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"Cannibals for Christ" |
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25 Nov 2003 05:15:21 PM |
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Can Catholics be Vegans? |
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
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| User: "Jonathan Ball" |
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| Title: Re: Can Catholics be Vegans? |
04 Dec 2003 01:38:32 PM |
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Cannibals for Christ wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
See if you can find an .mp3 download of Phil Hendrie's
classic bit, "All-You-Can-Eat Negro". It's about a
confused old black lady whose nephew has died. Someone
has arranged a Catholic funeral mass for the nephew,
and because of the communion ceremony, the confused old
lady thinks "...them Catholics macked on my boy."
In the routine, a real Catholic priest calls the
program and attempts to explain to the old lady that
the bread and wine become the body and blood of Jesus
Christ. To this, the old lady answers: "Oh my god...I
wanna...I wanna vomit..."
It's hilarious.
You can find it (probably) using Kazaa, but if you want
to be legal about it, try to buy a copy of his 1997
"Best of Phil Hendrie" CD, subtitled "Still On The
Air". Or, you can pay to listen to it at
http://www.philhendrieshow.com/audio_mavis.html
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| User: "Jonathan Ball" |
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| Title: Re: Can Catholics be Vegans? |
04 Dec 2003 01:41:45 PM |
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You can listen to the "All You Can Eat Negro" clip at
http://www.thingsbahamian.net/philhendrie.htm. It's
the 8th one down the column on the right.
Jonathan Ball wrote:
Cannibals for Christ wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
See if you can find an .mp3 download of Phil Hendrie's classic bit,
"All-You-Can-Eat Negro". It's about a confused old black lady whose
nephew has died. Someone has arranged a Catholic funeral mass for the
nephew, and because of the communion ceremony, the confused old lady
thinks "...them Catholics macked on my boy."
In the routine, a real Catholic priest calls the program and attempts to
explain to the old lady that the bread and wine become the body and
blood of Jesus Christ. To this, the old lady answers: "Oh my god...I
wanna...I wanna vomit..."
It's hilarious.
You can find it (probably) using Kazaa, but if you want to be legal
about it, try to buy a copy of his 1997 "Best of Phil Hendrie" CD,
subtitled "Still On The Air". Or, you can pay to listen to it at
http://www.philhendrieshow.com/audio_mavis.html
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| User: "Tuesday Knight" |
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| Title: Re: Can Catholics be Vegans? |
02 Dec 2003 12:50:24 PM |
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On 11/25/03 6:15 PM, Cannibals for Christ at
wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
I can only conclude that Jebus is made of rice flour.
But then that raises the question....... Do Catholics on the Atkins diet
consider communion wafers to be meat or carbs......... Christianity is so
confusing when one is watching their weight.
___
/uesday
/<night
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Can Catholics be Vegans? |
02 Dec 2003 01:21:15 PM |
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Tuesday Knight wrote:
On 11/25/03 6:15 PM, Cannibals for Christ at
wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
I can only conclude that Jebus is made of rice flour.
Wheat flour. A priest who had a gluten sensitivity was told to pray for
healing, but they couldn't change the recipe for communion wafers.
But then that raises the question....... Do Catholics on the Atkins diet
consider communion wafers to be meat or carbs......... Christianity is so
confusing when one is watching their weight.
Transsubstantiation doesn't seem to affect protein chemistry.
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Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
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| User: "Tuesday Knight" |
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| Title: Re: Can Catholics be Vegans? |
02 Dec 2003 03:57:01 PM |
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On 12/2/03 2:21 PM, Fred Stone at wrote:
Tuesday Knight wrote:
On 11/25/03 6:15 PM, Cannibals for Christ at
wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
I can only conclude that Jebus is made of rice flour.
Wheat flour. A priest who had a gluten sensitivity was told to pray for
healing, but they couldn't change the recipe for communion wafers.
Its a shame. They are so bland, you know. I think more people would go to
communion if they tasted more like Oreos my last high priestess served.
(yeah, I did it all for the cookies)
But then that raises the question....... Do Catholics on the Atkins diet
consider communion wafers to be meat or carbs......... Christianity is so
confusing when one is watching their weight.
Transsubstantiation doesn't seem to affect protein chemistry.
Right. Nix the wafers.
Its a good thing Im not catholic. Id **so** be going to hell. But with oreo
cookies I guess Ill just go to hollow tree and get jiggie with some elves.
As long as they looked like Legolas how could that be bad? ;-)
___
/uesday
/<night
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| User: "Hecate100" |
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02 Dec 2003 04:49:29 PM |
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"Tuesday Knight" <tuesday@hellmouthcentral.com> wrote in message
news:BBF274DD.5754B%tuesday@hellmouthcentral.com...
On 12/2/03 2:21 PM, Fred Stone at wrote:
Tuesday Knight wrote:
On 11/25/03 6:15 PM, Cannibals for Christ at
cannibals_for_christ@yahoo.com
wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
I can only conclude that Jebus is made of rice flour.
Wheat flour. A priest who had a gluten sensitivity was told to pray for
healing, but they couldn't change the recipe for communion wafers.
Its a shame. They are so bland, you know. I think more people would go to
communion if they tasted more like Oreos my last high priestess served.
(yeah, I did it all for the cookies)
Oreos don't stick to the roof of your mouth and dry up all your saliva,
either.
There was an Xmas tradition at my evil grandmother's house where everyone
had a wafer (big enough to have a Last Supper embossing on it) and each
person present would break a piece off of each other's and say "Health,
Wealth and Happiness" before eating the fragment. It became an art form of
trying to break off as small a piece as possible. Thing was, you had to eat
what was left of your wafer. Nasty *****.
But then that raises the question....... Do Catholics on the Atkins
diet
consider communion wafers to be meat or carbs......... Christianity is
so
confusing when one is watching their weight.
Transsubstantiation doesn't seem to affect protein chemistry.
Right. Nix the wafers.
Its a good thing Im not catholic. Id **so** be going to hell. But with
oreo
cookies I guess Ill just go to hollow tree and get jiggie with some elves.
As long as they looked like Legolas how could that be bad? ;-)
He's a bit effete for my tastes, though. And he really should bleach his
eyebrows to match his hair.
Love & Laughter,
Nightshade
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| User: "Misty" |
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03 Dec 2003 02:06:58 AM |
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Hecate100 wrote:
"Tuesday Knight" <tuesday@hellmouthcentral.com> wrote in message
news:BBF274DD.5754B%tuesday@hellmouthcentral.com...
On 12/2/03 2:21 PM, Fred Stone at wrote:
Tuesday Knight wrote:
On 11/25/03 6:15 PM, Cannibals for Christ at
cannibals_for_christ@yahoo.com
wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
I can only conclude that Jebus is made of rice flour.
Wheat flour. A priest who had a gluten sensitivity was told to pray for
healing, but they couldn't change the recipe for communion wafers.
Its a shame. They are so bland, you know. I think more people would go to
communion if they tasted more like Oreos my last high priestess served.
(yeah, I did it all for the cookies)
Oreos don't stick to the roof of your mouth and dry up all your saliva,
either.
There was an Xmas tradition at my evil grandmother's house where everyone
had a wafer (big enough to have a Last Supper embossing on it) and each
person present would break a piece off of each other's and say "Health,
Wealth and Happiness" before eating the fragment. It became an art form of
trying to break off as small a piece as possible. Thing was, you had to eat
what was left of your wafer. Nasty *****.
But then that raises the question....... Do Catholics on the Atkins
diet
consider communion wafers to be meat or carbs......... Christianity is
so
confusing when one is watching their weight.
Transsubstantiation doesn't seem to affect protein chemistry.
Right. Nix the wafers.
Its a good thing Im not catholic. Id **so** be going to hell. But with
oreo
cookies I guess Ill just go to hollow tree and get jiggie with some elves.
As long as they looked like Legolas how could that be bad? ;-)
He's a bit effete for my tastes, though. And he really should bleach his
eyebrows to match his hair.
Love & Laughter,
Nightshade
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| User: "Tuesday Knight" |
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03 Dec 2003 08:02:57 AM |
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Thats what I love about Misty. She can always be counted on to tell us
exactly whats on her mind.
___
/uesday
/<night
On 12/3/03 3:06 AM, Misty at ""yardholler"@Nospam,charter.net wrote:
Hecate100 wrote:
"Tuesday Knight" <tuesday@hellmouthcentral.com> wrote in message
news:BBF274DD.5754B%tuesday@hellmouthcentral.com...
On 12/2/03 2:21 PM, Fred Stone at wrote:
Tuesday Knight wrote:
On 11/25/03 6:15 PM, Cannibals for Christ at
cannibals_for_christ@yahoo.com
wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
I can only conclude that Jebus is made of rice flour.
Wheat flour. A priest who had a gluten sensitivity was told to pray for
healing, but they couldn't change the recipe for communion wafers.
Its a shame. They are so bland, you know. I think more people would go to
communion if they tasted more like Oreos my last high priestess served.
(yeah, I did it all for the cookies)
Oreos don't stick to the roof of your mouth and dry up all your saliva,
either.
There was an Xmas tradition at my evil grandmother's house where everyone
had a wafer (big enough to have a Last Supper embossing on it) and each
person present would break a piece off of each other's and say "Health,
Wealth and Happiness" before eating the fragment. It became an art form of
trying to break off as small a piece as possible. Thing was, you had to eat
what was left of your wafer. Nasty *****.
But then that raises the question....... Do Catholics on the Atkins
diet
consider communion wafers to be meat or carbs......... Christianity is
so
confusing when one is watching their weight.
Transsubstantiation doesn't seem to affect protein chemistry.
Right. Nix the wafers.
Its a good thing Im not catholic. Id **so** be going to hell. But with
oreo
cookies I guess Ill just go to hollow tree and get jiggie with some elves.
As long as they looked like Legolas how could that be bad? ;-)
He's a bit effete for my tastes, though. And he really should bleach his
eyebrows to match his hair.
Love & Laughter,
Nightshade
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| User: "Misty" |
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| Title: Re: Can Catholics be Vegans? |
03 Dec 2003 02:07:47 AM |
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Hecate100 wrote:
"Tuesday Knight" <tuesday@hellmouthcentral.com> wrote in message
news:BBF274DD.5754B%tuesday@hellmouthcentral.com...
On 12/2/03 2:21 PM, Fred Stone at wrote:
Tuesday Knight wrote:
On 11/25/03 6:15 PM, Cannibals for Christ at
cannibals_for_christ@yahoo.com
wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
I can only conclude that Jebus is made of rice flour.
Wheat flour. A priest who had a gluten sensitivity was told to pray for
healing, but they couldn't change the recipe for communion wafers.
Its a shame. They are so bland, you know. I think more people would go to
communion if they tasted more like Oreos my last high priestess served.
(yeah, I did it all for the cookies)
Oreos don't stick to the roof of your mouth and dry up all your saliva,
either.
There was an Xmas tradition at my evil grandmother's house where everyone
had a wafer (big enough to have a Last Supper embossing on it) and each
person present would break a piece off of each other's and say "Health,
Wealth and Happiness" before eating the fragment. It became an art form of
trying to break off as small a piece as possible. Thing was, you had to eat
what was left of your wafer. Nasty *****.
But then that raises the question....... Do Catholics on the Atkins
diet
consider communion wafers to be meat or carbs......... Christianity is
so
confusing when one is watching their weight.
Transsubstantiation doesn't seem to affect protein chemistry.
Right. Nix the wafers.
Its a good thing Im not catholic. Id **so** be going to hell. But with
oreo
cookies I guess Ill just go to hollow tree and get jiggie with some elves.
As long as they looked like Legolas how could that be bad? ;-)
He's a bit effete for my tastes, though. And he really should bleach his
eyebrows to match his hair.
Love & Laughter,
Nightshade
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| User: "Tuesday Knight" |
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03 Dec 2003 08:03:40 AM |
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Case en pointe.
___
/uesday
/<night
On 12/3/03 3:07 AM, Misty at ""yardholler"@Nospam,charter.net wrote:
Hecate100 wrote:
"Tuesday Knight" <tuesday@hellmouthcentral.com> wrote in message
news:BBF274DD.5754B%tuesday@hellmouthcentral.com...
On 12/2/03 2:21 PM, Fred Stone at wrote:
Tuesday Knight wrote:
On 11/25/03 6:15 PM, Cannibals for Christ at
cannibals_for_christ@yahoo.com
wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
I can only conclude that Jebus is made of rice flour.
Wheat flour. A priest who had a gluten sensitivity was told to pray for
healing, but they couldn't change the recipe for communion wafers.
Its a shame. They are so bland, you know. I think more people would go to
communion if they tasted more like Oreos my last high priestess served.
(yeah, I did it all for the cookies)
Oreos don't stick to the roof of your mouth and dry up all your saliva,
either.
There was an Xmas tradition at my evil grandmother's house where everyone
had a wafer (big enough to have a Last Supper embossing on it) and each
person present would break a piece off of each other's and say "Health,
Wealth and Happiness" before eating the fragment. It became an art form of
trying to break off as small a piece as possible. Thing was, you had to eat
what was left of your wafer. Nasty *****.
But then that raises the question....... Do Catholics on the Atkins
diet
consider communion wafers to be meat or carbs......... Christianity is
so
confusing when one is watching their weight.
Transsubstantiation doesn't seem to affect protein chemistry.
Right. Nix the wafers.
Its a good thing Im not catholic. Id **so** be going to hell. But with
oreo
cookies I guess Ill just go to hollow tree and get jiggie with some elves.
As long as they looked like Legolas how could that be bad? ;-)
He's a bit effete for my tastes, though. And he really should bleach his
eyebrows to match his hair.
Love & Laughter,
Nightshade
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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02 Dec 2003 04:06:55 PM |
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Tuesday Knight wrote:
On 12/2/03 2:21 PM, Fred Stone at wrote:
Tuesday Knight wrote:
On 11/25/03 6:15 PM, Cannibals for Christ at
wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
I can only conclude that Jebus is made of rice flour.
Wheat flour. A priest who had a gluten sensitivity was told to pray for
healing, but they couldn't change the recipe for communion wafers.
Its a shame. They are so bland, you know. I think more people would go to
communion if they tasted more like Oreos my last high priestess served.
(yeah, I did it all for the cookies)
No Snickers?
But then that raises the question....... Do Catholics on the Atkins diet
consider communion wafers to be meat or carbs......... Christianity is so
confusing when one is watching their weight.
Transsubstantiation doesn't seem to affect protein chemistry.
Right. Nix the wafers.
Its a good thing Im not catholic. Id **so** be going to hell. But with oreo
cookies I guess Ill just go to hollow tree and get jiggie with some elves.
As long as they looked like Legolas how could that be bad? ;-)
I don't know, eyebrows don't do a whole lot for me. ;-)
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
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| User: "Tuesday Knight" |
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03 Dec 2003 08:42:22 AM |
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On 12/2/03 5:06 PM, Fred Stone at wrote:
Tuesday Knight wrote:
On 12/2/03 2:21 PM, Fred Stone at wrote:
Tuesday Knight wrote:
On 11/25/03 6:15 PM, Cannibals for Christ at
wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
I can only conclude that Jebus is made of rice flour.
Wheat flour. A priest who had a gluten sensitivity was told to pray for
healing, but they couldn't change the recipe for communion wafers.
Its a shame. They are so bland, you know. I think more people would go to
communion if they tasted more like Oreos my last high priestess served.
(yeah, I did it all for the cookies)
No Snickers?
But then that raises the question....... Do Catholics on the Atkins diet
consider communion wafers to be meat or carbs......... Christianity is so
confusing when one is watching their weight.
Transsubstantiation doesn't seem to affect protein chemistry.
Right. Nix the wafers.
Its a good thing Im not catholic. Id **so** be going to hell. But with oreo
cookies I guess Ill just go to hollow tree and get jiggie with some elves.
As long as they looked like Legolas how could that be bad? ;-)
I don't know, eyebrows don't do a whole lot for me. ;-)
Hrm. Well, I dont look like Legolas, you can have my cookies.
;-)
___
/uesday
/<night
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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25 Nov 2003 06:29:16 PM |
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On 25 Nov 2003 15:15:21 -0800,
(Cannibals for Christ) wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
Communion always gave me the creeps. Ever since the time I asked
this Catholic about it. I asked him why did they symbolically eat
their saviors body. He got pissed and said there was nothing
'symbolic' about it. It really was his flesh, in every sense of the
word
I said, 'does it taste like chicken?'
Then he storms off. Me and my conversation stoppers...
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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02 Dec 2003 05:15:59 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:29:16 GMT in alt.atheism, Steve Knight (Steve
Knight <wooly@onic.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On 25 Nov 2003 15:15:21 -0800,
(Cannibals for Christ) wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
Communion always gave me the creeps. Ever since the time I asked
this Catholic about it. I asked him why did they symbolically eat
their saviors body. He got pissed and said there was nothing
'symbolic' about it. It really was his flesh, in every sense of the
word
I said, 'does it taste like chicken?'
Then he storms off. Me and my conversation stoppers...
I would have thought the appropriate rejoinder would be "it tastes
like heaven".
On this I might recommend the classic book "Ritual" by Graham
Masterson (who also does a nice line in bodice rippers). Ritual is
about a Christian sect to take the stuff about eating the body of
Christ, very seriously indeed.
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"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being read.
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| User: "Tuesday Knight" |
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02 Dec 2003 12:44:27 PM |
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On 11/25/03 7:29 PM, Steve Knight at wrote:
On 25 Nov 2003 15:15:21 -0800,
(Cannibals for Christ) wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
Communion always gave me the creeps. Ever since the time I asked
this Catholic about it. I asked him why did they symbolically eat
their saviors body. He got pissed and said there was nothing
'symbolic' about it. It really was his flesh, in every sense of the
word
I said, 'does it taste like chicken?'
Then he storms off. Me and my conversation stoppers...
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
I like your conversation stoppers. :-) Reminds me of.......well...
ME.
What kinda wars do you lord over and um..... can I play with your sword?
Ill be careful, I promise.
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/uesday
/<night
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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03 Dec 2003 10:45:47 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:29:16 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@onic.net>
ejaculated:
On 25 Nov 2003 15:15:21 -0800,
(Cannibals for Christ) wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
Communion always gave me the creeps. Ever since the time I asked
this Catholic about it. I asked him why did they symbolically eat
their saviors body. He got pissed and said there was nothing
'symbolic' about it. It really was his flesh, in every sense of the
word
I said, 'does it taste like chicken?'
Then he storms off. Me and my conversation stoppers...
What I really don't get about Catholics is that the wafer is still
obviously a cracker and that the wine is still a Merlot or Chianti or
whatever. Crackers taste nothing like meat and wine tastes nothing
like blood.
I suppose they could always argue that god flesh tastes like a cracker
and god blood tastes like wine, but even they have to see that this is
an obvious begging of the question.
--
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"
- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "zayton" |
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03 Dec 2003 05:56:51 PM |
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"Beowulf" <beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:nl4ssvssnb49d58jbe1fghtj7h1htc2hjd@4ax.com...
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:29:16 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@onic.net>
ejaculated:
On 25 Nov 2003 15:15:21 -0800,
(Cannibals for Christ) wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
Communion always gave me the creeps. Ever since the time I asked
this Catholic about it. I asked him why did they symbolically eat
their saviors body. He got pissed and said there was nothing
'symbolic' about it. It really was his flesh, in every sense of the
word
I said, 'does it taste like chicken?'
Then he storms off. Me and my conversation stoppers...
What I really don't get about Catholics is that the wafer is still
obviously a cracker and that the wine is still a Merlot or Chianti or
whatever. Crackers taste nothing like meat and wine tastes nothing
like blood.
I suppose they could always argue that god flesh tastes like a cracker
and god blood tastes like wine, but even they have to see that this is
an obvious begging of the question.
Actually, as I understand it; they devide the character of the elements into
"accidents" and "essence". "accidence includes all physical characteristics,
"essince" is a deeper reality, preceivable only by faith. They insist that
this is not the same thing at all as the elements being only symbols of
flesh and blood.
Joe
--
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security,
deserve neither liberty or security"
- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "johac" |
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04 Dec 2003 01:10:01 AM |
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In article <4_uzb.2294$MY2.2044@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
"zayton" <zayton@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Beowulf" <beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:nl4ssvssnb49d58jbe1fghtj7h1htc2hjd@4ax.com...
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:29:16 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@onic.net>
ejaculated:
On 25 Nov 2003 15:15:21 -0800,
(Cannibals for Christ) wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
Communion always gave me the creeps. Ever since the time I asked
this Catholic about it. I asked him why did they symbolically eat
their saviors body. He got pissed and said there was nothing
'symbolic' about it. It really was his flesh, in every sense of the
word
I said, 'does it taste like chicken?'
Then he storms off. Me and my conversation stoppers...
What I really don't get about Catholics is that the wafer is still
obviously a cracker and that the wine is still a Merlot or Chianti or
whatever. Crackers taste nothing like meat and wine tastes nothing
like blood.
I suppose they could always argue that god flesh tastes like a cracker
and god blood tastes like wine, but even they have to see that this is
an obvious begging of the question.
Actually, as I understand it; they devide the character of the elements into
"accidents" and "essence". "accidence includes all physical characteristics,
"essince" is a deeper reality, preceivable only by faith. They insist that
this is not the same thing at all as the elements being only symbols of
flesh and blood.
It's magic!
Your description is pretty much what the Catholic nuns taught me in
school many, many years ago. It sounded silly to me back then too, but
I knew better than to say anything at the time.
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
- Question authority. Now more than ever. -
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| User: "Spammers Blow" |
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| Title: Re: Can Catholics be Vegans? |
08 Dec 2003 10:49:23 PM |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:10:01 -0800, johac <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com>
wrote:
I knew better than to say anything at the time.
Too bad you didn't know better now!
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| User: "Spammers Blow" |
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| Title: Re: Can Catholics be Vegans? |
08 Dec 2003 10:49:02 PM |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:10:01 -0800, johac <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com>
wrote:
It's magic!
Your description is pretty much what the Catholic nuns taught me in
school many, many years ago. It sounded silly to me back then too, but
I knew better than to say anything at the time.
Oh great, another "I used to be Catholic" who doesn't quite remember
what Catholics believe but knows they're wrong.
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| User: "Vera Six" |
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| Title: Re: Can Catholics be Vegans? |
04 Dec 2003 01:31:52 PM |
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Please stop cross-posting.
Thanks in advance.
V.S.
"johac" <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com>
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| User: "Stupendous Man" |
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| Title: Re: Can Catholics be Vegans? |
05 Dec 2003 07:57:37 AM |
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You're welcome.
"Vera Six" <verasixnospamnonono@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:bqo2hl$1i1$04$6@news.t-online.com...
Please stop cross-posting.
Thanks in advance.
V.S.
"johac" <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com>
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Re: Can Catholics be Vegans? |
04 Dec 2003 01:29:06 PM |
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:56:51 -0600, "zayton" <zayton@bellsouth.net>
ejaculated:
"Beowulf" <beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:nl4ssvssnb49d58jbe1fghtj7h1htc2hjd@4ax.com...
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:29:16 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@onic.net>
ejaculated:
On 25 Nov 2003 15:15:21 -0800,
(Cannibals for Christ) wrote:
Since communion is a form of cannibalism, I think this would violate
the ethics of veganism.
Communion always gave me the creeps. Ever since the time I asked
this Catholic about it. I asked him why did they symbolically eat
their saviors body. He got pissed and said there was nothing
'symbolic' about it. It really was his flesh, in every sense of the
word
I said, 'does it taste like chicken?'
Then he storms off. Me and my conversation stoppers...
What I really don't get about Catholics is that the wafer is still
obviously a cracker and that the wine is still a Merlot or Chianti or
whatever. Crackers taste nothing like meat and wine tastes nothing
like blood.
I suppose they could always argue that god flesh tastes like a cracker
and god blood tastes like wine, but even they have to see that this is
an obvious begging of the question.
Actually, as I understand it; they devide the character of the elements into
"accidents" and "essence". "accidence includes all physical characteristics,
"essince" is a deeper reality, preceivable only by faith. They insist that
this is not the same thing at all as the elements being only symbols of
flesh and blood.
How does that differ at all from consubstantiation? Which is a
heresy, accourding to the Catholic Encyclopedia:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04322a.htm
--
Jesus is my crush.
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| User: "Spammers Blow" |
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| Title: Re: Can Catholics be Vegans? |
08 Dec 2003 10:51:04 PM |
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:29:06 -0500, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com> wrote:
How does that differ at all from consubstantiation? Which is a
heresy, accourding to the Catholic Encyclopedia:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04322a.htm
I'll bet that Catholic Encyclopedia has an entry for
Transubstantiation too!
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Can Catholics be Vegans? |
12 Dec 2003 09:01:11 AM |
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:51:04 -0600, Spammers Blow <you@wish.com>
ejaculated:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:29:06 -0500, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com> wrote:
How does that differ at all from consubstantiation? Which is a
heresy, accourding to the Catholic Encyclopedia:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04322a.htm
I'll bet that Catholic Encyclopedia has an entry for
Transubstantiation too!
In fact, they do, and I've read it. Have you? The reason for my
question was because Zayton's statement:
Actually, as I understand it; they devide the character of the elements into
"accidents" and "essence". "accidence includes all physical characteristics,
"essince" is a deeper reality, preceivable only by faith. They insist that
this is not the same thing at all as the elements being only symbols of
flesh and blood.
doesn't jive with the description of doctrine of transubstantiation,
which has the elements being actually transformed to flesh and blood.
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<http://www20.brinkster.com/beowulf9/gottod/Jesus%20Hates%20The%20Little%20Children.html>
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| User: "Spammers Blow" |
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| Title: Re: Can Catholics be Vegans? |
13 Dec 2003 02:28:03 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:01:11 -0500, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:51:04 -0600, Spammers Blow <you@wish.com>
ejaculated:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:29:06 -0500, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com> wrote:
How does that differ at all from consubstantiation? Which is a
heresy, accourding to the Catholic Encyclopedia:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04322a.htm
I'll bet that Catholic Encyclopedia has an entry for
Transubstantiation too!
In fact, they do, and I've read it. Have you? The reason for my
question was because Zayton's statement:
Actually, as I understand it; they devide the character of the elements into
"accidents" and "essence". "accidence includes all physical characteristics,
"essince" is a deeper reality, preceivable only by faith. They insist that
this is not the same thing at all as the elements being only symbols of
flesh and blood.
doesn't jive with the description of doctrine of transubstantiation,
which has the elements being actually transformed to flesh and blood
Are you sure you read it? Because IF you HAD or IF you remembered
anything about it from your days of Catholic grade school you'd know
that Catholics do not believe the "elements" transform. We believe
the substance (thus transSUBSTANTiation) or 'essence' becomes the Body
and Blood of Christ while the form, the 'accidents' remain unchanged.
Thus my initial comment to your obviously ignorant statement about the
'cracker' (which it is) tasting like flesh.
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| User: "Vera Six" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Re: Can Catholics be Vegans? |
04 Dec 2003 02:01:06 PM |
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Please stop cross-posting.
Thanks in advance.
V.S.
"Beowulf" <beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com>
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Can Catholics be Vegans? |
05 Dec 2003 12:26:31 PM |
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:01:06 +0100, "Vera Six"
<verasixnospamnonono@t-online.de> ejaculated:
<top posting fixed>
"Beowulf" <beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com>
<snip>
Please stop cross-posting.
Thanks in advance.
Please go ***** yourself.
Thanks in advance.
--
Jesus is my crush.
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| User: "Tuesday Knight" |
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| Title: Re: Can Catholics be Vegans? |
05 Dec 2003 12:57:37 PM |
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On 12/5/03 1:26 PM, Beowulf at wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:01:06 +0100, "Vera Six"
<verasixnospamnonono@t-online.de> ejaculated:
<top posting fixed>
"Beowulf" < >
<snip>
Please stop cross-posting.
Thanks in advance.
Please go ***** yourself.
Thanks in advance.
--
Jesus is my crush.
I think Im in love.......... :-)
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/uesday
/<night
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| User: "Spammers Blow" |
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| Title: Re: Can Catholics be Vegans? |
08 Dec 2003 10:47:38 PM |
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:56:51 -0600, "zayton" <zayton@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Actually, as I understand it; they devide the character of the elements into
"accidents" and "essence". "accidence includes all physical characteristics,
"essince" is a deeper reality, preceivable only by faith. They insist that
this is not the same thing at all as the elements being only symbols of
flesh and blood.
Joe
ALMOST Joe, and I appreciate you attempting to understand instead of
shooting of your cake hole like some of the dingles on this thread.
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