Religions > Atheism > Bush predicted "we're not going to have any casualties"in Iraq
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20 Oct 2004 10:53:18 AM |
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Bush predicted "we're not going to have any casualties"in Iraq |
If you believe Pat Robertson, that is...
-- cary
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/19/robertson.bush.iraq/
NEW YORK (CNN) -- The founder of the U.S. Christian Coalition said
Tuesday he told President George W. Bush before the invasion of Iraq
that he should prepare Americans for the likelihood of casualties, but
the president told him, "We're not going to have any casualties."
Pat Robertson, an ardent Bush supporter, said he had that conversation
with the president in Nashville, Tennessee, before the March 2003
invasion U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. He described Bush in the meeting as
"the most self-assured man I've ever met in my life."
"You remember Mark Twain said, 'He looks like a contented Christian with
four aces.' I mean he was just sitting there like, 'I'm on top of the
world,' " Robertson said on the CNN show, "Paula Zahn Now."
"And I warned him about this war. I had deep misgivings about this war,
deep misgivings. And I was trying to say, 'Mr. President, you had better
prepare the American people for casualties.' "
Robertson said the president then told him, "Oh, no, we're not going to
have any casualties."
The White House has made no reaction to Robertson's comments.
Robertson, the televangelist who sought the Republican presidential
nomination in 1988, said he wishes Bush would admit to mistakes made.
"I mean, the Lord told me it was going to be A, a disaster, and B,
messy," Robertson said. "I warned him about casualties."
More than 1,100 U.S. troops have died in Iraq and another 8,000 troops
have been wounded in the ongoing campaign, with the casualty toll
significantly increasing in the last six months as the insurgency there
has deepened.
Asked why Bush has refused to admit to mistakes on Iraq, Robertson said,
"I don't know this politics game. You know, you can never say you were
wrong because the opposition grabs onto it: 'See, he admitted he screwed
up.' "
Even as Robertson criticized Bush for downplaying the potential dangers
of the Iraq war, he heaped praise on Bush, saying he believes the
president will win the election and that "the blessing of heaven is on
Bush."
"Even if he stumbles and messes up -- and he's had his share of stumbles
and gaffes -- I just think God's blessing is on him," Robertson said.
As for Bush's Democratic rival, Sen. John Kerry, Robertson said, "I
don't think he's a leader. He's a ponderous debater, a good senator
probably."
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| User: "Raptor514" |
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| Title: Re: Bush predicted "we're not going to have any casualties"in Iraq |
20 Oct 2004 12:04:05 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:cl61le$bvt$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
If you believe Pat Robertson, that is...
-- cary
No casualties in Iraq?!
Wow, that would only make sense if you believed you had some all-powerful
deity on your side or something. Oh, wait. . .
Raptor514
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bush predicted "we're not going to have any casualties"in Iraq |
21 Oct 2004 01:34:10 AM |
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In article <9Uwdd.7094$gq2.1482@trnddc01>,
"Raptor514" <Raptor514@SPAMSUCKS.com> wrote:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:cl61le$bvt$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
If you believe Pat Robertson, that is...
-- cary
No casualties in Iraq?!
Wow, that would only make sense if you believed you had some all-powerful
deity on your side or something. Oh, wait. . .
What I don't understand is that the same god that Bush said told him to
go to war supposedly told Pat that the war would be a mess. What gives?
OTOH, I would say that the most likely explanation is that both of them
are just as full of *****.
Raptor514
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Bush predicted "we're not going to have any casualties"in Iraq |
21 Oct 2004 02:12:28 AM |
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"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote
What I don't understand is that the same god that Bush said
told him to go to war supposedly told Pat that the war
would be a mess. What gives?
Robertson has the benefit of postecy. That's the Christian "Gift"
for foretelling events after they happen.
And, please, don't act like you've never witnessed it yourself...
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| User: "johac" |
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22 Oct 2004 12:42:36 AM |
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In article <pcSdnQBgnIRHwurcRVn-1A@comcast.com>,
"JTEM" <jaytem@gaydar.co.uk> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote
What I don't understand is that the same god that Bush said
told him to go to war supposedly told Pat that the war
would be a mess. What gives?
Robertson has the benefit of postecy. That's the Christian "Gift"
for foretelling events after they happen.
And, please, don't act like you've never witnessed it yourself...
I 'knew' that you were going to say that.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Bush predicted "we're not going to have any casualties"in Iraq |
21 Oct 2004 05:09:40 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <9Uwdd.7094$gq2.1482@trnddc01>,
"Raptor514" <Raptor514@SPAMSUCKS.com> wrote:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:cl61le$bvt$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
If you believe Pat Robertson, that is...
-- cary
No casualties in Iraq?!
Wow, that would only make sense if you believed you had some all-powerful
deity on your side or something. Oh, wait. . .
What I don't understand is that the same god that Bush said told him to
go to war supposedly told Pat that the war would be a mess. What gives?
OTOH, I would say that the most likely explanation is that both of them
are just as full of *****.
If Bush told Robertson this, and believed it, and now
still doesn't get it, he was wrong, something is wrong with him.
Its like some dink, such as Duke, argues something,
has somebody point to a quote in the bible showing
him he's wrong, does a little name calling and a few
weeks later is back making the same debunked claim.
Incapable of learning.
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bush predicted "we're not going to have any casualties"in Iraq |
22 Oct 2004 12:41:28 AM |
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In article <41779808$0$173$811e409b@news.mylinuxisp.com>,
wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <9Uwdd.7094$gq2.1482@trnddc01>,
"Raptor514" <Raptor514@SPAMSUCKS.com> wrote:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:cl61le$bvt$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
If you believe Pat Robertson, that is...
-- cary
No casualties in Iraq?!
Wow, that would only make sense if you believed you had some all-powerful
deity on your side or something. Oh, wait. . .
What I don't understand is that the same god that Bush said told him to
go to war supposedly told Pat that the war would be a mess. What gives?
OTOH, I would say that the most likely explanation is that both of them
are just as full of *****.
If Bush told Robertson this, and believed it, and now
still doesn't get it, he was wrong, something is wrong with him.
Its like some dink, such as Duke, argues something,
has somebody point to a quote in the bible showing
him he's wrong, does a little name calling and a few
weeks later is back making the same debunked claim.
Incapable of learning.
Or when tired of having the same claim debunked over and over, he will
just say "Never mind." and make up a new one just as ridiculous. He will
not accept reality if it doesn't fit into his preconceived notion of how
he thinks that things should be.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "ShrikeBack" |
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| Title: Re: Bush predicted "we're not going to have any casualties"in Iraq |
21 Oct 2004 06:46:52 AM |
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(Cary Kittrell) wrote in message news:<cl61le$bvt$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>...
If you believe Pat Robertson, that is...
-- cary
And nobody does.
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| User: "August Pamplona" |
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20 Oct 2004 02:00:16 PM |
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In news:cl61le$bvt$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu,
Cary Kittrell <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> typed:
If you believe Pat Robertson, that is...
-- cary
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/19/robertson.bush.iraq/
[snip]
It's a sad day if Pat Robertson can be shown to have a firmer hold
on reality than the president of the United States.
August Pamplona
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Bush predicted "we're not going to have any casualties"in Iraq |
20 Oct 2004 02:34:15 PM |
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"August Pamplona" <cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote in news:2tnr43F2250i4U1
@uni-berlin.de:
In news:cl61le$bvt$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu,
Cary Kittrell <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> typed:
If you believe Pat Robertson, that is...
-- cary
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/19/robertson.bush.iraq/
[snip]
It's a sad day if Pat Robertson can be shown to have a firmer hold
on reality than the president of the United States.
Since when do Democrats give Pat Robertson any credit for any kind of
hold at all upon reality? Oh, of course, on the day that they can spin
something he says against the President.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "JTEM" |
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20 Oct 2004 04:19:32 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/19/robertson.bush.iraq/
[snip]
It's a sad day if Pat Robertson can be shown to have a firmer hold
on reality than the president of the United States.
Since when do Democrats give Pat Robertson any credit for any kind of
hold at all upon reality? Oh, of course, on the day that they can spin
something he says against the President.
Are you seriously suggesting that we'd have to place a 'Spin' on this to
make
it say something bad about Bush?
Please. Even by your standards you're being retarded.
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| User: "August Pamplona" |
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20 Oct 2004 02:51:17 PM |
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In news:Xns95889E6528F6Efstone69@207.69.189.191,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> typed:
"August Pamplona" <cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2tnr43F2250i4U1 @uni-berlin.de:
In news:cl61le$bvt$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu,
Cary Kittrell <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> typed:
If you believe Pat Robertson, that is...
-- cary
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/19/robertson.bush.iraq/
[snip]
It's a sad day if Pat Robertson can be shown to have a firmer
hold on reality than the president of the United States.
Since when do Democrats give Pat Robertson any credit for any kind of
hold at all upon reality? Oh, of course, on the day that they can spin
something he says against the President.
Your reading comprehension is truly astonishingly bad.
August Pamplona
P.S. Note the use of the conditional. Note the comparative construction.
Oh, why the ***** do I even bother!
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- omegazero2003 on m.f.w.
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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24 Oct 2004 02:02:30 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:34:15 -0500, Fred Stone wrote
(in message <Xns95889E6528F6Efstone69@207.69.189.191>):
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
Vote Republican!
Bush is more qualified than Cthulhu.
Gray Shockley
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The Elder Gods are /quite/ irritated.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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20 Oct 2004 02:44:09 PM |
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In article <Xns95889E6528F6Efstone69‡.69.189.191> Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> writes:
"August Pamplona" <cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote in news:2tnr43F2250i4U1
@uni-berlin.de:
In news:cl61le$bvt$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu,
Cary Kittrell <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> typed:
If you believe Pat Robertson, that is...
-- cary
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/19/robertson.bush.iraq/
[snip]
It's a sad day if Pat Robertson can be shown to have a firmer hold
on reality than the president of the United States.
Since when do Democrats give Pat Robertson any credit for any kind of
hold at all upon reality?
Hence my disclaimer: see above.
Oh, of course, on the day that they can spin
something he says against the President.
Spin? I don't think there's a whole lot of spin necessary here.
-- cary
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