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23 Feb 2007 08:30:06 PM |
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But Where Do You Get Your "Morals" |
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Theists often consider it quite the zinger question to ask atheists,
"Without god, where do you get your morals?!!"
I think the appropriate reply is, "Unlike you, I get them from my brain.
Why don't you try using your brain some time?" Theists like to quote
from a stone age tablet because they believe it to be easier than
thinking. But the fact is that they still have to interpret the tablet
and figure out how to apply it. Non-theistic morality does just isn't
constrained by archaic rules and is free to find the best solution to a
given problem that is completely adapted to the conditions at hand. They
don't have to shoe-horn some ancient rule of thumb into a situation where
it doesn't belong, like religious people do, just so that they don't have
to admit their prehistoric religious dogmas are flawed. Theists often
deploy the canard of accusing their opponents of being "relativists", but
actually, all we are saying is that you act based upon your best
information and your best knowledge of the situation. Those details
often matter and it's really not possible to generate a moral decision if
one ignores the contextual details of the case, as absolutists often
demand.
The fact is that certain theists claim to have absolute moral codes, but
in reality, they consider killing wrong in some cases and right in
others, just like everybody else. Their babbling about Moses getting his
tablets from the Canaanite volcano god Yahweh on mount Sinai and all that
other bible BS have no bearing upon moral decision-making.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "the_Host" |
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| Title: Re: But Where Do You Get Your "Morals" |
23 Feb 2007 09:19:45 PM |
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"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Theists often consider it quite the zinger question to ask atheists,
"Without god, where do you get your morals?!!"
I think the appropriate reply is, "Unlike you, I get them from my brain.
Why don't you try using your brain some time?" Theists like to quote
from a stone age tablet because they believe it to be easier than
thinking. But the fact is that they still have to interpret the tablet
and figure out how to apply it. Non-theistic morality does just isn't
constrained by archaic rules and is free to find the best solution to a
given problem that is completely adapted to the conditions at hand. They
don't have to shoe-horn some ancient rule of thumb into a situation where
it doesn't belong, like religious people do, just so that they don't have
to admit their prehistoric religious dogmas are flawed. Theists often
deploy the canard of accusing their opponents of being "relativists", but
actually, all we are saying is that you act based upon your best
information and your best knowledge of the situation. Those details
often matter and it's really not possible to generate a moral decision if
one ignores the contextual details of the case, as absolutists often
demand.
The fact is that certain theists claim to have absolute moral codes, but
in reality, they consider killing wrong in some cases and right in
others, just like everybody else. Their babbling about Moses getting his
tablets from the Canaanite volcano god Yahweh on mount Sinai and all that
other bible BS have no bearing upon moral decision-making.
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God" what did he
find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
Well gee, isn't that special? I wonder why they did that? Hmmm, I wonder why
they would worship that cute little golden cow? I wonder, could it
be.....SATAN?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?
hahaha lol!
Now if grown adults are so stupid to worship an idol, I would say they
needed some special attention or guidance.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
Your argument is flawed.
Answer one question:
When someone has a kid, does someone throw the kid outdoors and say, "Use
your brain. You're on your own."?
No, at least not responsible parents.
So it is with Jesus. He taught people certain truths so that we could learn
the easy way instead of the hard way.
Just using one's brain is not going to get someone very far.
If one knows it all, then why go to college?
This is why the "I believe in myself" argument is worthless. Nobody knows it
all, so we share info.
This is why Jesus shared info: So the little children of God could be well
prepared for the obstacles ahead.
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| User: "Lisbeth Andersson" |
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| Title: Re: But Where Do You Get Your "Morals" |
24 Feb 2007 07:22:40 AM |
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"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote in
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<...> Their babbling about Moses getting his
tablets from the Canaanite volcano god Yahweh on mount Sinai and
all that other bible BS have no bearing upon moral
decision-making.
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God" what
did he find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
Well gee, isn't that special? I wonder why they did that? Hmmm, I
wonder why they would worship that cute little golden cow?
It's a very interesting story, isn't it. After the Israelites had
survived the 10 plagues God sent to get them out of Egypt, seen Moses
part the Red Sea and drown the Egyptian army, and actually heard the
voice of God from the clouds, they decide that they can make a better
god than that themselves. They were not very impressed by Jahve, were
they?
Kind of kills the argument that if people had evidence of God they
would not have any free will.
I wonder, could it be.....SATAN?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?
<....>
Well, the Eve and Adam story is another example of people who had med
God and were not impressed. They decided that a talking snake was more
reliable than God.
It's a recurring theme in the Bible, someone who has evidence that God
exists decides that God is not very impressive and it is safe to
ignore his orders. (Salomon, Jonah ...)
Lisbeth.
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
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24 Feb 2007 09:21:04 AM |
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"Lisbeth Andersson" <lisand@bredband.net> wrote in message
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"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote in
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<...> Their babbling about Moses getting his
tablets from the Canaanite volcano god Yahweh on mount Sinai and
all that other bible BS have no bearing upon moral
decision-making.
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God" what
did he find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
Well gee, isn't that special? I wonder why they did that? Hmmm, I
wonder why they would worship that cute little golden cow?
It's a very interesting story, isn't it. After the Israelites had
survived the 10 plagues God sent to get them out of Egypt, seen Moses
part the Red Sea and drown the Egyptian army, and actually heard the
voice of God from the clouds, they decide that they can make a better
god than that themselves. They were not very impressed by Jahve, were
they?
Kind of kills the argument that if people had evidence of God they
would not have any free will.
And here I am telling others what they need to be one with the spirit of
Heaven and they still do not get it.
I wonder, could it be.....SATAN?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?
<....>
Well, the Eve and Adam story is another example of people who had med
God and were not impressed. They decided that a talking snake was more
reliable than God.
Because of vain desire.
This goes back to "The DEVIL made me do it!"
They get caught doing something bad, they lie and blame a snake.
Have you ever done something you knew was wrong? Gone against your
conscience? Stole something, lied, deceived yourself through wanton desire?
And, please, you don't have lie to me, I am just some anonymous guy on the
internet....
It's a recurring theme in the Bible, someone who has evidence that God
exists decides that God is not very impressive and it is safe to
ignore his orders. (Salomon, Jonah ...)
It is a recurring theme in alt.atheism too.
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| User: "Lisbeth Andersson" |
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| Title: Re: But Where Do You Get Your "Morals" |
25 Feb 2007 03:47:54 PM |
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"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote in
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Since this thread is about morals, I'm going to assume that "the
golden rule" is valid in a few places.
"Lisbeth Andersson" <lisand@bredband.net> wrote in message
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"the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote in
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<...> Their babbling about Moses getting his
tablets from the Canaanite volcano god Yahweh on mount Sinai
and all that other bible BS have no bearing upon moral
decision-making.
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God"
what did he find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
Well gee, isn't that special? I wonder why they did that?
Hmmm, I wonder why they would worship that cute little golden
cow?
It's a very interesting story, isn't it. After the Israelites
had survived the 10 plagues God sent to get them out of Egypt,
seen Moses part the Red Sea and drown the Egyptian army, and
actually heard the voice of God from the clouds, they decide
that they can make a better god than that themselves. They were
not very impressed by Jahve, were they?
Kind of kills the argument that if people had evidence of God
they would not have any free will.
And here I am telling others what they need to be one with the
spirit of Heaven and they still do not get it.
You want people to tell you how to improve your spiritual life? Of
course you do, otherwise you wouldn't tell others how to improve
theirs. Ok, here is an excercise you really should try:
Set aside about 20 minutes for the excercise. Turn off your
computer, TV, radio and all other distractions. Sit down and think
about how you would react if somebody suggested you use the Vedas
to organise your daily life. It might help if you write down your
thoughts. Then try to find the similarities in reaction a non-
christian would have to being told that the Bible is the ultimate
religious authority. If you manage those two simple steps you
should have an idea of why nobody gets your talk about the spirit
of Heaven, and you might, just might, get an idea about how to
improve your strategy.
I wonder, could it be.....SATAN?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?
<....>
Well, the Eve and Adam story is another example of people who
had med God and were not impressed. They decided that a talking
snake was more reliable than God.
Because of vain desire.
This goes back to "The DEVIL made me do it!"
They get caught doing something bad, they lie and blame a snake.
You seem to believe half of the story. How did you decide which
half to believe.
Have you ever done something you knew was wrong? Gone against
your conscience? Stole something, lied, deceived yourself through
wanton desire?
The golden rule again, eh? You want me to ask you about your
stealing, lying, cheating, and so on? Consider the question asked.
And, please, you don't have lie to me, I am just
some anonymous guy on the internet....
ROFLMAO. Just some .... Yeah, right, you and a few 1000 others who
might be reading this. AFAIK, my sisters could be reading this.
(Actually AFAIK you could *be my sister - the anonymity makes it
impossible to tell.)
I don't *have to tell you anything, lies or not. I will note,
however that you seem very ready to assume that somebody will lie
to you. TGR makes me stop this paragraph here.
It's a recurring theme in the Bible, someone who has evidence
that God exists decides that God is not very impressive and it
is safe to ignore his orders. (Salomon, Jonah ...)
It is a recurring theme in alt.atheism too.
I could try to guess what you are talking about, but I rather don't
do that. For some reason I don't think you are talking about
theists who claim that they have evidence for god and then refuse
to tell us what it is.
Lisbeth.
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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24 Feb 2007 08:52:33 PM |
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On Feb 24, 11:21 pm, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
"Lisbeth Andersson" <lis...@bredband.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98E19B54D8DF9lisandbredbandnet@66.150.105.47...
"the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote in
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<...> Their babbling about Moses getting his
tablets from the Canaanite volcano god Yahweh on mount Sinai and
all that other bible BS have no bearing upon moral
decision-making.
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God" what
did he find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
Well gee, isn't that special? I wonder why they did that? Hmmm, I
wonder why they would worship that cute little golden cow?
It's a very interesting story, isn't it. After the Israelites had
survived the 10 plagues God sent to get them out of Egypt, seen Moses
part the Red Sea and drown the Egyptian army, and actually heard the
voice of God from the clouds, they decide that they can make a better
god than that themselves. They were not very impressed by Jahve, were
they?
Kind of kills the argument that if people had evidence of God they
would not have any free will.
And here I am telling others what they need to be one with the spirit of
Heaven and they still do not get it.
There is no Heaven. It's all a figment of your imagination. You
still don't get that.
I wonder, could it be.....SATAN?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?
<....>
Well, the Eve and Adam story is another example of people who had med
God and were not impressed. They decided that a talking snake was more
reliable than God.
Because of vain desire.
This goes back to "The DEVIL made me do it!"
There is no Devil. It is a figment of your imagination. Accept it.
They get caught doing something bad, they lie and blame a snake.
That may be what you do (and then ask for "redemption") but atheists
would have to live with their conscience. Why don't you divest
yourself of your superstitious beliefs and start being a moral person?
Have you ever done something you knew was wrong? Gone against your
conscience? Stole something, lied, deceived yourself through wanton desire?
No, because I knew that there was no Devil who I could blame nor God
who could redeem me for doing such a bad thing.
And, please, you don't have lie to me, I am just some anonymous guy on the
internet....
I don't lie. People don't do things they know are wrong although they
may do things that others tell them are wrong. If I watch porn, for
instance, I know I am doing nothing wrong even though your twisted
sense of morality might think I am.
It's a recurring theme in the Bible, someone who has evidence that God
exists decides that God is not very impressive and it is safe to
ignore his orders. (Salomon, Jonah ...)
It is a recurring theme in alt.atheism too.
Why do you say that? Do you believe your God telling you to shut the
***** up? Stop ignoring his orders then.
Martin
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| User: "the_Host" |
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25 Feb 2007 09:19:26 AM |
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"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 24, 11:21 pm, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
"Lisbeth Andersson" <lis...@bredband.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98E19B54D8DF9lisandbredbandnet@66.150.105.47...
"the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote in
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<...> Their babbling about Moses getting his
tablets from the Canaanite volcano god Yahweh on mount Sinai and
all that other bible BS have no bearing upon moral
decision-making.
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God" what
did he find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
Well gee, isn't that special? I wonder why they did that? Hmmm, I
wonder why they would worship that cute little golden cow?
It's a very interesting story, isn't it. After the Israelites had
survived the 10 plagues God sent to get them out of Egypt, seen Moses
part the Red Sea and drown the Egyptian army, and actually heard the
voice of God from the clouds, they decide that they can make a better
god than that themselves. They were not very impressed by Jahve, were
they?
Kind of kills the argument that if people had evidence of God they
would not have any free will.
And here I am telling others what they need to be one with the spirit of
Heaven and they still do not get it.
There is no Heaven. It's all a figment of your imagination. You
still don't get that.
I wonder, could it be.....SATAN?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?
<....>
Well, the Eve and Adam story is another example of people who had med
God and were not impressed. They decided that a talking snake was more
reliable than God.
Because of vain desire.
This goes back to "The DEVIL made me do it!"
There is no Devil. It is a figment of your imagination. Accept it.
They get caught doing something bad, they lie and blame a snake.
That may be what you do (and then ask for "redemption") but atheists
would have to live with their conscience. Why don't you divest
yourself of your superstitious beliefs and start being a moral person?
Have you ever done something you knew was wrong? Gone against your
conscience? Stole something, lied, deceived yourself through wanton
desire?
No, because I knew that there was no Devil who I could blame nor God
who could redeem me for doing such a bad thing.
You lie again.
Anyone who says they have never lied is a super liar.
And, please, you don't have lie to me, I am just some anonymous guy on
the
internet....
I don't lie. People don't do things they know are wrong although they
may do things that others tell them are wrong. If I watch porn, for
instance, I know I am doing nothing wrong even though your twisted
sense of morality might think I am.
It is not just MY sense of morality, it is common sense morality.
It's a recurring theme in the Bible, someone who has evidence that God
exists decides that God is not very impressive and it is safe to
ignore his orders. (Salomon, Jonah ...)
It is a recurring theme in alt.atheism too.
Why do you say that? Do you believe your God telling you to shut the
***** up? Stop ignoring his orders then.
Martin
Another lost soul...
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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24 Feb 2007 03:37:53 PM |
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On Feb 24, 5:22 am, Lisbeth Andersson <lis...@bredband.net> wrote:
"the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote innews:1542$45dfaeac$4088c657$12002@EVERESTKC.NET:
<...> Their babbling about Moses getting his
tablets from the Canaanite volcano god Yahweh on mount Sinai and
all that other bible BS have no bearing upon moral
decision-making.
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God" what
did he find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
Well gee, isn't that special? I wonder why they did that? Hmmm, I
wonder why they would worship that cute little golden cow?
It's a very interesting story, isn't it. After the Israelites had
survived the 10 plagues God sent to get them out of Egypt, seen Moses
part the Red Sea and drown the Egyptian army, and actually heard the
voice of God from the clouds, they decide that they can make a better
god than that themselves. They were not very impressed by Jahve, were
they?
There are contradictions in the Bible that are of course troublesome,
e.g. Judas dying in two explicitly different ways. It's these
metacontradictions, if you will, like the Golden Calf story that do in
the religion for me. God creates the whole universe out of nothing,
performs unimaginable wonders in front of people, and yet the Bible is
just one story after another like this one. Fast forward to Jesus
telling us that He won't be providing any signs, this right smack in
the middle of the Big Golden Book of Signs from God. The Almighty
could use a good editor.
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02 Apr 2007 12:01:18 AM |
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On Feb 24, 9:22 am, Lisbeth Andersson <lis...@bredband.net> wrote:
Well, the Eve and Adam story is another example of people who had med
God and were not impressed. They decided that a talking snake was more
reliable than God.
If you read the story carefully, you'll see that the
talking snake *was* more reliable than their god.
Interesting that, in a religion based on faith and
trust, the very first time in their myth that it
mattered their god lied to his creation and the
creature of evil told the truth.
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Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Lisbeth Andersson" |
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04 Apr 2007 10:23:36 AM |
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wrote in
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On Feb 24, 9:22 am, Lisbeth Andersson <lis...@bredband.net>
wrote:
Well, the Eve and Adam story is another example of people who
had med God and were not impressed. They decided that a talking
snake was more reliable than God.
If you read the story carefully,
Or if you read it not so carefully without any previous ideas about
what it should say. :-)
you'll see that the
talking snake *was* more reliable than their god.
Interesting that, in a religion based on faith and
trust, the very first time in their myth that it
mattered their god lied to his creation and the
creature of evil told the truth.
The religion in the OT is really very different from most christian
versions today. I don't think there was much faith and trust involved
when that story were first invented and/or written down.
Lisbeth.
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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24 Feb 2007 08:30:34 PM |
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On Feb 24, 9:22 pm, Lisbeth Andersson <lis...@bredband.net> wrote:
"the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote innews:1542$45dfaeac$4088c657$12002@EVERESTKC.NET:
<...> Their babbling about Moses getting his
tablets from the Canaanite volcano god Yahweh on mount Sinai and
all that other bible BS have no bearing upon moral
decision-making.
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God" what
did he find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
Well gee, isn't that special? I wonder why they did that? Hmmm, I
wonder why they would worship that cute little golden cow?
It's a very interesting story, isn't it. After the Israelites had
survived the 10 plagues God sent to get them out of Egypt, seen Moses
part the Red Sea and drown the Egyptian army, and actually heard the
voice of God from the clouds, they decide that they can make a better
god than that themselves. They were not very impressed by Jahve, were
they?
Kind of kills the argument that if people had evidence of God they
would not have any free will.
I wonder, could it be.....SATAN?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?
<....>
Well, the Eve and Adam story is another example of people who had med
God and were not impressed. They decided that a talking snake was more
reliable than God.
The talking snake was a representation of the Sumerian god Enki who
was supposed to have granted the Sumerians medical knowledge. (To
this day, a snake around a stick is the symbol for medicine.) The
Hebrews hated the Sumerians, probably because they were slaves under
them. [ 1)The Bible claims that the Hebrews were slaves under the
Egyptians and ancient Egypt was almost certainly a Sumerian colony.
2) The Bible identifies Abraham as coming from Sumer. 3) The Tigris
and Euphrates rivers of Sumer are mentioned in the Adam and Eve
myth. ] The myth of the Tower of Babel is another example of Hebrew
hatred of Sumer culture: to this day to "babble" means to speak
nonsense. In both myths, people were either trying to obtain
knowledge (from the tree of knowledge) or use techonology to reach
Heaven (with a tower) and God got angry and stopped them. Apparently
trying to better oneself is bad according to ancient Hebrew thinking,
this being because the Sumerians developed scientific knowledge and
built cities and Hebrews considered all thing Sumer to be bad (except
for the Sumerian god Anu who the Hebrews called Yehweh: He was great).
You know, if the World Trade Centre had been in ancient Sumer and
there existed airplanes at the time that could crash into it and bring
it down then the ancient Hebrews would have said that God was behind
it and that the "towers" were brought down by God to spite men who had
such hubris to build such tall towers in the first place. That's the
mentality of the people who wrote the Bible: it's the exact sort of
mentality that most Ameticans condemn today!
Martin
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| User: "the_Host" |
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25 Feb 2007 09:27:49 AM |
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"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 24, 9:22 pm, Lisbeth Andersson <lis...@bredband.net> wrote:
"the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote
innews:1542$45dfaeac$4088c657$12002@EVERESTKC.NET:
<...> Their babbling about Moses getting his
tablets from the Canaanite volcano god Yahweh on mount Sinai and
all that other bible BS have no bearing upon moral
decision-making.
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God" what
did he find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
Well gee, isn't that special? I wonder why they did that? Hmmm, I
wonder why they would worship that cute little golden cow?
It's a very interesting story, isn't it. After the Israelites had
survived the 10 plagues God sent to get them out of Egypt, seen Moses
part the Red Sea and drown the Egyptian army, and actually heard the
voice of God from the clouds, they decide that they can make a better
god than that themselves. They were not very impressed by Jahve, were
they?
Kind of kills the argument that if people had evidence of God they
would not have any free will.
I wonder, could it be.....SATAN?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?
<....>
Well, the Eve and Adam story is another example of people who had med
God and were not impressed. They decided that a talking snake was more
reliable than God.
The talking snake was a representation of the Sumerian god Enki who
was supposed to have granted the Sumerians medical knowledge. (To
this day, a snake around a stick is the symbol for medicine.) The
Hebrews hated the Sumerians, probably because they were slaves under
them. [ 1)The Bible claims that the Hebrews were slaves under the
Egyptians and ancient Egypt was almost certainly a Sumerian colony.
2) The Bible identifies Abraham as coming from Sumer. 3) The Tigris
and Euphrates rivers of Sumer are mentioned in the Adam and Eve
myth. ] The myth of the Tower of Babel is another example of Hebrew
hatred of Sumer culture: to this day to "babble" means to speak
nonsense. In both myths, people were either trying to obtain
knowledge (from the tree of knowledge) or use techonology to reach
Heaven (with a tower) and God got angry and stopped them. Apparently
trying to better oneself is bad according to ancient Hebrew thinking,
this being because the Sumerians developed scientific knowledge and
built cities and Hebrews considered all thing Sumer to be bad (except
for the Sumerian god Anu who the Hebrews called Yehweh: He was great).
Apparently you have never given a loaded gun to a chimpanzee.
Go ahead, try it out one of these days, I'm sure you will get a "bang" out
of it...
You are so damn stupid I feel sorry for you.
So I'll do you a favor and expose another truth so that maybe your retarded
atheshit belief will be washed away...
Does bettering oneself mean making Nukes? You know, nuclear bombs? Was that
another one of Man's great inventions?
Think hard, you know you are up against the wall on this one...
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the_Host wrote:
"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1172370634.210412.265380@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 24, 9:22 pm, Lisbeth Andersson <lis...@bredband.net> wrote:
"the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote
innews:1542$45dfaeac$4088c657$12002@EVERESTKC.NET:
<...> Their babbling about Moses getting his
tablets from the Canaanite volcano god Yahweh on mount Sinai and
all that other bible BS have no bearing upon moral
decision-making.
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God" what
did he find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
Well gee, isn't that special? I wonder why they did that? Hmmm, I
wonder why they would worship that cute little golden cow?
It's a very interesting story, isn't it. After the Israelites had
survived the 10 plagues God sent to get them out of Egypt, seen Moses
part the Red Sea and drown the Egyptian army, and actually heard the
voice of God from the clouds, they decide that they can make a better
god than that themselves. They were not very impressed by Jahve, were
they?
Kind of kills the argument that if people had evidence of God they
would not have any free will.
I wonder, could it be.....SATAN?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?
<....>
Well, the Eve and Adam story is another example of people who had med
God and were not impressed. They decided that a talking snake was more
reliable than God.
The talking snake was a representation of the Sumerian god Enki who
was supposed to have granted the Sumerians medical knowledge. (To
this day, a snake around a stick is the symbol for medicine.) The
Hebrews hated the Sumerians, probably because they were slaves under
them. [ 1)The Bible claims that the Hebrews were slaves under the
Egyptians and ancient Egypt was almost certainly a Sumerian colony.
2) The Bible identifies Abraham as coming from Sumer. 3) The Tigris
and Euphrates rivers of Sumer are mentioned in the Adam and Eve
myth. ] The myth of the Tower of Babel is another example of Hebrew
hatred of Sumer culture: to this day to "babble" means to speak
nonsense. In both myths, people were either trying to obtain
knowledge (from the tree of knowledge) or use techonology to reach
Heaven (with a tower) and God got angry and stopped them. Apparently
trying to better oneself is bad according to ancient Hebrew thinking,
this being because the Sumerians developed scientific knowledge and
built cities and Hebrews considered all thing Sumer to be bad (except
for the Sumerian god Anu who the Hebrews called Yehweh: He was great).
Apparently you have never given a loaded gun to a chimpanzee.
Go ahead, try it out one of these days, I'm sure you will get a "bang" out
of it...
You are so damn stupid I feel sorry for you.
So I'll do you a favor and expose another truth so that maybe your retarded
atheshit belief will be washed away...
Does bettering oneself mean making Nukes? You know, nuclear bombs? Was that
another one of Man's great inventions?
Think hard, you know you are up against the wall on this one...
Host
It's ironic that this thread is about morals, and here's host,
displaying exactly the kind of morals we don't want.
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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24 Feb 2007 08:37:07 PM |
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On Feb 24, 9:22 pm, Lisbeth Andersson <lis...@bredband.net> wrote:
"the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote innews:1542$45dfaeac$4088c657$12002@EVERESTKC.NET:
<...> Their babbling about Moses getting his
tablets from the Canaanite volcano god Yahweh on mount Sinai and
all that other bible BS have no bearing upon moral
decision-making.
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God" what
did he find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
Well gee, isn't that special? I wonder why they did that? Hmmm, I
wonder why they would worship that cute little golden cow?
It's a very interesting story, isn't it. After the Israelites had
survived the 10 plagues God sent to get them out of Egypt, seen Moses
part the Red Sea and drown the Egyptian army, and actually heard the
voice of God from the clouds, they decide that they can make a better
god than that themselves. They were not very impressed by Jahve, were
they?
Kind of kills the argument that if people had evidence of God they
would not have any free will.
It kills the argument that there was anything miraculous about the
Exodus because after all those miracles that were _supposed_ to have
happened, people were still praising Baal over Yehweh. It also proves
once again that the Hebrews must have originally came from Sumer
because Yehweh and Baal were apparently both competing for praise in
their head, just as they did before in Sumer. Incidentally, Sumer is
located in modern day Iraq, which part of the Arab homeland and Arabs
and Hebrews are both Semites which again indicates that they came from
the same place.
Martin
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24 Feb 2007 12:03:10 AM |
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In article <1542$45dfaeac$4088c657$12002@EVERESTKC.NET>,
the_Host@everywhere.net says...
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God" what did he
find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
They hadn't been given commandments forbidding it, shitfuck. You appear
to have forgotten that detail. But that doesn't stop Moses from
conducting mass-murder against his own people.
In any event, the Hebrews continued to worship the image of a bull (both
literally and figuratively) in their temple for many centuries afterward.
It represented aspects of the thunder god baal, who was another jealous
competitor in the local pantheon. God is referred to as "The Bull of
Isaac" (and he certainly was *****).
Well gee, isn't that special?
Just like the tree of knowledge of good and evil *****, where they
didn't know good and evil until after they had eaten, how can you expect
people to know that Yahweh had an inferiority complex and self-esteem
issues until after Moses brought down his pathetic forgeries?
I wonder why they did that?
They didn't. It's a *bull****** metaphor. It describes the religion of
competitors in the region. The belief that gods incarnated in animals
like bulls goes back thousands of years in the region to the Sumerian
religion, for example. The Hebrews had little originality.
Hmmm, I wonder why
they would worship that cute little golden cow?
Hey, at least you can actually see and touch a golden cow, unlike the
imaginary god they would later invent.
I wonder, could it
be.....SATAN?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?
No such thing as that either. Anyway, why would it be a sin to worship
another god when they hadn't yet received formal commandments forbidding
it?
hahaha lol!
Now if grown adults are so stupid to worship an idol, I would say they
needed some special attention or guidance.
I agree, which is why you need to stop worshipping your theistic idols.
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
Your argument is flawed.
How so?
Answer one question:
OK.
When someone has a kid, does someone throw the kid outdoors and say, "Use
your brain. You're on your own."?
That seems to be what Yahweh did with Adam and Eve, throwing them into
the garden to fend for themselves, without even a knowledge of good and
evil. He condemned them for thinking for themselves and testing the
faulty information he furnished them.
No, at least not responsible parents.
Your god myth is the biggest dead-beat dad in the universe.
So it is with Jesus.
There was no such actual religious figure.
He taught people certain truths
That's why you can't name any apparently.
so that we could learn
the easy way instead of the hard way.
What did he teach them? That spitting on dirt and rubbing it in a blind
man's eyes would cure his sight? That we shouldn't worry about
tomorrow because the Lard will provide? That we needed to be kind to
each other, even though this was already taught in the Old Testament and
by previous cultures far before his time?
Just using one's brain is not going to get someone very far.
Certainly not in your case. However, the rest of us are quite
comfortable using rationality to guide our behavior. Why are you such a
coward that you refuse to even try it?
If one knows it all, then why go to college?
If the bible has all the answers, why bother to learn anything new at
all? Why bother to do anything at all, if you can just pray for god to
magic it to you? Why try to accomplish anything, when an omniscient,
omnipotent god has already figured out everything worth knowing and done
everything worth doing?
This is why the "I believe in myself" argument is worthless.
Again, perhaps in your case, that's a justified sentiment. However, the
rest of us have actual knowledge and skill in which we can credibly
believe. Humans are clever, hairless monkeys. We got to where we are by
our wits alone, though some like you didn't progress as far down the
evolutionary tree branch.
Nobody knows it
all, so we share info.
Yep and that's called humanistic science. No god is involved.
This is why Jesus shared info:
He contributed nothing of definite value and little that could even be
called original.
So the little children of God could be well
prepared for the obstacles ahead.
His idiot musings and fortune-cookie nonsense didn't prepare anyone for
anything other than preparing priests to fleece a gullible flock with his
flim flam.
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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24 Feb 2007 08:12:58 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:03:10 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <1542$45dfaeac$4088c657$12002@EVERESTKC.NET>,
the_Host@everywhere.net says...
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God" what did he
find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
They hadn't been given commandments forbidding it, shitfuck.
But YOU have, quib.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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24 Feb 2007 09:08:07 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:huh0u2h5hgu3al1lidstgkpsuph37fqjhb@4ax.com...
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:03:10 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In article <1542$45dfaeac$4088c657$12002@EVERESTKC.NET>,
the_Host@everywhere.net says...
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God" what did
he
find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
They hadn't been given commandments forbidding it, shitfuck.
But YOU have, quib.
I know. And they have the nerve to call ME a psychopath...
H.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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24 Feb 2007 01:02:56 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:08:07 -0600, "the_Host" <the_Host@everywhere.net> wrote:
They hadn't been given commandments forbidding it, shitfuck.
But YOU have, quib.
I know. And they have the nerve to call ME a psychopath...
quib is last or 2nd last on the bottom.
H.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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24 Feb 2007 09:00:03 PM |
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On Feb 25, 3:02 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:08:07 -0600, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
They hadn't been given commandments forbidding it, shitfuck.
But YOU have, quib.
I know. And they have the nerve to call ME a psychopath...
quib is last or 2nd last on the bottom.
Another theist with an anal fixation...
Martin
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25 Feb 2007 08:23:16 AM |
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On 24 Feb 2007 19:00:03 -0800, "Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Feb 25, 3:02 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:08:07 -0600, "the_Host" <the_H...@everywhere.net> wrote:
They hadn't been given commandments forbidding it, shitfuck.
But YOU have, quib.
I know. And they have the nerve to call ME a psychopath...
quib is last or 2nd last on the bottom.
Another theist with an anal fixation...
Martin
No, quib is moving downward on the list of the most ignorant atheist wannabe's
on the ng.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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24 Feb 2007 09:05:36 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:03:10 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <1542$45dfaeac$4088c657$12002@EVERESTKC.NET>,
the_Host@everywhere.net says...
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God" what did he
find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
They hadn't been given commandments forbidding it, shitfuck.
But YOU have, quib.
No one's under any obligation to obey your commandments, Earl. (The only
thing the "Church" was interested in, and has been from the beginning, is
power over everyone else. When the RCC starts living in the real world, maybe
the funny man in a dress will deserve being heard.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Iowa 3, Houston 2 (SO) (February 23)
NEXT GAME: Sunday, February 25 vs. Milwaukee, 5:05
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24 Feb 2007 08:11:42 PM |
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szk3b4vh9z3.fsf@eris.io.com...
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:03:10 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In article <1542$45dfaeac$4088c657$12002@EVERESTKC.NET>,
the_Host@everywhere.net says...
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God" what did
he
find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
They hadn't been given commandments forbidding it, shitfuck.
But YOU have, quib.
No one's under any obligation to obey your commandments, Earl. (The only
thing the "Church" was interested in, and has been from the beginning, is
power over everyone else. When the RCC starts living in the real world,
maybe
the funny man in a dress will deserve being heard.)
Maybe that is what the church is interested in, but have you ever wondered
why there are a million churches?
The churches have a bad history of misrepresenting the Word of Jesus, which
came from the Heavenly Father.
Churches are subject to politics too.
The real church is the temple of your body, which contains your conscience,
which is your direct connection to the conscience of the Universe, the
Heavenly Father.
The Universe has a conscience, and your conscience is connected to it.
That is if you haven't killed it yet...
God KNOWS you are trying.
Or do you even recognize yourself for what you are?
A child of "God"?
Go ahead, say it, and realize your true self.
Unfortunately you will probably just make fun of me though. It is, I AM
sure, much more fun...
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24 Feb 2007 01:01:51 PM |
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On 24 Feb 2007 09:05:36 -0600, The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote:
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God" what did he
find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
They hadn't been given commandments forbidding it, shitfuck.
But YOU have, quib.
No one's under any obligation to obey your commandments, Earl.
Sorry, west loop, I'm not your God, but your God has forbid you to worship other
gods. Pay attention now. It's your soul in jeopardy.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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24 Feb 2007 08:58:31 PM |
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On Feb 25, 3:01 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On 24 Feb 2007 09:05:36 -0600, The Chief Instigator <patr...@eris.io.com> wrote:
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God" what did he
find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
They hadn't been given commandments forbidding it, shitfuck.
But YOU have, quib.
No one's under any obligation to obey your commandments, Earl.
Sorry, west loop, I'm not your God, but your God has forbid you to worship other
gods. Pay attention now. It's your soul in jeopardy.
You have no soul. You apparently have very little mind left either.
Such is the price of a lifetime of theism.
Theism kills brain cells.
Martin
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24 Feb 2007 09:08:59 PM |
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"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> writes:
On Feb 25, 3:01 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On 24 Feb 2007 09:05:36 -0600, The Chief Instigator <patr...@eris.io.com> wrote:
Uh huh. And when Moses came back down from the "Volcano God" what did he
find the people doing?
Worshipping a golden cow.
They hadn't been given commandments forbidding it, shitfuck.
But YOU have, quib.
No one's under any obligation to obey your commandments, Earl.
Sorry, west loop, I'm not your God, but your God has forbid you to worship
other gods. Pay attention now. It's your soul in jeopardy.
You have no soul. You apparently have very little mind left either.
Such is the price of a lifetime of theism.
Theism kills brain cells.
In Earl's case, i think it was a night or ten too many at the neighborhood
Waffle House...;-)
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Iowa 3, Houston 2 (SO) (February 23)
NEXT GAME: Sunday, February 25 vs. Milwaukee, 5:05
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25 Feb 2007 08:22:02 AM |
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On 24 Feb 2007 18:58:31 -0800, "Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry, west loop, I'm not your God, but your God has forbid you to worship other
gods. Pay attention now. It's your soul in jeopardy.
You have no soul. You apparently have very little mind left either.
Such is the price of a lifetime of theism.
Theism kills brain cells.
Why do you feel that? You have exactly zero support for your beliefs.
I'm the intelligent one, not you.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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26 Feb 2007 09:13:57 PM |
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On Feb 25, 10:22 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On 24 Feb 2007 18:58:31 -0800, "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry, west loop, I'm not your God, but your God has forbid you to worship other
gods. Pay attention now. It's your soul in jeopardy.
You have no soul. You apparently have very little mind left either.
Such is the price of a lifetime of theism.
Theism kills brain cells.
Why do you feel that? You have exactly zero support for your beliefs.
The onus of proof is on you, duke. Scientific theories describe the
universe perfectly well. The onus is on you to prove that there is
anything beyond what can be explained by science.
I'm the intelligent one, not you.
Apparently not.
Martin
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27 Feb 2007 12:32:20 AM |
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On 26 Feb 2007 19:13:57 -0800, "Martin Phipps"
<martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1172546037.786739.88130@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
On Feb 25, 10:22 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On 24 Feb 2007 18:58:31 -0800, "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry, west loop, I'm not your God, but your God has forbid you to worship other
gods. Pay attention now. It's your soul in jeopardy.
You have no soul. You apparently have very little mind left either.
Such is the price of a lifetime of theism.
Theism kills brain cells.
Why do you feel that? You have exactly zero support for your beliefs.
The onus of proof is on you, duke. Scientific theories describe the
universe perfectly well. The onus is on you to prove that there is
anything beyond what can be explained by science.
I'm the intelligent one, not you.
I laughed out loud when I read that!! :D
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27 Feb 2007 12:44:07 AM |
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Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> writes:
On 26 Feb 2007 19:13:57 -0800, "Martin Phipps"
<martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1172546037.786739.88130@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
On Feb 25, 10:22 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On 24 Feb 2007 18:58:31 -0800, "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry, west loop, I'm not your God, but your God has forbid you to
worship other gods. Pay attention now. It's your soul in jeopardy.
You have no soul. You apparently have very little mind left either.
Such is the price of a lifetime of theism.
Theism kills brain cells.
Why do you feel that? You have exactly zero support for your beliefs.
The onus of proof is on you, duke. Scientific theories describe the
universe perfectly well. The onus is on you to prove that there is
anything beyond what can be explained by science.
I'm the intelligent one, not you.
I laughed out loud when I read that!! :D
Irony completely eludes Earl Weber, as it has for a few decades by now.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 3, Houston 1 (February 25)
NEXT GAME: Friday, March 2 at Omaha, 7:05
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27 Feb 2007 02:51:53 AM |
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On 27 Feb 2007 00:44:07 -0600, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@fnord.io.com> wrote:
- Refer: <szkvehoaymg.fsf@fnord.io.com>
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> writes:
On 26 Feb 2007 19:13:57 -0800, "Martin Phipps"
<martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1172546037.786739.88130@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
On Feb 25, 10:22 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On 24 Feb 2007 18:58:31 -0800, "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry, west loop, I'm not your God, but your God has forbid you to
worship other gods. Pay attention now. It's your soul in jeopardy.
You have no soul. You apparently have very little mind left either.
Such is the price of a lifetime of theism.
Theism kills brain cells.
Why do you feel that? You have exactly zero support for your beliefs.
The onus of proof is on you, duke. Scientific theories describe the
universe perfectly well. The onus is on you to prove that there is
anything beyond what can be explained by science.
I'm the intelligent one, not you.
I laughed out loud when I read that!! :D
Irony completely eludes Earl Weber, as it has for a few decades by now.
Perhaps he should be hit with something irony?
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27 Feb 2007 10:11:53 AM |
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Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> writes:
On 27 Feb 2007 00:44:07 -0600, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@fnord.io.com> wrote:
- Refer: <szkvehoaymg.fsf@fnord.io.com>
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> writes:
On 26 Feb 2007 19:13:57 -0800, "Martin Phipps"
<martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1172546037.786739.88130@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
On Feb 25, 10:22 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On 24 Feb 2007 18:58:31 -0800, "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry, west loop, I'm not your God, but your God has forbid you to
worship other gods. Pay attention now. It's your soul in jeopardy.
You have no soul. You apparently have very little mind left either.
Such is the price of a lifetime of theism.
Theism kills brain cells.
Why do you feel that? You have exactly zero support for your beliefs.
The onus of proof is on you, duke. Scientific theories describe the
universe perfectly well. The onus is on you to prove that there is
anything beyond what can be explained by science.
I'm the intelligent one, not you.
I laughed out loud when I read that!! :D
Irony completely eludes Earl Weber, as it has for a few decades by now.
Perhaps he should be hit with something irony?
If he's taken a walk around the neighborhood he entertains, he's probably
already been hit a few times...which might not be enough.
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 3, Houston 1 (February 25)
NEXT GAME: Friday, March 2 at Omaha, 7:05
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