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21 Oct 2004 08:34:04 AM |
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Bush predicted zero casualties in Iraq |
Bush to evangelist: No casualties in Iraq
WASHINGTON -- October 20-- Despite words of caution from the founder
of the Christian Coalition prior to the war in Iraq, President Bush
insisted that America would not suffer war related causalities. Now,
with more than 1,100 U.S. troops dead and another 8,000 troops
wounded, Bush claims he expected this level of violence all along.
On Feb. 8, NBC’s Meet The Press Host Tim Russert asked President Bush:
"Are you surprised by the level and intensity of resistance?" Bush
replied, "No. I'm not." But according to Christian Coalition founder
Pat Robertson, there is no way that could be true.
Appearing yesterday on CNN, Robertson said that just before the war he
"warned [Bush] about this war...I was trying to say, 'Mr. President,
you had better prepare the American people for casualties.'" Bush then
told Robertson, "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties."
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| User: "Dave Christian" |
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| Title: Re: Bush predicted zero casualties in Iraq |
21 Oct 2004 09:37:32 PM |
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George W. Bush is a brain dead dumb *****.
Worst president ever. Dumbest one too.
In article <4lefn05h7r1iepr619culhf6r4ed5pfk5k@4ax.com>,
says...
Bush to evangelist: No casualties in Iraq
WASHINGTON -- October 20-- Despite words of caution from the founder
of the Christian Coalition prior to the war in Iraq, President Bush
insisted that America would not suffer war related causalities. Now,
with more than 1,100 U.S. troops dead and another 8,000 troops
wounded, Bush claims he expected this level of violence all along.
On Feb. 8, NBC?s Meet The Press Host Tim Russert asked President Bush:
"Are you surprised by the level and intensity of resistance?" Bush
replied, "No. I'm not." But according to Christian Coalition founder
Pat Robertson, there is no way that could be true.
Appearing yesterday on CNN, Robertson said that just before the war he
"warned [Bush] about this war...I was trying to say, 'Mr. President,
you had better prepare the American people for casualties.'" Bush then
told Robertson, "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties."
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| User: "D.F. Manno" |
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| Title: Re: Bush predicted zero casualties in Iraq |
21 Oct 2004 10:02:17 PM |
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In article <MPG.1be23c7a7cb9c52798981e@news-server.cfl.rr.com>,
Dave Christian <dcnews@nc.rr.com> wrote:
George W. Bush is a brain dead dumb *****.
Worst president ever.
I wouldn't go that far. Richard Nixon, that evil, corrupt psycho-puppy,
has that title locked up.
Dumbest one too.
I won't argue with you there.
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D.F. Manno
dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com
The average man doesn't want to be free. He simply wants to be safe.
(H.L. Mencken)
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| User: "Truth" |
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21 Oct 2004 06:19:25 PM |
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He also said they had WMD.
He also said that Saddam had dozens of body doubles.
He also said that he would never have a military draft.
ALL LIES.
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| User: "Peter Vos" |
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21 Oct 2004 07:09:04 PM |
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Truth <yenc@sucks.com> wrote in news:41784417.994D63D3@sucks.com:
He also said they had WMD.
He also said that Saddam had dozens of body doubles.
Actually that is a good point... what happened to the body doubles?
I remember they also said they had sharks in the palaces, swimming under
the glass floors like something out of a James Bond movie.....
where are the sharks?
Oh speaking of WMD.. which he did A LOT......
"He's got weapons of mass destruction."
-- Bush, Oct. 28,2002 speech in New Mexico
"It's a person who claims he has no weapons of mass destruction
.... but he's got them."
-- Bush, Oct. 28, 2002 speech in Colorado
"He's got them... We know he's got chemical weapons, probably has
biological weapons."
-- Bush, Nov. 1, 2002 speech in New Hampshire
"He's a man who has said he wouldn't have weapons of mass destruction,
but he's got them... Not only does he have weapons of mass destruction,
but, incredibly enough, he has used weapons of mass destruction."
-- Bush, Nov. 2, 2002 speech in Georgia
"He's a man who has told the world he wouldn't have weapons of mass
destruction, yet he does."
-- Bush, Nov. 2, 2002 speech in Florida
"He's got them... We know that this is a man who has chemical weapons,
and we know he's used them."
-- Bush, Nov. 2, 2002 speech in Tennessee
"He has weapons of mass destruction."
-- Bush, Nov. 7, 2002 speech at Southern Methodist University
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves NO DOUBT
[emph. added] that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some
of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
-- Bush, March 17, 2003 National Address
"We found the weapons of mass destruction."
-- Bush, May 30, 2003 on Polish TV
"I wasn't happy when we found out there wasn't weapons."
-- Bush, Second Presidential Debate
He also said that he would never have a military draft.
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"I take personal responsibility for everything I say, of course.
ABSOLUTELY.[emph. added] I also take responsibility for
making decisions on war and peace."
-- George Bush, July 30, 2003 White House Press Conference
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| User: "Justice Cow" |
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22 Oct 2004 12:20:40 PM |
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In article <Xns9589CD5527CF2bti@216.196.97.131>,
Peter Vos <pvos58@yahoo.com> wrote:
Truth <yenc@sucks.com> wrote in news:41784417.994D63D3@sucks.com:
He also said they had WMD.
He also said that Saddam had dozens of body doubles.
Actually that is a good point... what happened to the body doubles?
I figure we've got at least one of them in a jail cell. saddam is
shusshing down the slopes of switzerland.
I remember they also said they had sharks in the palaces, swimming under
the glass floors like something out of a James Bond movie.....
where are the sharks?
shark steaks.
--
http://tinyurl.com/6t6c3
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| User: "HubCity" |
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22 Oct 2004 01:45:55 PM |
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Justice Cow <justicecow@hotmail.cow> wrote in
news:justicecow-58BF40.13204022102004@news.central.cox.net:
In article <Xns9589CD5527CF2bti@216.196.97.131>,
Peter Vos <pvos58@yahoo.com> wrote:
I remember they also said they had sharks in the palaces, swimming
under the glass floors like something out of a James Bond movie.....
where are the sharks?
shark steaks.
They zapped themselves with their frickin' laser beams.
-HubCity
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| User: "Michael Marxist Moore" |
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| Title: LIBERAL PROPAGANDA ==> Bush predicted zero casualties in Iraq |
21 Oct 2004 09:53:36 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:34:04 -0500, reeder <reeder@0.sp.net> wrote:
Bush to evangelist: No casualties in Iraq
WASHINGTON -- October 20-- Despite words of caution from the founder
of the Christian Coalition prior to the war in Iraq, President Bush
insisted that America would not suffer war related causalities. Now,
with more than 1,100 U.S. troops dead and another 8,000 troops
wounded, Bush claims he expected this level of violence all along.
On Feb. 8, NBC’s Meet The Press Host Tim Russert asked President Bush:
"Are you surprised by the level and intensity of resistance?" Bush
replied, "No. I'm not." But according to Christian Coalition founder
Pat Robertson, there is no way that could be true.
Appearing yesterday on CNN, Robertson said that just before the war he
"warned [Bush] about this war...I was trying to say, 'Mr. President,
you had better prepare the American people for casualties.'" Bush then
told Robertson, "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties."
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| User: "Jebus Loves You" |
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21 Oct 2004 11:01:10 AM |
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"Michael Marxist Moore" <mmmoore@N0TSPAM.0RG> wrote in message
news:cbjfn09b0rcfn2a1pti1k9h8s5c5ulr00c@4ax.com...
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:34:04 -0500, reeder <reeder@0.sp.net> wrote:
Bush to evangelist: No casualties in Iraq
WASHINGTON -- October 20-- Despite words of caution from the founder
of the Christian Coalition prior to the war in Iraq, President Bush
insisted that America would not suffer war related causalities. Now,
with more than 1,100 U.S. troops dead and another 8,000 troops
wounded, Bush claims he expected this level of violence all along.
On Feb. 8, NBC's Meet The Press Host Tim Russert asked President Bush:
"Are you surprised by the level and intensity of resistance?" Bush
replied, "No. I'm not." But according to Christian Coalition founder
Pat Robertson, there is no way that could be true.
Appearing yesterday on CNN, Robertson said that just before the war he
"warned [Bush] about this war...I was trying to say, 'Mr. President,
you had better prepare the American people for casualties.'" Bush then
told Robertson, "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties."
Yeah, that Pat Robertson is a liberal whackjob....... oh wait! No, he's a
religious right whackjob!
Bush to Robertson "Jesus tells me there will be no american casualties in
Iraq, Jesus told me to attack"
You dumb sons of bitches! Liberals are wrong on most issues but they are
spot on when it comes to George W Bush. Bush is a criminal lying traitor
cokeheaded AWOL Chickenhawk Drunk Driver. These are called facts, all the
***** on Kerry is propaganda, or LIES. Vote for Kerry so the rest of the
world can think that Americans aren't as dumb as the polls show us to be.
After how Bush has destroyed this country, if 5 people vote for him, they
should be shot for being stupid.
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| User: "Truth" |
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21 Oct 2004 06:23:01 PM |
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Yeah, that Pat Robertson is a liberal whackjob....... oh wait! No, he's a
religious right whackjob!
Bush to Robertson "Jesus tells me there will be no american casualties in
Iraq, Jesus told me to attack"
You dumb sons of bitches! Liberals are wrong on most issues but they are
spot on when it comes to George W Bush. Bush is a criminal lying traitor
cokeheaded AWOL Chickenhawk Drunk Driver. These are called facts, all the
***** on Kerry is propaganda, or LIES. Vote for Kerry so the rest of the
world can think that Americans aren't as dumb as the polls show us to be.
When people wanted to get rid of Bush the first time, they could vote for a
Democrat, Clinton.
Now that Kerry is a Bush wannabe and is for guns, hunting, patriot acts, war,
no child left behind, and everything Bush is for, people figure, well, since
there is no democrat and only two Republicans, one is never much higher in
popularity than the other.
If Clinton could enter this race right now, he would win by a landslide.
Hell, if Hitler entered the race right now, against Bush/Kerry, he would win
by a landslide too.
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| User: "dgk" |
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22 Oct 2004 08:12:07 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:23:01 GMT, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> wrote:
Yeah, that Pat Robertson is a liberal whackjob....... oh wait! No, he's a
religious right whackjob!
Bush to Robertson "Jesus tells me there will be no american casualties in
Iraq, Jesus told me to attack"
You dumb sons of bitches! Liberals are wrong on most issues but they are
spot on when it comes to George W Bush. Bush is a criminal lying traitor
cokeheaded AWOL Chickenhawk Drunk Driver. These are called facts, all the
***** on Kerry is propaganda, or LIES. Vote for Kerry so the rest of the
world can think that Americans aren't as dumb as the polls show us to be.
When people wanted to get rid of Bush the first time, they could vote for a
Democrat, Clinton.
Now that Kerry is a Bush wannabe and is for guns, hunting, patriot acts, war,
no child left behind, and everything Bush is for, people figure, well, since
there is no democrat and only two Republicans, one is never much higher in
popularity than the other.
If Clinton could enter this race right now, he would win by a landslide.
Hell, if Hitler entered the race right now, against Bush/Kerry, he would win
by a landslide too.
That's really funny. Clinton was a middle of the road to conservative
Democrat. You claim that Kerry isn't liberal enough but use Clinton as
an example? Maybe Nader, he fills your bill. But not Bill.
The very first anti-Iraq war protest that I went to, in Central Park,
featured Tim Robbins. He said something that was right on the money,
and that was that we do face really insane people who really do hate
us because they are religious fundamentalists who want us to embrace
their sick version of religion, and we should not lose sight of that.
He then went on to say that our impending invasion of Iraq had nothing
to do with those people and in fact would make them far stronger. He
could not have been more right.
I live in New York City and am well aware that there is nothing that
Bin Laden would like to do than set off a Nuke in midtown. I am also
aware that our invasion of Iraq has made that more likely.
We like to paint Bush as seeing the world only in black and white.
Don't fall into the same trap. Fixing all the ills of the world that
really have been caused by global capitalism will not change the fact
that fundamentalists will still hate us.
There are elements of the Patriot Act (I do love how Republicans name
their bills) that make sense in light of the need to protect us from
insane people. There are also many parts that can be used to create a
form of facism that we may never be able to defeat. Don't make the
mistake of thinking that Bush and Kerry are on the same team here and
that there is no difference. There is a very big difference. It could
be the last time we get the chance to choose.
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| User: "* US *" |
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22 Oct 2004 06:33:05 AM |
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The Bush ghouls said they'd be greeted with flowers in Iraq, too, the liars.
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:23:01 GMT, Liar <yenc@sucks.com> wrote:
... Kerry is a Bush wannabe ...
No, he's not.
Bush is serving the profiteers, but Kerry isn't.
Kerry is vastly superior to Bush:
(1) Tortured/killed for fun Kerry: No Bush: Yes
(2) Failed to get into law school Kerry: No Bush: Yes
(3) Drug Abuse Conviction Kerry: No Bush: Yes
(4) Failed to serve in Vietnam Kerry: No Bush: Yes
(5) Failed to object to Vietnam Kerry: No Bush: Yes
(6) Commendations for Racists Kerry: No Bush: Yes
(7) Nazi Affiliations Kerry: No Bush: Yes
(8) OBL Affiliations Kerry: No Bush: Yes
(9) PNAC Affiliations Kerry: No Bush: Yes
(10) Carlyle Group Affiliations Kerry: No Bush: Yes
(11) Lied To Start Invasions Kerry: No Bush: Yes
(12) Obeys Ken Lay Kerry: No Bush: Yes
(13) Believes spy Chalabi Kerry: No Bush: Yes
(14) Exposes US CIA agents Kerry: No Bush: Yes
There are many more, and they're also significant, as has
been noted already elsewhere.
There's also the way Kerry busted the terrorists'/Bush's
favorite bank:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0409.sirota.html
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| User: "HubCity" |
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| Title: (NBC) Pat Robertson Is A Liberal? Re: LIBERAL PROPAGANDA ==> Bush predicted zero casualties in Iraq |
21 Oct 2004 12:18:37 PM |
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Michael Marxist Moore <mmmoore@N0TSPAM.0RG> wrote in
news:cbjfn09b0rcfn2a1pti1k9h8s5c5ulr00c@4ax.com:
[nothing. But...]
In the subject line, Pat Robertson's rather damaging anecdote about the
President was reposted and called "liberal propaganda".
Heaven knows Pat Robertson's liberal credentials are impeccable...
-HubCity
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| User: "veteran" |
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| Title: Re: (NBC) Pat Robertson Is A Liberal? Re: LIBERAL PROPAGANDA ==> Bush predicted zero casualties in Iraq |
21 Oct 2004 01:11:38 PM |
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In article <Xns95898791CB113hubcityspokerepair@204.127.36.1>,
HubCity <uhopvgl@rkvg109.pbz> wrote:
Heaven knows Pat Robertson's liberal credentials are impeccable...
no, that's Hell.
"Some say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one." John
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| User: "HubCity" |
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21 Oct 2004 01:42:17 PM |
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veteran <georgew.k@humboldt1.com> wrote in news:georgew.k-
23A9CD.11113821102004@corp.supernews.com:
In article <Xns95898791CB113hubcityspokerepair@204.127.36.1>,
HubCity <uhopvgl@rkvg109.pbz> wrote:
Heaven knows Pat Robertson's liberal credentials are impeccable...
no, that's Hell.
Whatever. Basically, God's telling Pat and George two different things,
apparently. (A comparison has been drawn with the biblical story of the
downfall of Saul, interestingly enough.)
-HubCity
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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21 Oct 2004 02:31:01 PM |
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HubCity <uhopvgl@rkvg109.pbz> writes:
veteran <georgew.k@humboldt1.com> wrote in news:georgew.k-
23A9CD.11113821102004@corp.supernews.com:
In article <Xns95898791CB113hubcityspokerepair@204.127.36.1>,
HubCity <uhopvgl@rkvg109.pbz> wrote:
Heaven knows Pat Robertson's liberal credentials are impeccable...
no, that's Hell.
Whatever. Basically, God's telling Pat and George two different things,
apparently.
That Loki - such a kidder.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "HubCity" |
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21 Oct 2004 02:43:43 PM |
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Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote in news:41780e75$0$1329$a1866201
@newsreader.visi.com:
HubCity <uhopvgl@rkvg109.pbz> writes:
veteran <georgew.k@humboldt1.com> wrote in news:georgew.k-
23A9CD.11113821102004@corp.supernews.com:
In article <Xns95898791CB113hubcityspokerepair@204.127.36.1>,
HubCity <uhopvgl@rkvg109.pbz> wrote:
Heaven knows Pat Robertson's liberal credentials are impeccable...
no, that's Hell.
Whatever. Basically, God's telling Pat and George two different things,
apparently.
That Loki - such a kidder.
You ain't kidding - if it *was* Loki telling Bush "no casualties", it's a
doozy. If he was telling Robertson "prepare for casualties", he's off his
game.
-HubCity
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21 Oct 2004 01:47:51 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:42:17 GMT, HubCity <uhopvgl@rkvg109.pbz> puked:
veteran <georgew.k@humboldt1.com> wrote in news:georgew.k-
23A9CD.11113821102004@corp.supernews.com:
In article <Xns95898791CB113hubcityspokerepair@204.127.36.1>,
HubCity <uhopvgl@rkvg109.pbz> wrote:
Heaven knows Pat Robertson's liberal credentials are impeccable...
no, that's Hell.
Whatever. Basically, God's telling Pat and George two different things,
apparently. (A comparison has been drawn with the biblical story of the
downfall of Saul, interestingly enough.)
God told me religion is all *****. My god happens to pop in on me
after a few drinks and tell me all kinds of cool stuff like that...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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| User: "Jebus Loves You" |
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| Title: Re: (NBC) Pat Robertson Is A Liberal? Re: LIBERAL PROPAGANDA ==> Bush predicted zero casualties in Iraq |
21 Oct 2004 02:46:04 PM |
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"lab~rat" <chase@cheese.net> wrote in message
news:460gn0htnajq7qpn1hct3472nsidoss4ci@4ax.com...
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:42:17 GMT, HubCity <uhopvgl@rkvg109.pbz> puked:
veteran <georgew.k@humboldt1.com> wrote in news:georgew.k-
23A9CD.11113821102004@corp.supernews.com:
In article <Xns95898791CB113hubcityspokerepair@204.127.36.1>,
HubCity <uhopvgl@rkvg109.pbz> wrote:
Heaven knows Pat Robertson's liberal credentials are impeccable...
no, that's Hell.
Whatever. Basically, God's telling Pat and George two different things,
apparently. (A comparison has been drawn with the biblical story of the
downfall of Saul, interestingly enough.)
God told me religion is all *****. My god happens to pop in on me
after a few drinks and tell me all kinds of cool stuff like that...
My God told me that Vodka kicks ***** when mixed with Diet Rite and Lemon
Juice. He also said that he hates Florida and all it's occupants for letting
that Stupid criminal Drunk Driving Cokeheaded AWOL Coward Chickenhawk *****
Moron into office. He said if the Hurricanes didn't wake them up that he was
going to give all of them Anal Herpes
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| User: "lab~rat" |
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22 Oct 2004 07:06:56 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:46:04 GMT, "Jebus Loves You"
<Nospam@GeorgeBushJrsDUIS.com> puked:
"lab~rat" <chase@cheese.net> wrote in message
news:460gn0htnajq7qpn1hct3472nsidoss4ci@4ax.com...
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:42:17 GMT, HubCity <uhopvgl@rkvg109.pbz> puked:
veteran <georgew.k@humboldt1.com> wrote in news:georgew.k-
23A9CD.11113821102004@corp.supernews.com:
In article <Xns95898791CB113hubcityspokerepair@204.127.36.1>,
HubCity <uhopvgl@rkvg109.pbz> wrote:
Heaven knows Pat Robertson's liberal credentials are impeccable...
no, that's Hell.
Whatever. Basically, God's telling Pat and George two different things,
apparently. (A comparison has been drawn with the biblical story of the
downfall of Saul, interestingly enough.)
God told me religion is all *****. My god happens to pop in on me
after a few drinks and tell me all kinds of cool stuff like that...
My God told me that Vodka kicks ***** when mixed with Diet Rite and Lemon
Juice. He also said that he hates Florida and all it's occupants for letting
that Stupid criminal Drunk Driving Cokeheaded AWOL Coward Chickenhawk *****
Moron into office. He said if the Hurricanes didn't wake them up that he was
going to give all of them Anal Herpes
So your god doesn't have a sense of humor? I mean, damn, look at all
the dead ragheads and such...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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| User: "Jebus Loves You" |
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23 Oct 2004 06:10:06 PM |
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"lab~rat" <chase@cheese.net> wrote in message
news:b45gn0tbgdj6rlavohh5c7a8g2au8a0i7t@4ax.com...
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:46:04 GMT, "Jebus Loves You"
<Nospam@GeorgeBushJrsDUIS.com> puked:
"lab~rat" <chase@cheese.net> wrote in message
news:460gn0htnajq7qpn1hct3472nsidoss4ci@4ax.com...
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:42:17 GMT, HubCity <uhopvgl@rkvg109.pbz> puked:
veteran <georgew.k@humboldt1.com> wrote in news:georgew.k-
23A9CD.11113821102004@corp.supernews.com:
In article <Xns95898791CB113hubcityspokerepair@204.127.36.1>,
HubCity <uhopvgl@rkvg109.pbz> wrote:
Heaven knows Pat Robertson's liberal credentials are impeccable...
no, that's Hell.
Whatever. Basically, God's telling Pat and George two different
things,
apparently. (A comparison has been drawn with the biblical story of
the
downfall of Saul, interestingly enough.)
God told me religion is all *****. My god happens to pop in on me
after a few drinks and tell me all kinds of cool stuff like that...
My God told me that Vodka kicks ***** when mixed with Diet Rite and Lemon
Juice. He also said that he hates Florida and all it's occupants for
letting
that Stupid criminal Drunk Driving Cokeheaded AWOL Coward Chickenhawk
*****
Moron into office. He said if the Hurricanes didn't wake them up that he
was
going to give all of them Anal Herpes
So your god doesn't have a sense of humor? I mean, damn, look at all
the dead ragheads and such...
God made gawking freaks for Howard Stern to exploit. Of course my god has a
sense of humor but he also has a smashing fashion sense.
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22 Oct 2004 08:23:22 AM |
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Friday, October 22, 2004
For Bush the believer, facts are for girlie men
Harold Meyerson
"I have no outside advice" in the war on terrorism, President Bush
told Bob Woodward in December 2001. In an interview that Woodward
revealed to Nicholas Lemann in last week's issue of the New Yorker,
Bush insisted that "anybody who says they're an outside adviser of
this administration on this particular matter is not telling the
truth. First of all, in the initial phase of the war, I never left the
compound. Nor did anybody come in the compound. I was, you talk about
one guy in a bubble."
Indeed. By every available indication, George W. Bush's is the most
inside-the-bubble presidency in modern American history. It's not just
that his campaign operatives exclude all but the true believers from
his rallies, or that Bush, by the evidence of his debate performances,
has grown utterly unaccustomed to criticism.
With each passing day, we learn that once Bush has decided on a course
of action, he will not be swayed by mere intelligence estimates,
military appraisals or facts on the ground. We already knew that when
Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric Shinseki told Congress during the run-up
to the war that occupying Iraq would require hundreds of thousands of
troops, he sealed his ticket to an early retirement. We've recently
learned that Paul Bremer had told the president we needed more troops
to secure postwar Iraq and the safety of our troops already there, and
that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez had pleaded for more armored vehicles to
better shield our soldiers.
But these and other such assessments and pleas ran counter to the idea
of the war that Bush, Vice President Cheney and Defense Secretary
Donald Rumsfeld had lodged in their heads. This would be our lightning
war, and after Saddam Hussein was deposed, resistance would cease and
U.S. forces could pack up and go home. A report in Tuesday's New York
Times documents a Defense Department plan to shrink the number of U.S.
forces in Iraq by 50,000 within 90 days of the taking of Baghdad.
There were estimates aplenty from the State Department, the CIA and
the Army suggesting that we'd need more forces for the occupation than
for the war, but they were all blithely ignored.
It wasn't as if the administration couldn't calculate the number of
troops it would need to secure Iraq. If troops were required at the
same ratio that they were deployed in Kosovo, then 480,000 troops
would be needed in Iraq, according to James Dobbins, who'd served as
the Bush administration's special envoy for Afghanistan and who was a
former ambassador at large to Kosovo, Bosnia, Haiti and Somalia. If we
wanted to deploy troops at the same ratio we had in Bosnia, we would
have needed 364,000 soldiers patrolling Iraq.
However, Dobbins told the Times, the administration "preferred to find
a model for nation building that was not associated with the previous
administration." But the Clinton administration and its allies did not
deploy troops in the former Yugoslavia for the sheer fun of it. They
calculated the number of forces required to keep the ethnic and
political hatreds that suffused the area from erupting into violence,
and assigned forces accordingly.
Every remotely sober assessment of Iraq after Saddam Hussein turned up
a picture with disquieting resemblances to Yugoslavia - a melange of
separate peoples united only by force, with scant indigenous
traditions of democracy and pluralism. But large-scale deployment of
forces was nation-building in the mode of Bill Clinton, and thus to be
shunned. It was empiricism in the manner of Clinton - or perhaps just
empiricism itself was indictment enough - and thus to be shunned.
Generals, though, shun empiricism at their own peril - and their
troops'. The Times reports that Gen. Tommy Franks, the commander of
coalition forces, requested right after the fall of Baghdad that the
army's First Cavalry Division be sent to Iraq to bolster our forces
there, but that his request was denied. "Rumsfeld just ground Franks
down," said Thomas White, then-secretary of the Army.
In the debates, Bush insisted that he'd never turned down a request
from his military commanders in Iraq. His denial didn't extend to
Rumsfeld, and now we know why.
With the presidential race coming down to its final two weeks, the
Bush campaign has all but made a virtue of the bubble in which Bush
resides and presides. This presidency is a triumph of the will, of
resolve. Facts are for flip-floppers; data, for girlie-men. Kerry
commands the facts and it breeds vacillation. The force is with Bush,
and that is all he, and the nation, need. Bush has fused
anti-empiricism and cultural resentment - and that, should he ride it
to victory, will truly be a catastrophic success.
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| User: "D.F. Manno" |
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| Title: Re: (NBC) Pat Robertson Is A Liberal? Re: LIBERAL PROPAGANDA ==> Bush predicted zero casualties in Iraq |
21 Oct 2004 05:08:18 PM |
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In article <460gn0htnajq7qpn1hct3472nsidoss4ci@4ax.com>,
lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote:
God told me religion is all *****. My god happens to pop in on me
after a few drinks and tell me all kinds of cool stuff like that...
I think I met your god several times in college.
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D.F. Manno
dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com
The average man doesn't want to be free. He simply wants to be safe.
(H.L. Mencken)
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| User: "Roger Andrews" |
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| Title: Re: LIBERAL PROPAGANDA ==> Bush predicted zero casualties in Iraq |
21 Oct 2004 03:51:34 PM |
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Michael Marxist Moore <mmmoore@N0TSPAM.0RG> wrote in message news:<cbjfn09b0rcfn2a1pti1k9h8s5c5ulr00c@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:34:04 -0500, reeder <reeder@0.sp.net> wrote:
Bush to evangelist: No casualties in Iraq
WASHINGTON -- October 20-- Despite words of caution from the founder
of the Christian Coalition prior to the war in Iraq, President Bush
insisted that America would not suffer war related causalities. Now,
with more than 1,100 U.S. troops dead and another 8,000 troops
wounded, Bush claims he expected this level of violence all along.
On Feb. 8, NBC?s Meet The Press Host Tim Russert asked President Bush:
"Are you surprised by the level and intensity of resistance?" Bush
replied, "No. I'm not." But according to Christian Coalition founder
Pat Robertson, there is no way that could be true.
Appearing yesterday on CNN, Robertson said that just before the war he
"warned [Bush] about this war...I was trying to say, 'Mr. President,
you had better prepare the American people for casualties.'" Bush then
told Robertson, "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties."
Pat Robertson is a Liberal?? I wonder if he know that.
Roger
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| User: "Thunder7" |
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| Title: Re: LIBERAL PROPAGANDA ==> Bush predicted zero casualties in Iraq |
21 Oct 2004 02:14:26 PM |
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So Pat Robinson is now a liberal! LOL! You neocons would make me laugh
if you were not so dangerous.
Michael Marxist Moore <mmmoore@N0TSPAM.0RG> wrote in message news:<cbjfn09b0rcfn2a1pti1k9h8s5c5ulr00c@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:34:04 -0500, reeder <reeder@0.sp.net> wrote:
Bush to evangelist: No casualties in Iraq
WASHINGTON -- October 20-- Despite words of caution from the founder
of the Christian Coalition prior to the war in Iraq, President Bush
insisted that America would not suffer war related causalities. Now,
with more than 1,100 U.S. troops dead and another 8,000 troops
wounded, Bush claims he expected this level of violence all along.
On Feb. 8, NBC?s Meet The Press Host Tim Russert asked President Bush:
"Are you surprised by the level and intensity of resistance?" Bush
replied, "No. I'm not." But according to Christian Coalition founder
Pat Robertson, there is no way that could be true.
Appearing yesterday on CNN, Robertson said that just before the war he
"warned [Bush] about this war...I was trying to say, 'Mr. President,
you had better prepare the American people for casualties.'" Bush then
told Robertson, "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties."
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| User: "dgk" |
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21 Oct 2004 12:56:30 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:34:04 -0500, reeder <reeder@0.sp.net> wrote:
Bush to evangelist: No casualties in Iraq
WASHINGTON -- October 20-- Despite words of caution from the founder
of the Christian Coalition prior to the war in Iraq, President Bush
insisted that America would not suffer war related causalities. Now,
with more than 1,100 U.S. troops dead and another 8,000 troops
wounded, Bush claims he expected this level of violence all along.
On Feb. 8, NBC’s Meet The Press Host Tim Russert asked President Bush:
"Are you surprised by the level and intensity of resistance?" Bush
replied, "No. I'm not." But according to Christian Coalition founder
Pat Robertson, there is no way that could be true.
Appearing yesterday on CNN, Robertson said that just before the war he
"warned [Bush] about this war...I was trying to say, 'Mr. President,
you had better prepare the American people for casualties.'" Bush then
told Robertson, "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties."
Yes, apparently God had spoken to Mr. Robertson to warn him about the
casualties. It isn't clear whether God was in favor or opposed.
I don't need Pat Robertson to know that Bush is a lying *****.
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| User: "Danzig" |
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| Title: Re: Bush predicted zero casualties in Iraq |
21 Oct 2004 01:34:07 PM |
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reeder wrote:
Bush to evangelist: No casualties in Iraq
WASHINGTON -- October 20-- Despite words of caution from the founder
of the Christian Coalition prior to the war in Iraq, President Bush
insisted that America would not suffer war related causalities. Now,
with more than 1,100 U.S. troops dead and another 8,000 troops
wounded, Bush claims he expected this level of violence all along.
On Feb. 8, NBC’s Meet The Press Host Tim Russert asked President Bush:
"Are you surprised by the level and intensity of resistance?" Bush
replied, "No. I'm not." But according to Christian Coalition founder
Pat Robertson, there is no way that could be true.
Appearing yesterday on CNN, Robertson said that just before the war he
"warned [Bush] about this war...I was trying to say, 'Mr. President,
you had better prepare the American people for casualties.'" Bush then
told Robertson, "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties."
Dubyah. like most of his errors, claims he NEVER said this now.
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: Bush predicted zero casualties in Iraq |
21 Oct 2004 02:31:48 PM |
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reeder wrote:
Bush to evangelist: No casualties in Iraq
WASHINGTON -- October 20-- Despite words of caution from the founder
of the Christian Coalition prior to the war in Iraq, President Bush
insisted that America would not suffer war related causalities. Now,
with more than 1,100 U.S. troops dead and another 8,000 troops
wounded, Bush claims he expected this level of violence all along.
On Feb. 8, NBC’s Meet The Press Host Tim Russert asked President Bush:
"Are you surprised by the level and intensity of resistance?" Bush
replied, "No. I'm not." But according to Christian Coalition founder
Pat Robertson, there is no way that could be true.
Appearing yesterday on CNN, Robertson said that just before the war he
"warned [Bush] about this war...I was trying to say, 'Mr. President,
you had better prepare the American people for casualties.'" Bush then
told Robertson, "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties."
Bush probably thinks there haven't been any casualties.
I mean they're just soldiers right ?
Not multi-millionaires like Bush, so they don't count.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
Useless at :
NFS Porsche Unleashed, Hot Pursuit 2, Underground.
And Enemy Territory.
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