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08 Sep 2005 09:19:14 AM |
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California And Gay Marriage |
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/sept/article102.html
California And Gay Marriage
By Nicholas Olson
Sept. 7, 2005
It was announced today that California is sending a bill to the governor
approving the rights of gays to marry. I say hurray for ending another form
of discrimination.
Republicans and their bible-thumping constituents can hem and haw all they
want about their sanctity and that it is against the nature of humanity and
whatever. All I have to say is that I am sick to my stomach that this form
of discrimination is even up for debate.
The stupidest argument I have heard in this whole ordeal is the one where
they have men and women marrying their pets. Let's be logical about this.
If a man wants to marry a woman, he needs her consent, at least in this
country. Since when does your dog ask you to marry it? I can see it now. It
gets down on one knee and pulls out this ring... Wait, that never happened.
The next argument is about sanctity. You know, when two heterosexual people
divorce at over 60 percent of all marriages and infidelity runs rampant and
don't get me started on alimony. Besides, if you want to get married in
this country, shouldn't gays have the same right to be as happy and
miserable as a hetero couple?
The most controversial reason why I am happy about this decision is because
it opens the door for the secular part of our culture to go for the jugular
of the religious right. You see, if you want to call marriage a religious
ceremony or a representation of their love before a spiritual being, then I
can go to the words of James Madison where he specifically noted that there
is a distinct separation of church and state. If religious people want to
keep their precious word "marriage," then they can do without the rights
afforded by our government to married people by having an equitable
separation of this right for all citizens. This would mean that you could
be married but get no benefit by it. After all, if it only matters in the
eyes of God that you are married then be married with no benefits.
Anti-homosexual sentiment is born out of need to discriminate against
something. At once mixed race marriage was looked down upon, so will we
adapt to gay marriage.
Americans are going to have to start realizing that change is going to come
in the form of the future youth, those that feel that the current adults
are messing things up, will not tolerate the indignities of the past. It
happened in the 1860s, it happened in the 1960s and it will happen in the
not-so-distant future. Learn to deal. California is on their way. Why not
in your state?
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About the author: Nicholas Olson is a long-time journalist who has been a
columnist at his college newspaper and is currently a military journalist.
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16 Sep 2005 11:16:38 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Fri, 16 Sep 2005
19:02:48 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
So we change the definition. No problem :-)
<LOL> Don't hold your breath on that....
Is already happening.
In your dreams, perhaps...
Ever hear of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts? Not only is gay
marriage legal there, but the legislature just defeated a measure that
would have put an anti-gay marriage amendment before the voters.. the
vote wasn;t even close.
Nation after nation is accepting same sex marriage, and civilization
hasn't fallen!
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Michael Altarriba" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
17 Sep 2005 12:46:30 AM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Fri, 16 Sep 2005
19:02:48 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
So we change the definition. No problem :-)
<LOL> Don't hold your breath on that....
Is already happening.
In your dreams, perhaps...
Ever hear of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts? Not only is gay
marriage legal there, but the legislature just defeated a measure that
would have put an anti-gay marriage amendment before the voters.. the
vote wasn;t even close.
Nation after nation is accepting same sex marriage, and civilization
hasn't fallen!
--
Great news! Things are looking a bit grim here in California, but the
changing demographics will eventually swing things to the side of
justice. I hope.
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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17 Sep 2005 12:06:59 PM |
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Michael Altarriba wrote:
Douglas Berry wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Fri, 16 Sep 2005
19:02:48 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
So we change the definition. No problem :-)
<LOL> Don't hold your breath on that....
Is already happening.
In your dreams, perhaps...
Ever hear of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts? Not only is gay
marriage legal there, but the legislature just defeated a measure that
would have put an anti-gay marriage amendment before the voters.. the
vote wasn;t even close.
Nation after nation is accepting same sex marriage, and civilization
hasn't fallen!
--
Great news! Things are looking a bit grim here in California, but the
changing demographics will eventually swing things to the side of
justice. I hope.
You expect fundamentalist Mormons to come in and change the
definition of marriage?
Michael
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| User: "stoney" |
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17 Sep 2005 10:44:38 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 04:16:38 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Fri, 16 Sep 2005
19:02:48 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
So we change the definition. No problem :-)
<LOL> Don't hold your breath on that....
Is already happening.
In your dreams, perhaps...
Ever hear of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts? Not only is gay
marriage legal there, but the legislature just defeated a measure that
would have put an anti-gay marriage amendment before the voters.. the
vote wasn;t even close.
Nation after nation is accepting same sex marriage, and civilization
hasn't fallen!
Civilization is trying to rise despite the efforts of the bronze-age
barbarians.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "nevermore" |
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17 Sep 2005 11:08:23 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 04:16:38 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Fri, 16 Sep 2005
19:02:48 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
So we change the definition. No problem :-)
<LOL> Don't hold your breath on that....
Is already happening.
In your dreams, perhaps...
Ever hear of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts? Not only is gay
marriage legal there, but the legislature just defeated a measure that
would have put an anti-gay marriage amendment before the voters.. the
vote wasn;t even close.
Try taking that marriage certificate to Florida... or most other
states...
Nation after nation is accepting same sex marriage, and civilization
hasn't fallen!
--
Steve
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| User: "thomas p" |
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17 Sep 2005 05:38:42 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:08:23 -0400, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 04:16:38 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Fri, 16 Sep 2005
19:02:48 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
So we change the definition. No problem :-)
<LOL> Don't hold your breath on that....
Is already happening.
In your dreams, perhaps...
Ever hear of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts? Not only is gay
marriage legal there, but the legislature just defeated a measure that
would have put an anti-gay marriage amendment before the voters.. the
vote wasn;t even close.
Try taking that marriage certificate to Florida... or most other
states...
Whatever might happen does not change the fact that same-sex marriage
is a legal reality in Mass. etc.
Nation after nation is accepting same sex marriage, and civilization
hasn't fallen!
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "nevermore" |
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17 Sep 2005 08:22:52 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 00:38:42 +0200, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:08:23 -0400, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 04:16:38 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Fri, 16 Sep 2005
19:02:48 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
So we change the definition. No problem :-)
<LOL> Don't hold your breath on that....
Is already happening.
In your dreams, perhaps...
Ever hear of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts? Not only is gay
marriage legal there, but the legislature just defeated a measure that
would have put an anti-gay marriage amendment before the voters.. the
vote wasn;t even close.
Try taking that marriage certificate to Florida... or most other
states...
Whatever might happen does not change the fact that same-sex marriage
is a legal reality in Mass. etc.
Hey, and as long as you stay in Massachusetts you're covered... Too
bad for you that Massachusetts is such a small place.
--
Steve
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| User: "thomas p" |
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18 Sep 2005 05:14:32 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:22:52 -0400, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 00:38:42 +0200, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:08:23 -0400, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 04:16:38 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Fri, 16 Sep 2005
19:02:48 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
So we change the definition. No problem :-)
<LOL> Don't hold your breath on that....
Is already happening.
In your dreams, perhaps...
Ever hear of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts? Not only is gay
marriage legal there, but the legislature just defeated a measure that
would have put an anti-gay marriage amendment before the voters.. the
vote wasn;t even close.
Try taking that marriage certificate to Florida... or most other
states...
Whatever might happen does not change the fact that same-sex marriage
is a legal reality in Mass. etc.
Hey, and as long as you stay in Massachusetts you're covered... Too
bad for you that Massachusetts is such a small place.
Congratulations, once again you admit that you were wrong, that
same-sex marriage does exist. Good man!
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "nevermore" |
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18 Sep 2005 07:10:17 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:14:32 +0200, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:22:52 -0400, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 00:38:42 +0200, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:08:23 -0400, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 04:16:38 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Fri, 16 Sep 2005
19:02:48 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
So we change the definition. No problem :-)
<LOL> Don't hold your breath on that....
Is already happening.
In your dreams, perhaps...
Ever hear of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts? Not only is gay
marriage legal there, but the legislature just defeated a measure that
would have put an anti-gay marriage amendment before the voters.. the
vote wasn;t even close.
Try taking that marriage certificate to Florida... or most other
states...
Whatever might happen does not change the fact that same-sex marriage
is a legal reality in Mass. etc.
Hey, and as long as you stay in Massachusetts you're covered... Too
bad for you that Massachusetts is such a small place.
Congratulations, once again you admit that you were wrong, that
same-sex marriage does exist. Good man!
I'm happy that you're so satisfied with it all...
--
Steve
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| User: "thomas p" |
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18 Sep 2005 03:10:38 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 08:10:17 -0400, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:14:32 +0200, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
snip
Hey, and as long as you stay in Massachusetts you're covered... Too
bad for you that Massachusetts is such a small place.
Congratulations, once again you admit that you were wrong, that
same-sex marriage does exist. Good man!
I'm happy that you're so satisfied with it all...
Yes, I know.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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17 Sep 2005 12:51:28 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Sat, 17 Sep 2005
12:08:23 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 04:16:38 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Fri, 16 Sep 2005
19:02:48 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
So we change the definition. No problem :-)
<LOL> Don't hold your breath on that....
Is already happening.
In your dreams, perhaps...
Ever hear of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts? Not only is gay
marriage legal there, but the legislature just defeated a measure that
would have put an anti-gay marriage amendment before the voters.. the
vote wasn;t even close.
Try taking that marriage certificate to Florida... or most other
states...
Those cases will start to hit the courts soon. Time to read the
Constitution and the court cases again!
There have been dozens of rulings making it clear that marriages are
legal in all fifty states as long as they were performed legally in
one state. That's how Nevada became the marrage capital of the
World.. the extremely simple and fast marriage and divorce laws made
it a popular destination for those eloping.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Kelo Disaster" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
17 Sep 2005 06:11:57 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:anloi1tm3jl9vqll07ab6gvi07eeh8a6rl@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Sat, 17 Sep 2005
12:08:23 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 04:16:38 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Fri, 16 Sep 2005
19:02:48 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
So we change the definition. No problem :-)
<LOL> Don't hold your breath on that....
Is already happening.
In your dreams, perhaps...
Ever hear of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts? Not only is gay
marriage legal there, but the legislature just defeated a measure that
would have put an anti-gay marriage amendment before the voters.. the
vote wasn;t even close.
Try taking that marriage certificate to Florida... or most other
states...
Those cases will start to hit the courts soon. Time to read the
Constitution and the court cases again!
The Constitution is totally useless for the purpose of standing as a
foundation of United States law. *Totally Useless*. It's only about *who*
has the power now.
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| User: "1896 Dead" |
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17 Sep 2005 06:20:44 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 18:11:57 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:anloi1tm3jl9vqll07ab6gvi07eeh8a6rl@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Sat, 17 Sep 2005
12:08:23 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 04:16:38 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Fri, 16 Sep 2005
19:02:48 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
So we change the definition. No problem :-)
<LOL> Don't hold your breath on that....
Is already happening.
In your dreams, perhaps...
Ever hear of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts? Not only is gay
marriage legal there, but the legislature just defeated a measure that
would have put an anti-gay marriage amendment before the voters.. the
vote wasn;t even close.
Try taking that marriage certificate to Florida... or most other
states...
Those cases will start to hit the courts soon. Time to read the
Constitution and the court cases again!
The Constitution is totally useless for the purpose of standing as a
foundation of United States law. *Totally Useless*. It's only about *who*
has the power now.
If you're right, America is truly finished.
"'I’m not meeting with that goddamned *****,' Bush screamed at aides
who suggested he meet with Cindy Sheehan, the war-protesting mother
whose son died in Iraq. 'She can go to hell as far as I’m concerned!'"
--Putsch, a decompensating drunk
"Grover Norquist couldn't drown the government, so he drowned New Orleans instead."
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary,
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
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| User: "Josh Rosenbluth" |
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17 Sep 2005 01:34:19 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
Ever hear of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts? Not only is gay
marriage legal there, but the legislature just defeated a measure that
would have put an anti-gay marriage amendment before the voters.. the
vote wasn;t even close.
Try taking that marriage certificate to Florida... or most other
states...
Those cases will start to hit the courts soon. Time to read the
Constitution and the court cases again!
The 11th circuit ruled this year that FL does not have to recognize a
same-sex marriage performed in MA.
Josh Rosenbluth
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| User: "nevermore" |
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17 Sep 2005 01:02:47 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:51:28 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Sat, 17 Sep 2005
12:08:23 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 04:16:38 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Fri, 16 Sep 2005
19:02:48 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
So we change the definition. No problem :-)
<LOL> Don't hold your breath on that....
Is already happening.
In your dreams, perhaps...
Ever hear of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts? Not only is gay
marriage legal there, but the legislature just defeated a measure that
would have put an anti-gay marriage amendment before the voters.. the
vote wasn;t even close.
Try taking that marriage certificate to Florida... or most other
states...
Those cases will start to hit the courts soon. Time to read the
Constitution and the court cases again!
Sorry, but it aint going to fly...
There have been dozens of rulings making it clear that marriages are
legal in all fifty states as long as they were performed legally in
one state. That's how Nevada became the marrage capital of the
World.. the extremely simple and fast marriage and divorce laws made
it a popular destination for those eloping.
The 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, signed by Bill Clinton, defined
marriage for federal purposes as between one woman and one man. The
law also said individual states were not obliged to honor gay marriage
laws passed in other states.
--
Steve
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
17 Sep 2005 07:50:07 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Sat, 17 Sep 2005
14:02:47 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
Those cases will start to hit the courts soon. Time to read the
Constitution and the court cases again!
Sorry, but it aint going to fly...
That's exactly what the segregationists said about the Civil Rights
Act.
There have been dozens of rulings making it clear that marriages are
legal in all fifty states as long as they were performed legally in
one state. That's how Nevada became the marrage capital of the
World.. the extremely simple and fast marriage and divorce laws made
it a popular destination for those eloping.
The 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, signed by Bill Clinton, defined
marriage for federal purposes as between one woman and one man. The
law also said individual states were not obliged to honor gay marriage
laws passed in other states.
And that Act blatantly violates the equal protection clause, as well
as Article IV, Section 1 of the US Constitution.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "nevermore" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
17 Sep 2005 08:33:16 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 00:50:07 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Sat, 17 Sep 2005
14:02:47 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
Those cases will start to hit the courts soon. Time to read the
Constitution and the court cases again!
Sorry, but it aint going to fly...
That's exactly what the segregationists said about the Civil Rights
Act.
There have been dozens of rulings making it clear that marriages are
legal in all fifty states as long as they were performed legally in
one state. That's how Nevada became the marrage capital of the
World.. the extremely simple and fast marriage and divorce laws made
it a popular destination for those eloping.
The 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, signed by Bill Clinton, defined
marriage for federal purposes as between one woman and one man. The
law also said individual states were not obliged to honor gay marriage
laws passed in other states.
And that Act blatantly violates the equal protection clause, as well
as Article IV, Section 1 of the US Constitution.
Well, you know that's your opinion, but you're not a majority of the
SCOTUS, are you?
So tell me, if you would be so kind, what exactly is your objection to
having "Civil Union License" instead of "Marriage license" written on
top of the union's contractual license if everything else on that
document is exactly the same?
--
Steve
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
17 Sep 2005 11:23:52 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Sat, 17 Sep 2005
21:33:16 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
Well, you know that's your opinion, but you're not a majority of the
SCOTUS, are you?
So tell me, if you would be so kind, what exactly is your objection to
having "Civil Union License" instead of "Marriage license" written on
top of the union's contractual license if everything else on that
document is exactly the same?
Because I object to anything that smells of "separate, but equal."
Because invariably, they aren't. Which is why the Supreme Court ruled
the way it did in Brown v. Topeka Board of Education.
We are either one nation, with civil rights protected by law, or we
are no longer America.
What is you objection to the word marriage being used for legal unions
between same sex adults? My marriage, childless and religionless as
it is, doesn't seem to phase you. So why the screaming objections?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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18 Sep 2005 07:10:16 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 04:23:52 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Sat, 17 Sep 2005
21:33:16 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
Well, you know that's your opinion, but you're not a majority of the
SCOTUS, are you?
So tell me, if you would be so kind, what exactly is your objection to
having "Civil Union License" instead of "Marriage license" written on
top of the union's contractual license if everything else on that
document is exactly the same?
Because I object to anything that smells of "separate, but equal."
There's always going to be many many things that are distinctly
separate, but equal.
Because invariably, they aren't. Which is why the Supreme Court ruled
the way it did in Brown v. Topeka Board of Education.
Actually, I believe that you're just trying to find a way to make
society accept homosexuality as normal, but of course this won't do
it.
We are either one nation, with civil rights protected by law, or we
are no longer America.
What is you objection to the word marriage being used for legal unions
between same sex adults? My marriage, childless and religionless as
it is, doesn't seem to phase you. So why the screaming objections?
Actually, I never even objected, ya moron, let alone screaming
objections, in fact I said that I don;t really have any problems with
it... I was just telling you that I don't think gay marriage will
happen, at least not on a wide scale, in the USA.
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18 Sep 2005 10:41:39 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Sun, 18 Sep 2005
08:10:16 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 04:23:52 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Because I object to anything that smells of "separate, but equal."
There's always going to be many many things that are distinctly
separate, but equal.
List the current laws of these United States that support separate but
equal facilities or accomodations.
Because invariably, they aren't. Which is why the Supreme Court ruled
the way it did in Brown v. Topeka Board of Education.
Actually, I believe that you're just trying to find a way to make
society accept homosexuality as normal, but of course this won't do
it.
Nope. Society will do what it wants. I'm looking to make sure that
all Americans have access to a fundamental human right.
We are either one nation, with civil rights protected by law, or we
are no longer America.
What is you objection to the word marriage being used for legal unions
between same sex adults? My marriage, childless and religionless as
it is, doesn't seem to phase you. So why the screaming objections?
Actually, I never even objected, ya moron, let alone screaming
objections, in fact I said that I don;t really have any problems with
it... I was just telling you that I don't think gay marriage will
happen, at least not on a wide scale, in the USA.
Over 6,500 in Mass so far, and no sign of slowing down.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "nevermore" |
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18 Sep 2005 07:25:00 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:41:39 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Sun, 18 Sep 2005
08:10:16 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 04:23:52 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Because I object to anything that smells of "separate, but equal."
There's always going to be many many things that are distinctly
separate, but equal.
List the current laws of these United States that support separate but
equal facilities or accomodations.
High school, college, and even pro sports is one area...
Because invariably, they aren't. Which is why the Supreme Court ruled
the way it did in Brown v. Topeka Board of Education.
Actually, I believe that you're just trying to find a way to make
society accept homosexuality as normal, but of course this won't do
it.
Nope. Society will do what it wants. I'm looking to make sure that
all Americans have access to a fundamental human right.
All of those in this area can be achieved with a civil union.
We are either one nation, with civil rights protected by law, or we
are no longer America.
What is you objection to the word marriage being used for legal unions
between same sex adults? My marriage, childless and religionless as
it is, doesn't seem to phase you. So why the screaming objections?
Actually, I never even objected, ya moron, let alone screaming
objections, in fact I said that I don;t really have any problems with
it... I was just telling you that I don't think gay marriage will
happen, at least not on a wide scale, in the USA.
Over 6,500 in Mass so far, and no sign of slowing down.
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Steve
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19 Sep 2005 07:32:42 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Sun, 18 Sep 2005
20:25:00 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:41:39 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
List the current laws of these United States that support separate but
equal facilities or accomodations.
High school, college, and even pro sports is one area...
I asked for laws, sir. Cite some laws.
Nope. Society will do what it wants. I'm looking to make sure that
all Americans have access to a fundamental human right.
All of those in this area can be achieved with a civil union.
"Separate but equal" was struck down by the Supreme Court a half
century ago.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "nevermore" |
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19 Sep 2005 08:30:19 AM |
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:32:42 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Sun, 18 Sep 2005
20:25:00 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:41:39 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
List the current laws of these United States that support separate but
equal facilities or accomodations.
High school, college, and even pro sports is one area...
I asked for laws, sir. Cite some laws.
Title Nine is a federal law that prohibits high schools and colleges
that receive federal funds from discriminating on the basis of gender.
Title Nine is most commonly invoked to ensure equal opportunities for
girls and women in high school and college athletics.
Nope. Society will do what it wants. I'm looking to make sure that
all Americans have access to a fundamental human right.
All of those in this area can be achieved with a civil union.
"Separate but equal" was struck down by the Supreme Court a half
century ago.
....and yet it exists under Title Nine...
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Steve
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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19 Sep 2005 07:19:18 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Mon, 19 Sep 2005
09:30:19 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:32:42 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
High school, college, and even pro sports is one area...
I asked for laws, sir. Cite some laws.
Title Nine is a federal law that prohibits high schools and colleges
that receive federal funds from discriminating on the basis of gender.
Title Nine is most commonly invoked to ensure equal opportunities for
girls and women in high school and college athletics.
Which supports equality. Not separate but equal, but equality.
And if you look closely, you'll notice that women are beginning to
play traditionally male sports, and men are playing some that are
traditionally women's.
"Separate but equal" was struck down by the Supreme Court a half
century ago.
...and yet it exists under Title Nine...
Except Title Nine has to do with funding. Not at all the same thing.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "nevermore" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
20 Sep 2005 05:35:00 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:19:18 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Mon, 19 Sep 2005
09:30:19 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:32:42 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
High school, college, and even pro sports is one area...
I asked for laws, sir. Cite some laws.
Title Nine is a federal law that prohibits high schools and colleges
that receive federal funds from discriminating on the basis of gender.
Title Nine is most commonly invoked to ensure equal opportunities for
girls and women in high school and college athletics.
Which supports equality. Not separate but equal, but equality.
And if you look closely, you'll notice that women are beginning to
play traditionally male sports, and men are playing some that are
traditionally women's.
But the women are quite separate from the men's teams....
"Separate but equal" was struck down by the Supreme Court a half
century ago.
...and yet it exists under Title Nine...
Except Title Nine has to do with funding. Not at all the same thing.
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Steve
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
20 Sep 2005 07:40:04 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Tue, 20 Sep 2005
06:35:00 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
And if you look closely, you'll notice that women are beginning to
play traditionally male sports, and men are playing some that are
traditionally women's.
But the women are quite separate from the men's teams....
Not so much anymore.. a couple of schools have had female place
kickers on their fotball teams, and I know I've heard of a woman
playing on the baseball team at one of the CSU schools.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "nevermore" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
20 Sep 2005 09:27:44 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:40:04 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Tue, 20 Sep 2005
06:35:00 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
And if you look closely, you'll notice that women are beginning to
play traditionally male sports, and men are playing some that are
traditionally women's.
But the women are quite separate from the men's teams....
Not so much anymore.. a couple of schools have had female place
kickers on their fotball teams, and I know I've heard of a woman
playing on the baseball team at one of the CSU schools.
You won't see women on men's basketball teams... you won't see it on
golf teams...both of these, and others are separate but equal.
"Me, I was born under the altar of man-love. Heh heh
heh. queer as a three dollar bill, that's me. And damn
proud of it, too."
--Zepp/Greywolf Jamieson Nov 29 2000
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.startrek.creative.erotica.moderated/msg/85b927a7b7981ae3?hl=en
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20 Sep 2005 09:40:48 AM |
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"nevermore" <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote in message
news:8850j1drh8it86dbphaopihen8r4c5c0cp@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:40:04 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Tue, 20 Sep 2005
06:35:00 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
And if you look closely, you'll notice that women are beginning to
play traditionally male sports, and men are playing some that are
traditionally women's.
But the women are quite separate from the men's teams....
Not so much anymore.. a couple of schools have had female place
kickers on their fotball teams, and I know I've heard of a woman
playing on the baseball team at one of the CSU schools.
You won't see women on men's basketball teams... you won't see it on
golf teams...both of these, and others are separate but equal.
Yeah but, science can make women muscular, grow beards and drive
SUV's...why, the other day on the teevee I saw a 5'2" gal whip an entire
Marine platoon without even mussing her hair. They're not only equal,
they're better-stronger-faster!
I'm surprised you didn't know that. ;)
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20 Sep 2005 05:14:21 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Tue, 20 Sep 2005
10:27:44 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:40:04 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Not so much anymore.. a couple of schools have had female place
kickers on their fotball teams, and I know I've heard of a woman
playing on the baseball team at one of the CSU schools.
You won't see women on men's basketball teams... you won't see it on
golf teams...both of these, and others are separate but equal.
Why not? Michael Wie has played in men's events in golf, and done
well (even hitting from the men's tees.)
As for basketball, if 5' 2" Mugsy Bogues can become a star in the NBA,
why not a talented woman?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "nevermore" |
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20 Sep 2005 06:02:24 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:14:21 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> posting the following on Tue, 20 Sep 2005
10:27:44 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:40:04 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Not so much anymore.. a couple of schools have had female place
kickers on their fotball teams, and I know I've heard of a woman
playing on the baseball team at one of the CSU schools.
You won't see women on men's basketball teams... you won't see it on
golf teams...both of these, and others are separate but equal.
Why not? Michael Wie has played in men's events in golf, and done
well (even hitting from the men's tees.)
hey, that's an excellent idea.. do away with all the equal funding
for women sports in high schools and colleges and let the women
compete with the men.....
As for basketball, if 5' 2" Mugsy Bogues can become a star in the NBA,
why not a talented woman?
"Me, I was born under the altar of man-love. Heh heh
heh. queer as a three dollar bill, that's me. And damn
proud of it, too."
--Zepp/Greywolf Jamieson Nov 29 2000
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.startrek.creative.erotica.moderated/msg/85b927a7b7981ae3?hl=en
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