities
as well as 46,000 handicapped children.
We hear Israeli soldiers shooting into a crowd of mourners at a funeral
for a Palestinian youth they had killed earlier. Eerily echoing
Shakespeare's Shylock, a Palestinian father says, "Am I less than you?
I have ears; you have ears. I have hands; you have hands. As God created
you, He created me. Why should I be oppressed?"
"People and the Land" convincingly demonstrates Israel's "consistent
pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights." So
it seemed like a good choice to show at an event sponsored by the Columbia
University chapter of Amnesty International, the human rights organization.
The first problem was that some groups objected to the phrase "ethnic
cleansing" as a description of Israeli policy on the flyer announcing the
event. The film does show Palestinians talking about "a policy of slow
transfer," of the planning of occupation authorities to rid the area of
Palestinians as a demographic problem by making life so miserable for
them that they will be pushed out in order "to build a pure state for a
certainkind of p eople." Nevertheless, Columbia student officers of the
Amnesty chapter replaced every single flyer with new ones omitting the
offensive words.
After the film was shown, it was the audience's turn. Most of them were
astonished by seeing what Palestinians are forced to endure. However, one
woman said the film was unfair because it didn't show how Palestinians
oppress Israelis. Another threw her hair barrette at the writer saying,
If this were a rock, you'd be dead." Leaving aside the fact that rocks are
hardly as lethal as the M-16s Israeli soldiers wield, her mini-drama was
intended to invert everything we had just seen by portraying Palestinians
as the aggressors in the conflict.
Actually, the Columbia University reaction demonstrated that in the
United States, particularly in New York, it is unusual and even risky to
present the Palestinian side of the conflict. A Swiss lawyer told me
afterward that what he found most remarkable was that people were
surprised by what they had seen. What he did not realize is that this
is information that is not readily available in American media, despite
the fact that we pride ourselves on being the most open society in the
world.
THE INFORMATION BLOCKADE
As Tom Hayes explains in the film, all reporting that comes out of
Israel has to pass through two levels of military censorship. He
describes it as a prism between reality and your brain." Then, in the
United States, information about the Israeli-Palestinian situation
comes up against equally formidable methods of thought control-what
Hayes calls the Information Blockade. In the most recent issue of the
Link (Volume 30, Issue 5), he describes the methods used to prevent
"People and the Land" from being seen or, failing that, to delegitimize
him as a filmmaker.
And then there are tactics of harassment. In response to showing the
film at Columbia, the Zionist media-watch organization CAMERA has
been hounding Amnesty International. To avoid further unpleasantness,
Amnesty may discourage other chapters from doing the same.
Nobody in the audience challenged Hayes' figures regarding the
human cost in this country of the billions of dollars we export free of
charge to Israel. That this is one of the main targets of the Information
Blockade is suggested by the fact that the number of copies of Richard
Curtiss' "U.S. Aid to Israel: The Subject No One Mentions" (Link, Volume
30, Issue 4) reported missing from libraries is unprecedented.
Some of Hayes' comparisons: All the funding for the National
Endowment for the Arts since its creation in 1966 amounts to less than
eight months of aid to Israel; the $10 million cut in funding for PBS equals
16 hours of aid to Israel; in 1996 cuts in programs for America's poor
totaled $5.7 billion, cuts in aid to Israel were zero, aid to Israel was
$5.5 billion. "From the mouths of the poor onto the necks of the
Palestinians."
No wonder organizations like CAMERA are agitated. If Americans
knew, they might want to do something about it.
---
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Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/18/03
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| User: "Mark Fox" |
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| Title: Re: BUSH LOOKING FOR PEACE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES |
21 Nov 2003 11:46:18 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message news:<d8fb471b5cf3877660a916302caacca9@news.teranews.com>...
"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a258afb5.0311172027.79d33b07@posting.google.com...
David Smith <Smith@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:<3FB9C4EE.441ADDD4@nospam.com>...
For all the good that Bush is trying to do, by trying to gain
global peace, equally and more so,he is doing harm to the American
people and the global society.
I disagree.
What Bush does not understand is
that you have to have the mentality of peace before you can have
the actuality of peace.
We had the mentality of peace before 9/11. Bush was reading books to
school children when the towers exploded in flames and thousands
suffered slow, agonizing deaths and Arabs cheered the suffering. Now
is the time for war.
Peace will return. Have patience.
Think again. You don't know the half of it. The REAL truth is kept from
us, as the rest of the world sees it on all their media.
I have been around the world twice, visited Europe, Asia and
Australia. The media there is pretty much the same as it is here.
Where have you been that lead you to believe the media is
substantially different in other parts of the world?
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| User: "Pulver" |
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19 Nov 2003 03:14:37 PM |
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FOUR excess newsgroups trimmed.
It would appear that Pastor frank is seeking to be
ToSed for spamming How many times has he posted that
same Jane Adas article by 9 xposts, his BI must be in 3
figures. It only needs five reps to pass 21 BINGO
Pastor Frank wrote:
Think again. You don't know the half of it. The REAL truth is kept from
us, as the rest of the world sees it on all their media. They have judged us
and found us unworthy to called civilized and humane. See below
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Yes you are unworthy, uncivilized and inhumane. Also
you prevaricate on a Munchausen like scale.
Get your own house in order before you criticize anyone again.
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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21 Nov 2003 09:05:56 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:14:37 -0500, Pulver <redlen@gta.igs.net> wrote:
FOUR excess newsgroups trimmed.
It would appear that Pastor frank is seeking to be
ToSed for spamming How many times has he posted that
same Jane Adas article by 9 xposts, his BI must be in 3
figures. It only needs five reps to pass 21 BINGO
Pastor Frank wrote:
Think again. You don't know the half of it. The REAL truth is kept from
us, as the rest of the world sees it on all their media. They have judged us
and found us unworthy to called civilized and humane. See below
--
In this case he is right.
Yes you are unworthy, uncivilized and inhumane. Also
you prevaricate on a Munchausen like scale.
Get your own house in order before you criticize anyone again.
-Barry
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Web page: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~barry.og
Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information.
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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21 Nov 2003 09:05:36 AM |
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On 17 Nov 2003 20:27:08 -0800, (Mark Fox) wrote:
David Smith <Smith@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<3FB9C4EE.441ADDD4@nospam.com>...
For all the good that Bush is trying to do, by trying to gain
global peace, equally and more so,he is doing harm to the American
people and the global society.
I disagree.
What Bush does not understand is
that you have to have the mentality of peace before you can have
the actuality of peace.
We had the mentality of peace before 9/11.
Did you know that everywhere in the developed world it was 11/9?
Bush was reading books to
school children when the towers exploded in flames and thousands
suffered slow, agonizing deaths and Arabs cheered the suffering.
He wanted an excuse, like with Pearl harbour.
Now is the time for war.
Yes. War against the US.
Peace will return. Have patience.
Not as long as the US supports Israel and conducts illegal wars at the
behest of it's jew masters.
To have global peace, those in the global
society have to feel equal, they have to feel they have the same
chances and same rights as anyone else, or there is resentment,
and a feeling of anger toward others.
Yes like I feel toward the people who supported the 9/11 attacks and
the people who smiled when they heard of Americans suffering and
dying.
Why do you think it is that everybody hates the US?
Of course people are happy when Americans suffer and die.
The sad part is that there are some Americans left.
Taking out Saddam for
whatever reason was a good thing. To take out this type of
hypermacho simian alpha male type is a good thing. It allows
the mentality of peace to grow, toward the actuality of peace,
but then when you allow conflicts to rise without swift and
overpowering force to grow, as after the war in Iraq, any good
that came from the eviction of the alpha male falls to dust.
The mentality of peace fails and it is two steps back, the
one step forward is lost. In order for the mentality of peace
to grow toward the actuality of peace, one needs to themselves
have a mentality of equality of others. Bush overwhelmingly
fails in that regard.
I disagree. I like the bush philosophy: "We want peace. We will work
with you for peace and justice. If you try to hurt us we will kill
you. You can take that promise to the bank."
What Bush does is, "We don't care about peace. We will attack you
unless you help us attack some defenseless and harmless country.
If you are harmless and have oil we will kill you. We can take that
to our bank."
He feels no problem with making intersexual
children and homosexuals into second class subhumans in his
homosexual agenda of hate.
What? Where did that come from?
Bush hates everybody.
Bush, as his father before him, does
not see nonchristians as equal to himself. Bush does not see
women as worthy of having the sovereignty of their own bodies.
Bush therefore inherently does not see all as equal or worthy.
That's the truth.
Eventhough I am staunchly pro choice from a legal standpoint, Even if
she is free to do so, Its sad that we live in a world where even one
woman would choose to kill her unborn child.
When you cannot even give peace a chance at home, it is impossible
to give peace to the world.
True.
We are at peace with over 100 countries. We are only having trouble
with five. or Ten.
You would have trouble with none if there was a decent president.
Freedom is not free nor is peace free.
True, you have to kill the bad guys to finally have peace and freedom.
The worst bad guy is Bush.
Bush let 11/9 occur so he would have an excuse to cause more trouble
around the world.
One has to work toward peace like in a marriage, through compromise
and equal standing. You cannot on the one hand see some as godless
rag heads then expect them to extend an olive branch to you if
they are treated as subhumans only worthy of contempt.
Now this is getting a little silly. President Bush has spoken well of
the Islamic faith many times.
Now you are being ridiculous.
Getting rid of the hypermacho simian alpha male types is a good
thing, as long as you yourself are not one and continuing the
problem in the first place. Getting rid of the Kim Jon and Castro
types is a good thing, as long as you see all of the people
at home and abroad as worthy of equality and peace. If you as
Bush, do not see even the people in your own country as equal,
People in this country seem pretty "equal" to me.
Not according to terrorist Bush.
you sure cannot see and be tolerant of those not in your country.
If on the one hand you say homosexuals cannot openly serve
in the military, then surely you do not see the allied forces as
inherently as good or equal to your military if they have open
homosexuals.
If you will recall, the current policy concerning Gays in the military
was established by the Clinton Administration.
You have to have the mentality of peace before you
can have the actuality of peace. This is not found in Bush,
He is working on security at the moment. Peace will come later.
Since Bush started his "war on terror" there have been more terrorist
attacks and more people being recruited by terrorist groups.
Afghanistan is reverting back to war lords and Taliban control.
Bush is such a non thinker.
nor it seems any of the top Democratic hopefuls, and so a
continuing process of one step forward and two steps back seems
likely to be the future.
Perhaps. Thats the way of the human race.
You have to have the mentality of peace before you can have
the actuality of peace.
Agreed, but just as when Japan bombed Pear Harbor and enslaved & raped
Chinese women by the thousands and Hitler was exterminating innocent
civilians by the millions, now is the time for war. Peace will come
later.
It must be embarrassing for you living in such a messed up country with
a mentally retarded president.
-Barry
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Web page: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~barry.og
Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information.
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| User: "David Smith" |
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| Title: Re: BUSH LOOKING FOR PEACE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES |
18 Nov 2003 06:42:15 PM |
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Mark Fox wrote:
David Smith <Smith@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<3FB9C4EE.441ADDD4@nospam.com>...
For all the good that Bush is trying to do, by trying to gain
global peace, equally and more so,he is doing harm to the American
people and the global society.
I disagree.
Hysteria is the battle cry of conservatives.
What Bush does not understand is
that you have to have the mentality of peace before you can have
the actuality of peace.
We had the mentality of peace before 9/11. Bush was reading books to
school children when the towers exploded in flames and thousands
suffered slow, agonizing deaths and Arabs cheered the suffering. Now
is the time for war.
Peace will return. Have patience.
If we have no rights left what is left to fight for?
"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and
the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will
have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the
citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer
up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know?
For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."
-- Julius Caesar
"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier,
just so long as I'm the dictator."
President-elect, George W. Bush
December 18,2000
Now we know he wasn't kidding.
To have global peace, those in the global
society have to feel equal, they have to feel they have the same
chances and same rights as anyone else, or there is resentment,
and a feeling of anger toward others.
Yes like I feel toward the people who supported the 9/11 attacks and
the people who smiled when they heard of Americans suffering and
dying.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Taking out Saddam for
whatever reason was a good thing. To take out this type of
hypermacho simian alpha male type is a good thing. It allows
the mentality of peace to grow, toward the actuality of peace,
but then when you allow conflicts to rise without swift and
overpowering force to grow, as after the war in Iraq, any good
that came from the eviction of the alpha male falls to dust.
The mentality of peace fails and it is two steps back, the
one step forward is lost. In order for the mentality of peace
to grow toward the actuality of peace, one needs to themselves
have a mentality of equality of others. Bush overwhelmingly
fails in that regard.
I disagree. I like the bush philosophy: "We want peace. We will work
with you for peace and justice. If you try to hurt us we will kill
you. You can take that promise to the bank."
Simians are like that.
He feels no problem with making intersexual
children and homosexuals into second class subhumans in his
homosexual agenda of hate.
What? Where did that come from?
Bush, as his father before him, does
not see nonchristians as equal to himself. Bush does not see
women as worthy of having the sovereignty of their own bodies.
Bush therefore inherently does not see all as equal or worthy.
Eventhough I am staunchly pro choice from a legal standpoint, Even if
she is free to do so, Its sad that we live in a world where even one
woman would choose to kill her unborn child.
More sad we live in a country so prude they will not teach
explicit sexual education to prevent teen pregnancies that
cause many of the abortions in the first place.
When you cannot even give peace a chance at home, it is impossible
to give peace to the world.
We are at peace with over 100 countries. We are only having trouble
with five. or Ten.
Freedom is not free nor is peace free.
True, you have to kill the bad guys to finally have peace and freedom.
Eek eek
One has to work toward peace like in a marriage, through compromise
and equal standing. You cannot on the one hand see some as godless
rag heads then expect them to extend an olive branch to you if
they are treated as subhumans only worthy of contempt.
Now this is getting a little silly. President Bush has spoken well of
the Islamic faith many times.
Getting rid of the hypermacho simian alpha male types is a good
thing, as long as you yourself are not one and continuing the
problem in the first place. Getting rid of the Kim Jon and Castro
types is a good thing, as long as you see all of the people
at home and abroad as worthy of equality and peace. If you as
Bush, do not see even the people in your own country as equal,
People in this country seem pretty "equal" to me.
Then you are not one who wants to marry the same sex as
intersexuals with both sexes or homosexuals. It would then
seem very unequal to you all of a sudden.
you sure cannot see and be tolerant of those not in your country.
If on the one hand you say homosexuals cannot openly serve
in the military, then surely you do not see the allied forces as
inherently as good or equal to your military if they have open
homosexuals.
If you will recall, the current policy concerning Gays in the military
was established by the Clinton Administration.
Since when do you conservatives agree with Democrats, oh I
know, when they hate the same group as you do.
You have to have the mentality of peace before you
can have the actuality of peace. This is not found in Bush,
He is working on security at the moment. Peace will come later.
And if he or any other pResident would spend as much time
and money on peacing as warring the 9-11 might not have
happened.
nor it seems any of the top Democratic hopefuls, and so a
continuing process of one step forward and two steps back seems
likely to be the future.
Perhaps. Thats the way of the human race.
Perhaps that's the way of a species unwilling to grow up and
move beyond their hypermachoism and alpha male mentality.
To move beyond the mythical religions at the heart of all these
conflicts.
You have to have the mentality of peace before you can have
the actuality of peace.
Agreed, but just as when Japan bombed Pear Harbor and enslaved & raped
Chinese women by the thousands and Hitler was exterminating innocent
civilians by the millions, now is the time for war. Peace will come
later.
And ever is thus. From war to war to war.
If you alpha male want a bes would not follow the head monkey
and trot off to war every time he eeks at you, it would be very
hard to have wars. We have seen the enemy and it is us.
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17 Nov 2003 03:22:14 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:11:17 GMT, David Smith <Smith@nospam.com>
wrote:
Oh look, "Daniel Jetson" changed its name again, now it is going under
the "David Smith" pseudonym.
It also went under the pseudonyms of "Revend Dave", "Dave Lamma",
"Dan W. Rather" and many other names.
My god you filthy faggots sure are a dishonest bunch...
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"Now I want you to remember that no ***** ever won a war by dying for his country.
You won it by making the other poor dumb ***** die for his country."
-- General George S. Patton, Jr.
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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| Title: Re: BUSH LOOKING FOR PEACE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES |
18 Nov 2003 05:46:15 AM |
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"James Riske" <james_riske@mail15_dot_com> wrote in message
news:bqeirv0pj2ai79l8nvgf95qe0lgjpv8a1r@4ax.com...
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:11:17 GMT, David Smith <Smith@nospam.com>
wrote:
Oh look, "Daniel Jetson" changed its name again, now it is going under
the "David Smith" pseudonym.
It also went under the pseudonyms of "Revend Dave", "Dave Lamma",
"Dan W. Rather" and many other names.
My god you filthy faggots sure are a dishonest bunch...
at least that poster tried to contribute something. how the ***** do you
justify your existence??
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"Now I want you to remember that no ***** ever won a war by dying for
his country.
You won it by making the other poor dumb ***** die for his country."
......and that's what makes a civil war amusing...? go start one, please
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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18 Nov 2003 10:57:28 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:22:14 -0500, James Riske
<james_riske@mail15_dot_com> posted in alt.atheism:
My god you filthy faggots sure are a dishonest bunch...
When you can't argue with the message attack the messenger?
--
Zymurgist # 2
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "The Devils Advocate©" |
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| Title: Re: BUSH LOOKING FOR PEACE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES |
17 Nov 2003 09:02:32 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:11:17 GMT, David Smith <Smith@nospam.com>
wrote:
For all the good that Bush is trying to do, by trying to gain
global peace, equally and more so,he is doing harm to the American
people and the global society. What Bush does not understand is
that you have to have the mentality of peace before you can have
the actuality of peace.
Tell that to Saddam and Bin Ladin. Don't be surprised if they put a
bullet in your head though.
To have global peace, those in the global
society have to feel equal, they have to feel they have the same
chances and same rights as anyone else, or there is resentment,
and a feeling of anger toward others.
How "they" feel is not "our" problem.
The mentality of peace fails and it is two steps back, the
one step forward is lost. In order for the mentality of peace
to grow toward the actuality of peace, one needs to themselves
have a mentality of equality of others. Bush overwhelmingly
fails in that regard. He feels no problem with making intersexual
children
What the ***** are intersexual children? Hermaphradites?
and homosexuals into second class subhumans in his
homosexual agenda of hate. Bush, as his father before him, does
not see nonchristians as equal to himself. Bush does not see
women as worthy of having the sovereignty of their own bodies.
Bush therefore inherently does not see all as equal or worthy.
What has Bush done to gays and women that is so bad?
When you cannot even give peace a chance at home, it is impossible
to give peace to the world.
....I'm not wasting anymore time on this hippy *****.
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| User: "ahh" |
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17 Nov 2003 05:28:14 PM |
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Peace is mostly a concept of simple minds. Its like saying lets live in a
world with no crime.
Lets all sing now!
"All we are saying.... Is give simple minds and their beliefs a chance"
"David Smith" <Smith@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:3FB9C4EE.441ADDD4@nospam.com...
For all the good that Bush is trying to do, by trying to gain
global peace, equally and more so,he is doing harm to the American
people and the global society. What Bush does not understand is
that you have to have the mentality of peace before you can have
the actuality of peace. To have global peace, those in the global
society have to feel equal, they have to feel they have the same
chances and same rights as anyone else, or there is resentment,
and a feeling of anger toward others. Taking out Saddam for
whatever reason was a good thing. To take out this type of
hypermacho simian alpha male type is a good thing. It allows
the mentality of peace to grow, toward the actuality of peace,
but then when you allow conflicts to rise without swift and
overpowering force to grow, as after the war in Iraq, any good
that came from the eviction of the alpha male falls to dust.
The mentality of peace fails and it is two steps back, the
one step forward is lost. In order for the mentality of peace
to grow toward the actuality of peace, one needs to themselves
have a mentality of equality of others. Bush overwhelmingly
fails in that regard. He feels no problem with making intersexual
children and homosexuals into second class subhumans in his
homosexual agenda of hate. Bush, as his father before him, does
not see nonchristians as equal to himself. Bush does not see
women as worthy of having the sovereignty of their own bodies.
Bush therefore inherently does not see all as equal or worthy.
When you cannot even give peace a chance at home, it is impossible
to give peace to the world. Freedom is not free nor is peace free.
One has to work toward peace like in a marriage, through compromise
and equal standing. You cannot on the one hand see some as godless
rag heads then expect them to extend an olive branch to you if
they are treated as subhumans only worthy of contempt.
Getting rid of the hypermacho simian alpha male types is a good
thing, as long as you yourself are not one and continuing the
problem in the first place. Getting rid of the Kim Jon and Castro
types is a good thing, as long as you see all of the people
at home and abroad as worthy of equality and peace. If you as
Bush, do not see even the people in your own country as equal,
you sure cannot see and be tolerant of those not in your country.
If on the one hand you say homosexuals cannot openly serve
in the military, then surely you do not see the allied forces as
inherently as good or equal to your military if they have open
homosexuals. You have to have the mentality of peace before you
can have the actuality of peace. This is not found in Bush,
nor it seems any of the top Democratic hopefuls, and so a
continuing process of one step forward and two steps back seems
likely to be the future.
You have to have the mentality of peace before you can have
the actuality of peace.
,,,,,,,,,,.........
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| User: "David Smith" |
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| Title: Re: BUSH LOOKING FOR PEACE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES |
17 Nov 2003 06:29:43 PM |
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ahh wrote:
Peace is mostly a concept of simple minds. Its like saying lets live in a
world with no crime.
And it takes a even more simple mind to assume we have to
follow our simian ancestral hierarchical structure, to continue to
eek eek at the alpha male in charge and follow him to what
ever new feeding ground to defending, that he pounds his chest
at, if so then you are indeed of a simple mind.
The reason people commit crime is they have not been taught
respect of self and others. To respect other's property, in doing
so they respect themselves. With your statement I doubt very
much you understand or could understand this concept however.
Now get back to scratching and trying to find flees on your mate.
Lets all sing now!
"All we are saying.... Is give simple minds and their beliefs a chance"
"David Smith" <Smith@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:3FB9C4EE.441ADDD4@nospam.com...
For all the good that Bush is trying to do, by trying to gain
global peace, equally and more so,he is doing harm to the American
people and the global society. What Bush does not understand is
that you have to have the mentality of peace before you can have
the actuality of peace. To have global peace, those in the global
society have to feel equal, they have to feel they have the same
chances and same rights as anyone else, or there is resentment,
and a feeling of anger toward others. Taking out Saddam for
whatever reason was a good thing. To take out this type of
hypermacho simian alpha male type is a good thing. It allows
the mentality of peace to grow, toward the actuality of peace,
but then when you allow conflicts to rise without swift and
overpowering force to grow, as after the war in Iraq, any good
that came from the eviction of the alpha male falls to dust.
The mentality of peace fails and it is two steps back, the
one step forward is lost. In order for the mentality of peace
to grow toward the actuality of peace, one needs to themselves
have a mentality of equality of others. Bush overwhelmingly
fails in that regard. He feels no problem with making intersexual
children and homosexuals into second class subhumans in his
homosexual agenda of hate. Bush, as his father before him, does
not see nonchristians as equal to himself. Bush does not see
women as worthy of having the sovereignty of their own bodies.
Bush therefore inherently does not see all as equal or worthy.
When you cannot even give peace a chance at home, it is impossible
to give peace to the world. Freedom is not free nor is peace free.
One has to work toward peace like in a marriage, through compromise
and equal standing. You cannot on the one hand see some as godless
rag heads then expect them to extend an olive branch to you if
they are treated as subhumans only worthy of contempt.
Getting rid of the hypermacho simian alpha male types is a good
thing, as long as you yourself are not one and continuing the
problem in the first place. Getting rid of the Kim Jon and Castro
types is a good thing, as long as you see all of the people
at home and abroad as worthy of equality and peace. If you as
Bush, do not see even the people in your own country as equal,
you sure cannot see and be tolerant of those not in your country.
If on the one hand you say homosexuals cannot openly serve
in the military, then surely you do not see the allied forces as
inherently as good or equal to your military if they have open
homosexuals. You have to have the mentality of peace before you
can have the actuality of peace. This is not found in Bush,
nor it seems any of the top Democratic hopefuls, and so a
continuing process of one step forward and two steps back seems
likely to be the future.
You have to have the mentality of peace before you can have
the actuality of peace.
,,,,,,,,,,.........
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: BUSH LOOKING FOR PEACE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES |
18 Nov 2003 10:59:29 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:29:43 GMT, David Smith <Smith@nospam.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
The reason people commit crime is they have not been taught
respect of self and others.
Some people just can't be socialized. It's like asking an amputee to
walk on 2 feet - the mechanism doesn't exist.
--
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your
Christ."
- Mohandas Gandhi
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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