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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"kathryn"
Date:	21 Apr 2005 02:03:06 PM
Object:	But i'm the bad person

Gotta love the warm snuggly christians - on this whole other forum
It's bigotted and intolerant of us for having a problem with a supposedly
secular site displaying a special notice that we're all really sad about
JPII dying (we are?!)
Me saying that there is no god is more insulting than a christian telling me
(when they know I'm an atheist) that "god loves me"
I'm confrontational for feeling (and not being able to hide) a slight
replusion for someone who thinks that the whole AIDS problem in Africa has
bugger all to do with the pope since all the folks have to do is stop having
sex and it's not his fault if the only part they listen to is the "don't use
condoms" bit.
Which was also basically the answer to my sarcastic comments on the
"success" of the abstinence only sex ed programmes. I suggest that taking
the moral high ground wasn't actually the most important thing.
they must think their god loves hypocricy.
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User: "georgann"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 08:03:26 AM

Are there some church elders that still claim to be able to talk to your
god every now and then in order to get advice or information about the
universe?

DianaC wrote:

That is the definition of 'prophet', yes.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
That is NOT the definition of prophet.

Fred Stone wrote:

What is the definition of prophet?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
One who is called by God specifically to (endeavor to) right the errant ways
of God's people.
--
(`'З.И(`'З.И(`'З.И И.З'Д)И.З'Д)И.З'Д)
ЋДЈ`З.ИИ ИИ.ЗДЈ `Л
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'

http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
(И.З'Д(И.З'Д(И.З'Д `'З.И)`'З.И)`'З.И)
.

User: "Robibnikoff"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 08:31:35 AM

"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BE9E405E.614B0%chenault@mindspring.com...

Are there some church elders that still claim to be able to talk to

your

god every now and then in order to get advice or information about

the

universe?

DianaC wrote:

That is the definition of 'prophet', yes.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

That is NOT the definition of prophet.

Fred Stone wrote:

What is the definition of prophet?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

One who is called by God specifically to (endeavor to) right the errant

ways

of God's people.

Kinda like you and that scribble, um, I mean, diagram ;)
--
------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
.

User: "georgann"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 09:19:01 AM

Are there some church elders that still claim to be able to talk to your
god every now and then in order to get advice or information about the
universe?

DianaC wrote:

That is the definition of 'prophet', yes.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
That is NOT the definition of prophet.

Fred Stone wrote:

What is the definition of prophet?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
One who is called by God specifically to (endeavor to) right the errant ways
of God's people.

Robibnikoff wrote:

Kinda like you and that scribble, um, I mean, diagram ;)

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Could be.
--
(`'З.И(`'З.И(`'З.И И.З'Д)И.З'Д)И.З'Д)
ЋДЈ`З.ИИ ИИ.ЗДЈ `Л
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'

http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
(И.З'Д(И.З'Д(И.З'Д `'З.И)`'З.И)`'З.И)
.

User: "Robibnikoff"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 09:51:13 AM

"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BE9E5214.6151E%chenault@mindspring.com...

Are there some church elders that still claim to be able to talk to

your

god every now and then in order to get advice or information about

the

universe?

DianaC wrote:

That is the definition of 'prophet', yes.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

That is NOT the definition of prophet.

Fred Stone wrote:

What is the definition of prophet?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

One who is called by God specifically to (endeavor to) right the errant

ways

of God's people.

Robibnikoff wrote:

Kinda like you and that scribble, um, I mean, diagram ;)

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

Could be.

Hoo boy <shakes head>
--
------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
.

User: "Elroy Willis"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 10:31:56 AM

Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism

georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message

Fred Stone wrote:

What is the definition of prophet?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
One who is called by God specifically to (endeavor to) right the errant
ways of God's people.

Robibnikoff wrote:

Kinda like you and that scribble, um, I mean, diagram ;)

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Could be.

Hoo boy <shakes head>

She predicted that Jeebuz will come back within her lifetime,
sometime around 2025 or so, didn't she?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.

User: "Elroy Willis"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 09:30:45 AM

georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Fred Stone wrote:

What is the definition of prophet?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
One who is called by God specifically to (endeavor to) right the errant
ways of God's people.

Robibnikoff wrote:

Kinda like you and that scribble, um, I mean, diagram ;)

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Could be.

You've already made at least one false prophecy or more, so legally,
according to the commands of Bible god or your LORD, you should be put
to death by the sword, and your town should be destroyed and left in
ruins...
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.

User: "georgann"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 06:00:23 PM

What is the definition of prophet?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
One who is called by God specifically to (endeavor to) right the errant
ways of God's people.

Robibnikoff wrote:

Kinda like you and that scribble, um, I mean, diagram ;)

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Could be.

Elroy Willis wrote:

You've already made at least one false prophecy or more, so legally, according
to the commands of Bible god or your LORD, you should be put to death by the
sword, and your town should be destroyed and left in ruins...

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I don't recall offering any prophecy. So what prophecy supposedly from me
are you saying is false?
--
(`'З.И(`'З.И(`'З.И И.З'Д)И.З'Д)И.З'Д)
ЋДЈ`З.ИИ ИИ.ЗДЈ `Л
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'

http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
(И.З'Д(И.З'Д(И.З'Д `'З.И)`'З.И)`'З.И)
.

User: "Elroy Willis"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 06:36:21 PM

georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism

What is the definition of prophet?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
One who is called by God specifically to (endeavor to) right the errant
ways of God's people.

Robibnikoff wrote:

Kinda like you and that scribble, um, I mean, diagram ;)

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Could be.

Elroy Willis wrote:

You've already made at least one false prophecy or more, so legally, according
to the commands of Bible god or your LORD, you should be put to death by the
sword, and your town should be destroyed and left in ruins...

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I don't recall offering any prophecy. So what prophecy supposedly from me
are you saying is false?

Your diagram, of course.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.

User: "georgann"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 06:51:35 PM

Elroy Willis wrote:

You've already made at least one false prophecy or more, so legally,
according to the commands of Bible god or your LORD, you should be put to
death by the sword, and your town should be destroyed and left in ruins...

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I don't recall offering any prophecy. So what prophecy supposedly from me are
you saying is false?

Elroy Willis wrote:

Your diagram, of course.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
What makes you think it is prophecy or false?
--
(`'З.И(`'З.И(`'З.И И.З'Д)И.З'Д)И.З'Д)
ЋДЈ`З.ИИ ИИ.ЗДЈ `Л
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'

http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
(И.З'Д(И.З'Д(И.З'Д `'З.И)`'З.И)`'З.И)
.

User: "Elroy Willis"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 07:11:07 PM

georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis wrote:

You've already made at least one false prophecy or more, so legally,
according to the commands of Bible god or your LORD, you should
be put to death by the sword, and your town should be destroyed
and left in ruins...

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I don't recall offering any prophecy. So what prophecy supposedly from
me are you saying is false?

Elroy Willis wrote:

Your diagram, of course.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
What makes you think it is prophecy or false?

Are you kidding? Seriously?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.

User: "Jos Flachs no x, please"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	05 May 2005 03:21:07 AM

On Wed, 04 May 2005 14:30:45 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

Could be.

Stones, everyone? I got nice false beards as well...
.

User: "Mephisto"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	05 May 2005 05:00:52 AM

On Thu, 05 May 2005 15:21:07 +0700, Jos Flachs <XwcruiseX@ksc15.th.com
(no x, please)> wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2005 14:30:45 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

Could be.

Stones, everyone? I got nice false beards as well...

I'll have two points, two flat ones and a packet of gravel.
Mephisto
.

User: "DianaC"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 12:21:33 PM

"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BE9E405E.614B0%chenault@mindspring.com...

Are there some church elders that still claim to be able to talk to
your
god every now and then in order to get advice or information about the
universe?

DianaC wrote:

That is the definition of 'prophet', yes.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

That is NOT the definition of prophet.

Fred Stone wrote:

What is the definition of prophet?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

One who is called by God specifically to (endeavor to) right the errant
ways
of God's people.

(shaking head)
And how does this prophet know he has been so called?
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 12:45:31 PM

"DianaC" <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in
news:xw7ee.6719$k01.395@trnddc03:

"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BE9E405E.614B0%chenault@mindspring.com...

Are there some church elders that still claim to be able to talk
to your
god every now and then in order to get advice or information
about the universe?

DianaC wrote:

That is the definition of 'prophet', yes.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

That is NOT the definition of prophet.

Fred Stone wrote:

What is the definition of prophet?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

One who is called by God specifically to (endeavor to) right the
errant ways
of God's people.

(shaking head)

And how does this prophet know he has been so called?

The usual way. By asking the God he sees when he looks in the mirror.
;-)
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.

User: "Elroy Willis"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 07:19:53 PM

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism

DianaC <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in

georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message

Fred Stone wrote:

What is the definition of prophet?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
One who is called by God specifically to (endeavor to) right the
errant ways of God's people.

(shaking head)
And how does this prophet know he has been so called?

The usual way. By asking the God he sees when he looks in the mirror.
;-)

What did you make of this page?
http://www.piney.com/TomPaineProph.html
Too much info to digest at one time? :)
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.

User: "georgann"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 06:20:04 PM

Are there some church elders that still claim to be able to talk to your
god every now and then in order to get advice or information about the
universe?

DianaC wrote:

That is the definition of 'prophet', yes.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
That is NOT the definition of prophet.

Fred Stone wrote:

What is the definition of prophet?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
One who is called by God specifically to (endeavor to) right the errant ways
of God's people.

DianaC wrote:

(shaking head)
And how does this prophet know he has been so called?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I'm not talking about anyone other than OT prophets. Do you deny that they
knew their calling and that they followed God's commands?
--
(`'З.И(`'З.И(`'З.И И.З'Д)И.З'Д)И.З'Д)
ЋДЈ`З.ИИ ИИ.ЗДЈ `Л
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'

http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
(И.З'Д(И.З'Д(И.З'Д `'З.И)`'З.И)`'З.И)
.

User: "DianaC"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 09:42:59 PM

"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BE9ED0E3.617BA%chenault@mindspring.com...

Are there some church elders that still claim to be able to talk to
your
god every now and then in order to get advice or information about
the
universe?

DianaC wrote:

That is the definition of 'prophet', yes.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

That is NOT the definition of prophet.

Fred Stone wrote:

What is the definition of prophet?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

One who is called by God specifically to (endeavor to) right the errant
ways
of God's people.

DianaC wrote:

(shaking head)
And how does this prophet know he has been so called?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

I'm not talking about anyone other than OT prophets. Do you deny that they
knew their calling and that they followed God's commands?

No...that is, those who actually were. I have a suspicion that some of those
guys may have been the winners attempting to justify actions taken during
the battle. But then, I have never pretended to be a biblical innerantist. >
.

User: "Elroy Willis"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 01:02:22 PM

DianaC <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism

georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message

Are there some church elders that still claim to be able to talk to
your god every now and then in order to get advice or information about
the universe?

DianaC wrote:

That is the definition of 'prophet', yes.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
That is NOT the definition of prophet.

Fred Stone wrote:

What is the definition of prophet?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
One who is called by God specifically to (endeavor to) right the errant
ways of God's people.

(shaking head)
And how does this prophet know he has been so called?

Because he says so, just like Joseph Smith and any other people in
your particular cult, just like the people in georgann's cult believe
about their prophets. I'm sure you two share a few so-called prophets
in common, but you split apart at some point, right?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.

User: "DianaC"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 03:04:11 PM

"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:vb3i71dvriocnrslgehr4e4lluf6b8o12p@4ax.com...

DianaC <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism

And how does this prophet know he has been so called?

No, a prophet doesn't know because he says so. He says so because he knows.
Unless of course he's lying about that part.
.....and I really don't know what georgann's belief system is, specifically,
since I've never talked to her before. She'll have to tell me when the
prophets stopped showing up, if indeed she thinks that.
.

User: "Elroy Willis"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 06:56:16 PM

DianaC <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message

DianaC <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism

And how does this prophet know he has been so called?

No, a prophet doesn't know because he says so. He says so because he knows.

Ha ha ha...

Unless of course he's lying about that part.

But you'd never actually imagine that one of your church leaders or
founders was actually a liar or fruitcake, would you? :)

....and I really don't know what georgann's belief system is, specifically,
since I've never talked to her before.

I thought I'd seen you two exchange words at least once since I've
been around here, but I could be wrong.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.

User: "DianaC"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 09:24:17 PM

"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:s4oi71h5f7785rds3tn3j4l32s1tuk3ir7@4ax.com...

DianaC <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message

DianaC <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism

And how does this prophet know he has been so called?

No, a prophet doesn't know because he says so. He says so because he
knows.

Ha ha ha...

Unless of course he's lying about that part.

But you'd never actually imagine that one of your church leaders or
founders was actually a liar or fruitcake, would you? :)

Oh, I'm sure a few of them are.

....and I really don't know what georgann's belief system is,
specifically,
since I've never talked to her before.

I thought I'd seen you two exchange words at least once since I've
been around here, but I could be wrong.

I don't remember. But then, you know my short term memory..
.

User: "georgann"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 06:08:36 PM

DianaC wrote:

since I've never talked to her before. She'll have to tell me when the
prophets stopped showing up, if indeed she thinks that.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
IMO true prophets stopped showing up after Christ. Only that would exclude
John the Revelator because He was Christ's contemporary.
This does not deny the gift of prophecy with is active. It is the office of
prophet (other than false) I deny exists since John.
--
(`'З.И(`'З.И(`'З.И И.З'Д)И.З'Д)И.З'Д)
ЋДЈ`З.ИИ ИИ.ЗДЈ `Л
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'

http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
(И.З'Д(И.З'Д(И.З'Д `'З.И)`'З.И)`'З.И)
.

User: "DianaC"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	04 May 2005 09:23:16 PM

"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BE9ECE33.6178A%chenault@mindspring.com...

DianaC wrote:

since I've never talked to her before. She'll have to tell me when the
prophets stopped showing up, if indeed she thinks that.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

IMO true prophets stopped showing up after Christ. Only that would exclude
John the Revelator because He was Christ's contemporary.

If that had happened, we wouldn't have any part of the New Testament.
Because all of it was written after Christ died.

This does not deny the gift of prophecy with is active. It is the office
of
prophet (other than false) I deny exists since John.

--
(`'З.И(`'З.И(`'З.И И.З'Д)И.З'Д)И.З'Д)
ЋДЈ`З.ИИ ИИ.ЗДЈ `Л
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'

http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
(И.З'Д(И.З'Д(И.З'Д `'З.И)`'З.И)`'З.И)

User: "georgann"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	05 May 2005 06:22:27 AM

since I've never talked to her before. She'll have to tell me when the
prophets stopped showing up, if indeed she thinks that.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
IMO true prophets stopped showing up after Christ. Only that would exclude
John the Revelator because He was Christ's contemporary.

DianaC wrote:

If that had happened, we wouldn't have any part of the New Testament.
Because all of it was written after Christ died.

This does not deny the gift of prophecy with is active. It is the office of
prophet (other than false) I deny exists since John.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Evidently you don't discriminate between Gospel writers, largely apostles or
Paul, a late convert, and people who would qualify as prophets. Only John
the Revelator can honestly qualify as a prophet, imo, and he was Christ's
contemporary.
--
(`'З.И(`'З.И(`'З.И И.З'Д)И.З'Д)И.З'Д)
ЋДЈ`З.ИИ ИИ.ЗДЈ `Л
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'

http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
(И.З'Д(И.З'Д(И.З'Д `'З.И)`'З.И)`'З.И)
.

User: "DianaC"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	05 May 2005 08:49:17 PM

"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BE9F7A32.61A03%chenault@mindspring.com...

since I've never talked to her before. She'll have to tell me when the
prophets stopped showing up, if indeed she thinks that.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

IMO true prophets stopped showing up after Christ. Only that would
exclude
John the Revelator because He was Christ's contemporary.

DianaC wrote:

If that had happened, we wouldn't have any part of the New Testament.
Because all of it was written after Christ died.

This does not deny the gift of prophecy with is active. It is the office
of
prophet (other than false) I deny exists since John.

Did they, or did they not, receive revelation? (Paul literally got knocked
off his...riding animal..) Did they, or did they not, see Christ at His
resurrection/after His death? Did He, or did He not, give them instruction
after His death?
Let's see then: Men. Called of God. Spoken to personally BY God. Giving
instructions to the people around them, even making some predictions.
Yep, sounds like a prophet to me.
.

User: "georgann"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	06 May 2005 04:38:38 AM

DianaC wrote:

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Grace i.e. revelation of who God is is not prophecy. Seeing Christ after
His resurrection is knowledge not prophecy. The LORD's instruction to them
after His death was teaching, edifying etc, not prophecy. Probably 95% of
the prophecies through Jesus Christ can be found in the early pages of each
of the Gospels and not after His resurrection.
DianaC wrote:

Let's see then: Men. Called of God. Spoken to personally BY God. Giving
instructions to the people around them, even making some predictions.
Yep, sounds like a prophet to me.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You just referred to about 5 spiritual gifts that have nothing to do with
prophecy. And all those supposed "predictions" were given by Jesus or John
by the time they were recorded in the Gospels or the Letters.
What the apostles were doing was teaching, preaching, helping, edifying and
encouraging - not prophesying of the predictive kind.
With such flabby perceptions or supposed definitions of prophecy as yours
its no wonder cranks like Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy, David Koresch,
Nostrodomus et al have some number of people convinced they are prophets.
Someone takes a what they already know from the Books of Daniel, Matthew and
Revelation, add a heaping helping of reordering, change of setting for
dazzling color and a dash of fantasy and ... voila ... its prophecy!!
Learn what the spiritual gifts are separately and distinctly and you'll
understand better what prophecy is and is not.
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User: "DianaC"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	06 May 2005 10:58:27 AM

"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

Evidently you don't discriminate between Gospel writers, largely
apostles or
Paul, a late convert, and people who would qualify as prophets. Only
John the
Revelator can honestly qualify as a prophet, imo, and he was Christ's
contemporary.

DianaC wrote:

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

Grace i.e. revelation of who God is is not prophecy. Seeing Christ after
His resurrection is knowledge not prophecy. The LORD's instruction to them
after His death was teaching, edifying etc, not prophecy. Probably 95% of
the prophecies through Jesus Christ can be found in the early pages of
each
of the Gospels and not after His resurrection.

Excuse me. But did you not say that 'the gift of prophecy is active"?
(Looking) yes. You did. Is not one who prophecies....a prophet?
And did you not say that a prophet was 'One who is called by God specifially
to (endeavor to) right the errant ways of God's people."
Where in that description is prediction of future events the only thing...or
even A thing?
<snip to end>
The thing is, you can deny that the 'office of prophet' is gone, but that's
like saying that while you believe that there are women who give birth, that
the office of 'mother' is gone.
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User: "Elroy Willis"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	07 May 2005 08:05:21 PM

DianaC <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism

georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message

DianaC wrote:

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Grace i.e. revelation of who God is is not prophecy. Seeing Christ after
His resurrection is knowledge not prophecy. The LORD's instruction to them
after His death was teaching, edifying etc, not prophecy. Probably 95% of
the prophecies through Jesus Christ can be found in the early pages of
each of the Gospels and not after His resurrection.

A question to both you and georgann:
Do you consider Muhammed as a false prophet? If so, why?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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User: "DianaC"
Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	08 May 2005 08:37:55 AM

"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
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DianaC <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism

Do you consider Muhammed as a false prophet? If so, why?

Honestly?
I don't know. He may have been the real deal....but what his followers did
after that is, well...........................
(to any Christians giving a gasp of horror here; remember, MOHAMMAD believed
that Jesus Christ was indeed the Messiah; in fact, he could have been
called, with very good reason, a Christian; one with a specific heresy
according to the Catholicism of the time, yes...had he showed up more
recently, he would have fit quite comfortably in the 19th century version of
Unitarianism. Things evolved--or devolved, depending on your POV, from
there )
The problem with the majority of theists, especially Christians, seems to
me, is that religion is something best kept at a distance. For most, it is
something to do on Sundays, or a banner to wave proclaiming their own
righteousness, or a hammer to bang other people over the head with.
But all the prophets and all the revelation are, you notice, safely back in
time a couple of thousand years, where one can safely interpret their words
to modern comfort, or better still, ignore them. A prophet can be a very
uncomfortable thing to have around, y'know. It means that God actually is
paying attention; prophets do not make good dinner guests, or comfortable
dates at the movies, or great companions at a base ball game. They tend to
shake up the system. They are not couth.
.....and so, most Christians tell you that there USED to be prophets, but of
course there aren't any more. Mind you, when you ask 'em why, they can't
tell you.

Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com

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Title: *Re: But i'm* the bad person**	08 May 2005 12:45:02 PM

DianaC <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message

DianaC <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism

Do you consider Muhammed as a false prophet? If so, why?

Honestly?

No, I wanted you to lie. :)

I don't know. He may have been the real deal....but what his followers did
after that is, well...........................

For you though, Joseph Smith trumps Muhammed since Smith came later,
right?

(to any Christians giving a gasp of horror here; remember, MOHAMMAD
believed that Jesus Christ was indeed the Messiah;

He didn't believe that Jesus died on a cross and rose from the dead,
though, right?

in fact, he could have been called, with very good reason, a Christian; one
with a specific heresy according to the Catholicism of the time, yes...had he
showed up more recently, he would have fit quite comfortably in the 19th
century version of Unitarianism. Things evolved--or devolved, depending
on your POV, from there )
The problem with the majority of theists, especially Christians, seems to
me, is that religion is something best kept at a distance. For most, it is
something to do on Sundays, or a banner to wave proclaiming their own
righteousness, or a hammer to bang other people over the head with.

It's something that plays little importance in their day-to-day lives,
iow?

But all the prophets and all the revelation are, you notice, safely back in
time a couple of thousand years, where one can safely interpret their words
to modern comfort, or better still, ignore them. A prophet can be a very
uncomfortable thing to have around, y'know. It means that God actually is
paying attention; prophets do not make good dinner guests, or comfortable
dates at the movies, or great companions at a base ball game. They tend to
shake up the system. They are not couth.

And here I thought Jesus was supposed to be a guy any average Joe
or Mary would like to hang out with, since he hung out with the
despots and hookers and tax collectors, and he was a glutton and a
drunkard according to Matthew 11:19.

....and so, most Christians tell you that there USED to be prophets, but of
course there aren't any more. Mind you, when you ask 'em why, they can't
tell you.

They'd probably kill their own messiah just like the Jews did, so they
wouldn't have to listen to anything he was saying that they didn't
like or agree with.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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