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03 Feb 2005 06:03:24 AM |
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Can God became man? |
Can God became man?
Christianity believes that God came down to earth in human form, as
Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
The Torah states that God cannot not take any form.:
"You will not be able to see My face, for no human can see my face and
live" (Exodus 33:18-20)
"You did not see any form on the day God spoke to you at Horeb from the
midst of fire" (Deuteronomy 4:15) Jews has always believed that God is
Incorporeal, meaning that He assumes no physical form. God is Eternal,
He is Infinite; above time and beyond space. He cannot be born, and
cannot die.
Jesus pretended to be God.There is the verse from Hosea in which God
specifically tells us that God is not a human being:
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to
destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not a man; the Holy One in the midst
of thee: and I will not enter into the city. [Hosea 11:9]
Also God said there is only one God........Deuteronomy 6:4 and Isaiah
44:6, where God tells us, "I am the first, and I am the last; and
beside me there is no God." When Isaiah tells us that God said, "I am
the first," it means that God has no father. When Isaiah tells us that
God said, "I am the last," it means that God has no literal son. And
when Isaiah tells us that God said, "Besides me there is no God," it
means that God does not share being God with any other god, or
demi-god, or semi-god, or persons, and there is no trinity.
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| User: "R.L.Measures" |
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05 Feb 2005 03:48:54 AM |
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In article <cv1801tqeu6sivrfojetti8q91r650fhsp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 23:02:18 -0500, "\"tle_mgr\\\"" <"\"tle_mgr\\\""@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Christianity believes that God came down to earth in human form, as
Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
Yep, as the creator of the universe, God can become a man if he wants to.
duke
Nope he can't.
Why not? That's not even an answer for your own question.
The Quran also states that God was never a man.
How do they know?
Because ol' Gabe said so?
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| User: "duke" |
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05 Feb 2005 08:08:32 AM |
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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:48:54 GMT, (R.L.Measures) wrote:
Yep, as the creator of the universe, God can become a man if he wants to.
duke
Nope he can't.
Why not? That's not even an answer for your own question.
The Quran also states that God was never a man.
How do they know?
Because ol' Gabe said so?
Ol' gabe is a muslim?
duke
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| User: "R.L.Measures" |
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05 Feb 2005 09:18:55 AM |
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In article <spk901h848hjaqis6r2e2rtqfm8nd8rkbn@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:48:54 GMT, (R.L.Measures) wrote:
Yep, as the creator of the universe, God can become a man if he wants to.
duke
Nope he can't.
Why not? That's not even an answer for your own question.
The Quran also states that God was never a man.
How do they know?
Because ol' Gabe said so?
Ol' gabe is a muslim?
Damned if I know, Duke.
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| User: "Bush is the AntiChrist!! " |
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05 Feb 2005 08:40:23 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 23:02:18 -0500, "\"tle_mgr\\\"" <"\"tle_mgr\\\""@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Christianity believes that God came down to earth in human form, as
Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
Yep, as the creator of the universe, God can become a man if he wants to.
duke
Nope he can't.
Why not? That's not even an answer for your own question.
I didn't ask a question, I answered one. As for why not, because you
could sooner have the Sun in your living room as a lamp.
The Quran also states that God was never a man.
How do they know?
Because the Quran is the Lord's word. I don't think he would lie about
himself?
duke
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14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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| User: "Chuckles" |
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05 Feb 2005 11:55:28 AM |
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"Bush is the AntiChrist!! " <tle_mgr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Because the Quran is the Lord's word.
Nope. It's the Lord's turd.
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| User: "Bush is the AntiChrist!! " |
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05 Feb 2005 05:40:01 PM |
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Chuckles wrote:
"Bush is the AntiChrist!! " <tle_mgr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Because the Quran is the Lord's word.
Nope. It's the Lord's turd.
Which would still be holy.
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| User: "Jack" |
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08 Feb 2005 05:41:05 PM |
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"Bush is the AntiChrist!! " <tle_mgr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Chuckles wrote:
"Bush is the AntiChrist!! " <tle_mgr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Because the Quran is the Lord's word.
Nope. It's the Lord's turd.
Which would still be holy.
Apparently not, since Catholics swallow the true body of Christ and their
***** still stinks like everyone eleses.
Jack
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| User: "R.L.Measures" |
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09 Feb 2005 06:18:56 AM |
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In article <n--dnbIgX80V0JTfRVn-2g@tbaytel.net>, "Jack" <not@home.net> wrote:
"Bush is the AntiChrist!! " <tle_mgr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Chuckles wrote:
"Bush is the AntiChrist!! " <tle_mgr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Because the Quran is the Lord's word.
Nope. It's the Lord's turd.
Which would still be holy.
Apparently not, since Catholics swallow the true body of Christ and their
***** still stinks like everyone eleses.
Jack
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Purgatory, Jack. At this point, spending $8.50 +postage on a Carmelite
Brown Scapular just might turn out to be a pretty damn good investment.
Good luck
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| User: "Jack" |
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09 Feb 2005 05:20:32 PM |
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".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r_-0902050418560001@192.168.1.100...
In article <n--dnbIgX80V0JTfRVn-2g@tbaytel.net>, "Jack" <not@home.net>
wrote:
"Bush is the AntiChrist!! " <tle_mgr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0tadndOkoM3MxJjfRVn-iA@comcast.com...
Chuckles wrote:
"Bush is the AntiChrist!! " <tle_mgr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Because the Quran is the Lord's word.
Nope. It's the Lord's turd.
Which would still be holy.
Apparently not, since Catholics swallow the true body of Christ and their
***** still stinks like everyone eleses.
Jack
** My guess is that this one is gonna cost you an extra month in
Purgatory, Jack. At this point, spending $8.50 +postage on a Carmelite
Brown Scapular just might turn out to be a pretty damn good investment.
Good luck
Doesn't that hit home. My mom use to have one of those.
regards.
Jack
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| User: "R.L.Measures" |
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09 Feb 2005 08:17:06 PM |
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In article <S6-dnVp3D82rB5ffRVn-qg@tbaytel.net>, "Jack" <not@home.net> wrote:
".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r_-0902050418560001@192.168.1.100...
In article <n--dnbIgX80V0JTfRVn-2g@tbaytel.net>, "Jack" <not@home.net>
wrote:
"Bush is the AntiChrist!! " <tle_mgr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0tadndOkoM3MxJjfRVn-iA@comcast.com...
Chuckles wrote:
"Bush is the AntiChrist!! " <tle_mgr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Because the Quran is the Lord's word.
Nope. It's the Lord's turd.
Which would still be holy.
Apparently not, since Catholics swallow the true body of Christ and their
***** still stinks like everyone eleses.
Jack
** My guess is that this one is gonna cost you an extra month in
Purgatory, Jack. At this point, spending $8.50 +postage on a Carmelite
Brown Scapular just might turn out to be a pretty damn good investment.
Good luck
Doesn't that hit home. My mom use to have one of those.
** Mother always knows best.
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| User: "zev" |
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05 Feb 2005 02:15:01 PM |
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"Bush is the AntiChrist!! " <tle_mgr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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duke wrote:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 23:02:18 -0500, "\"tle_mgr\\\""
<"\"tle_mgr\\\""@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Christianity believes that God came down to earth in human form, as
Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
Yep, as the creator of the universe, God can become a man if he wants
to.
duke
Nope he can't.
Why not? That's not even an answer for your own question.
I didn't ask a question, I answered one. As for why not, because you
could sooner have the Sun in your living room as a lamp.
The Quran also states that God was never a man.
How do they know?
Because the Quran is the Lord's word. I don't think he would lie about
himself?
If you're right than you're right, but if you're wrong......
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| User: "towelie" |
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03 Feb 2005 10:35:17 AM |
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TV's Truth Hunter wrote:
Maybe a better question is "Can something that does not exist exist?"
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| User: "duke" |
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03 Feb 2005 04:39:26 PM |
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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:35:17 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's Truth Hunter wrote:
Maybe a better question is "Can something that does not exist exist?"
Or even better, "can something that does exist not exist?"
It's the prayer of the atheist to his rock.
duke
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| User: "Kyrillus" |
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03 Feb 2005 10:20:50 AM |
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The Torah is WRONG or denies that God is omnipotent.
If "God cannot" then God is like you and me, unable weakling.
Get your logic straight, if you are not gay.
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| User: "\tle_mgr" |
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03 Feb 2005 10:00:31 PM |
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Kyrillus wrote:
The Torah is WRONG or denies that God is omnipotent.
If "God cannot" then God is like you and me, unable weakling.
One does not mean the other. Nice try though.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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04 Feb 2005 01:17:12 AM |
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On 3 Feb 2005 08:20:50 -0800, "Kyrillus" <shankarees@yahoo.com> said
in alt.atheism:
The Torah is WRONG
Of course it's wrong. The entire bible is wrong.
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| User: "\tle_mgr" |
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03 Feb 2005 09:58:19 PM |
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Truth Hunter wrote:
Can God became man?
No.
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| User: "Jez" |
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04 Feb 2005 12:06:03 PM |
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Truth Hunter wrote:
Can God became man?
No.
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| User: "Daniel Hoehr" |
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03 Feb 2005 08:24:53 AM |
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Truth Hunter wrote:
Can God became man?
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Christianity believes that God came down to earth in human form, as
Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
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The Torah states that God cannot not take any form.:
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"You will not be able to see My face, for no human can see my face and
live" (Exodus 33:18-20)
No, it doesn't.
It states that Moses is not able to see His face. The verse (ONE) you
quoted is Exodus 33:20 and not 18 - 20 (THREE).
Reading for comprehension is a good thing, just like citing the exact
verse. You should try it one day.
"You did not see any form on the day God spoke to you at Horeb from the=
midst of fire" (Deuteronomy 4:15)
Reference to past time.
You have not been able to prove your silly claim that "The Torah
states that God cannot not take any form." Instead you have
misrepresented Scripture.
Jews has always believed that God is
Incorporeal,=20
"Jews" is plural. Your auxiliary verb is incorrect.
meaning that He assumes no physical form. God is Eternal,
He is Infinite; above time and beyond space. He cannot be born, and
cannot die.
Adjectives are usually not capitalised in English.
Jesus pretended to be God.
Quote?
There is the verse from Hosea in which God
specifically tells us that God is not a human being:
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I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to
destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not a man; the Holy One in the midst=
of thee: and I will not enter into the city. [Hosea 11:9]
"I am God" --> Verb in the present tense. There is no reference to
the future.
Also God said there is only one God........Deuteronomy 6:4 and Isaiah
44:6, where God tells us, "I am the first, and I am the last; and
beside me there is no God." When Isaiah tells us that God said, "I am
the first," it means that God has no father. When Isaiah tells us that
God said, "I am the last," it means that God has no literal son. And
when Isaiah tells us that God said, "Besides me there is no God," it
means that God does not share being God with any other god, or
demi-god, or semi-god, or persons, and there is no trinity.
You have not understood the Trinity. You might want to catch up on
that before you continue to make an ***** of yourself.
DH
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| User: "\tle_mgr" |
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03 Feb 2005 09:59:50 PM |
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Daniel Hoehr wrote:
Truth Hunter wrote:
Can God became man?
Christianity believes that God came down to earth in human form, as
Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
The Torah states that God cannot not take any form.:
"You will not be able to see My face, for no human can see my face and
live" (Exodus 33:18-20)
No, it doesn't.
It states that Moses is not able to see His face. The verse (ONE) you
quoted is Exodus 33:20 and not 18 - 20 (THREE).
Reading for comprehension is a good thing, just like citing the exact
verse. You should try it one day.
Considering that there are over 500 different versions of the Bible:
King James, Jefferson etc. Who knows for sure what the original
scripture says? That is why the Quran is written the same always: in
Arabic and from the same source.
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| User: "Daniel Hoehr" |
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04 Feb 2005 01:36:10 AM |
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"tle_mgr\" wrote:
Daniel Hoehr wrote:
Truth Hunter wrote:
Can God became man?
Christianity believes that God came down to earth in human form, as
Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
The Torah states that God cannot not take any form.:
"You will not be able to see My face, for no human can see my face and
live" (Exodus 33:18-20)
No, it doesn't.
It states that Moses is not able to see His face. The verse (ONE) you
quoted is Exodus 33:20 and not 18 - 20 (THREE).
Reading for comprehension is a good thing, just like citing the exact
verse. You should try it one day.
Considering that there are over 500 different versions of the Bible:
King James, Jefferson etc. Who knows for sure what the original
scripture says?
These are not "versions" of the Bible, these are translations of the
Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts that constitute the Old and New
Testaments.
Having said that, the Protestant Bibles lack a few books, but that's a
different story.
That is why the Quran is written the same always: in
Arabic and from the same source.
Hardly a comparison. The Quran is much younger than the the writings
of the Bible and literary criticism has shown that it is by no means
from "the same source". But the historical-critical approach to the
Quran is not really popular amongst Muslims, is it?
DH
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| User: "Bush is the AntiChrist!! " |
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05 Feb 2005 08:36:19 AM |
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Daniel Hoehr wrote:
"tle_mgr\" wrote:
Daniel Hoehr wrote:
Truth Hunter wrote:
Can God became man?
Christianity believes that God came down to earth in human form, as
Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
The Torah states that God cannot not take any form.:
"You will not be able to see My face, for no human can see my face and
live" (Exodus 33:18-20)
No, it doesn't.
It states that Moses is not able to see His face. The verse (ONE) you
quoted is Exodus 33:20 and not 18 - 20 (THREE).
Reading for comprehension is a good thing, just like citing the exact
verse. You should try it one day.
Considering that there are over 500 different versions of the Bible:
King James, Jefferson etc. Who knows for sure what the original
scripture says?
These are not "versions" of the Bible, these are translations of the
Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts that constitute the Old and New
Testaments.
Having said that, the Protestant Bibles lack a few books, but that's a
different story.
That is why the Quran is written the same always: in Arabic and from
the same source.
Hardly a comparison. The Quran is much younger than the the writings
of the Bible and literary criticism has shown that it is by no means
from "the same source". But the historical-critical approach to the
Quran is not really popular amongst Muslims, is it?
DH
Much younger? The Christian/Catholic canons were fully approved until
300 years before Muhammed's revelation. There is no debating on the
source of the Quran, as it was from the Lord himself. Christianity,
OTOH was man made.
The only religions that were directed and approved of by the Lord God,
is Judaism and Islam. Anything you infer from this is on you.
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| User: "nunia" |
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05 Feb 2005 09:54:39 AM |
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"Bush is the AntiChrist!! " <tle_mgr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Daniel Hoehr wrote:
"tle_mgr\" wrote:
Daniel Hoehr wrote:
Truth Hunter wrote:
Can God became man?
Christianity believes that God came down to earth in human form, as
Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
The Torah states that God cannot not take any form.:
"You will not be able to see My face, for no human can see my face
and
live" (Exodus 33:18-20)
No, it doesn't.
It states that Moses is not able to see His face. The verse (ONE) you
quoted is Exodus 33:20 and not 18 - 20 (THREE).
Reading for comprehension is a good thing, just like citing the exact
verse. You should try it one day.
Considering that there are over 500 different versions of the Bible:
King James, Jefferson etc. Who knows for sure what the original
scripture says?
These are not "versions" of the Bible, these are translations of the
Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts that constitute the Old and New
Testaments.
Having said that, the Protestant Bibles lack a few books, but that's a
different story.
That is why the Quran is written the same always: in Arabic and from
the same source.
Hardly a comparison. The Quran is much younger than the the writings
of the Bible and literary criticism has shown that it is by no means
from "the same source". But the historical-critical approach to the
Quran is not really popular amongst Muslims, is it?
DH
Much younger? The Christian/Catholic canons were fully approved until
300 years before Muhammed's revelation. There is no debating on the
source of the Quran, as it was from the Lord himself. Christianity,
OTOH was man made.
The only religions that were directed and approved of by the Lord God,
is Judaism and Islam. Anything you infer from this is on you.
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hey moron-no such thing as a god.
grow a brain.
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05 Feb 2005 02:07:08 PM |
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"Bush is the AntiChrist!! " <tle_mgr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The only religions that were directed and approved of by the Lord God, is
Judaism and Islam.....
Well, you're half right!
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| User: "Bush is the AntiChrist!! " |
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05 Feb 2005 05:41:04 PM |
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zev wrote:
"Bush is the AntiChrist!! " <tle_mgr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uNKdndjwcaLAR5nfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
The only religions that were directed and approved of by the Lord God, is
Judaism and Islam.....
Well, you're half right!
Well, you are correct. Actually he only approves of Islam, but has
required that we show consideration to the other "people of the book",
despite their corrupted texts.
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Discussion forums for American Liberals, by Liberals:
http://www.comicboards.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi
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| User: "zev" |
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06 Feb 2005 01:28:59 AM |
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"Bush is the AntiChrist!! " <tle_mgr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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zev wrote:
"Bush is the AntiChrist!! " <tle_mgr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uNKdndjwcaLAR5nfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
The only religions that were directed and approved of by the Lord God, is
Judaism and Islam.....
Well, you're half right!
Well, you are correct. Actually he only approves of Islam, but has
required that we show consideration to the other "people of the book",
despite their corrupted texts.
Hey, wait a minute!
Didn't I say you were half wrong?
You can't agree with me :-)
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Feb 2005 12:55:59 AM |
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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 08:36:10 +0100, Daniel Hoehr <dhoehr@invalid.com>
said in alt.atheism:
"tle_mgr\" wrote:
Considering that there are over 500 different versions of the Bible:
King James, Jefferson etc. Who knows for sure what the original
scripture says?
These are not "versions" of the Bible, these are translations of the
Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts that constitute the Old and New
Testaments.
Then why are they different?
Having said that, the Protestant Bibles lack a few books
Or is it that the Catholic bibles have a few too many? Or that all
Christian bibles have far too many?
That is why the Quran is written the same always: in
Arabic and from the same source.
Hardly a comparison. The Quran is much younger than the the writings
of the Bible and literary criticism has shown that it is by no means
from "the same source".
The NT is much younger than the OT and literary criticism has shown
that it's not from "the same source".
Oops.
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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds
are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
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| User: "Carl" |
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04 Feb 2005 03:45:03 AM |
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Considering that there are over 500 different versions of the Bible:
King James, Jefferson etc. Who knows for sure what the original
scripture says? That is why the Quran is written the same always: in
Arabic and from the same source.
Hm, that is quite some argument. I believe there are even more than
500 different versions of the bible considering that it has been
translated (or at least the New Testament) into more than ~600
languages by wycliffe.org. So I would guess there are around 2000
different bible versions available.
Now how do you translate something into another language? You need a
source to work on and you have to keep it available to prove that you
translated it correctly. This source is mostly one of the early Greek
and Hebrew manuscripts that date back to the third or fourth century
a.d. (you may look at it at the British Library, openly displayed). So
to be concise nobody really says that you have thousands of different
bible versions nor does anybody say they are corrupt because you can
check the source. So generally speaking there is one source and copies
of it have been made or it was translated. Think about "I love You!",
I can write it in many different languages but it always says the
same: Uhibbuk, Ich liebe Dich, Je t'aime, ...
Speaking about the Quran, how come there are quranic inscriptions on
the dome of the rock that differ from the quran? Why did Uthman need
to destroy older copies of the quran when he compiled it?
Bernd.
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| User: "1MAN4ALL" |
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03 Feb 2005 11:05:22 AM |
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Daniel Hoehr wrote:
You have not understood the Trinity. You might want to catch up on
that before you continue to make an ***** of yourself.
I confess that I do not understand Trinity, and unfortunately I haven't
found a single person who could 'rationally' explain it to me without
coming to the eventual conclusion that divine mysteries cannot be
explained. One question that you might be able to answer for me is
this: Are the three 'persons' or facets of Trinity equal?
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| User: "Jack" |
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03 Feb 2005 05:33:28 PM |
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"1MAN4ALL" <forahmad@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1107450322.061592.182640@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Daniel Hoehr wrote:
You have not understood the Trinity. You might want to catch up on
that before you continue to make an ***** of yourself.
I confess that I do not understand Trinity, and unfortunately I haven't
found a single person who could 'rationally' explain it to me without
coming to the eventual conclusion that divine mysteries cannot be
explained. One question that you might be able to answer for me is
this: Are the three 'persons' or facets of Trinity equal?
A mystery is anything that the church wants you to beileive that defies
rationality. A successful religion will have you believe that there is more
value in the mystery than the lack of rationale for it.
Jack
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