You stupid fucking *****. Muhammad lied about that. He also got his "facts"
wrong.

Here is an article that may help you. It is a start anyway

http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=4834

Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God? By Serge Trifkovic

One of the clichés endlessly repeated by those who would conceal the
dangerous potentialities inherent in Islam is that Moslems "believe in the
same God" as Christians and Jews. But this is a severe distortion of the
truth, for what Moslems fundamentally believe is that they know the true
nature of the God that Judaism and Christianity tell lies about. Lies for
which Christians and Jews will be punished in hell. The fact that Moslems
share Levantine monotheism with us thus makes them more, not less,
antagonistic to us on a religious level. Hopes for reconciliation on the
grounds of common monotheism, as opposed to a realistic "good fences make
good neighbors" civilizational détente, are wishful thinking.

The widespread belief in the non-Muslim world that Islam accords respect to
the Old Testament and the Gospels as steps in progression to Mohammad's
revelation is mistaken. Modern Muslim apologists try to stress the supposed
underlying similarities and compatibility of the three faiths, but this is
not the view of orthodox Islam. Muhammad's insistence that there is a
heavenly proto-Scripture and that previous "books" are merely distorted and
tainted copies sent to previous nations or communities means that these
scriptures are the "barbarous Koran" as opposed to the true, Arabic one.
(Let's leave aside for a minute the puzzling question of how any degree of
"distortion" of the Koran could produce either an Old or a New Testament.)
The Tradition also regards the non-canonical Gospel of Barnabas, and not the
New Testament, as the one that Jesus taught. The Koran alone is the true
word of God and sets aside all previous revelations.

While the influence of orthodox Christianity upon the Koran has been slight,
apocryphal and heretical Christian legends are the second most important
original source of Islam. In other words, Islam contains an awful lot that
Christians have deliberately rejected over the years as religiously unsound.
There are also influences of Sabaism, of Zoroastrianism, and of ancient
Arabian paganism, including the divine sanction for the practices of
polygamy and slavery. The reports in both the Koran and the Hadith
(authoritative traditional sayings) concerning paradise, the houris,
(virgins) the youths, the jinn (genies) and the angel of death have been
directly taken from the ancient books of the Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism
also originated the story that on the Day of Judgment all people will have
to cross a bridge stretched across hell leading to paradise on which the
unbelievers will stumble and fall down to hell.

The biblical stories been passed on to Muhammad presumably from Jewish and
Christian sources, but it is probable that he never read the Old or the New
Testament. Those narratives had deeply impressed him, but being incomplete
and imprecise, they gave his imagination free rein. Of the books of the Old
Testament he knew only of the Torah or Pentateuch and the Book of Psalms,
while the Scriptures he treats collectively as "the Gospels." Muhammad took
these narratives as they were given to him, and their use in the Koran
amounts to random, approximate and often badly misunderstood reproduction of
the Talmudic traditions and the Apocrypha. Moreover, they are of course
devoid of their original contexts and of the spiritual message of the
original.

Many Old Testament stories are changed beyond recognition, and can be
treated as a "source" only in the most general sense. Abraham did not offer
Isaac, but Ishmael, as a sacrifice. "Haman" was pharaoh's chief minister,
even though the Haman known to Jews lived in Babylon one thousand years
later. Moses was picked from the river not by his sister but by his mother.
A Samaritan was the one who molded the golden calf for the children of
Israel and misguided them, even though Samarians arrived only after the
Babylonian exile. The accounts of Moses' life are sketchy and say nothing of
his character, descent, the time he was sent as a prophet, the purpose of
his mission, and where, how and why he appointed Aaron as his deputy. It
does not relate the argument between them and the people of Israel, which is
crucial to the story. The story of Noah reflected Muhammad's dilemmas and
difficulties rather than Noah's mission, and even the names of the idols
that Noah warns against are Arabic.

The Koran makes reference to Jesus, Mary and events related to them, but
with a critical distinction. It explicitly denies that Jesus was crucified:
Allah made the Jews so confused that they crucified somebody else instead
who had the likeness of Christ: "They slew him not nor crucified but it
appeared so unto them." Muslims claim that an impostor by the name of Shabih
was crucified, and he resembled Jesus in his face only. It seems illogical
to those who count "proud" as one of the "99 most beautiful names of Allah"
that Jesus, who was capable of raising the dead and of healing the blind and
the leper, willingly submitted to the cross and failed to destroy the Jews
who intended to hurt him. Islam rejects the whole concept of the
crucifixion, claiming that it is against reason to assume that Allah would
not forgive man's sins without the cross: to say so is to limit his power:
"He forgives whom he will, and he chastises whom he will."

The denial of the Trinity is also explicit: Allah begets not, i.e. he is no
Father; and was not begotten, that is, he is no Son; and no one is like him,
which means he is no Holy Spirit. "They are infidels who say, Allah is the
third of three." But "Isa" is not the Son of Allah, only a special prophet,
and the Christians' contrary claim shows how they are perverted. The
Christians are guilty of blasphemy because of their belief in the "trinity"
of Allah, Mary, and Jesus. The "real" Jesus was a righteous prophet and a
good Muslim who paved the way for the final prophet, Muhammad himself.

There is a wishful myth in circulation among liberals that Islam accords
respect to all "people of the book," i.e. Christians and Jews in addition to
Moslems. While Islam indeed accords them a higher standing than it does to
polytheists like Hindus (pace the question of whether Hinduism properly
understood is truly polytheistic) or African animists, this hardly amounts
to respect. Of all the "people of the book" only Muslims can attain
salvation. Jews' and Christians' refusal to acknowledge Mohammed as the
messenger of God dooms them to unbelief and eternal suffering after death.
Christians are mortal sinners because of their belief in the divinity of
Christ, and their condemnation is irrevocable: "God will forbid him the
garden and the fire will be his abode."

Unlike the Christian faith in God revealing Himself through Christ, the
Koran is not a revelation of Allah - a heretical concept in Islam - but the
direct revelation of his commandments and the communication of his law. It
has been said that the Koran, to a Muslim, is not the perfected Gospel, it
Christ, the Word Incarnate. This is a somewhat tenuous metaphor, however,
not a valid parallel: Christian God "comes down" and seeks man because of
His fatherly love. The Fall cast a shadow, the Incarnation makes
reconciliation possible. Allah, by contrast, is cold, haughty,
unpredictable, unknowable, capricious, distant, and so purely transcendent
that no "relationship" is possible. He reveals only his will, not himself.
Allah is "everywhere," and therefore nowhere relevant to us. He is
uninterested in making our acquaintance, let alone in being near to us
because of love. We are still utterly unable to grasp his purposes and all
we can do is what we have to do, to obey his command.

The Koran claims to be the fulfillment of a religious design which was
imperfectly revealed to the Jews and to the Christians. It is the crowning
synthesis, the final word. But viewing the matter objectively, leaving aside
for a moment the question of the actual truth of the book, it seems hard to
see how the Koran is a synthesis of anything. The way in which Christianity
makes sense - again, simply as a logical matter and leaving aside the truth
of it - as a fulfillment of Judaism, is clear even to the unbeliever. But
the Koran's claim is singularly implausible. Non-Muslim commentators fail to
see in what way is the Koran an improvement over, or advancement on, the
moral teaching, language, style, or coherence of the Old and New Testament.
It is looks, feels, sounds like a construct entirely human in origin and
intent, clear in its earthly sources of inspiration and the fulfillment of
the daily needs, personal and political, of its author.

Finally, one cannot ignore that whatever mildly friendly things the Koran
may say about Judaism and Christianity in its early part, the late Surras
also signify the final break with the Jews and Christians, who are fiercely
denounced. The Muslims must be merciless to the unbelievers but kind to each
other. "Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them." War, not
friendship, is mandatory until Islam reigns everywhere. Muslims are ordered
to fight the unbelievers, "and let them find harshness in you." They must
kill the unbelievers "wherever you find them." The punishment for resistance
is execution or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides. By
the stage in his life during which these Surras were written, Muhammad was
no longer trying to convert his hearers by examples, promises, and warnings;
he addresses them as their master and sovereign, praising them or blaming
them for their conduct, giving laws and precepts as needed. His raw
dogmatism stands, finally, naked of all pretence.

"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:05:41 -0700, "derng" <derng@hotmail.com> posted
in alt.atheism:

"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"derng" <derng@hotmail.com> thought hard and said:

It is quite obvious to anyone who gives it
any serious thought that Muslims positively do not worship the same

God as

the Jews and Christians.

Fool.

Sounds like it is you who is the fool

No, you are. Islam claims to worship the god of Abraham. So does
Christianity. All three religions worship the same god. Christianity
just throws in 2 others, so as to look different.
--
"I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the

structure of the world

insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
- Letter to S. Flesch, April 16, 1954; Einstein Archive 30-1154
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net

You stupid fucking *****. Muhammad lied about that. He also got his "facts"
wrong.

You stupid fucking *****. Muhammad lied about that. He also got his "facts"
wrong.

Couple of questions. Please prove to me that Christianity is not
an evil force in the world

Yeah! Hurry up! Prove that negative!