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08 Sep 2005 09:19:14 AM |
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California And Gay Marriage |
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/sept/article102.html
California And Gay Marriage
By Nicholas Olson
Sept. 7, 2005
It was announced today that California is sending a bill to the governor
approving the rights of gays to marry. I say hurray for ending another form
of discrimination.
Republicans and their bible-thumping constituents can hem and haw all they
want about their sanctity and that it is against the nature of humanity and
whatever. All I have to say is that I am sick to my stomach that this form
of discrimination is even up for debate.
The stupidest argument I have heard in this whole ordeal is the one where
they have men and women marrying their pets. Let's be logical about this.
If a man wants to marry a woman, he needs her consent, at least in this
country. Since when does your dog ask you to marry it? I can see it now. It
gets down on one knee and pulls out this ring... Wait, that never happened.
The next argument is about sanctity. You know, when two heterosexual people
divorce at over 60 percent of all marriages and infidelity runs rampant and
don't get me started on alimony. Besides, if you want to get married in
this country, shouldn't gays have the same right to be as happy and
miserable as a hetero couple?
The most controversial reason why I am happy about this decision is because
it opens the door for the secular part of our culture to go for the jugular
of the religious right. You see, if you want to call marriage a religious
ceremony or a representation of their love before a spiritual being, then I
can go to the words of James Madison where he specifically noted that there
is a distinct separation of church and state. If religious people want to
keep their precious word "marriage," then they can do without the rights
afforded by our government to married people by having an equitable
separation of this right for all citizens. This would mean that you could
be married but get no benefit by it. After all, if it only matters in the
eyes of God that you are married then be married with no benefits.
Anti-homosexual sentiment is born out of need to discriminate against
something. At once mixed race marriage was looked down upon, so will we
adapt to gay marriage.
Americans are going to have to start realizing that change is going to come
in the form of the future youth, those that feel that the current adults
are messing things up, will not tolerate the indignities of the past. It
happened in the 1860s, it happened in the 1960s and it will happen in the
not-so-distant future. Learn to deal. California is on their way. Why not
in your state?
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About the author: Nicholas Olson is a long-time journalist who has been a
columnist at his college newspaper and is currently a military journalist.
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The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
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19 Sep 2005 12:01:19 AM |
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Really? The burden of proof is totally on me, eh? You're the one that
asserted that kids will get confused. I did not. You prove it.
You are the one who wants to marry a man, so you should present an
evidences that it is not going to confuse kids.
I'm a straight, married man, and I'd like to know how same-sex marriage
is going to confuse kids. Are the kids in Spain, Canada, The
Netherlands and the State of Massachusetts (all places where same-sex
marriage is legal) confused? What evidence can you provide?
Logic is on my side so I do not need to prove anyting.
Logic is a tool. To apply it correctly, you reason from starting axioms
to a desired conclusion. However, those axioms must themselves be
supported in some way, and the logical operations which lead from the
axioms to the conclusion must be correct.
Kids know that the only way to replenish human population...
The world is in no shortage of people. How will same-sex marriage cause
all those births to stop happening? After all, same-sex marriage exists
in many places, and babies are still being born in those very same
places.
It would appear that the evidence is against you.
... it is marriage and a family, ...
Babies are born outside of marriage. There are many different kinds of
families.
but if someone like you come to the school and assert that same thing can be
reached by legalizing sodomy between two man that will create a confusion at
very least.
I can see this will take some work:
1. Same-sex marriage is legal now in many places.
2. In those places, babies are being born to women who are married,
single, and members of lesbian couples.
3. In those places, both mixed-sex and same-sex couples are raising
children.
4. There are many children who are in foster homes, and in need of
families who will raise them.
5. Single adults, same-sex couples and mixed-sex couples are all
adopting children and having families.
6. Sodomy is enjoyed by both mixed-sex and same-sex couples. This has
not stopped babies from being born.
7. All of the studies to date show no appreciable difference between
children raised by mixed-sex couples and those raised by same-sex
couples. The children of same-sex couples don't appear to be confused.
Now, that evidence can you offer to counter the seven points I have
just presented?
Do you have any? Any at all?
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| User: "" |
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19 Sep 2005 01:15:30 AM |
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I'm a straight, married man, and I'd like to know how same-sex marriage
is going to confuse kids. Are the kids in Spain, Canada
rewind couple of messages back and you will find it. I have not idea
what is going on in kid's mind, however I know that if you present
confusing statements it will create confusion.
The world is in no shortage of people. How will same-sex marriage cause
all those births to stop happening?
There is a shortage of people in industrialized nations, population of
native europeans is decreasing, (use libraries and internet to educate
yourself) and I did not say it is happening solely because of
gay-marriage. My opinion is that disrespect to institution of marriage
and family is a main reason for low birth rate.
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| User: "Michael Altarriba" |
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19 Sep 2005 11:11:03 AM |
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I'm a straight, married man, and I'd like to know how same-sex marriage
is going to confuse kids. Are the kids in Spain, Canada
rewind couple of messages back and you will find it. I have not idea
what is going on in kid's mind, however I know that if you present
confusing statements it will create confusion.
I suspect most children are less easily confused than you.
<rest snipped>
Your posts are starting to sound like "The moon is made of green
cheese, and that is why same-sex marriage is bad."
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| User: "" |
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19 Sep 2005 12:51:24 AM |
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Now, that evidence can you offer to counter the seven points I have just presented?
I think it is silly, why should I counter your points. You can think
whatever you want, you already set a goal to destroy institution of
marriage, so you just trying to find justification for your actions. I
presented you reasons why I think same sex union should not be
equialized with marriage. Unfortunately some things cannot be proven,
it just the way it is, whether you like it or not. For example it is
very hard to prove why we should work during the day and sleep during
the night. It just our nature, it does not matter how fiercely you
fight against nature, nature always prevails, but many lives (if not
all) will be lost in the process.
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| User: "Michael Altarriba" |
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19 Sep 2005 11:08:47 AM |
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Now, that evidence can you offer to counter the seven points I have just presented?
I think it is silly, why should I counter your points.
You should address them because they constitute, IMO, very pursuasive
evidence that your position is without merit... especially since you
have failed to provide any supporting evidence of your own. All you've
given us, in effect, is "chirabbit says so."
You can think whatever you want, you already set a goal to destroy
institution of marriage,
I'm a happily married man. Why would I want to destroy an institution I
spent no little effort joining? Also, I've told you, and am telling
you, again that I do not want to destroy the intitution of marriage.
Indeed, I want to strenghten it.
So please, stop making that false claim.
so you just trying to find justification for your actions. I
presented you reasons why I think same sex union should not be
equialized with marriage. Unfortunately some things cannot be proven,
it just the way it is, whether you like it or not.
Then you offer us nothing but unsubstantiated opinion. Why should we
take it seriously?
For example it is
very hard to prove why we should work during the day and sleep during
the night.
Well, that depends on exactly what you mean... your language is very
imprecise.
It just our nature, it does not matter how fiercely you
fight against nature, nature always prevails, but many lives (if not
all) will be lost in the process.
It is the nature of homosexuals to feel romantic and/or sexual
attraction to members of their own gender, and to form pair bonds with
them. By not allowing them to marry, you are working against their
natures.
Now, tell me, exactly how will "many lives (if not all) will be lost",
if same-sex marriage is legal, taking into account that it is already
legal in many places?
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| User: "thomas p" |
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19 Sep 2005 03:27:25 PM |
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On 18 Sep 2005 13:46:46 -0700, wrote:
Perhaps because writing prescriptions is not a civil right. Your analogy is absurd.
same as ***** that you trying to promote.
Definition of civil right - the common consent of society at large to
the rules under which its members live.
Marriage has been defined by the Court as a civil right. Civil rights
exist are not decided by simple majority votes.
So everyone agreed a long time ago what the marriage is, it is a system
that includes definition and structure, that serves as incentive to
preserve families.
There is no law that says any such thing.
Your has nothing to do with civil rights you just
want to destory the system.
I have no idea what you are talking about, in that we have something
in common. Marriage has been determined by the courts to be a civil
right. Nothing I have said indicates any desire to destroy marriage.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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18 Sep 2005 05:32:23 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and posting the
following on 18 Sep 2005 13:46:46 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
Perhaps because writing prescriptions is not a civil right. Your analogy is absurd.
same as ***** that you trying to promote.
Definition of civil right - the common consent of society at large to
the rules under which its members live.
So everyone agreed a long time ago what the marriage is, it is a system
that includes definition and structure, that serves as incentive to
preserve families. Your has nothing to do with civil rights you just
want to destory the system.
When the Bill of Rights was written, blacks in this country were
slaves. Society at large agreed this was right.
That opinion changed.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "stoney" |
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19 Sep 2005 11:24:25 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:32:23 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and posting the
following on 18 Sep 2005 13:46:46 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
Perhaps because writing prescriptions is not a civil right. Your analogy is absurd.
same as ***** that you trying to promote.
Definition of civil right - the common consent of society at large to
the rules under which its members live.
So everyone agreed a long time ago what the marriage is, it is a system
that includes definition and structure, that serves as incentive to
preserve families. Your has nothing to do with civil rights you just
want to destory the system.
When the Bill of Rights was written, blacks in this country were
slaves. Society at large agreed this was right.
That opinion changed.
And when the Bill of Rights was written 'men' did not include the
ladies.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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18 Sep 2005 05:31:00 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and posting the
following on 18 Sep 2005 11:22:55 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
Gays and lesbians don't have the legal right
(everywhere except Massachusetts, that is) to marry the consenting
adult of their choice. Straight people do
How come right to write drug prescription is given exclusively to
doctors?
Ah, you're getting desperate. Good.
Doctors can write prescriptions because misused drugs have a
definable, immediate effect upon the health of the person taking them.
Please define the immediate physical effects, as demonstrated in
medical literature, of having two gay strangers marry in your home
state.
Why only military personnel have a right to blow the bombs?
They don't. Civil engineers, special effects technicians, police bomb
squad members, farmers, miners... lots of people can blow ***** up.
Hell, I've got a valid demolitions certification hanging on the wall
right now!
But again, misused explosives can maim, kill, and cause unnecessary
property damage. Please cite references to when a gay marriage caused
a massive pressure overshock moving at speeds of at least 26,400 feet
per second.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Khendon" |
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18 Sep 2005 09:40:09 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:r8qri1tmjmconq9l1ds5m44utu1c1lig78@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and posting the
following on 18 Sep 2005 11:22:55 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
Gays and lesbians don't have the legal right
(everywhere except Massachusetts, that is) to marry the consenting
adult of their choice. Straight people do
How come right to write drug prescription is given exclusively to
doctors?
Ah, you're getting desperate. Good.
Doctors can write prescriptions because misused drugs have a
definable, immediate effect upon the health of the person taking them.
Please define the immediate physical effects, as demonstrated in
medical literature, of having two gay strangers marry in your home
state.
Why only military personnel have a right to blow the bombs?
They don't. Civil engineers, special effects technicians, police bomb
squad members, farmers, miners... lots of people can blow ***** up.
Hell, I've got a valid demolitions certification hanging on the wall
right now!
But again, misused explosives can maim, kill, and cause unnecessary
property damage. Please cite references to when a gay marriage caused
a massive pressure overshock moving at speeds of at least 26,400 feet
per second.
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Actually, the "pressure overshock" occurs when the rock-hard craniums of the
bigots explode from the realization that *they can't stop equality from
coming*.
And I've yet to see what "damage" the 35+ year commitment that my aunt and
her wife have to each other has done to society - it's actually been quite
enriching to the lives of those around them...
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| User: "" |
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18 Sep 2005 09:58:46 PM |
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And I've yet to see what "damage" the 35+ year commitment that my aunt and
her wife have to each other has done to society - it's actually been quite
enriching to the lives of those around them...
Unfortunately, you, personally is not going to see it, future
generations will, and result of your igonrance and selfishness is more
damaging then tons of explosives.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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19 Sep 2005 08:34:14 AM |
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<chirabbit@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1127098726.445259.277940@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
And I've yet to see what "damage" the 35+ year commitment that my aunt
and
her wife have to each other has done to society - it's actually been
quite
enriching to the lives of those around them...
Unfortunately, you, personally is not going to see it, future
generations will, and result of your igonrance and selfishness is more
damaging then tons of explosives.
You still haven't explained the damage you think this relationship will
cause.
Pretty good at spewing hate, though. I'll give you that.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "stoney" |
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19 Sep 2005 11:29:48 AM |
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:34:14 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<chirabbit@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1127098726.445259.277940@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
And I've yet to see what "damage" the 35+ year commitment that my aunt
and
her wife have to each other has done to society - it's actually been
quite
enriching to the lives of those around them...
Unfortunately, you, personally is not going to see it, future
generations will, and result of your igonrance and selfishness is more
damaging then tons of explosives.
You still haven't explained the damage you think this relationship will
cause.
Pretty good at spewing hate, though. I'll give you that.
Hate is Christian Brand Love.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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18 Sep 2005 10:35:52 PM |
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wrote:
And I've yet to see what "damage" the 35+ year commitment that my aunt and
her wife have to each other has done to society - it's actually been quite
enriching to the lives of those around them...
Unfortunately, you, personally is not going to see it, future
generations will, and result of your igonrance and selfishness is more
damaging then tons of explosives.
Then, can you quantify this "damage?"
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth *
* and nothing but the truth; so help me me." *
* --George Burns as God *
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
19 Sep 2005 09:39:34 PM |
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"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:smqXe.1423$Az1.43@trnddc07...
chirabbit@gmail.com wrote:
And I've yet to see what "damage" the 35+ year commitment that my aunt
and
her wife have to each other has done to society - it's actually been
quite
enriching to the lives of those around them...
Unfortunately, you, personally is not going to see it, future
generations will, and result of your igonrance and selfishness is more
damaging then tons of explosives.
Then, can you quantify this "damage?"
I've asked this question many times over the years. I have never received a
reply. The "damage" is something they just pull out of their *****.
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| User: "stoney" |
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21 Sep 2005 04:57:17 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:39:34 +0800, "Peacenik"
<cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:smqXe.1423$Az1.43@trnddc07...
chirabbit@gmail.com wrote:
And I've yet to see what "damage" the 35+ year commitment that my aunt
and
her wife have to each other has done to society - it's actually been
quite
enriching to the lives of those around them...
Unfortunately, you, personally is not going to see it, future
generations will, and result of your igonrance and selfishness is more
damaging then tons of explosives.
Then, can you quantify this "damage?"
I've asked this question many times over the years. I have never received a
reply. The "damage" is something they just pull out of their *****.
Too bad it isn't agonizing to them when they do so.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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19 Sep 2005 07:27:07 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and posting the
following on 18 Sep 2005 19:58:46 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
And I've yet to see what "damage" the 35+ year commitment that my aunt and
her wife have to each other has done to society - it's actually been quite
enriching to the lives of those around them...
Unfortunately, you, personally is not going to see it, future
generations will, and result of your igonrance and selfishness is more
damaging then tons of explosives.
I thought this backlash was coming soon. Changing your story?
And why didn't you answer my questions?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "stoney" |
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19 Sep 2005 11:28:44 AM |
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:27:07 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and posting the
following on 18 Sep 2005 19:58:46 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
And I've yet to see what "damage" the 35+ year commitment that my aunt and
her wife have to each other has done to society - it's actually been quite
enriching to the lives of those around them...
Unfortunately, you, personally is not going to see it, future
generations will, and result of your igonrance and selfishness is more
damaging then tons of explosives.
I thought this backlash was coming soon. Changing your story?
Always.
And why didn't you answer my questions?
The cretinous bigot folded.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "" |
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18 Sep 2005 01:25:51 PM |
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what about illegal immigrants, they are people and they do not have
acces to all benefits that U.S. citizens have?
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| User: "thomas p" |
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18 Sep 2005 03:10:30 PM |
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On 18 Sep 2005 11:25:51 -0700, wrote:
what about illegal immigrants, they are people and they do not have
acces to all benefits that U.S. citizens have?
How many absurd analogies are you going to come up with?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
18 Sep 2005 05:31:29 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and posting the
following on 18 Sep 2005 11:25:51 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
what about illegal immigrants, they are people and they do not have
acces to all benefits that U.S. citizens have?
What about them?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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18 Sep 2005 03:10:28 PM |
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On 18 Sep 2005 09:47:10 -0700, wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:59:44 GMT, Gary Eickmeier
<geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
chirabbit@gmail.com wrote:
Do not be naive, you call yourself whatever name you like. What you
might not like when someone else will call you a wife even if you think
you are husband.
It is very simple if you don't like definiton of marriage then go and
create new alternative. I just do not understand what gay people want.
They want to normalize homosexuality.
They want the same legal rights as everyone else. You have given no
reason why they should not beyond your bigotry, a bigotry reconfirmed
by your above statement.
They have the legal right to marry ONE person of the OPPOSITE sex.
And Blacks had the legal right to marry other Blacks, just as Whites
had the legal right to marry other Whites. It was still
discrimination.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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17 Sep 2005 07:31:02 PM |
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thomas p wrote:
They want the same legal rights as everyone else. You have given no
reason why they should not beyond your bigotry, a bigotry reconfirmed
by your above statement.
To you, anything or anyone who does not agree with your PC cult is
bigotry. That is bigotry.
Gary Eickmeier
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18 Sep 2005 12:05:55 AM |
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"Gary Eickmeier" <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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thomas p wrote:
They want the same legal rights as everyone else. You have given no
reason why they should not beyond your bigotry, a bigotry reconfirmed
by your above statement.
To you, anything or anyone who does not agree with your PC cult is
bigotry. That is bigotry.
No, anyone who wishes to deny equal rights to an entire class of people is a
bigot.
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18 Sep 2005 11:59:04 AM |
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Peacenik wrote:
"Gary Eickmeier" <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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thomas p wrote:
They want the same legal rights as everyone else. You have given no
reason why they should not beyond your bigotry, a bigotry reconfirmed
by your above statement.
To you, anything or anyone who does not agree with your PC cult is
bigotry. That is bigotry.
No, anyone who wishes to deny equal rights to an entire class of people is a
bigot.
No one here has claimed that an entire class of people is prohibited
from marrying one person of the opposite sex just like other people.
Against whom does the Morrill Anti-Bigamy Law of 1862 discriminate
against?
Michael
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18 Sep 2005 06:04:11 PM |
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wrote:
Peacenik wrote:
"Gary Eickmeier" <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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thomas p wrote:
They want the same legal rights as everyone else. You have given no
reason why they should not beyond your bigotry, a bigotry reconfirmed
by your above statement.
To you, anything or anyone who does not agree with your PC cult is
bigotry. That is bigotry.
No, anyone who wishes to deny equal rights to an entire class of people is a
bigot.
No one here has claimed that an entire class of people is prohibited
from marrying one person of the opposite sex just like other people.
This is idiotic. It's just like those that said, "Blacks have as much
right to marry within their own race as whites."
Against whom does the Morrill Anti-Bigamy Law of 1862 discriminate
against?
What does bigamy have to do with the current subject?
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18 Sep 2005 07:40:00 PM |
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DanielSan wrote:
mejercit@hotmail.com wrote:
Peacenik wrote:
"Gary Eickmeier" <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:az2Xe.86245$xl6.76396@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
thomas p wrote:
They want the same legal rights as everyone else. You have given no
reason why they should not beyond your bigotry, a bigotry reconfirmed
by your above statement.
To you, anything or anyone who does not agree with your PC cult is
bigotry. That is bigotry.
No, anyone who wishes to deny equal rights to an entire class of people is a
bigot.
No one here has claimed that an entire class of people is prohibited
from marrying one person of the opposite sex just like other people.
This is idiotic. It's just like those that said, "Blacks have as much
right to marry within their own race as whites."
Against whom does the Morrill Anti-Bigamy Law of 1862 discriminate
against?
What does bigamy have to do with the current subject?
It has more to do than interracial marriage.
Michael
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18 Sep 2005 09:13:12 PM |
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wrote:
DanielSan wrote:
wrote:
Peacenik wrote:
"Gary Eickmeier" <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:az2Xe.86245$xl6.76396@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
thomas p wrote:
They want the same legal rights as everyone else. You have given no
reason why they should not beyond your bigotry, a bigotry reconfirmed
by your above statement.
To you, anything or anyone who does not agree with your PC cult is
bigotry. That is bigotry.
No, anyone who wishes to deny equal rights to an entire class of people is a
bigot.
No one here has claimed that an entire class of people is prohibited
from marrying one person of the opposite sex just like other people.
This is idiotic. It's just like those that said, "Blacks have as much
right to marry within their own race as whites."
Against whom does the Morrill Anti-Bigamy Law of 1862 discriminate
against?
What does bigamy have to do with the current subject?
It has more to do than interracial marriage.
What does bigamy have to do with interracial marriage or same-sex
marriage? Please elucidate.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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18 Sep 2005 03:10:28 PM |
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On 18 Sep 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote:
Peacenik wrote:
"Gary Eickmeier" <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:az2Xe.86245$xl6.76396@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
thomas p wrote:
They want the same legal rights as everyone else. You have given no
reason why they should not beyond your bigotry, a bigotry reconfirmed
by your above statement.
To you, anything or anyone who does not agree with your PC cult is
bigotry. That is bigotry.
No, anyone who wishes to deny equal rights to an entire class of people is a
bigot.
No one here has claimed that an entire class of people is prohibited
from marrying one person of the opposite sex just like other people.
Against whom does the Morrill Anti-Bigamy Law of 1862 discriminate
against?
Who did the anti-miscegenation laws discriminate against? After all
both Blacks and Whites were allowed to marry the same-race person of
their choice. Even so the laws were found to be discriminatory.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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18 Sep 2005 04:02:16 PM |
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Blacks and Whites were allowed to marry the same-race person of
their choice. Even so the laws were found to be discriminatory.
looks like you have symptoms of imbecility, That is exactly why laws
were discriminatory, because marriage had a definition of union of one
man and one woman. Or you trying to say that at that time defintion of
marriage was "union of one man and one woman of the same race".
You trying to do quite opposite, you want to change a defintion of
marriage, structure of marriage and then say that your civil rights are
violated. Your civil rights are not violated by any means, at this
point.
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