Religions > Atheism > BUSH VOWS to CONTINUE to TORTURE MORE INNOCENT PEOPLE (no WMDs yet)
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09 Oct 2005 05:06:58 PM |
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BUSH VOWS to CONTINUE to TORTURE MORE INNOCENT PEOPLE (no WMDs yet) |
Robin Hood Zoro wrote:
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:52:04 -0400, UNITED CORPORATIONS of AMERIKKKA
<DIE_FOR_OIL@WMD_LIES.org> wrote:
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Bush White House declares torture vital to US security policy
In an extraordinary declaration of the brutality of American foreign
policy, the Bush administration denounced a Senate vote to bar the
use of torture against prisoners held by the US military.
http://www.asiantribune.com/show_article.php?id=2751
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Comments from Editor at whatreallyhappened.com:
Yet in two years of torturing Iraqis not a single weapon of mass
destruction was found. Now we know there never were any Iraqi WMDs,
meaning that the US has been torturing innocent people, sometimes to
death, for information they could not possibly have had.
So imagine you have been grabbed by an invader and they are
torturing your kids and forcing you to watch, and asking you where
are the nuclear weapons, and you KNOW FOR A FACT there are none, but
the torturers won't listen to you because they don't want to believe
they are torturing innocent people, so they come up with all sorts
of wild theories why you MUST know where the nuclear weapons are and
are some kind of savage barbarian because you are willing to let
your own children be tortured to death rather than give up the
information they "know" you have.
You imagine being in that place for a while, then take another look
at Bush's insistence that the war has nothing to do with why the
Iraqi people hate the US Government.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: BUSH VOWS to CONTINUE to TORTURE MORE INNOCENT PEOPLE (no WMDs yet) |
09 Oct 2005 05:44:16 PM |
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"Frank F. Matthews" <frankfmatthews@houston.rr.com> wrote in
news:6wg2f.11545$0c.9201@tornado.texas.rr.com:
Robin Hood Zoro wrote:
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:52:04 -0400, UNITED CORPORATIONS of AMERIKKKA
<DIE_FOR_OIL@WMD_LIES.org> wrote:
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Bush White House declares torture vital to US security policy
In an extraordinary declaration of the brutality of American foreign
policy, the Bush administration denounced a Senate vote to bar the
use of torture against prisoners held by the US military.
http://www.asiantribune.com/show_article.php?id=2751
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Comments from Editor at whatreallyhappened.com:
Yet in two years of torturing Iraqis not a single weapon of mass
destruction was found. Now we know there never were any Iraqi WMDs,
meaning that the US has been torturing innocent people, sometimes to
death, for information they could not possibly have had.
So imagine you have been grabbed by an invader and they are
torturing your kids and forcing you to watch, and asking you where
are the nuclear weapons, and you KNOW FOR A FACT there are none, but
the torturers won't listen to you because they don't want to believe
they are torturing innocent people, so they come up with all sorts
of wild theories why you MUST know where the nuclear weapons are and
are some kind of savage barbarian because you are willing to let
your own children be tortured to death rather than give up the
information they "know" you have.
You imagine being in that place for a while, then take another look
at Bush's insistence that the war has nothing to do with why the
Iraqi people hate the US Government.
Which Iraqi people?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Well, certainly the president can claim executive privilege.
But in this case, I think with a lifetime appointment to the
Supreme Court, you can't play, you know, hide the salami,
or whatever it's called."
-- Howard Dean, on "Hardball"
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| User: "Ike" |
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| Title: Re: BUSH VOWS to CONTINUE to TORTURE MORE INNOCENT PEOPLE (no WMDs yet) |
11 Oct 2005 09:18:49 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1128897856.cdadc6bea6912371d75180ff917e55bf@teranews...
"Frank F. Matthews" <frankfmatthews@houston.rr.com> wrote in
news:6wg2f.11545$0c.9201@tornado.texas.rr.com:
Robin Hood Zoro wrote:
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:52:04 -0400, UNITED CORPORATIONS of AMERIKKKA
<DIE_FOR_OIL@WMD_LIES.org> wrote:
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Bush White House declares torture vital to US security policy
In an extraordinary declaration of the brutality of American foreign
policy, the Bush administration denounced a Senate vote to bar the
use of torture against prisoners held by the US military.
http://www.asiantribune.com/show_article.php?id=2751
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Comments from Editor at whatreallyhappened.com:
Yet in two years of torturing Iraqis not a single weapon of mass
destruction was found. Now we know there never were any Iraqi WMDs,
meaning that the US has been torturing innocent people, sometimes to
death, for information they could not possibly have had.
So imagine you have been grabbed by an invader and they are
torturing your kids and forcing you to watch, and asking you where
are the nuclear weapons, and you KNOW FOR A FACT there are none, but
the torturers won't listen to you because they don't want to believe
they are torturing innocent people, so they come up with all sorts
of wild theories why you MUST know where the nuclear weapons are and
are some kind of savage barbarian because you are willing to let
your own children be tortured to death rather than give up the
information they "know" you have.
You imagine being in that place for a while, then take another look
at Bush's insistence that the war has nothing to do with why the
Iraqi people hate the US Government.
Which Iraqi people?
Since even a lot of Americans hate it, which ones do you suppose? Of course
I personally love my government.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: BUSH VOWS to CONTINUE to TORTURE MORE INNOCENT PEOPLE (no WMDs yet) |
09 Oct 2005 06:14:02 PM |
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Without consensus, war relies on publicity to keep it a priority. News
that is always the same, however, is no longer news. Another suicide
bomber kills 20 Iraqi policemen near Mosul. Another roadside bomb (IED
if you watch Fox, because Fox likes military jargon) blows up a Humvee
or Bradley fighting vehicle, killing three Marines and an Iraqi
translator. Another helicopter crashes in a sandstorm; the
Pentagon is conducting another investigation to determine whether
weather, enemy fire or faulty equipment is to blame. Since March 2003
suicide bombings and burning choppers have become almost as routine as
the sun rising in the east--and thus, from a producer and editor's
standpoint, boring.
At Starbucks and sports bars Americans are talking about broken levees
and gas prices, not Iraq. We have not yet arrived at the point where
Americans were during the early '70s, when Walter Cronkite read the
(fictional) casualty reports from both sides of the Vietnam conflict
alongside such financial minutiae as the Dow Jones Industrial Average
and the number of shares traded on the NYSE, and used similar graphics
to illustrate both. Nevertheless, the war has become institutionalized.
It is background noise. It is hard to imagine what could happen in Iraq
that would make pay attention and talk, even argue, about the war. A
bomb that killed a thousand civilians? Probably not even that...
Right or wrong? Essential or idiotic? When it comes to the war against
Iraq, Americans only agree about one thing: it is no longer
interesting. And so, pro or con, it is lost all the same.
The polls of the week indicate that most Americans have lost faith in
the leadership of George W. Bush, the mission-accomplishing conqueror
of Iraq and would-be hero of New Orleans.
Sectarian civil war, long predicted by yours truly and other antiwar
types, has arrived in U.S.-occupied Iraq. Sunni bombs killing a hundred
people a day, spurred on by Al Qaeda and a declaration of "all-out war"
in retaliation for the Shiites' refusal to allow Sunni representation
in the next government, have become routine. Kurds and Arabs are
assassinating each other over oil rights. A year ago these developments
would have sparked accusations, counterarguments and fierce debates in
the U.S. over what to do next. Now no one cares.
# The president went to the
United Nations to, in effect, renounce what he had said there three
years ago, that the organization was flirting with irrelevance if it
did not join the United States in wiping out Iraq's alleged weapons of
mass destruction. Now he is asking for help in getting out of there.
Even the opinion page of USA Today, which rarely has an opinion, said:
"Their (the U.N.'s) unspoken message was this: We told you invading
Iraq was a bad idea. You ignored us and rushed to war. Now clean up
your own mess."
# The ravaging of New Orleans not only revealed the lack of realistic
planning by American government at all levels -- and thus our
confidence in each other -- but it dramatically revealed that the
separate and unequal racial status of the United States has not changed
as much as we have been telling ourselves these past 30 years. The rise
of
Colin Powell and
Condoleezza Rice does not change the fact that white people could
escape the storm in cars but black people had no cars.
"to disparage the victims." Bush Administration officials and
right-wing pundits call the victims of torture in U.S. custody
"terrorists," implying that detainees--who are not charged because
there is no evidence against them--deserve whatever they get.
***** Cheney called victims of torture at Guant=E1namo Bay, Cuba (who,
under U.S. law, are presumed innocent) "the worst of a very bad lot."
Rumsfeld called them "the worst of the worst."
Never miss the Saturday paper. Because it's the skimpiest and
least-circulated edition of the week, it's the venue of choice for
lowballing the stories the government can't completely cover up.
September 24's New York Times, for example, contained the bombshell
revelation that the U.S. government continues to torture innocent men,
women and children in
Iraq.
# After 17 years of debate, the Defense Department and the Presidential
Commission on Base Realignment and Closure have produced a report that
essentially concludes submarine bases and airfields established during
the Cold War are still essential to America, not because we need such a
national security structure anymore, but because defense workers (and
elected politicians in defense-heavy states) might lose their jobs. We
may have problems in Iraq, but we still have the stuff to take on the
Soviet Union.
Shalom,
---Prof. Leland Milton Goldblatt, Ph.D. =AE
Reverend Chancellor Leland Milton Goldblatt Ph.D.
http://www.prof.faithweb.com
The news media, since most media companies are now controlled by a
handful of corporations whose sole interest is in maintaining a high
profit margin, you are getting mostly fluff instead of hard news. Hard
news is labor-intensive. It is cheaper to go with the fluff.
We can hope that Americans recognize that more than one terrorist seeks
to destroy America and that the most dangerous terrorist of all lives
at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Bush and his klavern of crooks, con-men and thieves have turned this
nation into a monster that threatens world peace, an arrogant
bomb-throwing bully who poses a far-greater danger than any
Islam-spouting lunatic with a turban.
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09 Oct 2005 11:08:42 PM |
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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:06:58 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
<frankfmatthews@houston.rr.com> wrote:
Robin Hood Zoro wrote:
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:52:04 -0400, UNITED CORPORATIONS of AMERIKKKA
<DIE_FOR_OIL@WMD_LIES.org> wrote:
---------------------------------------------------------------
Bush White House declares torture vital to US security policy
In an extraordinary declaration of the brutality of American foreign
policy, the Bush administration denounced a Senate vote to bar the
use of torture against prisoners held by the US military.
http://www.asiantribune.com/show_article.php?id=2751
----------------------------------------------------------------
Comments from Editor at whatreallyhappened.com:
Yet in two years of torturing Iraqis not a single weapon of mass
destruction was found. Now we know there never were any Iraqi WMDs,
meaning that the US has been torturing innocent people, sometimes to
death, for information they could not possibly have had.
So imagine you have been grabbed by an invader and they are
torturing your kids and forcing you to watch, and asking you where
are the nuclear weapons, and you KNOW FOR A FACT there are none, but
the torturers won't listen to you because they don't want to believe
they are torturing innocent people, so they come up with all sorts
of wild theories why you MUST know where the nuclear weapons are and
are some kind of savage barbarian because you are willing to let
your own children be tortured to death rather than give up the
information they "know" you have.
You imagine being in that place for a while, then take another look
at Bush's insistence that the war has nothing to do with why the
Iraqi people hate the US Government.
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