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Calif. mom ruled insane in "god ordered" sons' deaths |
Her god told her to kill her kids.
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Calif. mom ruled insane in sons' deaths
By KIM CURTIS, Associated Press WriterWed Jan 17, 4:36 PM ET
A mother who tossed her three young sons to their deaths in San
Francisco Bay was declared insane Wednesday by a judge, a ruling that
means she will be sent to a mental hospital instead of prison.
The ruling came a day after a jury found Lashuan Harris, 24, guilty of
second-degree murder, which carries a mandatory sentence of 15 years to
life in prison.
Harris will be sent to a mental hospital indefinitely. She can be
released if doctors ever find her legally sane.
The defense argued that Harris was schizophrenic and borderline mentally
retarded and that she was convinced she was acting on orders from God
when she threw the youngsters, ages 6, 2 and 16 months, into the water
in 2005.
Judge Ksenia Tsenin agreed with the defense, saying Harris "was
incapable of knowing or understanding the quality of her acts."
In a videotaped confession, Harris described struggling with two of the
boys as she stripped them and plunged them into the bay in an area where
tourists stroll along the waterfront. Her youngest child laughed,
thinking it was a game.
Only one of their bodies was recovered.
Harris was put in a mental hospital six times between February 2004 and
August 2005. On the day the children died, her mother warned a social
worker that she would hurt the boys, but the social worker did not
believe the warning, according to the defense.
The judge's decision nullified the jury's guilty verdicts on murder and
assault.
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18 Jan 2007 03:17:39 AM |
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In article <jhachmann-BD4EBE.23375917012007@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
Her god told her to kill her kids.
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Calif. mom ruled insane in sons' deaths
By KIM CURTIS, Associated Press WriterWed Jan 17, 4:36 PM ET
A mother who tossed her three young sons to their deaths in San
Francisco Bay was declared insane Wednesday by a judge, a ruling that
means she will be sent to a mental hospital instead of prison.
So I guess this means that according to the government, she wasn't a
prophetess. I wonder if they considered both sides of the controversy in
a truly objective manner?
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18 Jan 2007 04:35:39 AM |
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*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote in alt.atheism
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
Her god told her to kill her kids.
Calif. mom ruled insane in sons' deaths
By KIM CURTIS, Associated Press WriterWed Jan 17, 4:36 PM ET
A mother who tossed her three young sons to their deaths in San
Francisco Bay was declared insane Wednesday by a judge, a ruling that
means she will be sent to a mental hospital instead of prison.
So I guess this means that according to the government, she wasn't a
prophetess. I wonder if they considered both sides of the controversy in
a truly objective manner?
Weird how people today are considered insane if their god tells them
to kill their child, but if it happened thousands of years ago,
they're considered holy, like Abraham.
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "johac" |
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19 Jan 2007 12:32:12 AM |
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In article <j1juq21jmv0i5flsrghusninlr12moqmd4@4ax.com>,
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote in alt.atheism
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
Her god told her to kill her kids.
Calif. mom ruled insane in sons' deaths
By KIM CURTIS, Associated Press WriterWed Jan 17, 4:36 PM ET
A mother who tossed her three young sons to their deaths in San
Francisco Bay was declared insane Wednesday by a judge, a ruling that
means she will be sent to a mental hospital instead of prison.
So I guess this means that according to the government, she wasn't a
prophetess. I wonder if they considered both sides of the controversy in
a truly objective manner?
Weird how people today are considered insane if their god tells them
to kill their child, but if it happened thousands of years ago,
they're considered holy, like Abraham.
Yes, but they believe that if it happened a long time ago and is written
down in a book of dubious origin, without any independent contemporary
corroborating evidence, the story must be true. Just like the one about
the talking snake.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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19 Jan 2007 12:26:44 AM |
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In article <nemo0037-D66DFB.04173918012007@news.west.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachmann-BD4EBE.23375917012007@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
Her god told her to kill her kids.
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Calif. mom ruled insane in sons' deaths
By KIM CURTIS, Associated Press WriterWed Jan 17, 4:36 PM ET
A mother who tossed her three young sons to their deaths in San
Francisco Bay was declared insane Wednesday by a judge, a ruling that
means she will be sent to a mental hospital instead of prison.
So I guess this means that according to the government, she wasn't a
prophetess. I wonder if they considered both sides of the controversy in
a truly objective manner?
I don't think that our legal system has degenerated that far yet, but if
some had their way, they probably would have tried her as a witch.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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18 Jan 2007 04:05:46 AM |
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:37:59 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
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Her god told her to kill her kids.
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Calif. mom ruled insane in sons' deaths
By KIM CURTIS, Associated Press WriterWed Jan 17, 4:36 PM ET
A mother who tossed her three young sons to their deaths in San
Francisco Bay was declared insane Wednesday by a judge, a ruling that
means she will be sent to a mental hospital instead of prison.
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So, she was officially ruled to be a Christian then?
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18 Jan 2007 06:53:09 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:cihuq29lneu0kagvqt63pnnlrlvikkjg7h@4ax.com...
So, she was officially ruled to be a Christian then?
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Doesn't have to be Christian, although the probability is high that she is.
She could be any "religion"
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19 Jan 2007 12:20:35 AM |
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In article <cihuq29lneu0kagvqt63pnnlrlvikkjg7h@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:37:59 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BD4EBE.23375917012007@news.giganews.com>
Her god told her to kill her kids.
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Calif. mom ruled insane in sons' deaths
By KIM CURTIS, Associated Press WriterWed Jan 17, 4:36 PM ET
A mother who tossed her three young sons to their deaths in San
Francisco Bay was declared insane Wednesday by a judge, a ruling that
means she will be sent to a mental hospital instead of prison.
:
So, she was officially ruled to be a Christian then?
She passed the test with flying colors.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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18 Jan 2007 06:46:18 AM |
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Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in alt.atheism
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
Her god told her to kill her kids.
Calif. mom ruled insane in sons' deaths
By KIM CURTIS, Associated Press WriterWed Jan 17, 4:36 PM ET
A mother who tossed her three young sons to their deaths in San
Francisco Bay was declared insane Wednesday by a judge, a ruling that
means she will be sent to a mental hospital instead of prison.
So, she was officially ruled to be a Christian then?
I'm wondering what reaction the following headline might get from the
religious people out there:
"Abraham Deemed Schizophrenic by Psychiatric Council"
NEW YORK (EAP) -- A council of twenty-five prominent psychiatrists and
psychologists from around the country convened in New York last week,
and concluded that the Biblical character Abraham suffered from a form
of schizophrenia which leads people to believe they're hearing the
voice of God.
The council met to discuss several alarming nation-wide cases of
parents killing their children because they believed God told them to
do it, and ended up concluding that Abraham probably suffered from the
exact same disease.
"Anyone who would actually be willing to kill their own child because
a voice in their head told them to do it must be considered insane,
just like the parents in the cases we reviewed this week," said Thomas
Livingston, spokesperson for the council.
"It doesn't matter if it happened thousands of years ago or not, it's
the same type of delusion caused by schizophrenia."
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18 Jan 2007 07:19:25 AM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
The council met to discuss several alarming nation-wide cases of
parents killing their children because they believed God told them to
do it, and ended up concluding that Abraham probably suffered from the
exact same disease.
"Anyone who would actually be willing to kill their own child because
a voice in their head told them to do it must be considered insane,
just like the parents in the cases we reviewed this week," said Thomas
Livingston, spokesperson for the council.
"It doesn't matter if it happened thousands of years ago or not, it's
the same type of delusion caused by schizophrenia."
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
I have argued with many people about "Religiously induce insanity" and
they seem to think ... "to each his own" that religious people are sane.
Many, (I don't know) religiously hypnotized people hear voices, some
will tell you about it, and some won't. ;-)
Hypnotism techniques are very powerful things, and used in the
(billions of dollars) T.V. advertising.... extensively!
God's Creator!
(I am Life & Death)
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<b>The council met to discuss several alarming nation-wide cases of
parents killing their children because they believed God told them to
do it, and ended up concluding that Abraham probably suffered from the
exact same disease.
"Anyone who would actually be willing to kill their own child because
a voice in their head told them to do it must be considered insane,
just like the parents in the cases we reviewed this week," said Thomas
Livingston, spokesperson for the council.
"It doesn't matter if it happened thousands of years ago or not, it's
the same type of delusion caused by schizophrenia."
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Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*</big></font><br>
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I have argued with many people about "Religiously induce insanity" and<br>
they seem to think ... "to each his own" that religious people are
sane.<br>
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Many, (I don't know) religiously hypnotized people hear voices,
some<br>
will tell you about it, and some won't. <span class="moz-smiley-s3"><span>
;-) </span></span><br>
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Hypnotism techniques are very powerful things, and used in the <br>
(billions of dollars) T.V. advertising.... extensively!<br>
<br>
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</b><b><br>
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<div align="center"><b><font color="#009900"><big><big>God's Creator! </big></big></font></b><br>
<b>(<font color="#cc0000"><big>I am Life & Death</big></font>)</b><br>
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18 Jan 2007 07:39:47 AM |
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The Usher <The_Money_Collector@Angel.coop> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
The council met to discuss several alarming nation-wide cases of
parents killing their children because they believed God told them to
do it, and ended up concluding that Abraham probably suffered from the
exact same disease.
"Anyone who would actually be willing to kill their own child because
a voice in their head told them to do it must be considered insane,
just like the parents in the cases we reviewed this week," said Thomas
Livingston, spokesperson for the council.
"It doesn't matter if it happened thousands of years ago or not, it's
the same type of delusion caused by schizophrenia."
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
I have argued with many people about "Religiously induce insanity" and
they seem to think ... "to each his own" that religious people are sane.
Many, (I don't know) religiously hypnotized people hear voices, some
will tell you about it, and some won't. ;-)
Hypnotism techniques are very powerful things, and used in the
(billions of dollars) T.V. advertising.... extensively!
Don't get me started on TV evangelists and telemarketers...
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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18 Jan 2007 01:14:56 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
The Usher <The_Money_Collector@Angel.coop> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
The council met to discuss several alarming nation-wide cases of
parents killing their children because they believed God told them to
do it, and ended up concluding that Abraham probably suffered from the
exact same disease.
"Anyone who would actually be willing to kill their own child because
a voice in their head told them to do it must be considered insane,
just like the parents in the cases we reviewed this week," said Thomas
Livingston, spokesperson for the council.
"It doesn't matter if it happened thousands of years ago or not, it's
the same type of delusion caused by schizophrenia."
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
I have argued with many people about "Religiously induce insanity" and
they seem to think ... "to each his own" that religious people are sane.
Many, (I don't know) religiously hypnotized people hear voices, some
will tell you about it, and some won't. ;-)
Hypnotism techniques are very powerful things, and used in the
(billions of dollars) T.V. advertising.... extensively!
Don't get me started on TV evangelists and telemarketers...
Aren't they esentially the same thing..?
PDW, off from work due to the weather, and has seen Robertson on his
show begging for money...
http://www.geocities.com/pdwright42
http://www.geocities.com/incognito_press
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18 Jan 2007 04:26:20 PM |
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On 18 Jan 2007 11:14:56 -0800, "Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1169147696.526906.119250@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com>
Elroy Willis wrote:
The Usher <The_Money_Collector@Angel.coop> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
The council met to discuss several alarming nation-wide cases of
parents killing their children because they believed God told them to
do it, and ended up concluding that Abraham probably suffered from the
exact same disease.
"Anyone who would actually be willing to kill their own child because
a voice in their head told them to do it must be considered insane,
just like the parents in the cases we reviewed this week," said Thomas
Livingston, spokesperson for the council.
"It doesn't matter if it happened thousands of years ago or not, it's
the same type of delusion caused by schizophrenia."
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
I have argued with many people about "Religiously induce insanity" and
they seem to think ... "to each his own" that religious people are sane.
Many, (I don't know) religiously hypnotized people hear voices, some
will tell you about it, and some won't. ;-)
Hypnotism techniques are very powerful things, and used in the
(billions of dollars) T.V. advertising.... extensively!
Don't get me started on TV evangelists and telemarketers...
Aren't they esentially the same thing..?
No!
Some of the Telemarketers' product lines actually perform as per
description.
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19 Jan 2007 12:24:26 AM |
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In article <1usvq29m5nuqqk90j89tnnviedd08ugf8g@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On 18 Jan 2007 11:14:56 -0800, "Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1169147696.526906.119250@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com>
Elroy Willis wrote:
The Usher <The_Money_Collector@Angel.coop> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
The council met to discuss several alarming nation-wide cases of
parents killing their children because they believed God told them to
do it, and ended up concluding that Abraham probably suffered from the
exact same disease.
"Anyone who would actually be willing to kill their own child because
a voice in their head told them to do it must be considered insane,
just like the parents in the cases we reviewed this week," said Thomas
Livingston, spokesperson for the council.
"It doesn't matter if it happened thousands of years ago or not, it's
the same type of delusion caused by schizophrenia."
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
I have argued with many people about "Religiously induce insanity" and
they seem to think ... "to each his own" that religious people are
sane.
Many, (I don't know) religiously hypnotized people hear voices,
some
will tell you about it, and some won't. ;-)
Hypnotism techniques are very powerful things, and used in the
(billions of dollars) T.V. advertising.... extensively!
Don't get me started on TV evangelists and telemarketers...
Aren't they esentially the same thing..?
No!
Some of the Telemarketers' product lines actually perform as per
description.
the televangelists remind me more of the old time traveling snake oil
salesmen which we've discussed before.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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19 Jan 2007 01:17:23 AM |
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:24:26 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-845E1E.22242618012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <1usvq29m5nuqqk90j89tnnviedd08ugf8g@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On 18 Jan 2007 11:14:56 -0800, "Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1169147696.526906.119250@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com>
Elroy Willis wrote:
The Usher <The_Money_Collector@Angel.coop> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
The council met to discuss several alarming nation-wide cases of
parents killing their children because they believed God told them to
do it, and ended up concluding that Abraham probably suffered from the
exact same disease.
"Anyone who would actually be willing to kill their own child because
a voice in their head told them to do it must be considered insane,
just like the parents in the cases we reviewed this week," said Thomas
Livingston, spokesperson for the council.
"It doesn't matter if it happened thousands of years ago or not, it's
the same type of delusion caused by schizophrenia."
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
I have argued with many people about "Religiously induce insanity" and
they seem to think ... "to each his own" that religious people are
sane.
Many, (I don't know) religiously hypnotized people hear voices,
some
will tell you about it, and some won't. ;-)
Hypnotism techniques are very powerful things, and used in the
(billions of dollars) T.V. advertising.... extensively!
Don't get me started on TV evangelists and telemarketers...
Aren't they esentially the same thing..?
No!
Some of the Telemarketers' product lines actually perform as per
description.
the televangelists remind me more of the old time traveling snake oil
salesmen which we've discussed before.
For very good reason.
They have swapped the Conestoga Wagon for a TV Studio.
Nothing else whatsoever has changed.
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20 Jan 2007 12:57:22 AM |
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In article <92s0r29qligbt8vlofu0r0nnaup8mpcj9l@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:24:26 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-845E1E.22242618012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <1usvq29m5nuqqk90j89tnnviedd08ugf8g@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On 18 Jan 2007 11:14:56 -0800, "Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1169147696.526906.119250@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com>
Elroy Willis wrote:
The Usher <The_Money_Collector@Angel.coop> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
The council met to discuss several alarming nation-wide cases of
parents killing their children because they believed God told them
to
do it, and ended up concluding that Abraham probably suffered from
the
exact same disease.
"Anyone who would actually be willing to kill their own child
because
a voice in their head told them to do it must be considered insane,
just like the parents in the cases we reviewed this week," said
Thomas
Livingston, spokesperson for the council.
"It doesn't matter if it happened thousands of years ago or not,
it's
the same type of delusion caused by schizophrenia."
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
I have argued with many people about "Religiously induce insanity"
and
they seem to think ... "to each his own" that religious people are
sane.
Many, (I don't know) religiously hypnotized people hear voices,
some
will tell you about it, and some won't. ;-)
Hypnotism techniques are very powerful things, and used in the
(billions of dollars) T.V. advertising.... extensively!
Don't get me started on TV evangelists and telemarketers...
Aren't they esentially the same thing..?
No!
Some of the Telemarketers' product lines actually perform as per
description.
the televangelists remind me more of the old time traveling snake oil
salesmen which we've discussed before.
For very good reason.
They have swapped the Conestoga Wagon for a TV Studio.
Nothing else whatsoever has changed.
Yep. Some of the Faith 'Healers' even have shills coming and throwing
away their crutches claiming to be 'cured'.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Calif. mom ruled insane in "god ordered" sons' deaths |
20 Jan 2007 03:50:30 AM |
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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:57:22 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-867163.22572219012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <92s0r29qligbt8vlofu0r0nnaup8mpcj9l@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:24:26 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-845E1E.22242618012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <1usvq29m5nuqqk90j89tnnviedd08ugf8g@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On 18 Jan 2007 11:14:56 -0800, "Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1169147696.526906.119250@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com>
Elroy Willis wrote:
The Usher <The_Money_Collector@Angel.coop> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
The council met to discuss several alarming nation-wide cases of
parents killing their children because they believed God told them
to
do it, and ended up concluding that Abraham probably suffered from
the
exact same disease.
"Anyone who would actually be willing to kill their own child
because
a voice in their head told them to do it must be considered insane,
just like the parents in the cases we reviewed this week," said
Thomas
Livingston, spokesperson for the council.
"It doesn't matter if it happened thousands of years ago or not,
it's
the same type of delusion caused by schizophrenia."
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
I have argued with many people about "Religiously induce insanity"
and
they seem to think ... "to each his own" that religious people are
sane.
Many, (I don't know) religiously hypnotized people hear voices,
some
will tell you about it, and some won't. ;-)
Hypnotism techniques are very powerful things, and used in the
(billions of dollars) T.V. advertising.... extensively!
Don't get me started on TV evangelists and telemarketers...
Aren't they esentially the same thing..?
No!
Some of the Telemarketers' product lines actually perform as per
description.
the televangelists remind me more of the old time traveling snake oil
salesmen which we've discussed before.
For very good reason.
They have swapped the Conestoga Wagon for a TV Studio.
Nothing else whatsoever has changed.
Yep. Some of the Faith 'Healers' even have shills coming and throwing
away their crutches claiming to be 'cured'.
They sit the front row paying dupes into "spare" wheelchairs, for
"miracles" later on, too.
Yes, they got up out of a wheelchair and WALKED!
Praise JESUS!
That walked into the auditorium in the first place, and were guided to
the only seat left by an assistent money-vampire is quite immaterial
to the TRUE BELIEVER or GULLIBLE CRETIN.
--
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Calif. mom ruled insane in "god ordered" sons' deaths |
20 Jan 2007 11:58:00 PM |
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In article <k9p3r2pov1lol47m958d4mtost9remse3o@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:57:22 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-867163.22572219012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <92s0r29qligbt8vlofu0r0nnaup8mpcj9l@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:24:26 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-845E1E.22242618012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <1usvq29m5nuqqk90j89tnnviedd08ugf8g@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On 18 Jan 2007 11:14:56 -0800, "Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1169147696.526906.119250@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com>
Elroy Willis wrote:
The Usher <The_Money_Collector@Angel.coop> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
The council met to discuss several alarming nation-wide cases of
parents killing their children because they believed God told
them
to
do it, and ended up concluding that Abraham probably suffered
from
the
exact same disease.
"Anyone who would actually be willing to kill their own child
because
a voice in their head told them to do it must be considered
insane,
just like the parents in the cases we reviewed this week," said
Thomas
Livingston, spokesperson for the council.
"It doesn't matter if it happened thousands of years ago or not,
it's
the same type of delusion caused by schizophrenia."
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
I have argued with many people about "Religiously induce insanity"
and
they seem to think ... "to each his own" that religious people
are
sane.
Many, (I don't know) religiously hypnotized people hear
voices,
some
will tell you about it, and some won't. ;-)
Hypnotism techniques are very powerful things, and used in the
(billions of dollars) T.V. advertising.... extensively!
Don't get me started on TV evangelists and telemarketers...
Aren't they esentially the same thing..?
No!
Some of the Telemarketers' product lines actually perform as per
description.
the televangelists remind me more of the old time traveling snake oil
salesmen which we've discussed before.
For very good reason.
They have swapped the Conestoga Wagon for a TV Studio.
Nothing else whatsoever has changed.
Yep. Some of the Faith 'Healers' even have shills coming and throwing
away their crutches claiming to be 'cured'.
They sit the front row paying dupes into "spare" wheelchairs, for
"miracles" later on, too.
Yes, they got up out of a wheelchair and WALKED!
Praise JESUS!
That walked into the auditorium in the first place, and were guided to
the only seat left by an assistent money-vampire is quite immaterial
to the TRUE BELIEVER or GULLIBLE CRETIN.
James Randi has taken on a number of these incredible pieces of walking
drek. Here is a summary of his findings on a specimen named Peter Popov:
Correx Archives - James Randi and the Faith Healers
http://www.abc.net.au/science/correx/archives/randi2.htm
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Calif. mom ruled insane in "god ordered" sons' deaths |
21 Jan 2007 04:08:01 AM |
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On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:58:00 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-23E1AD.21580020012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <k9p3r2pov1lol47m958d4mtost9remse3o@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:57:22 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-867163.22572219012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <92s0r29qligbt8vlofu0r0nnaup8mpcj9l@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:24:26 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-845E1E.22242618012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <1usvq29m5nuqqk90j89tnnviedd08ugf8g@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On 18 Jan 2007 11:14:56 -0800, "Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1169147696.526906.119250@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com>
Elroy Willis wrote:
The Usher <The_Money_Collector@Angel.coop> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
The council met to discuss several alarming nation-wide cases of
parents killing their children because they believed God told
them
to
do it, and ended up concluding that Abraham probably suffered
from
the
exact same disease.
"Anyone who would actually be willing to kill their own child
because
a voice in their head told them to do it must be considered
insane,
just like the parents in the cases we reviewed this week," said
Thomas
Livingston, spokesperson for the council.
"It doesn't matter if it happened thousands of years ago or not,
it's
the same type of delusion caused by schizophrenia."
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
I have argued with many people about "Religiously induce insanity"
and
they seem to think ... "to each his own" that religious people
are
sane.
Many, (I don't know) religiously hypnotized people hear
voices,
some
will tell you about it, and some won't. ;-)
Hypnotism techniques are very powerful things, and used in the
(billions of dollars) T.V. advertising.... extensively!
Don't get me started on TV evangelists and telemarketers...
Aren't they esentially the same thing..?
No!
Some of the Telemarketers' product lines actually perform as per
description.
the televangelists remind me more of the old time traveling snake oil
salesmen which we've discussed before.
For very good reason.
They have swapped the Conestoga Wagon for a TV Studio.
Nothing else whatsoever has changed.
Yep. Some of the Faith 'Healers' even have shills coming and throwing
away their crutches claiming to be 'cured'.
They sit the front row paying dupes into "spare" wheelchairs, for
"miracles" later on, too.
Yes, they got up out of a wheelchair and WALKED!
Praise JESUS!
That walked into the auditorium in the first place, and were guided to
the only seat left by an assistent money-vampire is quite immaterial
to the TRUE BELIEVER or GULLIBLE CRETIN.
James Randi has taken on a number of these incredible pieces of walking
drek. Here is a summary of his findings on a specimen named Peter Popov:
Correx Archives - James Randi and the Faith Healers
http://www.abc.net.au/science/correx/archives/randi2.htm
Thanks.
I have studied this case in some detail over the years; Popoff popped
up again to the top of the blood-sucking scum-heap, and not long after
his public exposure as a completely heartless fraud, was at it again!
I continue to be utterly amazed at the unsinkable rubber ducks of
delusion. His dupes are begging to be fooled and ripped off, and WILL
NOT allow themselves to admit that they have been comprehensively
conned!
(Which would be all well and good, were it not for the innocents that
get trampled in scam race, such as the sick infants in the care of
these stupid rubes, who could have had that life saving operation,
were the $$ not thrown at these fraudsters.)
--
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Calif. mom ruled insane in "god ordered" sons' deaths |
21 Jan 2007 10:27:04 PM |
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In article <fne6r2pr7qem9d5khdsuvlh7qu24t5v7p0@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:58:00 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-23E1AD.21580020012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <k9p3r2pov1lol47m958d4mtost9remse3o@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:57:22 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-867163.22572219012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <92s0r29qligbt8vlofu0r0nnaup8mpcj9l@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:24:26 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-845E1E.22242618012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <1usvq29m5nuqqk90j89tnnviedd08ugf8g@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On 18 Jan 2007 11:14:56 -0800, "Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1169147696.526906.119250@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com>
Elroy Willis wrote:
The Usher <The_Money_Collector@Angel.coop> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
The council met to discuss several alarming nation-wide cases
of
parents killing their children because they believed God told
them
to
do it, and ended up concluding that Abraham probably suffered
from
the
exact same disease.
"Anyone who would actually be willing to kill their own child
because
a voice in their head told them to do it must be considered
insane,
just like the parents in the cases we reviewed this week,"
said
Thomas
Livingston, spokesperson for the council.
"It doesn't matter if it happened thousands of years ago or
not,
it's
the same type of delusion caused by schizophrenia."
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
I have argued with many people about "Religiously induce
insanity"
and
they seem to think ... "to each his own" that religious people
are
sane.
Many, (I don't know) religiously hypnotized people hear
voices,
some
will tell you about it, and some won't. ;-)
Hypnotism techniques are very powerful things, and used in the
(billions of dollars) T.V. advertising.... extensively!
Don't get me started on TV evangelists and telemarketers...
Aren't they esentially the same thing..?
No!
Some of the Telemarketers' product lines actually perform as per
description.
the televangelists remind me more of the old time traveling snake oil
salesmen which we've discussed before.
For very good reason.
They have swapped the Conestoga Wagon for a TV Studio.
Nothing else whatsoever has changed.
Yep. Some of the Faith 'Healers' even have shills coming and throwing
away their crutches claiming to be 'cured'.
They sit the front row paying dupes into "spare" wheelchairs, for
"miracles" later on, too.
Yes, they got up out of a wheelchair and WALKED!
Praise JESUS!
That walked into the auditorium in the first place, and were guided to
the only seat left by an assistent money-vampire is quite immaterial
to the TRUE BELIEVER or GULLIBLE CRETIN.
James Randi has taken on a number of these incredible pieces of walking
drek. Here is a summary of his findings on a specimen named Peter Popov:
Correx Archives - James Randi and the Faith Healers
http://www.abc.net.au/science/correx/archives/randi2.htm
Thanks.
I have studied this case in some detail over the years; Popoff popped
up again to the top of the blood-sucking scum-heap, and not long after
his public exposure as a completely heartless fraud, was at it again!
I continue to be utterly amazed at the unsinkable rubber ducks of
delusion. His dupes are begging to be fooled and ripped off, and WILL
NOT allow themselves to admit that they have been comprehensively
conned!
(Which would be all well and good, were it not for the innocents that
get trampled in scam race, such as the sick infants in the care of
these stupid rubes, who could have had that life saving operation,
were the $$ not thrown at these fraudsters.)
--
I agree. One could dismiss this stupidity as no worse than fortune
telling, or communing with the dead except that people's lives and
health are at stake. If I were to start selling a fake medicine that was
absolutely useless and people were dying because I told them that it
would work, the FDA, FBI, and about a dozen other federal, state, and
local agencies would be all over me before I knew it.
How can these jerks get away with essentially doing the same thing? And
their religion should not be a shield them at all unless they can show
in peer reviewed clinical trials that they are effective as specified.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Calif. mom ruled insane in "god ordered" sons' deaths |
22 Jan 2007 02:16:20 AM |
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On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:27:04 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-3C72B7.20270421012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <fne6r2pr7qem9d5khdsuvlh7qu24t5v7p0@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:58:00 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-23E1AD.21580020012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <k9p3r2pov1lol47m958d4mtost9remse3o@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:57:22 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-867163.22572219012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <92s0r29qligbt8vlofu0r0nnaup8mpcj9l@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:24:26 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-845E1E.22242618012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <1usvq29m5nuqqk90j89tnnviedd08ugf8g@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On 18 Jan 2007 11:14:56 -0800, "Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1169147696.526906.119250@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com>
Elroy Willis wrote:
The Usher <The_Money_Collector@Angel.coop> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
The council met to discuss several alarming nation-wide cases
of
parents killing their children because they believed God told
them
to
do it, and ended up concluding that Abraham probably suffered
from
the
exact same disease.
"Anyone who would actually be willing to kill their own child
because
a voice in their head told them to do it must be considered
insane,
just like the parents in the cases we reviewed this week,"
said
Thomas
Livingston, spokesperson for the council.
"It doesn't matter if it happened thousands of years ago or
not,
it's
the same type of delusion caused by schizophrenia."
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
I have argued with many people about "Religiously induce
insanity"
and
they seem to think ... "to each his own" that religious people
are
sane.
Many, (I don't know) religiously hypnotized people hear
voices,
some
will tell you about it, and some won't. ;-)
Hypnotism techniques are very powerful things, and used in the
(billions of dollars) T.V. advertising.... extensively!
Don't get me started on TV evangelists and telemarketers...
Aren't they esentially the same thing..?
No!
Some of the Telemarketers' product lines actually perform as per
description.
the televangelists remind me more of the old time traveling snake oil
salesmen which we've discussed before.
For very good reason.
They have swapped the Conestoga Wagon for a TV Studio.
Nothing else whatsoever has changed.
Yep. Some of the Faith 'Healers' even have shills coming and throwing
away their crutches claiming to be 'cured'.
They sit the front row paying dupes into "spare" wheelchairs, for
"miracles" later on, too.
Yes, they got up out of a wheelchair and WALKED!
Praise JESUS!
That walked into the auditorium in the first place, and were guided to
the only seat left by an assistent money-vampire is quite immaterial
to the TRUE BELIEVER or GULLIBLE CRETIN.
James Randi has taken on a number of these incredible pieces of walking
drek. Here is a summary of his findings on a specimen named Peter Popov:
Correx Archives - James Randi and the Faith Healers
http://www.abc.net.au/science/correx/archives/randi2.htm
Thanks.
I have studied this case in some detail over the years; Popoff popped
up again to the top of the blood-sucking scum-heap, and not long after
his public exposure as a completely heartless fraud, was at it again!
I continue to be utterly amazed at the unsinkable rubber ducks of
delusion. His dupes are begging to be fooled and ripped off, and WILL
NOT allow themselves to admit that they have been comprehensively
conned!
(Which would be all well and good, were it not for the innocents that
get trampled in scam race, such as the sick infants in the care of
these stupid rubes, who could have had that life saving operation,
were the $$ not thrown at these fraudsters.)
--
I agree. One could dismiss this stupidity as no worse than fortune
telling, or communing with the dead except that people's lives and
health are at stake. If I were to start selling a fake medicine that was
absolutely useless and people were dying because I told them that it
would work, the FDA, FBI, and about a dozen other federal, state, and
local agencies would be all over me before I knew it.
No, they most definitely WOULD NOT stop you!!!
No, no, no NO!!
Homeopathic ***** has a free run, and is even subsidised by many
so-called health insurers!
Homeopathy is EXACTLY what you have described:
An utterly useless fake remedy, that has been documented time and time
again to delay or prevent those with real medical problems seeking
real medical help.
How can these jerks get away with essentially doing the same thing? And
their religion should not be a shield them at all unless they can show
in peer reviewed clinical trials that they are effective as specified.
Because "we" have let them.
It is time enough to rise up and claim the planet in the name of
sanity.
--
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Calif. mom ruled insane in "god ordered" sons' deaths |
22 Jan 2007 11:39:32 PM |
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In article <dks8r215f0oqh1ea00p6s65gnmjegihk70@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:27:04 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-3C72B7.20270421012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <fne6r2pr7qem9d5khdsuvlh7qu24t5v7p0@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:58:00 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-23E1AD.21580020012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <k9p3r2pov1lol47m958d4mtost9remse3o@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:57:22 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-867163.22572219012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <92s0r29qligbt8vlofu0r0nnaup8mpcj9l@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:24:26 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-845E1E.22242618012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <1usvq29m5nuqqk90j89tnnviedd08ugf8g@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On 18 Jan 2007 11:14:56 -0800, "Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1169147696.526906.119250@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com>
Elroy Willis wrote:
The Usher <The_Money_Collector@Angel.coop> wrote in
alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
The council met to discuss several alarming nation-wide
cases
of
parents killing their children because they believed God
told
them
to
do it, and ended up concluding that Abraham probably
suffered
from
the
exact same disease.
"Anyone who would actually be willing to kill their own
child
because
a voice in their head told them to do it must be considered
insane,
just like the parents in the cases we reviewed this week,"
said
Thomas
Livingston, spokesperson for the council.
"It doesn't matter if it happened thousands of years ago or
not,
it's
the same type of delusion caused by schizophrenia."
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
I have argued with many people about "Religiously induce
insanity"
and
they seem to think ... "to each his own" that religious
people
are
sane.
Many, (I don't know) religiously hypnotized people hear
voices,
some
will tell you about it, and some won't. ;-)
Hypnotism techniques are very powerful things, and used in
the
(billions of dollars) T.V. advertising.... extensively!
Don't get me started on TV evangelists and telemarketers...
Aren't they esentially the same thing..?
No!
Some of the Telemarketers' product lines actually perform as per
description.
the televangelists remind me more of the old time traveling snake
oil
salesmen which we've discussed before.
For very good reason.
They have swapped the Conestoga Wagon for a TV Studio.
Nothing else whatsoever has changed.
Yep. Some of the Faith 'Healers' even have shills coming and throwing
away their crutches claiming to be 'cured'.
They sit the front row paying dupes into "spare" wheelchairs, for
"miracles" later on, too.
Yes, they got up out of a wheelchair and WALKED!
Praise JESUS!
That walked into the auditorium in the first place, and were guided to
the only seat left by an assistent money-vampire is quite immaterial
to the TRUE BELIEVER or GULLIBLE CRETIN.
James Randi has taken on a number of these incredible pieces of walking
drek. Here is a summary of his findings on a specimen named Peter Popov:
Correx Archives - James Randi and the Faith Healers
http://www.abc.net.au/science/correx/archives/randi2.htm
Thanks.
I have studied this case in some detail over the years; Popoff popped
up again to the top of the blood-sucking scum-heap, and not long after
his public exposure as a completely heartless fraud, was at it again!
I continue to be utterly amazed at the unsinkable rubber ducks of
delusion. His dupes are begging to be fooled and ripped off, and WILL
NOT allow themselves to admit that they have been comprehensively
conned!
(Which would be all well and good, were it not for the innocents that
get trampled in scam race, such as the sick infants in the care of
these stupid rubes, who could have had that life saving operation,
were the $$ not thrown at these fraudsters.)
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I agree. One could dismiss this stupidity as no worse than fortune
telling, or communing with the dead except that people's lives and
health are at stake. If I were to start selling a fake medicine that was
absolutely useless and people were dying because I told them that it
would work, the FDA, FBI, and about a dozen other federal, state, and
local agencies would be all over me before I knew it.
No, they most definitely WOULD NOT stop you!!!
No, no, no NO!!
Homeopathic ***** has a free run, and is even subsidised by many
so-called health insurers!
Homeopathy is EXACTLY what you have described:
An utterly useless fake remedy, that has been documented time and time
again to delay or prevent those with real medical problems seeking
real medical help.
What's bizarre is that I've seen patents granted by the US government to
these charlatans peddling their homeocrapathy. I thought that one
criterion for a patent grant was usefulness. Apparently not.
How can these jerks get away with essentially doing the same thing? And
their religion should not be a shield them at all unless they can show
in peer reviewed clinical trials that they are effective as specified.
Because "we" have let them.
It is time enough to rise up and claim the planet in the name of
sanity.
Amen brother!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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23 Jan 2007 03:45:54 AM |
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:39:32 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
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In article <dks8r215f0oqh1ea00p6s65gnmjegihk70@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:27:04 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-3C72B7.20270421012007@news.giganews.com>
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I agree. One could dismiss this stupidity as no worse than fortune
telling, or communing with the dead except that people's lives and
health are at stake. If I were to start selling a fake medicine that was
absolutely useless and people were dying because I told them that it
would work, the FDA, FBI, and about a dozen other federal, state, and
local agencies would be all over me before I knew it.
No, they most definitely WOULD NOT stop you!!!
No, no, no NO!!
Homeopathic ***** has a free run, and is even subsidised by many
so-called health insurers!
Homeopathy is EXACTLY what you have described:
An utterly useless fake remedy, that has been documented time and time
again to delay or prevent those with real medical problems seeking
real medical help.
What's bizarre is that I've seen patents granted by the US government to
these charlatans peddling their homeocrapathy. I thought that one
criterion for a patent grant was usefulness. Apparently not.
This is another common myth.
A patent in no way requires nor implies efficacy, only novelty.
(And even then it's no iron-clad guarantee)
The only things that patent offices reject out of hand is perpetual
motion machines.
I could patent a specially shaped metal hat that might instantly turn
the wearer into a fully thinking skeptic, but the patent would not
guarantee that it would work.
(Pity)
How can these jerks get away with essentially doing the same thing? And
their religion should not be a shield them at all unless they can show
in peer reviewed clinical trials that they are effective as specified.
Because "we" have let them.
It is time enough to rise up and claim the planet in the name of
sanity.
Amen brother!
Hellaloolya!
It a person's life in the modern Atheist Army.
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24 Jan 2007 01:11:32 AM |
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In article <i0mbr2dh4lsr9vuelqqg3l8js6fh2b6rtv@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:39:32 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-968E29.21393222012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <dks8r215f0oqh1ea00p6s65gnmjegihk70@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:27:04 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-3C72B7.20270421012007@news.giganews.com>
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I agree. One could dismiss this stupidity as no worse than fortune
telling, or communing with the dead except that people's lives and
health are at stake. If I were to start selling a fake medicine that was
absolutely useless and people were dying because I told them that it
would work, the FDA, FBI, and about a dozen other federal, state, and
local agencies would be all over me before I knew it.
No, they most definitely WOULD NOT stop you!!!
No, no, no NO!!
Homeopathic ***** has a free run, and is even subsidised by many
so-called health insurers!
Homeopathy is EXACTLY what you have described:
An utterly useless fake remedy, that has been documented time and time
again to delay or prevent those with real medical problems seeking
real medical help.
What's bizarre is that I've seen patents granted by the US government to
these charlatans peddling their homeocrapathy. I thought that one
criterion for a patent grant was usefulness. Apparently not.
This is another common myth.
A patent in no way requires nor implies efficacy, only novelty.
(And even then it's no iron-clad guarantee)
The only things that patent offices reject out of hand is perpetual
motion machines.
I wonder how many looneys have tried.
I could patent a specially shaped metal hat that might instantly turn
the wearer into a fully thinking skeptic, but the patent would not
guarantee that it would work.
(Pity)
The Bush administration would definitely oppose it.
How can these jerks get away with essentially doing the same thing? And
their religion should not be a shield them at all unless they can show
in peer reviewed clinical trials that they are effective as specified.
Because "we" have let them.
It is time enough to rise up and claim the planet in the name of
sanity.
Amen brother!
Hellaloolya!
It a person's life in the modern Atheist Army.
....as we go marching on.
--
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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19 Jan 2007 11:54:15 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On 18 Jan 2007 11:14:56 -0800, "Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1169147696.526906.119250@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com>
Elroy Willis wrote:
The Usher <The_Money_Collector@Angel.coop> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
The council met to discuss several alarming nation-wide cases of
parents killing their children because they believed God told them to
do it, and ended up concluding that Abraham probably suffered from the
exact same disease.
"Anyone who would actually be willing to kill their own child because
a voice in their head told them to do it must be considered insane,
just like the parents in the cases we reviewed this week," said Thomas
Livingston, spokesperson for the council.
"It doesn't matter if it happened thousands of years ago or not, it's
the same type of delusion caused by schizophrenia."
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
I have argued with many people about "Religiously induce insanity" and
they seem to think ... "to each his own" that religious people are sane.
Many, (I don't know) religiously hypnotized people hear voices, some
will tell you about it, and some won't. ;-)
Hypnotism techniques are very powerful things, and used in the
(billions of dollars) T.V. advertising.... extensively!
Don't get me started on TV evangelists and telemarketers...
Aren't they esentially the same thing..?
No!
Some of the Telemarketers' product lines actually perform as per
description.
Oh, right. And you can prove they exist, of course...
PDW, BAAWA
http://www.geocities.com/pdwright
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18 Jan 2007 07:45:38 AM |
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:37:59 -0800, johac wrote:
Her god told her to kill her kids.
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Calif. mom ruled insane in sons' deaths
By KIM CURTIS, Associated Press WriterWed Jan 17, 4:36 PM ET
A mother who tossed her three young sons to their deaths in San Francisco
Bay was declared insane Wednesday by a judge, a ruling that means she will
be sent to a mental hospital instead of prison.
The ruling came a day after a jury found Lashuan Harris, 24, guilty of
second-degree murder, which carries a mandatory sentence of 15 years to
life in prison.
Harris will be sent to a mental hospital indefinitely. She can be released
if doctors ever find her legally sane.
The defense argued that Harris was schizophrenic and borderline mentally
retarded and that she was convinced she was acting on orders from God when
she threw the youngsters, ages 6, 2 and 16 months, into the water in 2005.
Judge Ksenia Tsenin agreed with the defense, saying Harris "was incapable
of knowing or understanding the quality of her acts."
In a videotaped confession, Harris described struggling with two of the
boys as she stripped them and plunged them into the bay in an area where
tourists stroll along the waterfront. Her youngest child laughed, thinking
it was a game.
Only one of their bodies was recovered.
Harris was put in a mental hospital six times between February 2004 and
August 2005. On the day the children died, her mother warned a social
worker that she would hurt the boys, but the social worker did not believe
the warning, according to the defense.
The judge's decision nullified the jury's guilty verdicts on murder and
assault.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information
contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten
or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated
Press.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070117/ap_on_re_us/children_in_bay
That Jehovah! What a prankster, eh? Telling people to sacrifice their
children. Next, He'll rain some fire and brimstone on some village.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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19 Jan 2007 12:19:32 AM |
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In article <pan.2007.01.18.13.45.35.618275@stopspam.net>,
MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:37:59 -0800, johac wrote:
Her god told her to kill her kids.
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Calif. mom ruled insane in sons' deaths
By KIM CURTIS, Associated Press WriterWed Jan 17, 4:36 PM ET
A mother who tossed her three young sons to their deaths in San Francisco
Bay was declared insane Wednesday by a judge, a ruling that means she will
be sent to a mental hospital instead of prison.
The ruling came a day after a jury found Lashuan Harris, 24, guilty of
second-degree murder, which carries a mandatory sentence of 15 years to
life in prison.
Harris will be sent to a mental hospital indefinitely. She can be released
if doctors ever find her legally sane.
The defense argued that Harris was schizophrenic and borderline mentally
retarded and that she was convinced she was acting on orders from God when
she threw the youngsters, ages 6, 2 and 16 months, into the water in 2005.
Judge Ksenia Tsenin agreed with the defense, saying Harris "was incapable
of knowing or understanding the quality of her acts."
In a videotaped confession, Harris described struggling with two of the
boys as she stripped them and plunged them into the bay in an area where
tourists stroll along the waterfront. Her youngest child laughed, thinking
it was a game.
Only one of their bodies was recovered.
Harris was put in a mental hospital six times between February 2004 and
August 2005. On the day the children died, her mother warned a social
worker that she would hurt the boys, but the social worker did not believe
the warning, according to the defense.
The judge's decision nullified the jury's guilty verdicts on murder and
assault.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information
contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten
or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated
Press.
Copyright 2007 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy | Terms
of Service | Send Feedback | Help
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070117/ap_on_re_us/children_in_bay
That Jehovah! What a prankster, eh? Telling people to sacrifice their
children. Next, He'll rain some fire and brimstone on some village.
Yeah or drown the worlds in a big flood.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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23 Jan 2007 08:09:26 PM |
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:45:38 -0500, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:37:59 -0800, johac wrote:
Her god told her to kill her kids.
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Calif. mom ruled insane in sons' deaths
By KIM CURTIS, Associated Press WriterWed Jan 17, 4:36 PM ET
A mother who tossed her three young sons to their deaths in San Francisco
Bay was declared insane Wednesday by a judge, a ruling that means she will
be sent to a mental hospital instead of prison.
[]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070117/ap_on_re_us/children_in_bay
That Jehovah! What a prankster, eh? Telling people to sacrifice their
children. Next, He'll rain some fire and brimstone on some village.
A white phosphorus 'shake and bake' in Iraq fills that billing.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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24 Jan 2007 01:37:04 AM |
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On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:09:26 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <psfdr2h0bm27fpbeao7hdb7v7gsi4j35jm@4ax.com>
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:45:38 -0500, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:37:59 -0800, johac wrote:
Her god told her to kill her kids.
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Calif. mom ruled insane in sons' deaths
By KIM CURTIS, Associated Press WriterWed Jan 17, 4:36 PM ET
A mother who tossed her three young sons to their deaths in San Francisco
Bay was declared insane Wednesday by a judge, a ruling that means she will
be sent to a mental hospital instead of prison.
[]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070117/ap_on_re_us/children_in_bay
That Jehovah! What a prankster, eh? Telling people to sacrifice their
children. Next, He'll rain some fire and brimstone on some village.
A white phosphorus 'shake and bake' in Iraq fills that billing.
Nasty stuff, that.
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24 Jan 2007 05:24:11 PM |
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:07:04 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:09:26 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <psfdr2h0bm27fpbeao7hdb7v7gsi4j35jm@4ax.com>
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:45:38 -0500, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:37:59 -0800, johac wrote:
Her god told her to kill her kids.
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Calif. mom ruled insane in sons' deaths
By KIM CURTIS, Associated Press WriterWed Jan 17, 4:36 PM ET
A mother who tossed her three young sons to their deaths in San Francisco
Bay was declared insane Wednesday by a judge, a ruling that means she will
be sent to a mental hospital instead of prison.
[]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070117/ap_on_re_us/children_in_bay
That Jehovah! What a prankster, eh? Telling people to sacrifice their
children. Next, He'll rain some fire and brimstone on some village.
A white phosphorus 'shake and bake' in Iraq fills that billing.
Nasty stuff, that.
Very much so. Class Delta fire. :\
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
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