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"Brian Westley" |
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12 Mar 2007 10:39:20 AM |
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CA Rep. Pete Stark is a nontheist |
http://www.secular.org/news/pete_stark_070312.html
Congressman Holds No God-Belief
Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) is first Congress member in history to
acknowledge his nontheism
For Immediate Release
Contact: Lori Lipman Brown, (202) 299-1091
March 12, 2007
There is only one member of Congress who is on record as not holding a
god-belief.
Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.), a member of Congress since 1973,
acknowledged his nontheism in response to an inquiry by the Secular
Coalition for America (www.secular.org ). Rep. Stark is a senior
member of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee and is Chair of
the Health Subcommittee.
Although the Constitution prohibits religious tests for public office,
the Coalition's research reveals that Rep. Stark is the first open
nontheist in the history of the Congress. Recent polls show that
Americans without a god-belief are, as a group, more distrusted than
any other minority in America. Surveys show that the majority of
Americans would not vote for an atheist for president even if he or
she were the most qualified for the office.
Herb Silverman, president of the Secular Coalition for America,
attributes these attitudes to the demonization of people who don't
believe in God. "The truth is," says Silverman, "the vast majority of
us follow the Golden Rule and are as likely to be good citizens, just
like Rep. Stark with over 30 years of exemplary public service. The
only way to counter the prejudice against nontheists is for more
people to publicly identify as nontheists. Rep. Stark shows remarkable
courage in being the first member of Congress to do so."
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12 Mar 2007 11:51:11 AM |
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Brian Westley wrote:
http://www.secular.org/news/pete_stark_070312.html
Congressman Holds No God-Belief
Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) is first Congress member in history to
acknowledge his nontheism
Nontheism? I hate that word, but I guess that just goes over better in
the US than atheism.
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L. Raymond
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13 Mar 2007 05:55:46 PM |
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In article <txvgowcgwixl$.1uidyomai5pn2$.dlg@40tude.net>,
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
http://www.secular.org/news/pete_stark_070312.html
Congressman Holds No God-Belief
Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) is first Congress member in history to
acknowledge his nontheism
Nontheism? I hate that word, but I guess that just goes over better in
the US than atheism.
Stark is a Unitarian Universalist, a religion without a creed or dogma.
Some members believe in a personal god, some like Stark don't. Here's a
little more on UUism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism
I suppose that people in the church can call themselves whatever they
want.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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13 Mar 2007 07:38:55 PM |
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johac wrote:
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Nontheism? I hate that word, but I guess that just goes over better in
the US than atheism.
Stark is a Unitarian Universalist, a religion without a creed or dogma.
Some members believe in a personal god, some like Stark don't. Here's a
little more on UUism:
I don't care who's using it. I'm familiar with the UU people, which
doesn't change the fact I dislike a new word's being coined because of
negative press associated with the old one.
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L. Raymond
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| User: "johac" |
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14 Mar 2007 12:35:41 AM |
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In article <1zmwxlqo5l34$.nskb19rtazj9$.dlg@40tude.net>,
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Nontheism? I hate that word, but I guess that just goes over better in
the US than atheism.
Stark is a Unitarian Universalist, a religion without a creed or dogma.
Some members believe in a personal god, some like Stark don't. Here's a
little more on UUism:
I don't care who's using it. I'm familiar with the UU people, which
doesn't change the fact I dislike a new word's being coined because of
negative press associated with the old one.
Many of the press references today are referring to him as an atheist.
For example:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,,-6478800,00.html
I don't know how the 'nontheist' business started, but as far as I'm
concerned if he doesn't believe in god, he's an atheist.
Here's a reference to nontheism:
"The word nontheism is often employed as a blanket term for all terms
which are not theistic and yet somehow related to spirituality,
including atheism (both strong and weak) and agnosticism, as well as
certain Eastern religions like Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism."
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Nontheism
I don't think that many atheists are spiritual so I would question their
inclusion.
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John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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14 Mar 2007 06:41:05 PM |
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johac <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> writes:
In article <1zmwxlqo5l34$.nskb19rtazj9$.dlg@40tude.net>,
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Nontheism? I hate that word, but I guess that just goes over better in
the US than atheism.
Stark is a Unitarian Universalist, a religion without a creed or dogma.
Some members believe in a personal god, some like Stark don't. Here's a
little more on UUism:
I don't care who's using it. I'm familiar with the UU people, which
doesn't change the fact I dislike a new word's being coined because of
negative press associated with the old one.
This happens all the time; a term used to refer to a widely
disparaged minority becomes associated with disparagement.
colored/negro/black, etc.
Many of the press references today are referring to him as an atheist.
For example:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,,-6478800,00.html
I don't know how the 'nontheist' business started, but as far as I'm
concerned if he doesn't believe in god, he's an atheist.
SCA's questionnaire used the term:
http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/03/12/what-exactly-is-congressman-stark/
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Merlyn LeRoy
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15 Mar 2007 12:52:47 AM |
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In article <12vh20hrr36js50@corp.supernews.com>,
Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote:
johac <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> writes:
In article <1zmwxlqo5l34$.nskb19rtazj9$.dlg@40tude.net>,
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Nontheism? I hate that word, but I guess that just goes over better in
the US than atheism.
Stark is a Unitarian Universalist, a religion without a creed or dogma.
Some members believe in a personal god, some like Stark don't. Here's a
little more on UUism:
I don't care who's using it. I'm familiar with the UU people, which
doesn't change the fact I dislike a new word's being coined because of
negative press associated with the old one.
This happens all the time; a term used to refer to a widely
disparaged minority becomes associated with disparagement.
colored/negro/black, etc.
Many of the press references today are referring to him as an atheist.
For example:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,,-6478800,00.html
I don't know how the 'nontheist' business started, but as far as I'm
concerned if he doesn't believe in god, he's an atheist.
SCA's questionnaire used the term:
http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/03/12/what-exactly-is-congressman-stark/
I suppose one can call one's self what one wants to. I'm an atheist and
would never use the term nontheist, even though I suppose it's
technically correct.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
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John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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12 Mar 2007 11:01:10 AM |
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L. Raymond wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
http://www.secular.org/news/pete_stark_070312.html
Congressman Holds No God-Belief
Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) is first Congress member in history to
acknowledge his nontheism
Nontheism? I hate that word, but I guess that just goes over better in
the US than atheism.
maybe it's ok to be a nontheist....just so long as you're not an
atheist!
(does it really matter that they mean the same thing?)
I wonder if the mainstream US media will pick up this non-news story.
Jim
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13 Mar 2007 01:10:51 AM |
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In article <1173715270.331951.298350@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>,
"J Forbes" <jforbnospam@selectric.org> wrote:
L. Raymond wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
http://www.secular.org/news/pete_stark_070312.html
Congressman Holds No God-Belief
Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) is first Congress member in history to
acknowledge his nontheism
Nontheism? I hate that word, but I guess that just goes over better in
the US than atheism.
maybe it's ok to be a nontheist....just so long as you're not an
atheist!
(does it really matter that they mean the same thing?)
I wonder if the mainstream US media will pick up this non-news story.
Jim
It made the LA Times:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-atheist13mar13,0,700
8061.story?coll=la-home-headlines
or
http://tinyurl.com/yvks7y
Secular groups applaud congressman's beliefs
By Adam Schreck
Times Staff Writer
4:44 PM PDT, March 12, 2007
WASHINGTON -- Cue the jokes about "godless politicians" and "Bay Area
liberals."
Secular groups Monday applauded a public acknowledgment by Rep. Pete
Stark that he does not believe in a supreme being, making the Fremont,
Calif., Democrat the first member of Congress -- and highest-ranking
elected official -- to acknowledge publicly not believing in God.
The American Humanist Association planned to take out an ad in the
Washington Post on Tuesday congratulating the congressman for his public
stance and highlighting the contributions of other prominent secular
humanists, such as writers Barbara Ehrenreich and Kurt Vonnegut, and
actress Julia Sweeney.
Fred Edwords, a spokesman for the group, said "nontheistic" Americans
often face discrimination for their views.
"So often throughout American history, people who are nontheistic or
don't believe in a supreme being can't get elected to public office or,
if they inform the public of their view, they don't get re-elected," he
said. "We're trying to increase the acceptance of nontheists as every
bit as American as everybody else."
Stark's declaration came in response to a search by the Secular
Coalition for America to find the most prominent non-believing
politician.
The advocacy group, which according to its Website calls for extending
"religious tolerance . . . to people of all religions and to those
without religious beliefs," offered a $1,000 prize to the person who
could identify the "highest level atheist, agnostic, humanist or any
other kind of nontheist currently holding elected public office in the
United States."
A member of American Atheists in California nominated Stark.
Ron Millar, associate director of the Secular Coalition for America,
said the group wanted to highlight the difficulty politicians have
taking a public stance on non-belief. He said members were "pleasantly
surprised" with Stark's candor.
"We didn't think we'd have any member of Congress come forward," Millar
said. The other finalists included school board members from Berkeley,
Calif., and Franklin, Maine, and a town meeting member from Arlington,
Mass.
Stark, who has served in Congress since 1973 and chairs the health
subcommittee of the House Ways and Means Committee, clarified his views
in an e-mailed statement.
"When the Secular Coalition asked me to complete a survey on my
religious beliefs, I indicated I am a Unitarian who does not believe in
a supreme being," Stark said. "Like our nation's founders, I strongly
support the separation of church and state. I look forward to working
with the Secular Coalition to stop the promotion of narrow religious
beliefs in science, marriage contracts, the military and the provision
of social services."
Unitarian Universalism describes itself as creedless, meaning that it
has no underlying authoritative statement of religious belief. While
some members believe in God, not all do.
A USA Today/Gallup poll last month found that only 45 percent of
respondents said they would vote for a "well qualified" presidential
candidate who was an atheist. Ninety-five percent said they would vote
for a Catholic candidate, 92 percent a Jewish candidate and 72 percent a
Mormon candidate.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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13 Mar 2007 09:37:42 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <1173715270.331951.298350@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>,
"J Forbes" <jforbnospam@selectric.org> wrote:
I wonder if the mainstream US media will pick up this non-news story.
Jim
It made the LA Times:
I saw that last night, and posted, but google was having problems and
my post never showed up...thanks for posting!
Jim
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13 Mar 2007 05:40:59 PM |
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In article <1173796662.205563.252840@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>,
"J Forbes" <jforbnospam@selectric.org> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <1173715270.331951.298350@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>,
"J Forbes" <jforbnospam@selectric.org> wrote:
I wonder if the mainstream US media will pick up this non-news story.
Jim
It made the LA Times:
I saw that last night, and posted, but google was having problems and
my post never showed up...thanks for posting!
You're welcome. It made the New York Times today also.
Jim
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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12 Mar 2007 10:14:18 PM |
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J Forbes wrote:
I wonder if the mainstream US media will pick up this non-news story.
to partly answer my question, the LA Times did....
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-atheist13mar13,0,7008061.story?coll=la-home-headlines
"WASHINGTON -- Cue the jokes about "godless politicians" and "Bay Area
liberals."
Secular groups Monday applauded a public acknowledgment by Rep. Pete
Stark that he does not believe in a supreme being, making the Fremont,
Calif., Democrat the first member of Congress -- and highest-ranking
elected official -- to acknowledge publicly not believing in God.
The American Humanist Association planned to take out an ad in the
Washington Post on Tuesday congratulating the congressman for his
public stance and highlighting the contributions of other prominent
secular humanists, such as writers Barbara Ehrenreich and Kurt
Vonnegut, and actress Julia Sweeney.
Fred Edwords, a spokesman for the group, said "nontheistic" Americans
often face discrimination for their views.
"So often throughout American history, people who are nontheistic or
don't believe in a supreme being can't get elected to public office
or, if they inform the public of their view, they don't get re-
elected," he said. "We're trying to increase the acceptance of
nontheists as every bit as American as everybody else."
Stark's declaration came in response to a search by the Secular
Coalition for America to find the most prominent non-believing
politician.
The advocacy group, which according to its Website calls for extending
"religious tolerance . . . to people of all religions and to those
without religious beliefs," offered a $1,000 prize to the person who
could identify the "highest level atheist, agnostic, humanist or any
other kind of nontheist currently holding elected public office in the
United States."
A member of American Atheists in California nominated Stark.
Ron Millar, associate director of the Secular Coalition for America,
said the group wanted to highlight the difficulty politicians have
taking a public stance on non-belief. He said members were "pleasantly
surprised" with Stark's candor.
"We didn't think we'd have any member of Congress come forward,"
Millar said. The other finalists included school board members from
Berkeley, Calif., and Franklin, Maine, and a town meeting member from
Arlington, Mass.
Stark, who has served in Congress since 1973 and chairs the health
subcommittee of the House Ways and Means Committee, clarified his
views in an e-mailed statement.
"When the Secular Coalition asked me to complete a survey on my
religious beliefs, I indicated I am a Unitarian who does not believe
in a supreme being," Stark said. "Like our nation's founders, I
strongly support the separation of church and state. I look forward to
working with the Secular Coalition to stop the promotion of narrow
religious beliefs in science, marriage contracts, the military and the
provision of social services."
Unitarian Universalism describes itself as creedless, meaning that it
has no underlying authoritative statement of religious belief. While
some members believe in God, not all do.
A USA Today/Gallup poll last month found that only 45 percent of
respondents said they would vote for a "well qualified" presidential
candidate who was an atheist. Ninety-five percent said they would vote
for a Catholic candidate, 92 percent a Jewish candidate and 72 percent
a Mormon candidate."
Jim
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14 Mar 2007 08:54:29 PM |
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On Mar 12, 10:14 pm, "J Forbes" <jforbnos...@selectric.org> wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
I wonder if the mainstream US media will pick up this non-news story.
to partly answer my question, the LA Times did....
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-atheist13mar13,0...
This CBNNews page has a video:
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/119748.aspx
Atheist Congressman Honored
CBNNews.com
March 14, 2007
CBNNews.com - The American Humanist Association is honoring California
Congressman Pete Stark because he's an atheist.
The group put an ad in the Washington Post congratulating Stark.
The California Democrat tells The Associated Press that he's "a
Unitarian who does not believe in a Supreme Being."
Unitarian Universalism is creedless, allowing members to shape their
own beliefs.
Stark said, "I look forward to working with the Secular Coalition to
stop the promotion of narrow religious beliefs in science, marriage
contracts, the military and the provision of social services."
Stark's beliefs gained attention after the Secular Coalition for
America offered a $1,000 prize to the person who could identify the
"highest level atheist, agnostic, humanist or any other kind of non-
theist currently holding elected public office in the United States."
Sources: CBN News, Associated Press
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12 Mar 2007 06:00:09 PM |
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On Mar 12, 9:51 am, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
http://www.secular.org/news/pete_stark_070312.html
Congressman Holds No God-Belief
Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) is first Congress member in history to
acknowledge his nontheism
Nontheism? I hate that word, but I guess that just goes over better in
the US than atheism.
Yes. Unfortunately, the word "atheism" is inextricably linked to the
word "communism" in the U.S. My Lutheran mother used to become
extremely upset when I'd refer to myself as an atheist, because she
imagined that other people would suppose I was a commie.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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21 Mar 2007 10:47:18 PM |
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On 12 Mar 2007 16:00:09 -0700, "skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Mar 12, 9:51 am, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
http://www.secular.org/news/pete_stark_070312.html
Congressman Holds No God-Belief
Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) is first Congress member in history to
acknowledge his nontheism
Nontheism? I hate that word, but I guess that just goes over better in
the US than atheism.
Yes. Unfortunately, the word "atheism" is inextricably linked to the
word "communism" in the U.S. My Lutheran mother used to become
extremely upset when I'd refer to myself as an atheist, because she
imagined that other people would suppose I was a commie.
True. I had that programming myself. It wasn't until after I was on
this group for a time I found out differently.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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12 Mar 2007 02:11:42 PM |
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On Mar 12, 11:39 am, Brian Westley <west...@visi.com> wrote:
http://www.secular.org/news/pete_stark_070312.html
Congressman Holds No God-Belief
<snip>
.... Recent polls show that
Americans without a god-belief are, as a group, more distrusted than
any other minority in America. Surveys show that the majority of
Americans would not vote for an atheist for president even if he or
she were the most qualified for the office.
It is rare to see a news story involving atheism or even nontheism,
where some form of this tidbit of information isn't included.
I'd like to see every story regarding catholics include something
like,
"Catholics were the direct cause of the dark ages where arts and
sciences were forced to comply with church directives, stagnating
human advancement for hundreds of years. Adolf Hitler, an avowed
catholic, was responsible for WWII and the Holocaust, where a combined
total of over 12 million people were unnecessarily killed."
Ya know, just a little factoid to throw into the story.
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a.a. #2273
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14 Mar 2007 09:24:22 AM |
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"tirebiter" <dontspamme666@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:1173726702.193676.277450@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 12, 11:39 am, Brian Westley <west...@visi.com> wrote:
http://www.secular.org/news/pete_stark_070312.html
Congressman Holds No God-Belief
<snip>
.... Recent polls show that
Americans without a god-belief are, as a group, more distrusted than
any other minority in America. Surveys show that the majority of
Americans would not vote for an atheist for president even if he or
she were the most qualified for the office.
It is rare to see a news story involving atheism or even nontheism,
where some form of this tidbit of information isn't included.
I'd like to see every story regarding catholics include something
like,
"Catholics were the direct cause of the dark ages where arts and
sciences were forced to comply with church directives, stagnating
human advancement for hundreds of years. Adolf Hitler, an avowed
catholic, was responsible for WWII and the Holocaust, where a combined
total of over 12 million people were unnecessarily killed."
Ya know, just a little factoid to throw into the story.
Now now, baby steps ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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14 Mar 2007 10:14:43 AM |
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On Mar 12, 11:39 am, Brian Westley <west...@visi.com> wrote:
http://www.secular.org/news/pete_stark_070312.html
Congressman Holds No God-Belief
Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) is first Congress member in history to
acknowledge his nontheism
For Immediate Release
Contact: Lori Lipman Brown, (202) 299-1091
March 12, 2007
There is only one member of Congress who is on record as not holding a
god-belief.
Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.), a member of Congress since 1973,
acknowledged his nontheism in response to an inquiry by the Secular
Coalition for America (www.secular.org). Rep. Stark is a senior
member of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee and is Chair of
the Health Subcommittee.
Although the Constitution prohibits religious tests for public office,
the Coalition's research reveals that Rep. Stark is the first open
nontheist in the history of the Congress. Recent polls show that
Americans without a god-belief are, as a group, more distrusted than
any other minority in America. Surveys show that the majority of
Americans would not vote for an atheist for president even if he or
she were the most qualified for the office.
Herb Silverman, president of the Secular Coalition for America,
attributes these attitudes to the demonization of people who don't
believe in God. "The truth is," says Silverman, "the vast majority of
us follow the Golden Rule and are as likely to be good citizens, just
like Rep. Stark with over 30 years of exemplary public service. The
only way to counter the prejudice against nontheists is for more
people to publicly identify as nontheists. Rep. Stark shows remarkable
courage in being the first member of Congress to do so."
...
At least they didn't call him a thespian.
JohnN
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| Title: Re: CA Rep. Pete Stark is a nontheist |
12 Mar 2007 12:47:36 PM |
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On Mar 12, 11:39 am, Brian Westley <west...@visi.com> wrote:
http://www.secular.org/news/pete_stark_070312.html
Congressman Holds No God-Belief
Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) is first Congress member in history to
acknowledge his nontheism
For Immediate Release
Contact: Lori Lipman Brown, (202) 299-1091
March 12, 2007
There is only one member of Congress who is on record as not holding a
god-belief.
Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.), a member of Congress since 1973,
acknowledged his nontheism in response to an inquiry by the Secular
Coalition for America (www.secular.org). Rep. Stark is a senior
member of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee and is Chair of
the Health Subcommittee.
snippy
Thirty years in Congress. Chair of a committee. Hell of a lot to lose.
Now *that*, my friends is coming out of the closet!
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: CA Rep. Pete Stark is a nontheist |
12 Mar 2007 04:51:58 PM |
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In article <1173721656.626414.71430@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
Thirty years in Congress. Chair of a committee. Hell of a lot to lose.
Now *that*, my friends is coming out of the closet!
I wonder -- did this fellow participate in that display a while back
where "all members of Congress" gathered out on the steps of the Capitol
to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, in defiance of the Newdow verdict in
Cal?
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: CA Rep. Pete Stark is a nontheist |
12 Mar 2007 06:20:53 PM |
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*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> writes:
In article <1173721656.626414.71430@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
panamfloyd@hotmail.com wrote:
Thirty years in Congress. Chair of a committee. Hell of a lot to lose.
Now *that*, my friends is coming out of the closet!
I wonder -- did this fellow participate in that display a while back
where "all members of Congress" gathered out on the steps of the Capitol
to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, in defiance of the Newdow verdict in
Cal?
He's consistently against mixing church & state:
http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/pledge3.htm
....
In the hours following the Ninth Circuit ruling, Washington solons
stormed out on the steps of the Capitol Building for a staged media
event which included a loud recitation of the Pledge, with special
emphasis on the "under God" portion. It was then time to head inside for
a frantic round of resolutions condemning the decision. In the House of
Representatives, only three members stood firm on behalf of separation
of church and state. They were: Reps. Bobby Scott (D-Virginia), Mike
Honda (D-CA.) and Pete Stark (D-CA.).
....
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: CA Rep. Pete Stark is a nontheist |
13 Mar 2007 02:21:25 AM |
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In article <12vbo2limuhit10@corp.supernews.com>,
Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote:
He's consistently against mixing church & state:
http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/pledge3.htm
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In the hours following the Ninth Circuit ruling, Washington solons
stormed out on the steps of the Capitol Building for a staged media
event which included a loud recitation of the Pledge, with special
emphasis on the "under God" portion. It was then time to head inside for
a frantic round of resolutions condemning the decision. In the House of
Representatives, only three members stood firm on behalf of separation
of church and state. They were: Reps. Bobby Scott (D-Virginia), Mike
Honda (D-CA.) and Pete Stark (D-CA.).
Thanks for this info. I'll pass it on to interested parties outside of
Usenet.
Cheers!
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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