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California And Gay Marriage |
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/sept/article102.html
California And Gay Marriage
By Nicholas Olson
Sept. 7, 2005
It was announced today that California is sending a bill to the governor
approving the rights of gays to marry. I say hurray for ending another form
of discrimination.
Republicans and their bible-thumping constituents can hem and haw all they
want about their sanctity and that it is against the nature of humanity and
whatever. All I have to say is that I am sick to my stomach that this form
of discrimination is even up for debate.
The stupidest argument I have heard in this whole ordeal is the one where
they have men and women marrying their pets. Let's be logical about this.
If a man wants to marry a woman, he needs her consent, at least in this
country. Since when does your dog ask you to marry it? I can see it now. It
gets down on one knee and pulls out this ring... Wait, that never happened.
The next argument is about sanctity. You know, when two heterosexual people
divorce at over 60 percent of all marriages and infidelity runs rampant and
don't get me started on alimony. Besides, if you want to get married in
this country, shouldn't gays have the same right to be as happy and
miserable as a hetero couple?
The most controversial reason why I am happy about this decision is because
it opens the door for the secular part of our culture to go for the jugular
of the religious right. You see, if you want to call marriage a religious
ceremony or a representation of their love before a spiritual being, then I
can go to the words of James Madison where he specifically noted that there
is a distinct separation of church and state. If religious people want to
keep their precious word "marriage," then they can do without the rights
afforded by our government to married people by having an equitable
separation of this right for all citizens. This would mean that you could
be married but get no benefit by it. After all, if it only matters in the
eyes of God that you are married then be married with no benefits.
Anti-homosexual sentiment is born out of need to discriminate against
something. At once mixed race marriage was looked down upon, so will we
adapt to gay marriage.
Americans are going to have to start realizing that change is going to come
in the form of the future youth, those that feel that the current adults
are messing things up, will not tolerate the indignities of the past. It
happened in the 1860s, it happened in the 1960s and it will happen in the
not-so-distant future. Learn to deal. California is on their way. Why not
in your state?
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About the author: Nicholas Olson is a long-time journalist who has been a
columnist at his college newspaper and is currently a military journalist.
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American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
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19 Sep 2005 08:44:46 AM |
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One of the most important evidences is that birth rate in those countries
are very low, especially among those ethnic groups, that actively support
gay marriages.
So? The planet's overpopulated anyway.
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One of the most important evidences is that birth rate in those countries are very low, especially among those ethnic groups, that actively support gay marriages.
Meaning...?
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18 Sep 2005 11:14:09 PM |
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Meaning...?
Meaning what? The more gay marriages the less real marriages, the less
marriages the less children are born, very simple logic.
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19 Sep 2005 08:45:14 AM |
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<chirabbit@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Meaning...?
Meaning what? The more gay marriages the less real marriages, the less
marriages the less children are born, very simple logic.
So? What's the problem?
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Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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18 Sep 2005 11:22:58 PM |
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Meaning...?
Meaning what? The more gay marriages the less real marriages, the less
marriages the less children are born, very simple logic.
Why would more gay marriages result in less "real marriages?" And why
would less marriages result in less children being born? If it is such
simple logic, then it should be easy to quantify.
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18 Sep 2005 11:37:57 PM |
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Why would more gay marriages result in less "real marriages?"
Because marriage is hard, it requires a lot of work to create a family
to prepare for a child, bear a baby, feed child, takes care of other
child's need, educate child (not when he/she is alerady 6-7 years old)
it requires a lot of commitment. On the other hand, gay-marriage is
easy, just say I love my man and do nothing besides reaping benefits of
the marriage.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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18 Sep 2005 11:42:22 PM |
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Why would more gay marriages result in less "real marriages?"
Because marriage is hard, it requires a lot of work to create a family
to prepare for a child, bear a baby, feed child, takes care of other
child's need, educate child (not when he/she is alerady 6-7 years old)
it requires a lot of commitment. On the other hand, gay-marriage is
easy, just say I love my man and do nothing besides reaping benefits of
the marriage.
And if an opposite-sex marriage does not result in a child because they
don't want to have one? Is that a "real marriage?"
Still, though, you have yet to show how gay marriages will result in
less "real marriages."
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* "I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth *
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18 Sep 2005 11:51:40 PM |
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And if an opposite-sex marriage does not result in a child because they
don't want to have one? Is that a "real marriage?"
It is a real marriage, because it reconfirms definition of marriage as
union of one man and one woman.
Still, though, you have yet to show how gay marriages will result in less "real marriages."
I don't have to show anything just look at the facts, birth rate is low
in those countries that do not have respect for institution of marriage.
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19 Sep 2005 12:24:19 AM |
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And if an opposite-sex marriage does not result in a child because they
don't want to have one? Is that a "real marriage?"
It is a real marriage, because it reconfirms definition of marriage as
union of one man and one woman.
And why is the definition of marriage "the union of one man and one woman?"
Still, though, you have yet to show how gay marriages will result in less "real marriages."
I don't have to show anything just look at the facts, birth rate is low
in those countries that do not have respect for institution of marriage.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. AKA "After this therefore because of
this."
http://skepdic.com/posthoc.html for more information.
Now, please show that birth rate is low because those countries do not
have respect for the institution of marriage, and no other reason.
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* "I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth *
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19 Sep 2005 07:52:06 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and posting the
following on 18 Sep 2005 21:51:40 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
I don't have to show anything just look at the facts, birth rate is low
in those countries that do not have respect for institution of marriage.
Birthrates in Europe having been falling overall for years. This
includes countries that still activily outlaw homosexuality. It's a
cultural shift.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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18 Sep 2005 11:00:52 PM |
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One of the most important evidences is that birth rate in those
countries are very low, especially among those ethnic groups, that
actively support gay marriages.
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19 Sep 2005 08:46:31 AM |
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<chirabbit@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1127102452.777019.297890@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
One of the most important evidences is that birth rate in those
countries are very low, especially among those ethnic groups, that
actively support gay marriages.
Do you have evidence to back this up? Cites?
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Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Michael Altarriba" |
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19 Sep 2005 12:06:21 AM |
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One of the most important evidences is that birth rate in those
countries are very low, especially among those ethnic groups, that
actively support gay marriages.
Oh? Could you tell us what the birth rates are, and where you got your
data? Thanks.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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18 Sep 2005 03:10:31 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:49:09 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:qOudnXc0I8BM7rDeRVn-jw@comcast.com...
Kelo Disaster wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:M_udnRHh55Rtd7HeRVn-rg@comcast.com...
Kelo Disaster wrote:
And too well informed either. Twin studies clearly show both a
genetic and environmental component to sexuality. Even if
sexuality were 100% environmental, that does not imply it is a
choice (see for example, native language).
*****. You cannot prove any genetic link to homosexuality.
You can never outright prove any theory in science. You can only
outright disprove a theory. But you can provide supporting evidence for
a theory which has not been disproved. The twin studies provide the
supporting evidence.
As usual, you got nothing.
Identical twins (genetic duplications) are much more likely than other
siblings to share the same sexuality.
The most heinous act of
homosexuals is their "education" of America's children. They are "out
of the closet" more than they know. They have metastasized.
Nah, you aren't a bigot.
So all you got is a "bigot" act? How useless. I suppose you back that up
with your "racist" and "homophobe" act?
I'm an observer, who voices my opinions based on my observations and my
track record is very good.
Are you seriously arguing that your opinion that homosexuality is a
cancer isn't bigoted?
That's all you got and it's not very much. My analogy in which I used the
word metastasized is exactly correct and there is no bigotry attached to it.
It is a perfect description of what the homosexual movement is trying to
accomplish in US society.
The idea that homosexuals recruit is a fantasy held by bigots.
The homosexual forces have chosen to elevate and spread their life style
through invasion of public schools and by judicial fiat. In other words,
homosexuals have chosen to use the guns of government to force their will
upon the American public. That's a fact.
That is a fantasy. People are not recruited into homosexuality
anymore than they are recruited into heterosexuality. I challenge you
to provide any objective data that says such a thing happens.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "JTEM" |
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18 Sep 2005 03:37:21 PM |
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"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote
That is a fantasy. People are not recruited into
homosexuality anymore than they are recruited
into heterosexuality.
"Christians," on the other hand DO recruit.
So if you can identify bad people because they
recruit -- and "Christians" insist that we can --
then "Christians" are bad an gay people are not.
The hypocrisy is astounding...
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18 Sep 2005 03:41:14 PM |
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"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:lkeri11ptatk3qo5tb3516mv7lnt2gjd13@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:49:09 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:qOudnXc0I8BM7rDeRVn-jw@comcast.com...
Kelo Disaster wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:M_udnRHh55Rtd7HeRVn-rg@comcast.com...
Kelo Disaster wrote:
And too well informed either. Twin studies clearly show both a
genetic and environmental component to sexuality. Even if
sexuality were 100% environmental, that does not imply it is a
choice (see for example, native language).
*****. You cannot prove any genetic link to homosexuality.
You can never outright prove any theory in science. You can only
outright disprove a theory. But you can provide supporting evidence
for
a theory which has not been disproved. The twin studies provide the
supporting evidence.
As usual, you got nothing.
Identical twins (genetic duplications) are much more likely than other
siblings to share the same sexuality.
The most heinous act of
homosexuals is their "education" of America's children. They are
"out
of the closet" more than they know. They have metastasized.
Nah, you aren't a bigot.
So all you got is a "bigot" act? How useless. I suppose you back that
up
with your "racist" and "homophobe" act?
I'm an observer, who voices my opinions based on my observations and
my
track record is very good.
Are you seriously arguing that your opinion that homosexuality is a
cancer isn't bigoted?
That's all you got and it's not very much. My analogy in which I used the
word metastasized is exactly correct and there is no bigotry attached to
it.
It is a perfect description of what the homosexual movement is trying to
accomplish in US society.
The idea that homosexuals recruit is a fantasy held by bigots.
The homosexual forces have chosen to elevate and spread their life style
through invasion of public schools and by judicial fiat. In other words,
homosexuals have chosen to use the guns of government to force their will
upon the American public. That's a fact.
That is a fantasy. People are not recruited into homosexuality
anymore than they are recruited into heterosexuality. I challenge you
to provide any objective data that says such a thing happens.
There is a direct and purposeful action by homosexual's to avoid seeking a
Constitutional amendment to validate their cause. Instead, they have opted
to use judicial fiat and the invasion of public schools to push their agenda
on an unwilling public. They do this for the express purpose of using
government and it resources to enforce their agenda. Do you deny this? Or do
you want to continue to call this fantasy?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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18 Sep 2005 07:27:23 PM |
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Kelo Disaster wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:lkeri11ptatk3qo5tb3516mv7lnt2gjd13@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:49:09 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:qOudnXc0I8BM7rDeRVn-jw@comcast.com...
Kelo Disaster wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:M_udnRHh55Rtd7HeRVn-rg@comcast.com...
Kelo Disaster wrote:
And too well informed either. Twin studies clearly show both a
genetic and environmental component to sexuality. Even if
sexuality were 100% environmental, that does not imply it is a
choice (see for example, native language).
*****. You cannot prove any genetic link to homosexuality.
You can never outright prove any theory in science. You can only
outright disprove a theory. But you can provide supporting evidence
for
a theory which has not been disproved. The twin studies provide the
supporting evidence.
As usual, you got nothing.
Identical twins (genetic duplications) are much more likely than other
siblings to share the same sexuality.
The most heinous act of
homosexuals is their "education" of America's children. They are
"out
of the closet" more than they know. They have metastasized.
Nah, you aren't a bigot.
So all you got is a "bigot" act? How useless. I suppose you back that
up
with your "racist" and "homophobe" act?
I'm an observer, who voices my opinions based on my observations and
my
track record is very good.
Are you seriously arguing that your opinion that homosexuality is a
cancer isn't bigoted?
That's all you got and it's not very much. My analogy in which I used the
word metastasized is exactly correct and there is no bigotry attached to
it.
It is a perfect description of what the homosexual movement is trying to
accomplish in US society.
The idea that homosexuals recruit is a fantasy held by bigots.
The homosexual forces have chosen to elevate and spread their life style
through invasion of public schools and by judicial fiat. In other words,
homosexuals have chosen to use the guns of government to force their will
upon the American public. That's a fact.
That is a fantasy. People are not recruited into homosexuality
anymore than they are recruited into heterosexuality. I challenge you
to provide any objective data that says such a thing happens.
There is a direct and purposeful action by homosexual's to avoid seeking a
Constitutional amendment to validate their cause. Instead, they have opted
to use judicial fiat and the invasion of public schools to push their agenda
on an unwilling public. They do this for the express purpose of using
government and it resources to enforce their agenda. Do you deny this? Or do
you want to continue to call this fantasy?
Before I can answer that, answer this first:
What "agenda?"
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth *
* and nothing but the truth; so help me me." *
* --George Burns as God *
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| User: "thomas p" |
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19 Sep 2005 03:27:25 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:41:14 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:lkeri11ptatk3qo5tb3516mv7lnt2gjd13@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:49:09 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:qOudnXc0I8BM7rDeRVn-jw@comcast.com...
Kelo Disaster wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:M_udnRHh55Rtd7HeRVn-rg@comcast.com...
Kelo Disaster wrote:
And too well informed either. Twin studies clearly show both a
genetic and environmental component to sexuality. Even if
sexuality were 100% environmental, that does not imply it is a
choice (see for example, native language).
*****. You cannot prove any genetic link to homosexuality.
You can never outright prove any theory in science. You can only
outright disprove a theory. But you can provide supporting evidence
for
a theory which has not been disproved. The twin studies provide the
supporting evidence.
As usual, you got nothing.
Identical twins (genetic duplications) are much more likely than other
siblings to share the same sexuality.
The most heinous act of
homosexuals is their "education" of America's children. They are
"out
of the closet" more than they know. They have metastasized.
Nah, you aren't a bigot.
So all you got is a "bigot" act? How useless. I suppose you back that
up
with your "racist" and "homophobe" act?
I'm an observer, who voices my opinions based on my observations and
my
track record is very good.
Are you seriously arguing that your opinion that homosexuality is a
cancer isn't bigoted?
That's all you got and it's not very much. My analogy in which I used the
word metastasized is exactly correct and there is no bigotry attached to
it.
It is a perfect description of what the homosexual movement is trying to
accomplish in US society.
The idea that homosexuals recruit is a fantasy held by bigots.
The homosexual forces have chosen to elevate and spread their life style
through invasion of public schools and by judicial fiat. In other words,
homosexuals have chosen to use the guns of government to force their will
upon the American public. That's a fact.
That is a fantasy. People are not recruited into homosexuality
anymore than they are recruited into heterosexuality. I challenge you
to provide any objective data that says such a thing happens.
There is a direct and purposeful action by homosexual's to avoid seeking a
Constitutional amendment to validate their cause. Instead, they have opted
to use judicial fiat and the invasion of public schools to push their agenda
on an unwilling public. They do this for the express purpose of using
government and it resources to enforce their agenda. Do you deny this? Or do
you want to continue to call this fantasy?
Gosh that is a hard question. Let me see; how should I answer? Oh, I
know, it is pure fantasy motivated by ignorance and bigotry.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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19 Sep 2005 04:40:05 PM |
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"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:kmmti1dcd5na9c6d05edri6n857vtge97p@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:41:14 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:lkeri11ptatk3qo5tb3516mv7lnt2gjd13@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:49:09 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:qOudnXc0I8BM7rDeRVn-jw@comcast.com...
Kelo Disaster wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in
message
news:M_udnRHh55Rtd7HeRVn-rg@comcast.com...
Kelo Disaster wrote:
And too well informed either. Twin studies clearly show both a
genetic and environmental component to sexuality. Even if
sexuality were 100% environmental, that does not imply it is a
choice (see for example, native language).
*****. You cannot prove any genetic link to homosexuality.
You can never outright prove any theory in science. You can only
outright disprove a theory. But you can provide supporting
evidence
for
a theory which has not been disproved. The twin studies provide
the
supporting evidence.
As usual, you got nothing.
Identical twins (genetic duplications) are much more likely than
other
siblings to share the same sexuality.
The most heinous act of
homosexuals is their "education" of America's children. They are
"out
of the closet" more than they know. They have metastasized.
Nah, you aren't a bigot.
So all you got is a "bigot" act? How useless. I suppose you back
that
up
with your "racist" and "homophobe" act?
I'm an observer, who voices my opinions based on my observations
and
my
track record is very good.
Are you seriously arguing that your opinion that homosexuality is a
cancer isn't bigoted?
That's all you got and it's not very much. My analogy in which I used
the
word metastasized is exactly correct and there is no bigotry attached
to
it.
It is a perfect description of what the homosexual movement is trying
to
accomplish in US society.
The idea that homosexuals recruit is a fantasy held by bigots.
The homosexual forces have chosen to elevate and spread their life
style
through invasion of public schools and by judicial fiat. In other
words,
homosexuals have chosen to use the guns of government to force their
will
upon the American public. That's a fact.
That is a fantasy. People are not recruited into homosexuality
anymore than they are recruited into heterosexuality. I challenge you
to provide any objective data that says such a thing happens.
There is a direct and purposeful action by homosexual's to avoid seeking
a
Constitutional amendment to validate their cause. Instead, they have
opted
to use judicial fiat and the invasion of public schools to push their
agenda
on an unwilling public. They do this for the express purpose of using
government and it resources to enforce their agenda. Do you deny this? Or
do
you want to continue to call this fantasy?
Gosh that is a hard question. Let me see; how should I answer? Oh, I
know, it is pure fantasy motivated by ignorance and bigotry.
So, your are claiming the homosexual constituent is not seeking to get a
judge to change the law?
Is that what you're saying?
Oh, and I'm not a bigot.
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:40:05 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:41:14 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:49:09 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:qOudnXc0I8BM7rDeRVn-jw@comcast.com...
Kelo Disaster wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in
message
news:M_udnRHh55Rtd7HeRVn-rg@comcast.com...
Kelo Disaster wrote:
And too well informed either. Twin studies clearly show both a
genetic and environmental component to sexuality. Even if
sexuality were 100% environmental, that does not imply it is a
choice (see for example, native language).
*****. You cannot prove any genetic link to homosexuality.
You can never outright prove any theory in science. You can only
outright disprove a theory. But you can provide supporting
evidence
for
a theory which has not been disproved. The twin studies provide
the
supporting evidence.
As usual, you got nothing.
Identical twins (genetic duplications) are much more likely than
other
siblings to share the same sexuality.
The most heinous act of
homosexuals is their "education" of America's children. They are
"out
of the closet" more than they know. They have metastasized.
Nah, you aren't a bigot.
So all you got is a "bigot" act? How useless. I suppose you back
that
up
with your "racist" and "homophobe" act?
I'm an observer, who voices my opinions based on my observations
and
my
track record is very good.
Are you seriously arguing that your opinion that homosexuality is a
cancer isn't bigoted?
That's all you got and it's not very much. My analogy in which I used
the
word metastasized is exactly correct and there is no bigotry attached
to
it.
It is a perfect description of what the homosexual movement is trying
to
accomplish in US society.
The idea that homosexuals recruit is a fantasy held by bigots.
The homosexual forces have chosen to elevate and spread their life
style
through invasion of public schools and by judicial fiat. In other
words,
homosexuals have chosen to use the guns of government to force their
will
upon the American public. That's a fact.
That is a fantasy. People are not recruited into homosexuality
anymore than they are recruited into heterosexuality. I challenge you
to provide any objective data that says such a thing happens.
There is a direct and purposeful action by homosexual's to avoid seeking
a
Constitutional amendment to validate their cause. Instead, they have
opted
to use judicial fiat and the invasion of public schools to push their
agenda
on an unwilling public. They do this for the express purpose of using
government and it resources to enforce their agenda. Do you deny this? Or
do
you want to continue to call this fantasy?
Gosh that is a hard question. Let me see; how should I answer? Oh, I
know, it is pure fantasy motivated by ignorance and bigotry.
So, your are claiming the homosexual constituent is not seeking to get a
judge to change the law?
Is that what you're saying?
Oh, and I'm not a bigot.
Of course you are.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Kelo Disaster" |
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20 Sep 2005 09:16:45 AM |
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"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:40:05 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:kmmti1dcd5na9c6d05edri6n857vtge97p@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:41:14 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:lkeri11ptatk3qo5tb3516mv7lnt2gjd13@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:49:09 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:qOudnXc0I8BM7rDeRVn-jw@comcast.com...
Kelo Disaster wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in
message
news:M_udnRHh55Rtd7HeRVn-rg@comcast.com...
Kelo Disaster wrote:
And too well informed either. Twin studies clearly show both
a
genetic and environmental component to sexuality. Even if
sexuality were 100% environmental, that does not imply it is
a
choice (see for example, native language).
*****. You cannot prove any genetic link to homosexuality.
You can never outright prove any theory in science. You can
only
outright disprove a theory. But you can provide supporting
evidence
for
a theory which has not been disproved. The twin studies
provide
the
supporting evidence.
As usual, you got nothing.
Identical twins (genetic duplications) are much more likely than
other
siblings to share the same sexuality.
The most heinous act of
homosexuals is their "education" of America's children. They
are
"out
of the closet" more than they know. They have metastasized.
Nah, you aren't a bigot.
So all you got is a "bigot" act? How useless. I suppose you
back
that
up
with your "racist" and "homophobe" act?
I'm an observer, who voices my opinions based on my
observations
and
my
track record is very good.
Are you seriously arguing that your opinion that homosexuality is
a
cancer isn't bigoted?
That's all you got and it's not very much. My analogy in which I
used
the
word metastasized is exactly correct and there is no bigotry
attached
to
it.
It is a perfect description of what the homosexual movement is
trying
to
accomplish in US society.
The idea that homosexuals recruit is a fantasy held by bigots.
The homosexual forces have chosen to elevate and spread their life
style
through invasion of public schools and by judicial fiat. In other
words,
homosexuals have chosen to use the guns of government to force
their
will
upon the American public. That's a fact.
That is a fantasy. People are not recruited into homosexuality
anymore than they are recruited into heterosexuality. I challenge
you
to provide any objective data that says such a thing happens.
There is a direct and purposeful action by homosexual's to avoid
seeking
a
Constitutional amendment to validate their cause. Instead, they have
opted
to use judicial fiat and the invasion of public schools to push their
agenda
on an unwilling public. They do this for the express purpose of using
government and it resources to enforce their agenda. Do you deny this?
Or
do
you want to continue to call this fantasy?
Gosh that is a hard question. Let me see; how should I answer? Oh, I
know, it is pure fantasy motivated by ignorance and bigotry.
So, your are claiming the homosexual constituent is not seeking to get a
judge to change the law?
Is that what you're saying?
Oh, and I'm not a bigot.
Of course you are.
Then, by your standards everyone on earth is a bigot, including you.
BTW, you didn't answer the question. That's no surprise.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
20 Sep 2005 04:43:51 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:16:45 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:ijfvi15vnm5krbbdk6rdeuqnu5fui7dbnb@4ax.com...
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:40:05 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:kmmti1dcd5na9c6d05edri6n857vtge97p@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:41:14 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:lkeri11ptatk3qo5tb3516mv7lnt2gjd13@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:49:09 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:qOudnXc0I8BM7rDeRVn-jw@comcast.com...
Kelo Disaster wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in
message
news:M_udnRHh55Rtd7HeRVn-rg@comcast.com...
Kelo Disaster wrote:
And too well informed either. Twin studies clearly show both
a
genetic and environmental component to sexuality. Even if
sexuality were 100% environmental, that does not imply it is
a
choice (see for example, native language).
*****. You cannot prove any genetic link to homosexuality.
You can never outright prove any theory in science. You can
only
outright disprove a theory. But you can provide supporting
evidence
for
a theory which has not been disproved. The twin studies
provide
the
supporting evidence.
As usual, you got nothing.
Identical twins (genetic duplications) are much more likely than
other
siblings to share the same sexuality.
The most heinous act of
homosexuals is their "education" of America's children. They
are
"out
of the closet" more than they know. They have metastasized.
Nah, you aren't a bigot.
So all you got is a "bigot" act? How useless. I suppose you
back
that
up
with your "racist" and "homophobe" act?
I'm an observer, who voices my opinions based on my
observations
and
my
track record is very good.
Are you seriously arguing that your opinion that homosexuality is
a
cancer isn't bigoted?
That's all you got and it's not very much. My analogy in which I
used
the
word metastasized is exactly correct and there is no bigotry
attached
to
it.
It is a perfect description of what the homosexual movement is
trying
to
accomplish in US society.
The idea that homosexuals recruit is a fantasy held by bigots.
The homosexual forces have chosen to elevate and spread their life
style
through invasion of public schools and by judicial fiat. In other
words,
homosexuals have chosen to use the guns of government to force
their
will
upon the American public. That's a fact.
That is a fantasy. People are not recruited into homosexuality
anymore than they are recruited into heterosexuality. I challenge
you
to provide any objective data that says such a thing happens.
There is a direct and purposeful action by homosexual's to avoid
seeking
a
Constitutional amendment to validate their cause. Instead, they have
opted
to use judicial fiat and the invasion of public schools to push their
agenda
on an unwilling public. They do this for the express purpose of using
government and it resources to enforce their agenda. Do you deny this?
Or
do
you want to continue to call this fantasy?
Gosh that is a hard question. Let me see; how should I answer? Oh, I
know, it is pure fantasy motivated by ignorance and bigotry.
So, your are claiming the homosexual constituent is not seeking to get a
judge to change the law?
Is that what you're saying?
Oh, and I'm not a bigot.
Of course you are.
Then, by your standards everyone on earth is a bigot, including you.
The above is a non sequitur.
BTW, you didn't answer the question. That's no surprise.
The question has been answered many times now. The courts have the
power to deteremine the constitutionality of a law in cases brought
before it. People have the right to make appeals to the courts.
The Court's right of judicial review was first established in the 1803
"Marbury v. Madison" case and confirmed again in the "Dredd Scott"
decision of 1857.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
18 Sep 2005 05:34:44 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> posting the following on Sun, 18 Sep 2005
15:41:14 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
There is a direct and purposeful action by homosexual's to avoid seeking a
Constitutional amendment to validate their cause. Instead, they have opted
to use judicial fiat and the invasion of public schools to push their agenda
on an unwilling public. They do this for the express purpose of using
government and it resources to enforce their agenda. Do you deny this? Or do
you want to continue to call this fantasy?
There isn't a need for a Constitutional amendment. The case law is
already in place, as is the 14th Amendment.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
17 Sep 2005 11:32:55 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> posting the following on Sat, 17 Sep 2005
22:51:34 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
*****. You cannot prove any genetic link to homosexuality. Homosexuals
want special rights solely for their sexual preferences and for that they
can go straight to hell.
List these special rights. Remember, these have to be rights not
possessed by American citizens at large. Use references to where
leading GLBT groups have called for these rights.
In other words, I'm calling *****.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Kelo Disaster" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
18 Sep 2005 12:37:43 AM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:pdrpi1h958vhmp8dnruc8pl0nrn5sustvc@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> posting the following on Sat, 17 Sep 2005
22:51:34 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
*****. You cannot prove any genetic link to homosexuality. Homosexuals
want special rights solely for their sexual preferences and for that they
can go straight to hell.
List these special rights. Remember, these have to be rights not
possessed by American citizens at large. Use references to where
leading GLBT groups have called for these rights.
In other words, I'm calling *****.
No you're not. Your ducking the *fact* that there is no genetic connection
to homosexuality. If you're queer, then you're queer by choice and you can't
prove otherwise.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
18 Sep 2005 10:27:57 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> posting the following on Sun, 18 Sep 2005
00:37:43 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:pdrpi1h958vhmp8dnruc8pl0nrn5sustvc@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> posting the following on Sat, 17 Sep 2005
22:51:34 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
*****. You cannot prove any genetic link to homosexuality. Homosexuals
want special rights solely for their sexual preferences and for that they
can go straight to hell.
List these special rights. Remember, these have to be rights not
possessed by American citizens at large. Use references to where
leading GLBT groups have called for these rights.
In other words, I'm calling *****.
No you're not. Your ducking the *fact* that there is no genetic connection
to homosexuality. If you're queer, then you're queer by choice and you can't
prove otherwise.
Still no list of special rights, I notice.
Go read _Born Gay: the Psychobiology of Sex Orientation_ and learn
something about genetics and the effects of hormones in the womb.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Michael Altarriba" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
18 Sep 2005 05:38:22 AM |
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Kelo Disaster wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fpWdne7AkbW_RLHeRVn-qw@comcast.com...
Gary Eickmeier wrote:
Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
That's more like it. You are bigoted against gays, and proud of it.
I am WHAT? Bigoted? ***** you, *****. I am not in favor of
homosexuality. I do not think that more people should become
homosexuals. That is my opinion, and I am entitled to it without being
called a "bigot" or a "homophobe" or any of your other tags.
You are entitled to your opinion. But that opinion (homosexuality is a
disorder) is bigoted. Heck, if I felt homosexuality was a disorder, of
course I wouldn't be tolerant of it.
There is no genetic marker for homosexuality.
There is a difference between saying "there is no marker" (which is
your claim), and saying "no marker has been found." Twins' studies
support the contention that there is a genetic component to sexual
orientation.
Homosexuality is a choice,
Your evidence for this assertion?
a dangerous choice in which the consequences of their chosen sexual behavior
spreads beyond their population.
Two homosexuals who are STD-free and monogamous are no more dangerous
than a mixed-sex couple who are STD-free and monogamous.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
17 Sep 2005 11:31:25 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> posting the following on Sat, 17 Sep 2005
22:11:41 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
There is no genetic marker for homosexuality. Homosexuality is a choice, a
dangerous choice in which the consequences of their chosen sexual behavior
spreads beyond their population.
Nor is there a genetic marker for left-handiness. Yet no one is dumb
enough to claim that being a leftie is a choice.
I never chose my sexuality. I simply am bisexual.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Kelo Disaster" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
18 Sep 2005 12:29:47 AM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:6brpi1ljgkft5v86p74m4d7o8kn16cnm28@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> posting the following on Sat, 17 Sep 2005
22:11:41 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
There is no genetic marker for homosexuality. Homosexuality is a choice,
a
dangerous choice in which the consequences of their chosen sexual
behavior
spreads beyond their population.
Nor is there a genetic marker for left-handiness. Yet no one is dumb
enough to claim that being a leftie is a choice.
Anyone can be left-handed or right handed all it takes is practice. I can't
believe anyone is dumb enough to claim that as justification for their
sexual preference.
I never chose my sexuality. I simply am bisexual.
Well practiced, no doubt. The fact that you won't admit it's your choice is
telling.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
18 Sep 2005 12:39:37 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> posting the following on Sun, 18 Sep 2005
00:29:47 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:6brpi1ljgkft5v86p74m4d7o8kn16cnm28@4ax.com...
Nor is there a genetic marker for left-handiness. Yet no one is dumb
enough to claim that being a leftie is a choice.
Anyone can be left-handed or right handed all it takes is practice. I can't
believe anyone is dumb enough to claim that as justification for their
sexual preference.
No, handiness is determined before birth. Attempting to change that
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