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08 Sep 2005 09:19:14 AM |
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California And Gay Marriage |
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/sept/article102.html
California And Gay Marriage
By Nicholas Olson
Sept. 7, 2005
It was announced today that California is sending a bill to the governor
approving the rights of gays to marry. I say hurray for ending another form
of discrimination.
Republicans and their bible-thumping constituents can hem and haw all they
want about their sanctity and that it is against the nature of humanity and
whatever. All I have to say is that I am sick to my stomach that this form
of discrimination is even up for debate.
The stupidest argument I have heard in this whole ordeal is the one where
they have men and women marrying their pets. Let's be logical about this.
If a man wants to marry a woman, he needs her consent, at least in this
country. Since when does your dog ask you to marry it? I can see it now. It
gets down on one knee and pulls out this ring... Wait, that never happened.
The next argument is about sanctity. You know, when two heterosexual people
divorce at over 60 percent of all marriages and infidelity runs rampant and
don't get me started on alimony. Besides, if you want to get married in
this country, shouldn't gays have the same right to be as happy and
miserable as a hetero couple?
The most controversial reason why I am happy about this decision is because
it opens the door for the secular part of our culture to go for the jugular
of the religious right. You see, if you want to call marriage a religious
ceremony or a representation of their love before a spiritual being, then I
can go to the words of James Madison where he specifically noted that there
is a distinct separation of church and state. If religious people want to
keep their precious word "marriage," then they can do without the rights
afforded by our government to married people by having an equitable
separation of this right for all citizens. This would mean that you could
be married but get no benefit by it. After all, if it only matters in the
eyes of God that you are married then be married with no benefits.
Anti-homosexual sentiment is born out of need to discriminate against
something. At once mixed race marriage was looked down upon, so will we
adapt to gay marriage.
Americans are going to have to start realizing that change is going to come
in the form of the future youth, those that feel that the current adults
are messing things up, will not tolerate the indignities of the past. It
happened in the 1860s, it happened in the 1960s and it will happen in the
not-so-distant future. Learn to deal. California is on their way. Why not
in your state?
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About the author: Nicholas Olson is a long-time journalist who has been a
columnist at his college newspaper and is currently a military journalist.
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Posting and reading from alt.politics.usa.constitution OR alt.education
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members]
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respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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26 Sep 2005 07:40:48 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 01:12:04 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com>
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Gay Bowel Syndrome
?????????????????
<LOL> Next thing you know we'll be seeing loons putting little BROWN
ribbons on the car that say find a cure for "GBS."
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Steve
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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25 Sep 2005 01:14:49 PM |
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So, by your logic, heterosexuality also causes harm, since straights also
have anal sex.
No heterosexuality does not cause a harm, you know what Gay Bowel
Syndrome is, there is no such thing as Straight Bowel Syndrom.
And again if sodomy between man and a woman happens is just a part of
the natural system of procreateion and reproduction, so straights are
irrelevant.
Straight-sex involving sodomy is a part of the natural system of
procreation and reproduction?! The fallopian tubes are connected to the
*****, right? The intestine is just a glorified uterus, I take it.
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth *
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| User: "" |
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25 Sep 2005 01:36:48 PM |
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Straight-sex involving sodomy is a part of the natural system of
procreation and reproduction?!
Straight-sex involving sodomy is not a natural sex, although it is
accepted, but no one claims to recoginze it officially as normal.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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26 Sep 2005 07:45:06 AM |
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<chirabbit@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1127673408.141728.112140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Straight-sex involving sodomy is a part of the natural system of
procreation and reproduction?!
Straight-sex involving sodomy is not a natural sex, although it is
accepted, but no one claims to recoginze it officially as normal.
Why are you so obsessed with anal sex?
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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25 Sep 2005 08:57:16 PM |
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Straight-sex involving sodomy is a part of the natural system of
procreation and reproduction?!
Straight-sex involving sodomy is not a natural sex, although it is
accepted, but no one claims to recoginze it officially as normal.
How about this: There is no "normal." There is only "acts." "Normal"
is merely a philosophical grouping, categorizing the majority (the
"normal") as comparitive to a minority (the "abnormal").
A straight person in a room full of homosexuals would be "abnormal."
A gay person in a room full of straights would be "abnormal."
A black person in a room full of white people would be "abnormal."
A white person in a room full of black people would be "abnormal."
An atheist in a room full of theists would be "abnormal."
A theist in a room full of atheists would be "abnormal."
And so forth.
There is no "normal." We are all normal and abnormal at the same time.
It just depends on how we group ourselves.
However, you are the one that said (and conveniently snipped in this
portion of the thread), "[I]f sodomy between man and a woman happens is
just a part of the natural system of procreateion [sic] and reproduction..."
What did you mean by this, if you are saying now that "[s]traight-sex
involving sodomy is not a natural sex"?
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth *
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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25 Sep 2005 01:09:30 PM |
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Pedophilia IS a disorder. It is abnormal and causes harm.
don't make me laugh, it is a harm
<For a period following receptive anal sex, the internal anal sphincter
is stretched and is unable to contract strongly, thereby failing to
completely seal the anal opening until the muscle regains its original
tone. Repetitive anal sex, especially with large penises or rectal
insertions of large objects may damage the internal anal sphincter,
thereby preventing complete sealing of the *****, and leading to fecal
mucus seepage (anal or fecal incontinence). Additionally, anal sex
exacerbates fecal seepage by stimulating colonic motility, which sends
feces from the colon down into the lower rectum>
Oh, really? How large of a penis is required? And how long does that
penis need to be in to stretch the anal sphincter until it is unable to
seal?
As for "colonic motility," did you know that that is exactly what
happens when you sit on the toilet?
Do you know anything about human biology? Or are you just parroting
things you hear from other ill-informed people?
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth *
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| User: "Gary Eickmeier" |
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25 Sep 2005 08:26:53 AM |
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Pedophilia IS a disorder. It is abnormal and causes harm.
don't make me laugh, it is a harm
<For a period following receptive anal sex, the internal anal sphincter
is stretched and is unable to contract strongly, thereby failing to
completely seal the anal opening until the muscle regains its original
tone. Repetitive anal sex, especially with large penises or rectal
insertions of large objects may damage the internal anal sphincter,
thereby preventing complete sealing of the *****, and leading to fecal
mucus seepage (anal or fecal incontinence). Additionally, anal sex
exacerbates fecal seepage by stimulating colonic motility, which sends
feces from the colon down into the lower rectum>
Yer makin me sick here....
Gary Eickmeier
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| User: "Tom" |
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25 Sep 2005 08:05:52 AM |
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<chirabbit@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1127623349.902971.89280@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
And consent cannot be given by a child, and a parent cannot consent to
allowing a crime. That's why it's illegal to provide minors with
alcohol.
I think person could not be dumber then you, it is plain and simple,
pedophilia and homosexuality are the same kind of disorder, and
homosexuality was a disorder until 1973. Then it was removed under
pressure of gay activists (by vote) not by scientific evidences.
No, you are dumber than he is :-).
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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25 Sep 2005 08:49:01 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and posting the
following on 24 Sep 2005 21:42:29 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
And consent cannot be given by a child, and a parent cannot consent to
allowing a crime. That's why it's illegal to provide minors with
alcohol.
I think person could not be dumber then you, it is plain and simple,
pedophilia and homosexuality are the same kind of disorder, and
homosexuality was a disorder until 1973. Then it was removed under
pressure of gay activists (by vote) not by scientific evidences.
That is an oft-repeated lie of the far-right. The vote came after
numerous studies were rpesented to the panel showing that
homosexuality was not a disorder, but a simple alternate sexual
expression that did no harm.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "" |
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25 Sep 2005 09:52:10 AM |
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That is an oft-repeated lie of the far-right. The vote came after
numerous studies were rpesented to the panel showing that
homosexuality was not a disorder, but a simple alternate sexual
expression that did no harm.
Then please present evidences of those numerous studies. The studies
you have in mind are opinions, of philosophical nature, and the purpose
of destruction of scientific classification was a concern that
additional psychological harm can be inflicted to homosexuals.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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25 Sep 2005 02:08:27 PM |
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That is an oft-repeated lie of the far-right. The vote came after
numerous studies were rpesented to the panel showing that
homosexuality was not a disorder, but a simple alternate sexual
expression that did no harm.
Then please present evidences of those numerous studies.
The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association,
the American Association of School Administrators, the American
Federation of Teachers, the American Psychiatric Association, the
American Psychological Association, the American School Health
Association, the Interfaith Alliance Foundation, the National
Association of School Psychologies, the National Association of Social
Workers and the National Education Association said, in 1999:
"The most important fact about 'reparative therapy,' also sometimes
known as 'conversion' therapy, is that it is based on an understanding
of homosexuality that has been rejected by all the major health and
mental health professions. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the
American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association,
the American Psychological Association, the National Association of
School Psychologists, and the National Association of Social Workers,
together representing more than 477,000 health and mental health
professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a
mental disorder and thus there is no need for a 'cure.' ...health and
mental health professional organizations do not support efforts to
change young people's sexual orientation through 'reparative therapy'
and have raised serious concerns about its potential to do harm.
http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/answers.html
The studies
you have in mind are opinions, of philosophical nature, and the purpose
of destruction of scientific classification was a concern that
additional psychological harm can be inflicted to homosexuals.
Cite?
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth *
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| User: "" |
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25 Sep 2005 02:33:30 PM |
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477,000 health and mental health
professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a
mental disorder and thus there is no need for a 'cure.' ...
So what? Yes they have taken a position because they were told to do
so. This is well known PC game. Also, depathologization of
transgenderism does not mean that it was removed from scientific
classification.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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25 Sep 2005 09:13:28 PM |
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477,000 health and mental health
professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a
mental disorder and thus there is no need for a 'cure.' ...
So what? Yes they have taken a position because they were told to do
so.
Cite?
This is well known PC game. Also, depathologization of
transgenderism does not mean that it was removed from scientific
classification.
Cite again?
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth *
* and nothing but the truth; so help me me." *
* --George Burns as God *
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
26 Sep 2005 08:46:50 PM |
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"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:cPIZe.8822$TQ3.1078@trnddc05...
chirabbit@gmail.com wrote:
477,000 health and mental health
professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a
mental disorder and thus there is no need for a 'cure.' ...
So what? Yes they have taken a position because they were told to do
so.
Cite?
Rush Limbaugh told him.
This is well known PC game. Also, depathologization of
transgenderism does not mean that it was removed from scientific
classification.
Cite again?
Rush Limbaugh told him.
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| User: "" |
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26 Sep 2005 09:40:07 PM |
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Rush Limbaugh told him
I don't give an F for Rush Limbaugh, and all that crap research paper.
Here is simple logic that does not need any discussion.
Psychiatrists state that gays are normal from medical perspective that
means they do not need to be treated. Like there are some disabled
people need no treatment at all, so they are normal. There is nowhere
in those research crap if it exist, anyone said that because gays do
not need treatment they should destroy the system.
From the point society stand point, gays are NOT normal, because they
cannot live normal life, and follow the established rules. Accordingly
all gays need accommodation (government assistance) as all healthy
disabled people, and solution will be a union between gay and lesbians
Sexual orientation is not in the list of human right to be protected,
and U.S. signed up universal declaration of human right, so there is no
subject for discussion. Equality is impossible, woman and man cannot
be equal, so put up or shut up, and enjoy equal right with all other
people.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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27 Sep 2005 08:21:09 AM |
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<chirabbit@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Rush Limbaugh told him
I don't give an F for Rush Limbaugh, and all that crap research paper.
Here is simple logic that does not need any discussion.
Psychiatrists state that gays are normal from medical perspective that
means they do not need to be treated. Like there are some disabled
people need no treatment at all, so they are normal.
What a load of crap. It is clear that you have nothing but hatred for gays.
That makes you a bigot.
You have two choices: 1) abandon your bigotry and join the ranks of decent
people; or 2) cling to your bigotry and remain the pathetic creature that
you are.
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| User: "" |
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27 Sep 2005 09:45:20 AM |
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You have two choices: 1) abandon your bigotry and join the ranks of decent
people; or 2) cling to your bigotry and remain the pathetic creature that
you are
So you give me choices, you are very kind, thank you for not killing
me, comrade hongweibing. The Reproductive Revolution Continues.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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27 Sep 2005 11:02:37 AM |
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<chirabbit@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You have two choices: 1) abandon your bigotry and join the ranks of
decent
people; or 2) cling to your bigotry and remain the pathetic creature that
you are
So you give me choices, you are very kind, thank you for not killing
me, comrade hongweibing. The Reproductive Revolution Continues.
I'm not giving you the choices. You simply have them.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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25 Sep 2005 10:16:20 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and posting the
following on 25 Sep 2005 07:52:10 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
That is an oft-repeated lie of the far-right. The vote came after
numerous studies were rpesented to the panel showing that
homosexuality was not a disorder, but a simple alternate sexual
expression that did no harm.
Then please present evidences of those numerous studies. The studies
you have in mind are opinions, of philosophical nature, and the purpose
of destruction of scientific classification was a concern that
additional psychological harm can be inflicted to homosexuals.
If I post references, will you read them? Be warned, most of this
stuff is not on the web, you'll actually have to go to the library and
look them up.
Given my past dealings with you, I think its safe to say I could post
an entire bibliography of articles that led to the removal of
homosexuality from the DSM and you would ignore them. You ignore
anything that disagrees with your already decided on conclusion.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Kelo Disaster" |
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25 Sep 2005 10:47:23 AM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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What's so funny about peace, love and posting the
following on 25 Sep 2005 07:52:10 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
That is an oft-repeated lie of the far-right. The vote came after
numerous studies were rpesented to the panel showing that
homosexuality was not a disorder, but a simple alternate sexual
expression that did no harm.
Then please present evidences of those numerous studies. The studies
you have in mind are opinions, of philosophical nature, and the purpose
of destruction of scientific classification was a concern that
additional psychological harm can be inflicted to homosexuals.
If I post references, will you read them? Be warned, most of this
stuff is not on the web, you'll actually have to go to the library and
look them up.
Don't you have a scanner?
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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25 Sep 2005 08:16:37 PM |
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"Kelo Disaster" <goingoing@gone.net> wrote in message
news:mEzZe.15702$Ix4.2995@okepread03...
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:8mfdj1pttnp4e6hu4r79tpt00ve4mkn2tu@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and posting the
following on 25 Sep 2005 07:52:10 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
That is an oft-repeated lie of the far-right. The vote came after
numerous studies were rpesented to the panel showing that
homosexuality was not a disorder, but a simple alternate sexual
expression that did no harm.
Then please present evidences of those numerous studies. The studies
you have in mind are opinions, of philosophical nature, and the purpose
of destruction of scientific classification was a concern that
additional psychological harm can be inflicted to homosexuals.
If I post references, will you read them? Be warned, most of this
stuff is not on the web, you'll actually have to go to the library and
look them up.
Don't you have a scanner?
This is a text-only forum. No scanned binaries, please.
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| User: "Tom" |
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25 Sep 2005 04:11:19 PM |
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"Kelo Disaster" <goingoing@gone.net> wrote in message
news:mEzZe.15702$Ix4.2995@okepread03...
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:8mfdj1pttnp4e6hu4r79tpt00ve4mkn2tu@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and posting the
following on 25 Sep 2005 07:52:10 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
That is an oft-repeated lie of the far-right. The vote came after
numerous studies were rpesented to the panel showing that
homosexuality was not a disorder, but a simple alternate sexual
expression that did no harm.
Then please present evidences of those numerous studies. The studies
you have in mind are opinions, of philosophical nature, and the purpose
of destruction of scientific classification was a concern that
additional psychological harm can be inflicted to homosexuals.
If I post references, will you read them? Be warned, most of this
stuff is not on the web, you'll actually have to go to the library and
look them up.
Don't you have a scanner?
You're a bigger fool than the rabbit!!
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| User: "Kelo Disaster" |
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25 Sep 2005 04:42:35 PM |
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"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:YnEZe.9730$eH2.82@fe02.lga...
"Kelo Disaster" <goingoing@gone.net> wrote in message
news:mEzZe.15702$Ix4.2995@okepread03...
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:8mfdj1pttnp4e6hu4r79tpt00ve4mkn2tu@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and posting the
following on 25 Sep 2005 07:52:10 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
That is an oft-repeated lie of the far-right. The vote came after
numerous studies were rpesented to the panel showing that
homosexuality was not a disorder, but a simple alternate sexual
expression that did no harm.
Then please present evidences of those numerous studies. The studies
you have in mind are opinions, of philosophical nature, and the
purpose
of destruction of scientific classification was a concern that
additional psychological harm can be inflicted to homosexuals.
If I post references, will you read them? Be warned, most of this
stuff is not on the web, you'll actually have to go to the library and
look them up.
Don't you have a scanner?
You're a bigger fool than the rabbit!!
Perspective.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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25 Sep 2005 06:03:18 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> posting the following on Sun, 25 Sep 2005
10:47:23 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:8mfdj1pttnp4e6hu4r79tpt00ve4mkn2tu@4ax.com...
If I post references, will you read them? Be warned, most of this
stuff is not on the web, you'll actually have to go to the library and
look them up.
Don't you have a scanner?
Yes, but I'm also familiar with the concept of copyright. I don't
have permission to scan and post the copywritten work of others, so I
don't do it. I'm a writer myself, and wouldn't want someone posting
my work without permission.
What, you walk into a research library and burst into flame or
something?
Doesn't the Bible mention stealing at some point?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Kelo Disaster" |
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25 Sep 2005 06:56:01 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> posting the following on Sun, 25 Sep 2005
10:47:23 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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If I post references, will you read them? Be warned, most of this
stuff is not on the web, you'll actually have to go to the library and
look them up.
Don't you have a scanner?
Yes, but I'm also familiar with the concept of copyright. I don't
have permission to scan and post the copywritten work of others, so I
don't do it. I'm a writer myself, and wouldn't want someone posting
my work without permission.
I don't think there would be a problem, if you follow the proper protocol,
as laid out by the owner of the copyright. Even though your post wasn't
directed towards me, I would be interested in the references, because, as I
recall Carter was the residing President when homosexuality was removed from
the governments mental illness list. I believe it happened at the same time
smokers were added to the list. I could be wrong about that.
What, you walk into a research library and burst into flame or
something?
No, I rarely use the public libraries anymore since I know the government is
spying on people who use them. I have several thousand dollars invested in
my personal library and am adding to it regularly. It's fairly good.
How about you?
Doesn't the Bible mention stealing at some point?
You bet, what has that got to do with this conversation?
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
25 Sep 2005 08:38:53 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> posting the following on Sun, 25 Sep 2005
18:56:01 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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Don't you have a scanner?
Yes, but I'm also familiar with the concept of copyright. I don't
have permission to scan and post the copywritten work of others, so I
don't do it. I'm a writer myself, and wouldn't want someone posting
my work without permission.
I don't think there would be a problem, if you follow the proper protocol,
as laid out by the owner of the copyright. Even though your post wasn't
directed towards me, I would be interested in the references, because, as I
recall Carter was the residing President when homosexuality was removed from
the governments mental illness list. I believe it happened at the same time
smokers were added to the list. I could be wrong about that.
1973. Tricky ***** was President.
And you are basically asking me to:
1. Collect several hundred research papers from 32 years ago (or more)
2. Get all the copyright holders to release rights for this project.
3. Scan all the articles into a format that can be useable on the web.
4. Code all the relevant HTML, pay for the space, and maintain the
site.
All so your lot can avoid going to the library.
What, you walk into a research library and burst into flame or
something?
No, I rarely use the public libraries anymore since I know the government is
spying on people who use them. I have several thousand dollars invested in
my personal library and am adding to it regularly. It's fairly good.
Wow, paranoia much?
You do realize that you can walk up to a reference librarian, ask the
question from him/her, and read all the material *in the library*
without ever giving your name, right? It's only if you try to take
materials out on loan that a record exists.
How about you?
Pretty good sized one myself; although my science section runs more
towards astronomy and geology.
Doesn't the Bible mention stealing at some point?
You bet, what has that got to do with this conversation?
Using copyrighted materials without permission is theft.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Kelo Disaster" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
25 Sep 2005 08:52:45 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> posting the following on Sun, 25 Sep 2005
18:56:01 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:q2bej1dg3gqp2kle748vigdicm2ek8j9i4@4ax.com...
Don't you have a scanner?
Yes, but I'm also familiar with the concept of copyright. I don't
have permission to scan and post the copywritten work of others, so I
don't do it. I'm a writer myself, and wouldn't want someone posting
my work without permission.
I don't think there would be a problem, if you follow the proper
protocol,
as laid out by the owner of the copyright. Even though your post wasn't
directed towards me, I would be interested in the references, because, as
I
recall Carter was the residing President when homosexuality was removed
from
the governments mental illness list. I believe it happened at the same
time
smokers were added to the list. I could be wrong about that.
1973. Tricky ***** was President.
And you are basically asking me to:
1. Collect several hundred research papers from 32 years ago (or more)
2. Get all the copyright holders to release rights for this project.
3. Scan all the articles into a format that can be useable on the web.
4. Code all the relevant HTML, pay for the space, and maintain the
site.
All so your lot can avoid going to the library.
Wait a minute, you said:
"If I post references, will you read them? Be warned, most of this
stuff is not on the web, you'll actually have to go to the library and
look them up."
So, were you lying?
What, you walk into a research library and burst into flame or
something?
No, I rarely use the public libraries anymore since I know the government
is
spying on people who use them. I have several thousand dollars invested
in
my personal library and am adding to it regularly. It's fairly good.
Wow, paranoia much?
No, it's not paranoia when you know some one is spying on you. You're just
so used to grabbing your ankles that you've forgotten that freedom is
telling the government to ***** instead of ***** me.
You do realize that you can walk up to a reference librarian, ask the
question from him/her, and read all the material *in the library*
without ever giving your name, right? It's only if you try to take
materials out on loan that a record exists.
Cameras and computer time, you are totally naive,
How about you?
Pretty good sized one myself; although my science section runs more
towards astronomy and geology.
Doesn't the Bible mention stealing at some point?
You bet, what has that got to do with this conversation?
Using copyrighted materials without permission is theft.
I didn't ask you too.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
26 Sep 2005 07:41:32 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> posting the following on Sun, 25 Sep 2005
20:52:45 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:9ujej1h5skmcj3e2bf3avg18fjo3hshssu@4ax.com...
And you are basically asking me to:
1. Collect several hundred research papers from 32 years ago (or more)
2. Get all the copyright holders to release rights for this project.
3. Scan all the articles into a format that can be useable on the web.
4. Code all the relevant HTML, pay for the space, and maintain the
site.
All so your lot can avoid going to the library.
Wait a minute, you said:
"If I post references, will you read them? Be warned, most of this
stuff is not on the web, you'll actually have to go to the library and
look them up."
So, were you lying?
No, posting a referencve can be a pointer to an article, book, or
otehr source. For example:
"Berry, Douglas _GURPS Traveller: Ground Forces_ Steve Jackson Games,
2000, ISBN 1-55634-444-9
That tells you everything you need to know in order to reasd my
wonderful tome on military actions in the far future.
Wow, paranoia much?
No, it's not paranoia when you know some one is spying on you. You're just
so used to grabbing your ankles that you've forgotten that freedom is
telling the government to ***** instead of ***** me.
This is really sad.. the guy who wants to deny rights to others is now
warbling because the government might be watching him read.
You do realize that you can walk up to a reference librarian, ask the
question from him/her, and read all the material *in the library*
without ever giving your name, right? It's only if you try to take
materials out on loan that a record exists.
Cameras and computer time, you are totally naive,
What cameras? And I'm talking about books you great sod! Things of
paper, taken down from shelves and read from a comfy chair!
You bet, what has that got to do with this conversation?
Using copyrighted materials without permission is theft.
I didn't ask you too.
Um, yes you did when you asked if I had a scanner.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
24 Sep 2005 07:46:23 PM |
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here is some info on disparity
http://www.priory.com/psych/disparat.htm
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: California And Gay Marriage |
24 Sep 2005 05:56:35 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and posting the
following on 24 Sep 2005 09:42:04 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
Well, you are certainly free to try to make that argument. What
evidence or reasoning are you going to offer in order to support it?
Same evidences that presented by you.
No harm to children, strictly emotional (we don't care about that)
Actually, we do care about that. I have over 200 peer-reviewed
studies that show that same-sex households do not cause any harm to
children raised in them.
How will you go about determining who can give informed consent and who
cannot?
Just ask the question, that is it, like you when you objectively
defining who is gay who is not.
Why do you need to determine who is gay?
Non Sequitur. Gays and lesbians desire relationships with consenting
adults of their own gender. Pedophiles desire sexual contact with
children
Come on man, this old concept, old definition, like interracial
marriages. And children has not been taken to M. Jackson's bed, they
were willing to do that, i.e. they are consenting. And I think if you
don't trust child you always can ask parents, so if parents agree then
why should not pedophile to live with a child together and express love
and caring to each other.
Children, by law, are incapable of giving informed consent. We are
discussing marriage, which by law requires informed consent.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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