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Can God have an orgasm? |
CAN GOD HAVE AN ORGASM?
By George H. Smith (excerpt from "Why Atheism?" published by
Prometheus Books)
Can God have an orgasm? The mere posing of the question is bound to
offend the religious sensibility of many people, and many would refuse
even to consider the question from fear that God - who is privy to
their every thought - would seriously disapprove of any such
blasphemous curiosity. But this question raises a serious problem
about the nature of God that dates back to the skeptics of ancient
Greece.
If we suppose that God can feel physical sensations of any kind, then
we must also suppose that God is a corporal entity, a physical
organism with the capacity to experience sensations. And this
supposition, aside from conflicting with the notion that God is a
purely spiritual being, carries with it the disturbing implication
that God is subject to change and so cannot be immutable. To
experience a sensation, after all, is to experience a change from one
state to another, so if God is able to feel anything we cannot regard
him as immutable, because this means the absence of any change
whatsoever.
Moreover, the notion that God can feel sensations and is therefore
subject to change is clearly incompatible with the absolute perfection
of God. For consider: If we suppose God to be perfect, then any change
must necessarily be for the worse, after which he will no longer be
perfect. If, on the other hand, we suppose that any change in God is
necessarily for the better, then this means that God was less than
perfect prior to the change.
These and similar arguments were first proposed by the skeptics of
ancient Greece, who showed that the traditional conception of God (or
the gods) is self-contradictory and therefore incoherent. The only way
out of this conceptual morass is to say that God, who never changes,
does not experience sensations or feelings of any kind, as we
understand those terms. But this assumption brings with it a new set
of problems. For example, if God is unable to experience pain, then
there is at least one thing that we humans (who are quite familiar
with this sensation) know that God does not, in which case God cannot
be omniscient. For we can never know the meaning of "pain" unless we
have experienced this sensation for ourselves. "Pain" must be defined
ostensively, i.e., through direct experience, so a being who has never
felt pain can never know the meaning of "pain."
Thus if God has never felt physical sensations of any kind, then there
are many things of which he is necessarily ignorant, things that are
known to his creatures but not to their creator. Most people have
experienced an orgasm, but can the same be said of God? If the answer
is yes, then we confront the previously discussed conflict between
change and immutability, as well as that between change and
perfection. If the answer is no, then we might ask why God has never
had an orgasm. Is this because he will not or because he cannot have
this experience? In the former case, although many things are
presently unknown to God, he could acquire this knowledge if he so
chose. In the latter case, God is forever barred from knowing many
things that we humans know quite well. In either case, however, God
cannot be all-knowing, because he must totally ignorant of sensory
knowledge.
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30 Nov 2003 02:49:08 AM |
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"Lou Sofer" <lousofer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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CAN GOD HAVE AN ORGASM?
By George H. Smith (excerpt from "Why Atheism?" published by
Prometheus Books)
Can God have an orgasm? The mere posing of the question is bound to
offend the religious sensibility of many people, and many would refuse
even to consider the question from fear that God - who is privy to
their every thought - would seriously disapprove of any such
blasphemous curiosity. But this question raises a serious problem
about the nature of God that dates back to the skeptics of ancient
Greece.
If we suppose that God can feel physical sensations of any kind, then
we must also suppose that God is a corporal entity, a physical
organism with the capacity to experience sensations. And this
supposition, aside from conflicting with the notion that God is a
purely spiritual being, carries with it the disturbing implication
that God is subject to change and so cannot be immutable. To
experience a sensation, after all, is to experience a change from one
state to another, so if God is able to feel anything we cannot regard
him as immutable, because this means the absence of any change
whatsoever.
Moreover, the notion that God can feel sensations and is therefore
subject to change is clearly incompatible with the absolute perfection
of God. For consider: If we suppose God to be perfect, then any change
must necessarily be for the worse, after which he will no longer be
perfect. If, on the other hand, we suppose that any change in God is
necessarily for the better, then this means that God was less than
perfect prior to the change.
These and similar arguments were first proposed by the skeptics of
ancient Greece, who showed that the traditional conception of God (or
the gods) is self-contradictory and therefore incoherent. The only way
out of this conceptual morass is to say that God, who never changes,
does not experience sensations or feelings of any kind, as we
understand those terms. But this assumption brings with it a new set
of problems. For example, if God is unable to experience pain, then
there is at least one thing that we humans (who are quite familiar
with this sensation) know that God does not, in which case God cannot
be omniscient. For we can never know the meaning of "pain" unless we
have experienced this sensation for ourselves. "Pain" must be defined
ostensively, i.e., through direct experience, so a being who has never
felt pain can never know the meaning of "pain."
Thus if God has never felt physical sensations of any kind, then there
are many things of which he is necessarily ignorant, things that are
known to his creatures but not to their creator. Most people have
experienced an orgasm, but can the same be said of God? If the answer
is yes, then we confront the previously discussed conflict between
change and immutability, as well as that between change and
perfection. If the answer is no, then we might ask why God has never
had an orgasm. Is this because he will not or because he cannot have
this experience? In the former case, although many things are
presently unknown to God, he could acquire this knowledge if he so
chose. In the latter case, God is forever barred from knowing many
things that we humans know quite well. In either case, however, God
cannot be all-knowing, because he must totally ignorant of sensory
knowledge.
Well, he fucked a virgin, but she was still a virgin. Talk about
needle-*****!
-ArWeSmall
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02 Dec 2003 07:44:31 PM |
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 08:49:08 GMT, "ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net>,
Message ID: <7aiyb.28066$6_5.13271@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
"Lou Sofer" <lousofer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6ee5fff8.0311292145.11af5fee@posting.google.com...
CAN GOD HAVE AN ORGASM?
By George H. Smith (excerpt from "Why Atheism?" published by
Prometheus Books)
Can God have an orgasm? The mere posing of the question is bound to
offend the religious sensibility of many people, and many would refuse
even to consider the question from fear that God - who is privy to
their every thought - would seriously disapprove of any such
blasphemous curiosity. But this question raises a serious problem
about the nature of God that dates back to the skeptics of ancient
Greece.
If we suppose that God can feel physical sensations of any kind, then
we must also suppose that God is a corporal entity, a physical
organism with the capacity to experience sensations. And this
supposition, aside from conflicting with the notion that God is a
purely spiritual being, carries with it the disturbing implication
that God is subject to change and so cannot be immutable. To
experience a sensation, after all, is to experience a change from one
state to another, so if God is able to feel anything we cannot regard
him as immutable, because this means the absence of any change
whatsoever.
Moreover, the notion that God can feel sensations and is therefore
subject to change is clearly incompatible with the absolute perfection
of God. For consider: If we suppose God to be perfect, then any change
must necessarily be for the worse, after which he will no longer be
perfect. If, on the other hand, we suppose that any change in God is
necessarily for the better, then this means that God was less than
perfect prior to the change.
These and similar arguments were first proposed by the skeptics of
ancient Greece, who showed that the traditional conception of God (or
the gods) is self-contradictory and therefore incoherent. The only way
out of this conceptual morass is to say that God, who never changes,
does not experience sensations or feelings of any kind, as we
understand those terms. But this assumption brings with it a new set
of problems. For example, if God is unable to experience pain, then
there is at least one thing that we humans (who are quite familiar
with this sensation) know that God does not, in which case God cannot
be omniscient. For we can never know the meaning of "pain" unless we
have experienced this sensation for ourselves. "Pain" must be defined
ostensively, i.e., through direct experience, so a being who has never
felt pain can never know the meaning of "pain."
Thus if God has never felt physical sensations of any kind, then there
are many things of which he is necessarily ignorant, things that are
known to his creatures but not to their creator. Most people have
experienced an orgasm, but can the same be said of God? If the answer
is yes, then we confront the previously discussed conflict between
change and immutability, as well as that between change and
perfection. If the answer is no, then we might ask why God has never
had an orgasm. Is this because he will not or because he cannot have
this experience? In the former case, although many things are
presently unknown to God, he could acquire this knowledge if he so
chose. In the latter case, God is forever barred from knowing many
things that we humans know quite well. In either case, however, God
cannot be all-knowing, because he must totally ignorant of sensory
knowledge.
Well, he fucked a virgin, but she was still a virgin. Talk about
needle-*****!
It was just a little *****.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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30 Nov 2003 02:02:00 AM |
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"Lou Sofer" <lousofer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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CAN GOD HAVE AN ORGASM?
Can God have an orgasm?
And when he comes does he say "Oh, man"
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| User: "Blast Femur" |
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30 Nov 2003 11:48:04 AM |
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(Lou Sofer) wrote in
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CAN GOD HAVE AN ORGASM?
Is the god omnipotent? Or is he omn-impotent?
--
Blast Femur
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"We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing
lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So
primitive and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes talking
to people and guys walking on water. We're ...sophisticated.'"
-Paul Provenza
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Dec 2003 07:45:23 PM |
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:48:04 GMT, Blast Femur <you@wish.com>, Message
ID: <Xns944363B058707blastfemur@216.148.227.77> wrote in alt.atheism;
lousofer@yahoo.com (Lou Sofer) wrote in
news:6ee5fff8.0311292145.11af5fee@posting.google.com:
CAN GOD HAVE AN ORGASM?
Is the god omnipotent? Or is he omn-impotent?
Omni-incompetant. The Bible says so.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Baruch" |
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08 Dec 2003 08:52:25 PM |
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Hi, stoney:
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
Just out of curiosity - are you still in the foxhole?
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Dec 2003 10:06:57 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 02:52:25 GMT, "Baruch" <baruch@N0blessedb.org$PAM>,
Message ID:
<JNaBb.169292$Ec1.6500087@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Hi, stoney:
G'Day Baruch;
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
Just out of curiosity - are you still in the foxhole?
( chuckling ) Depends on how you want to use the term 'foxhole'..
However, no I'm no longer in a foxhole as I'm retired military.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Baruch" |
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10 Dec 2003 06:12:25 PM |
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alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
Just out of curiosity - are you still in the foxhole?
( chuckling ) Depends on how you want to use the term 'foxhole'..
However, no I'm no longer in a foxhole as I'm retired military.
Got it... like your sense of humor... be well.
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| User: "stoney" |
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11 Dec 2003 06:34:13 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:12:25 GMT, "Baruch" <Baruch@NOblessedb.orgSPAM>,
Message ID:
<JDOBb.430892$0v4.20520346@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> wrote in
alt.atheism;
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
Just out of curiosity - are you still in the foxhole?
( chuckling ) Depends on how you want to use the term 'foxhole'..
However, no I'm no longer in a foxhole as I'm retired military.
Got it... like your sense of humor... be well.
Thank you, kindly. Smooth travelling to you.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Baruch" |
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01 Dec 2003 06:56:41 PM |
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Hi, Lou:
Instead of just quoting stuff, perhaps you could think about what it says.
You're quoting nonsense here...
If we suppose that God can feel physical sensations of any kind, then
we must also suppose that God is a corporal entity, a physical
Does not follow. This author is setting up straw men and knocking them down
handily.
purely spiritual being, carries with it the disturbing implication
that God is subject to change and so cannot be immutable. To
experience a sensation, after all, is to experience a change from one
state to another, so if God is able to feel anything we cannot regard
him as immutable, because this means the absence of any change
whatsoever.
This is a needless complication. If God thinks or *does* anything at all,
He changes in some way. To restrict this to having physical experiences is
superfluous.
Moreover, the notion that God can feel sensations and is therefore
subject to change is clearly incompatible with the absolute perfection
of God. For consider: If we suppose God to be perfect, then any change
This does not follow. It shows only a limitation of imagination, and proves
nothing more than that.
must necessarily be for the worse, after which he will no longer be
perfect. If, on the other hand, we suppose that any change in God is
necessarily for the better, then this means that God was less than
perfect prior to the change.
The author has overlooked the possibility that there is more than one state
of perfection, all equally "perfect". Come *on* - can't you come up with
something more imaginative than this?
be omniscient. For we can never know the meaning of "pain" unless we
have experienced this sensation for ourselves. "Pain" must be defined
ostensively, i.e., through direct experience, so a being who has never
felt pain can never know the meaning of "pain."
This has not been shown. You can't even say with certainty that this
applies to mortals, much less to an omniscient or omnipresent being (if such
exiss).
Thus if God has never felt physical sensations of any kind, then there
This premise has not been shown.
are many things of which he is necessarily ignorant, things that are
known to his creatures but not to their creator. Most people have
OK. How about this one: God is ignorant of anything of which He doesn't
know. That is, He doesn't know about anything that is outside His
knowledge.
We're back to "if God can do anything, can He make a rock so big He can't
move it?" You'd have been better off sticking with this single question,
instead of quoting this overly complicated, sloppy discussion.
perfection. If the answer is no, then we might ask why God has never
had an orgasm. Is this because he will not or because he cannot have
this experience? In the former case, although many things are
And while we're on the subject, how about this one: If God is perfect, the
He has never sinned. If He has never sinned, then He doesn't know sin; thus
He is not omniscient. Or - perhaps He did know sin, before He was perfect.
Maybe He had a period of time when He wasn't perfect. They say God has
existed forever; but was He perfect forever, or did He attain it at some
point? In fact, did He perhaps have a body once, and somehow transcend it?
presently unknown to God, he could acquire this knowledge if he so
chose. In the latter case, God is forever barred from knowing many
things that we humans know quite well. In either case, however, God
cannot be all-knowing, because he must totally ignorant of sensory
knowledge.
Again, you haven't come close to showing that God is ignorant of sensory
knowledge. This whole argument is sloppy and foolish. The questions it
supposedly raises can all be raised much more simply, without all the
complications this author has introduced.
To summarize: If God does anything, then He changes. Never mind the
orgasms.
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| User: "Robert Matthews" |
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30 Nov 2003 05:48:40 AM |
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In article <6ee5fff8.0311292145.11af5fee@posting.google.com>,
(Lou Sofer) wrote:
CAN GOD HAVE AN ORGASM?
By George H. Smith (excerpt from "Why Atheism?" published by
Prometheus Books)
Can God have an orgasm? The mere posing of the question is bound to
offend the religious sensibility of many people, and many would refuse
even to consider the question from fear that God - who is privy to
their every thought - would seriously disapprove of any such
blasphemous curiosity. But this question raises a serious problem
about the nature of God that dates back to the skeptics of ancient
Greece.
If we suppose that God can feel physical sensations of any kind, then
we must also suppose that God is a corporal entity, a physical
organism with the capacity to experience sensations. And this
supposition, aside from conflicting with the notion that God is a
purely spiritual being, carries with it the disturbing implication
that God is subject to change and so cannot be immutable. To
experience a sensation, after all, is to experience a change from one
state to another, so if God is able to feel anything we cannot regard
him as immutable, because this means the absence of any change
whatsoever.
Moreover, the notion that God can feel sensations and is therefore
subject to change is clearly incompatible with the absolute perfection
of God. For consider: If we suppose God to be perfect, then any change
must necessarily be for the worse, after which he will no longer be
perfect. If, on the other hand, we suppose that any change in God is
necessarily for the better, then this means that God was less than
perfect prior to the change.
These and similar arguments were first proposed by the skeptics of
ancient Greece, who showed that the traditional conception of God (or
the gods) is self-contradictory and therefore incoherent. The only way
out of this conceptual morass is to say that God, who never changes,
does not experience sensations or feelings of any kind, as we
understand those terms. But this assumption brings with it a new set
of problems. For example, if God is unable to experience pain, then
there is at least one thing that we humans (who are quite familiar
with this sensation) know that God does not, in which case God cannot
be omniscient. For we can never know the meaning of "pain" unless we
have experienced this sensation for ourselves. "Pain" must be defined
ostensively, i.e., through direct experience, so a being who has never
felt pain can never know the meaning of "pain."
Thus if God has never felt physical sensations of any kind, then there
are many things of which he is necessarily ignorant, things that are
known to his creatures but not to their creator. Most people have
experienced an orgasm, but can the same be said of God? If the answer
is yes, then we confront the previously discussed conflict between
change and immutability, as well as that between change and
perfection. If the answer is no, then we might ask why God has never
had an orgasm. Is this because he will not or because he cannot have
this experience? In the former case, although many things are
presently unknown to God, he could acquire this knowledge if he so
chose. In the latter case, God is forever barred from knowing many
things that we humans know quite well. In either case, however, God
cannot be all-knowing, because he must totally ignorant of sensory
knowledge.
I wanted to snip some of the above but it all seemed relevant.
Surely there can't be any question that the Christian god can feel
emotions. There are, after all, numerous verses (from the New American
Standard Bible, this batch) which refer to the god as being or becoming
angry:
Exodus 32:11 Then Moses entreated the LORD his God, and said, "O LORD,
why does Your anger burn against Your people whom You have brought out
from the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand?
Exodus 34:6 Then the LORD passed by in front of him and proclaimed, "The
LORD, the LORD God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and
abounding in loving kindness and truth...
Numbers 22:22 But God was angry because he was going...
Deuteronomy 4:25 When you become the father of children and children's
children and have remained long in the land, and act corruptly, and
make an idol in the form of anything, and do that which is evil in the
sight of the LORD your God {so as} to provoke Him to anger...
Deuteronomy 6:15 For the LORD your God in the midst of you is a jealous
God ; otherwise the anger of the LORD your God will be kindled against
you, and He will wipe you off the face of the earth.
Job 9:13 God will not turn back His anger; Beneath Him crouch the
helpers of Rahab.
Psalms 60:1 O God, You have rejected us. You have broken us; You have
been angry; O, restore us.
I could list dozens more but you get the idea. It seems that this
particular god is jealous, wrathful, petulant, vindictive, and
implacable in its anger (when it really gets going). It doesn't sound
like the most...emotionally stable entity in the universe, does it? Not
something I'd want to worship.
I guess absolute power really does corrupt absolutely.
Robert Matthews
a.a. #1801
(P.S. The search engine I used was bible.crosswalk.com, which is a
pretty good resource for this sort of thing--Boolean searches and all.)
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| User: "Baruch" |
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01 Dec 2003 07:02:55 PM |
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Hello, Robert:
I wanted to snip some of the above but it all seemed relevant.
I snipped it anyway...
Surely there can't be any question that the Christian god can feel
emotions. There are, after all, numerous verses (from the New American
Standard Bible, this batch) which refer to the god as being or becoming
angry:
I could list dozens more but you get the idea. It seems that this
particular god is jealous, wrathful, petulant, vindictive, and
implacable in its anger (when it really gets going). It doesn't sound
like the most...emotionally stable entity in the universe, does it? Not
something I'd want to worship.
I guess absolute power really does corrupt absolutely.
These verses are simply expressions of God's nature in such terms as man can
understand. Remember who the audience is - you have to adjust your comments
according to your audience. God is described as having hands, feet, a nose
(that is the actual word in Hebrew for anger - "nose", as in "the nose of
God was turned against him..."). God is described as a man, an angel,
clouds, flames, a voice, and so on. These are all within *human*
experience. It would be useless to try to describe God in terms that no one
understood. Such a scripture, if ever written, would not survive through
the ages. It would be dismissed as nonsense.
Similarly, ancient scriptures such as the Bible are now being dismissed as
trivial or nonsense or barbaric, because the audience has changed. This is
an ongoing process that will continue as long as people write things down
about God.
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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02 Dec 2003 05:37:49 AM |
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"Baruch" <Baruch@NOblessedb.orgSPAM> wrote in message
news:3xRyb.138304$Ec1.5641462@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
<snips>
ancient scriptures such as the Bible are now being dismissed as
trivial or nonsense or barbaric, because the audience has changed. This
is
an ongoing process that will continue as long as people write things down
about God.
yes, but not cos of the reasons you think.....
<cue evil atheist laughter>
speaking of divine wankery, Atum the egyptian creator deity in one tradition
masturbated the world into existence. bet he almost passed out shooting that
load
-Cutest
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| User: "Baruch" |
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02 Dec 2003 12:17:11 PM |
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<snips>
ancient scriptures such as the Bible are now being dismissed as
trivial or nonsense or barbaric, because the audience has changed. This
is
an ongoing process that will continue as long as people write things
down
about God.
yes, but not cos of the reasons you think.....
Uh, what reasons do I think? I'm always interested in hearing how people
can know what I think.
<cue evil atheist laughter>
speaking of divine wankery, Atum the egyptian creator deity in one
tradition
masturbated the world into existence. bet he almost passed out shooting
that
load
Hey, I didn't write that stuff... whatever does it for you, as far as gods
are concerned. There was a Hindu deity who produced a child when he had a
wet dream and his semen fell onto a leaf. He tried to stamp the semen out
(to prevent the leaf from conceiving, apparently), but to no avail. I
forgot who the offspring was; it's in the Mahabharata somewhere... the kid's
name means, "quick step", for what it's worth. Aren't the gods nifty?
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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02 Dec 2003 08:00:50 PM |
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"Baruch" <baruch@N0blessedb.org$PAM> wrote in message
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<snips>
ancient scriptures such as the Bible are now being dismissed as
trivial or nonsense or barbaric, because the audience has changed.
This
is
an ongoing process that will continue as long as people write things
down
about God.
yes, but not cos of the reasons you think.....
Uh, what reasons do I think? I'm always interested in hearing how people
can know what I think.
you obviously don't think it's nonsense, but it is, and that's why it will
continue to be criticised. you stated what you think, you know. flame me for
somethig else cos you don't like my opinion (scared it's true, aren't ya??)
<cue evil atheist laughter>
speaking of divine wankery, Atum the egyptian creator deity in one
tradition
masturbated the world into existence. bet he almost passed out shooting
that
load
Hey, I didn't write that stuff... whatever does it for you, as far as gods
are concerned. There was a Hindu deity who produced a child when he had a
wet dream and his semen fell onto a leaf. He tried to stamp the semen out
(to prevent the leaf from conceiving, apparently), but to no avail. I
forgot who the offspring was; it's in the Mahabharata somewhere... the
kid's
name means, "quick step", for what it's worth. Aren't the gods nifty?
they are indeed, and go about things in very colourful ways
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| User: "Baruch" |
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| Title: Re: Can God have an orgasm? |
08 Dec 2003 08:50:54 PM |
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Hi, cutest:
yes, but not cos of the reasons you think.....
Uh, what reasons do I think? I'm always interested in hearing how
people
can know what I think.
you obviously don't think it's nonsense, but it is, and that's why it will
continue to be criticised. you stated what you think, you know. flame me
for
somethig else cos you don't like my opinion (scared it's true, aren't
ya??)
First of all, what's "obvious" isn't necessarily true. I am not convinced
it's *not* nonsense. As I have often said on this NG (alt.religion.angels),
I honestly don't know. I'm not scared your opinion is true. I have nothing
to lose if it is - other than an invisible friend.
My whole point in posting wasn't to prove the existence of God. It wasn't
to show that He can or cannot have an orgasm, or experience anything else we
mortals experience. I don't know. My intent was to point out the sloppy
thinking of the person Mr. Sofer was quoting. It was a complicated ramble
in poor reasoning that tried to attack the existence of God based on faulty
assumptions.
As much as I believe it is impossible to prove the existence of God, I
believe it is impossible to prove the non-existence of God. In fact, as far
as I know, it's impossible to prove the non-existence of anything.
Anyway, you seem to be attributing to me qualities that do not apply to me.
Having pegged me as a True Believer, you appear to assume I am also rabid in
my beliefs, that I will flame you for disagreeing with me, that I will
threaten you with damnation and hellfire, and so on. If you take a look at
posts I've made over time, you'll note that I'm not particularly committed
to any particular set of beliefs, since I consistently admit that I don't
know.
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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| Title: Re: Can God have an orgasm? |
12 Dec 2003 08:18:06 AM |
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God had one orgasm to produce Jesus. We call that the first coming.
-Barry
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Web page: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~barry.og
Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information.
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| User: "Zsarnok" |
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12 Dec 2003 11:51:03 AM |
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LOL!
Zsarnok
Barry OGrady wrote:
God had one orgasm to produce Jesus. We call that the first coming.
-Barry
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Web page: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~barry.og
Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information.
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 Dec 2003 10:10:49 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:18:06 +1100, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<agjjtvs8nicto9rtmou6h93pb40hvmsf1f@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
God had one orgasm to produce Jesus. We call that the first coming.
It was also beastiality.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Fear gan dia" |
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12 Dec 2003 11:52:59 AM |
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Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Barry OGrady <god_freee_jones@hotmail.com>
in <agjjtvs8nicto9rtmou6h93pb40hvmsf1f@4ax.com>:
God had one orgasm to produce Jesus. We call that the first coming.
When God has an organism, does he shout: "Me! me!"?
--
Fear gan dia # http://goddamliberal.port5.com # U5 and proud of it!
WORK HARDER - millionaires on corporate welfare depend on you.
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 Dec 2003 10:11:41 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:52:59 GMT, "Fear gan dia"
<ssxtxhxddrls@qhslthdsnlrq.com>, Message ID:
<3fda007b.003@qhslthdsnlrq.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Barry OGrady <god_freee_jones@hotmail.com>
in <agjjtvs8nicto9rtmou6h93pb40hvmsf1f@4ax.com>:
God had one orgasm to produce Jesus. We call that the first coming.
When God has an organism, does he shout: "Me! me!"?
1) No. "Oh random, oh chance!"
2) How can 'he' when he's got a mouth full?
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Fear gan dia" |
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12 Dec 2003 11:53:51 AM |
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Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by "Fear gan dia" <ssxtxhxddrls@qhslthdsnlrq.com>
in <3fda007b.003@qhslthdsnlrq.com>:
Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Barry OGrady <god_freee_jones@hotmail.com>
in <agjjtvs8nicto9rtmou6h93pb40hvmsf1f@4ax.com>:
God had one orgasm to produce Jesus. We call that the first coming.
When God has an organism, does he shout: "Me! me!"?
Boy, I screwed that up, didn't I. Let's try again:
When God has an orgasm, does he shout: "Me! me!"?
--
Fear gan dia # http://goddamliberal.port5.com # U5 and proud of it!
WORK HARDER - millionaires on corporate welfare depend on you.
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Can God have an orgasm? |
13 Dec 2003 05:36:45 AM |
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"Fear gan dia" <nxlslxldxnlq@qtssbbbdhtsl.com> wrote in message
news:3fda00af.004@qtssbbbdhtsl.com...
Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by "Fear gan dia"
<ssxtxhxddrls@qhslthdsnlrq.com>
in <3fda007b.003@qhslthdsnlrq.com>:
Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com>
in <agjjtvs8nicto9rtmou6h93pb40hvmsf1f@4ax.com>:
God had one orgasm to produce Jesus. We call that the first coming.
When God has an organism, does he shout: "Me! me!"?
Boy, I screwed that up, didn't I. Let's try again:
When God has an orgasm, does he shout: "Me! me!"?
mmmm organisms....get me randy, every time
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| User: "AngryJohn" |
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| Title: Re: Can God have an orgasm? |
13 Dec 2003 10:40:52 AM |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:36:45 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Fear gan dia" <nxlslxldxnlq@qtssbbbdhtsl.com> wrote in message
news:3fda00af.004@qtssbbbdhtsl.com...
Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by "Fear gan dia"
<ssxtxhxddrls@qhslthdsnlrq.com>
in <3fda007b.003@qhslthdsnlrq.com>:
Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com>
in <agjjtvs8nicto9rtmou6h93pb40hvmsf1f@4ax.com>:
God had one orgasm to produce Jesus. We call that the first coming.
When God has an organism, does he shout: "Me! me!"?
Boy, I screwed that up, didn't I. Let's try again:
When God has an orgasm, does he shout: "Me! me!"?
mmmm organisms....get me randy, every time
A self building circular path of hedonistic pleasure.
Or, Randy is really lucky. :)
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aa#2106
Remove Belief to reply
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Can God have an orgasm? |
13 Dec 2003 10:18:02 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:40:52 -0500, AngryJohn
<KuoshuJohnBelief@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<p6gmtvcubbjnf36f2vne7vu8sjhsp9uk6f@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:36:45 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Fear gan dia" <nxlslxldxnlq@qtssbbbdhtsl.com> wrote in message
news:3fda00af.004@qtssbbbdhtsl.com...
Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by "Fear gan dia"
<ssxtxhxddrls@qhslthdsnlrq.com>
in <3fda007b.003@qhslthdsnlrq.com>:
Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com>
in <agjjtvs8nicto9rtmou6h93pb40hvmsf1f@4ax.com>:
God had one orgasm to produce Jesus. We call that the first coming.
When God has an organism, does he shout: "Me! me!"?
Boy, I screwed that up, didn't I. Let's try again:
When God has an orgasm, does he shout: "Me! me!"?
mmmm organisms....get me randy, every time
A self building circular path of hedonistic pleasure.
Or, Randy is really lucky. :)
Heh...I was dating a nurse when I was stationed in Scotland. She
indicated an incident that had happened some time before.
A bit of the setting at that time. The ladies would be on the dance
floor dancing with each other while the guys would ring the edge of the
dance floor.
Us 'uncultured' American types would pick two ladies who were dancing
with each other and politely introduce yourself and ask them if they
would like to dance. Invariably, they would say yes.
Back to the story.....The nurse indicated that one guy came up to her
and said; "Hi, I'm Randy."
She replied; "Not wit' yea aren't." And decked him on the spot.
He lay on the dance floor looking up in total astonishment and said;
"No. My name is Randy."
She indicated she turned all shades of red.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Randy Day" |
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| Title: Re: Can God have an orgasm? |
13 Dec 2003 11:05:36 PM |
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stoney wrote:
[snip]
Back to the story.....The nurse indicated that one guy came up to her
and said; "Hi, I'm Randy."
She replied; "Not wit' yea aren't." And decked him on the spot.
He lay on the dance floor looking up in total astonishment and said;
"No. My name is Randy."
She indicated she turned all shades of red.
Some family friends of ours immigrated here from
Scotland a <cough> 'few' years ago. Apparently
there were comments and a few raised eyebrows
when I was introduced to them...
Of course, being a little kid at the time, I
missed all the byplay. I didn't find out about
this until I was older...
If I ever visit the UK, I'll have to remember to
be REAL careful with introductions! ;)
R
Atheist Chair,
EAC Disciplinary Committee
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Can God have an orgasm? |
14 Dec 2003 04:50:20 PM |
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"Randy Day" <ruthal@sasktel.nex> wrote in message
news:3FDBEFA0.962D76DB@sasktel.nex...
stoney wrote:
[snip]
Back to the story.....The nurse indicated that one guy came up to her
and said; "Hi, I'm Randy."
She replied; "Not wit' yea aren't." And decked him on the spot.
He lay on the dance floor looking up in total astonishment and said;
"No. My name is Randy."
She indicated she turned all shades of red.
Some family friends of ours immigrated here from
Scotland a <cough> 'few' years ago. Apparently
there were comments and a few raised eyebrows
when I was introduced to them...
Of course, being a little kid at the time, I
missed all the byplay. I didn't find out about
this until I was older...
now's the time to tell us you humped their legs
If I ever visit the UK, I'll have to remember to
be REAL careful with introductions! ;)
R
Atheist Chair,
EAC Disciplinary Committee
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Can God have an orgasm? |
16 Dec 2003 11:49:40 AM |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:50:20 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<MO5Db.52784$aT.25199@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote in alt.atheism;
"Randy Day" <ruthal@sasktel.nex> wrote in message
news:3FDBEFA0.962D76DB@sasktel.nex...
stoney wrote:
[snip]
Back to the story.....The nurse indicated that one guy came up to her
and said; "Hi, I'm Randy."
She replied; "Not wit' yea aren't." And decked him on the spot.
He lay on the dance floor looking up in total astonishment and said;
"No. My name is Randy."
She indicated she turned all shades of red.
Some family friends of ours immigrated here from
Scotland a <cough> 'few' years ago. Apparently
there were comments and a few raised eyebrows
when I was introduced to them...
Of course, being a little kid at the time, I
missed all the byplay. I didn't find out about
this until I was older...
now's the time to tell us you humped their legs
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She 'got ya,' there Randy.....
(snip)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Can God have an orgasm? |
19 Dec 2003 05:31:03 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:7a041e01fdce634bd81440848e4c11a3@news.teranews.com...
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:50:20 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<MO5Db.52784$aT.25199@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote in alt.atheism;
"Randy Day" <ruthal@sasktel.nex> wrote in message
news:3FDBEFA0.962D76DB@sasktel.nex...
stoney wrote:
[snip]
Back to the story.....The nurse indicated that one guy came up to her
and said; "Hi, I'm Randy."
She replied; "Not wit' yea aren't." And decked him on the spot.
He lay on the dance floor looking up in total astonishment and said;
"No. My name is Randy."
She indicated she turned all shades of red.
Some family friends of ours immigrated here from
Scotland a <cough> 'few' years ago. Apparently
there were comments and a few raised eyebrows
when I was introduced to them...
Of course, being a little kid at the time, I
missed all the byplay. I didn't find out about
this until I was older...
now's the time to tell us you humped their legs
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She 'got ya,' there Randy.....
one down, the rest of the forum to go....
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Can God have an orgasm? |
19 Dec 2003 06:57:21 PM |
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:31:03 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<XjBEb.58318$aT.15330@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote in alt.atheism;
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:7a041e01fdce634bd81440848e4c11a3@news.teranews.com...
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:50:20 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<MO5Db.52784$aT.25199@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote in alt.atheism;
"Randy Day" <ruthal@sasktel.nex> wrote in message
news:3FDBEFA0.962D76DB@sasktel.nex...
stoney wrote:
[snip]
Back to the story.....The nurse indicated that one guy came up to her
and said; "Hi, I'm Randy."
She replied; "Not wit' yea aren't." And decked him on the spot.
He lay on the dance floor looking up in total astonishment and said;
"No. My name is Randy."
She indicated she turned all shades of red.
Some family friends of ours immigrated here from
Scotland a <cough> 'few' years ago. Apparently
there were comments and a few raised eyebrows
when I was introduced to them...
Of course, being a little kid at the time, I
missed all the byplay. I didn't find out about
this until I was older...
now's the time to tell us you humped their legs
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She 'got ya,' there Randy.....
one down, the rest of the forum to go....
/cue Blackfoot's "Train Train"..... :)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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