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12 Jan 2005 11:37:24 AM |
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Bush: Non-religious people "not equally as patriotic" |
Bush: 'I don't see how you can be president without a relationship with
the Lord'...
Tue Jan 11 2005 22:37:08 ET
President Bush granted THE WASHINGTON TIMES an extensive and exclusive
interview late Tuesday, sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.
President Bush said yesterday that he doesn't "see how you can be
president without a relationship with the Lord," but that he is always
mindful to protect the right of others to worship or not worship.
Mr. Bush told editors and reporters of The Washington Times yesterday
in an interview in the Oval Office that many in the public
misunderstand the role of faith in his life and his view of the proper
relationship between religion and the government.
"I think people attack me because they are fearful that I will then say
that you're not equally as patriotic if you're not a religious person,"
Mr. Bush said. "I've never said that. I've never acted like that. I
think that's just the way it is.
<http://drudgereport.com/flashwt.htm>
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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12 Jan 2005 12:51:39 PM |
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"MrPepper11" <MrPepper11@go.com> wrote in message
news:1105551444.564895.129450@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Bush: 'I don't see how you can be president without a relationship with
the Lord'...
Tue Jan 11 2005 22:37:08 ET
President Bush granted THE WASHINGTON TIMES an extensive and exclusive
interview late Tuesday, sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.
President Bush said yesterday that he doesn't "see how you can be
president without a relationship with the Lord," but that he is always
mindful to protect the right of others to worship or not worship.
Mr. Bush told editors and reporters of The Washington Times yesterday
in an interview in the Oval Office that many in the public
misunderstand the role of faith in his life and his view of the proper
relationship between religion and the government.
"I think people attack me because they are fearful that I will then say
that you're not equally as patriotic if you're not a religious person,"
Mr. Bush said. "I've never said that. I've never acted like that. I
think that's just the way it is.
"I've never said that"!?? He just did!
What a retard!
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Salad" |
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12 Jan 2005 06:51:04 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"MrPepper11" <MrPepper11@go.com> wrote in message
news:1105551444.564895.129450@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Bush: 'I don't see how you can be president without a relationship with
the Lord'...
Tue Jan 11 2005 22:37:08 ET
President Bush granted THE WASHINGTON TIMES an extensive and exclusive
interview late Tuesday, sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.
President Bush said yesterday that he doesn't "see how you can be
president without a relationship with the Lord," but that he is always
mindful to protect the right of others to worship or not worship.
Mr. Bush told editors and reporters of The Washington Times yesterday
in an interview in the Oval Office that many in the public
misunderstand the role of faith in his life and his view of the proper
relationship between religion and the government.
"I think people attack me because they are fearful that I will then say
that you're not equally as patriotic if you're not a religious person,"
Mr. Bush said. "I've never said that. I've never acted like that. I
think that's just the way it is.
"I've never said that"!?? He just did!
What a retard!
He might be crazy.
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| User: "stoney" |
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16 Jan 2005 09:26:20 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:51:04 GMT, Salad <oil@vinegar.com> wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"MrPepper11" <MrPepper11@go.com> wrote in message
news:1105551444.564895.129450@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Bush: 'I don't see how you can be president without a relationship with
the Lord'...
Tue Jan 11 2005 22:37:08 ET
President Bush granted THE WASHINGTON TIMES an extensive and exclusive
interview late Tuesday, sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.
President Bush said yesterday that he doesn't "see how you can be
president without a relationship with the Lord," but that he is always
mindful to protect the right of others to worship or not worship.
Mr. Bush told editors and reporters of The Washington Times yesterday
in an interview in the Oval Office that many in the public
misunderstand the role of faith in his life and his view of the proper
relationship between religion and the government.
"I think people attack me because they are fearful that I will then say
that you're not equally as patriotic if you're not a religious person,"
Mr. Bush said. "I've never said that. I've never acted like that. I
think that's just the way it is.
"I've never said that"!?? He just did!
What a retard!
He might be crazy.
No might about it. Psychopath.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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12 Jan 2005 12:18:23 PM |
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On 12 Jan 2005 09:37:24 -0800, "MrPepper11" <MrPepper11@go.com> wrote:
Bush: 'I don't see how you can be president without a relationship with
the Lord'...
Confirmation that the man is a certifiable lunatic.
Tue Jan 11 2005 22:37:08 ET
President Bush granted THE WASHINGTON TIMES an extensive and exclusive
interview late Tuesday, sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.
President Bush said yesterday that he doesn't "see how you can be
president without a relationship with the Lord," but that he is always
mindful to protect the right of others to worship or not worship.
Mr. Bush told editors and reporters of The Washington Times yesterday
in an interview in the Oval Office that many in the public
misunderstand the role of faith in his life and his view of the proper
relationship between religion and the government.
"I think people attack me because they are fearful that I will then say
that you're not equally as patriotic if you're not a religious person,"
Mr. Bush said. "I've never said that. I've never acted like that. I
think that's just the way it is.
He's deluded.
They respond to his behaviour: his transparent lies to the rest of the
world as an excuse wage a war that is illegal in international law,
his reneging on treaties from Kyoto through the International Criminal
Court to the Geneva Convention, his "God is on our side" attitude, his
attempts to establish religion, his illiteracy, his general
stupidity, etc.
<http://drudgereport.com/flashwt.htm>
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| User: "Kate " |
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12 Jan 2005 08:47:07 PM |
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On 12 Jan 2005 09:37:24 -0800, "MrPepper11" <MrPepper11@go.com> wrote:
Bush: 'I don't see how you can be president without a relationship with
the Lord'...
Tue Jan 11 2005 22:37:08 ET
President Bush granted THE WASHINGTON TIMES an extensive and exclusive
interview late Tuesday, sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.
President Bush said yesterday that he doesn't "see how you can be
president without a relationship with the Lord," but that he is always
mindful to protect the right of others to worship or not worship.
Mr. Bush told editors and reporters of The Washington Times yesterday
in an interview in the Oval Office that many in the public
misunderstand the role of faith in his life and his view of the proper
relationship between religion and the government.
"I think people attack me because they are fearful that I will then say
that you're not equally as patriotic if you're not a religious person,"
Mr. Bush said. "I've never said that. I've never acted like that. I
think that's just the way it is.
Well, Drudge is pretty useless as a source, but if this quote is true,
apparently Bush doesn't understand that he when he says he thinks
something is just the way it is, he has actually said it.
It's really scarey that he's that stupid.
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| User: "" |
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13 Jan 2005 08:43:17 AM |
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Now that we are all through venting our bile, we can have a serious
discussion. I expect a President to have a religious background. Why?
Because that is where they get their moral values and ethics from. It
doesn't matter if they are Moslem, Jewish, or Christian. As long as it
is monotheistic. Being Jewish, I abhor graven images, so I go with
monotheism all the way. BUT, .... these clowns who are obsessed with
Christian religious fundamentalism are out of their minds. Bush talks
a lot of trash about religion, but clearly has no moral values and no
ethics. EVEN CLINTON, the unrepentant philanderer, tried to run the
country in a way that was in the best interests of ALL CITIZENS, even
if he could not make his personal life work in a moral way.
Aaron Hirshberg
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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13 Jan 2005 11:24:52 PM |
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wrote:
Now that we are all through venting our bile, we can have a serious
discussion. I expect a President to have a religious background.
Why?
Because that is where they get their moral values and ethics from.
It
doesn't matter if they are Moslem, Jewish, or Christian. As long as
it
is monotheistic. Being Jewish, I abhor graven images, so I go with
monotheism all the way. BUT, .... these clowns who are obsessed with
Christian religious fundamentalism are out of their minds. Bush
talks
a lot of trash about religion, but clearly has no moral values and no
ethics. EVEN CLINTON, the unrepentant philanderer, tried to run the
country in a way that was in the best interests of ALL CITIZENS, even
if he could not make his personal life work in a moral way.
Aaron Hirshberg
I think the better debate at this point would be to discuss what
patriotism is and how Bush defines it.
He seems to think that patiotism means doing whatever he says without
questioning it. I think American patriotism means the exact opposite.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Jan 2005 03:58:32 PM |
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On 13 Jan 2005 21:24:52 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said in alt.atheism:
He seems to think that patiotism means doing whatever he says without
questioning it.
He DID once say that it would be easier if this were a dictatorship.
I think American patriotism means the exact opposite.
But, then, you're sane.
--
"If we really know Truth, we do not fear hearing falsehoods or half-truths; if we are not sure of the truth - we shudder and try to shout down every utterance." - A. J. Mims
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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13 Jan 2005 10:33:19 PM |
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On 13 Jan 2005 06:43:17 -0800, said in
alt.atheism:
Now that we are all through venting our bile, we can have a serious
discussion. I expect a President to have a religious background. Why?
Because that is where they get their moral values
Morality != religion. Nor does religion = morality. (In most cases,
religion = immorality.)
--
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus
was not born of a virgin."
Cardinal Bellarmine,[1615, during the trial of Galileo]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "El Rayo-X" |
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13 Jan 2005 11:14:00 AM |
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On 13 Jan 2005 06:43:17 -0800, wrote:
Now that we are all through venting our bile, we can have a serious
discussion. I expect a President to have a religious background. Why?
Because that is where they get their moral values and ethics from.
I remain suspicious of moral values and ethics derived through the
fear of burning in hell for eternity. Those that are arrived at
through rational thought are much preferred here.
It
doesn't matter if they are Moslem, Jewish, or Christian. As long as it
is monotheistic. Being Jewish, I abhor graven images, so I go with
monotheism all the way. BUT, .... these clowns who are obsessed with
Christian religious fundamentalism are out of their minds. Bush talks
a lot of trash about religion, but clearly has no moral values and no
ethics.
....What happened to the religious background? Clearly, the
consequences of "sin" may be conveniently postponed until after one
has died, and there is no evidence that they are suffered for then, so
one is gloriously free from the constraints of their "religion". The
relationship Bush imagines himself to have with his god and the
consequences of the actions he is responsible for do not make sense to
me. But, then again, thats just me...
EVEN CLINTON, the unrepentant philanderer, tried to run the
country in a way that was in the best interests of ALL CITIZENS, even
if he could not make his personal life work in a moral way.
Oh, I don't know, what is it about Bill Clinton's life that hasn't
worked, even in the context of whatever moral filter you care to view
it through?
Aaron Hirshberg
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| User: "Kate " |
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13 Jan 2005 06:17:05 PM |
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On 13 Jan 2005 06:43:17 -0800, wrote:
Now that we are all through venting our bile, we can have a serious
discussion. I expect a President to have a religious background. Why?
Because that is where they get their moral values and ethics from. It
doesn't matter if they are Moslem, Jewish, or Christian. As long as it
is monotheistic. Being Jewish, I abhor graven images, so I go with
monotheism all the way. BUT, .... these clowns who are obsessed with
Christian religious fundamentalism are out of their minds. Bush talks
a lot of trash about religion, but clearly has no moral values and no
ethics. EVEN CLINTON, the unrepentant philanderer, tried to run the
country in a way that was in the best interests of ALL CITIZENS, even
if he could not make his personal life work in a moral way.
Aaron Hirshberg
If you have to get your moral values told to you from a book, it means
you don't have any in the first place. That's a lot scarier than
anything else.
Religion isn't the only place to get moral values. If you care about
others, you have them. That many religous people don't understand
that is pretty telling.
Other than that, it's just bigotry.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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13 Jan 2005 10:31:25 PM |
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On 12 Jan 2005 20:47:07 -0600, (Kate ) said in
alt.atheism:
It's really scarey that he's that stupid.
Why? Ventriloquist dummies don't need intelligence. Only the ability
to flap their lower jaws.
--
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Eyeball Kid" |
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13 Jan 2005 08:38:30 AM |
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[[ This message was both posted and mailed: see
the "To," "Cc," and "Newsgroups" headers for details. ]]
In article <41f7e039.438514000@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate
<cobalt@newscene.com> wrote:
On 12 Jan 2005 09:37:24 -0800, "MrPepper11" <MrPepper11@go.com> wrote:
Bush: 'I don't see how you can be president without a relationship with
the Lord'...
Tue Jan 11 2005 22:37:08 ET
President Bush granted THE WASHINGTON TIMES an extensive and exclusive
interview late Tuesday, sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.
President Bush said yesterday that he doesn't "see how you can be
president without a relationship with the Lord," but that he is always
mindful to protect the right of others to worship or not worship.
Mr. Bush told editors and reporters of The Washington Times yesterday
in an interview in the Oval Office that many in the public
misunderstand the role of faith in his life and his view of the proper
relationship between religion and the government.
"I think people attack me because they are fearful that I will then say
that you're not equally as patriotic if you're not a religious person,"
Mr. Bush said. "I've never said that. I've never acted like that. I
think that's just the way it is.
Well, Drudge is pretty useless as a source, but if this quote is true,
apparently Bush doesn't understand that he when he says he thinks
something is just the way it is, he has actually said it.
It's really scarey that he's that stupid.
I'm not sure that he's stupid, but his sociopathy is in plain sight
with this quote. He displays a lack of integration between his inner
beliefs and what the outward consequences of his actions. His internal
dialogue is separate from the reality of his behavior.
Think about this for a second, and you come to understand that this is
why he doesn't make any mistakes, this is why he has no feelings of
remorse over the deaths that he's caused, or the suffering and ruin
that he's ordered for people's lives. He insulates himself from the
consequences of his own actions.
He's a dangeroous monster. "Scary" is a mild term.
E. K.
--
"Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he
makes and we should just support that."-Britney Spears, 9/2003
"The American Way of Life is not negotiable." ***** Cheney, 2001
Free humor. Whenever you want. http://www.psmueller.com
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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13 Jan 2005 08:43:03 PM |
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Eyeball Kid wrote:
[[ This message was both posted and mailed: see
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In article <41f7e039.438514000@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate
<cobalt@newscene.com> wrote:
On 12 Jan 2005 09:37:24 -0800, "MrPepper11" <MrPepper11@go.com>
wrote:
Bush: 'I don't see how you can be president without a relationship
with
the Lord'...
Tue Jan 11 2005 22:37:08 ET
President Bush granted THE WASHINGTON TIMES an extensive and
exclusive
interview late Tuesday, sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.
President Bush said yesterday that he doesn't "see how you can be
president without a relationship with the Lord," but that he is
always
mindful to protect the right of others to worship or not worship.
Mr. Bush told editors and reporters of The Washington Times
yesterday
in an interview in the Oval Office that many in the public
misunderstand the role of faith in his life and his view of the
proper
relationship between religion and the government.
"I think people attack me because they are fearful that I will
then say
that you're not equally as patriotic if you're not a religious
person,"
Mr. Bush said. "I've never said that. I've never acted like that.
I
think that's just the way it is.
Well, Drudge is pretty useless as a source, but if this quote is
true,
apparently Bush doesn't understand that he when he says he thinks
something is just the way it is, he has actually said it.
It's really scarey that he's that stupid.
I'm not sure that he's stupid, but his sociopathy is in plain sight
with this quote. He displays a lack of integration between his inner
beliefs and what the outward consequences of his actions. His
internal
dialogue is separate from the reality of his behavior.
Think about this for a second, and you come to understand that this
is
why he doesn't make any mistakes, this is why he has no feelings of
remorse over the deaths that he's caused, or the suffering and ruin
that he's ordered for people's lives. He insulates himself from the
consequences of his own actions.
He's a dangeroous monster. "Scary" is a mild term.
E. K.
--
"Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every
decision that he
makes and we should just support that."-Britney Spears, 9/2003
"The American Way of Life is not negotiable." ***** Cheney, 2001
Free humor. Whenever you want. http://www.psmueller.com
I disagree. I think Kate is right when she says he is a stupid man. But
that just opens the door for others in the administration to do what
they want without being seen. He is too stupid to be aware of what they
are doing.
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| User: "" |
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12 Jan 2005 11:40:58 AM |
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Yeah, the anti-Christ is babbling about his relationship with the Lord.
Aaron Hirshberg
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| User: "Thom" |
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13 Jan 2005 09:16:45 AM |
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On 12 Jan 2005 09:40:58 -0800, wrote:
Yeah, the anti-Christ is babbling about his relationship with the Lord.
Aaron Hirshberg
That's WRONG! Reagan was the antri-christ and bore the mark of the
beast 6-6-6 (count the letters in each of his names!) Reagan said
unto Bush "you may sit at my left side" but Bush is so dumb he didn't
know which side that was so you don't notice him next to Reagan.
THOM
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| User: "Williams" |
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12 Jan 2005 10:30:36 PM |
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http://www.whale.to/b/666a.html:
(The original German spelling of "B U S H" is really "B U S C H E".)
G-E-O-R-G-E
W-A-L-K-E-R
B-U-S-C-H-E
666
he's an ***** alright.
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| User: "Thom" |
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14 Jan 2005 06:18:18 AM |
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On 12 Jan 2005 20:30:36 -0800, "Williams" <c-williams3@lycos.com>
wrote:
http://www.whale.to/b/666a.html:
(The original German spelling of "B U S H" is really "B U S C H E".)
G-E-O-R-G-E
W-A-L-K-E-R
B-U-S-C-H-E
666
My apologies, I forgot they anglicized to BUSH when the Family got to
the colonies in 1740. My god, two anti-christs in one century. Too
bad the religious right is too dumb to see it.
THOM
he's an ***** alright.
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