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"J Young" |
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12 Apr 2007 11:24:06 PM |
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Catholic Bashers Spared Imus Treatment |
http://catholicleague.org/07press_releases/quarter_2/070411_imus.htm
Catholic League president Bill Donohue commented today on the way
Catholic bashers are treated as compared to Don Imus:
"Two years ago, Penn Jillette (of the comedy team Penn and Teller)
went on Showtime calling Mother Teresa 'Mother F-king Teresa' and
called the nuns who worked with her 'f-king c-ts.' Showtime is owned
by Viacom and that is why I wrote to its chief, Sumner Redstone, to
register a complaint. He wrote back extolling the merits of 'artistic
freedom' and 'tolerance.' Last year, on Viacom-owned CBS radio,
Jillette said Mother Teresa 'had this weird kink that I think was
sexual,' compared the saintly nun to Charles Manson and said she 'got
her [sexual] kicks watching people suffer and die.' Again, nothing was
done about this.
"In 2005, Bill Maher went on HBO at the time of the death of Pope John
Paul II and said, 'For those who could not make the funeral, the
Vatican has asked that in lieu of flowers, just stop touching your d-
k.' He also said that the whole story of Jesus, the Virgin Mary and
the Resurrection was 'grafted from paganism'; he ended by mocking the
death of the pope and the upcoming conclave. The letter I received
from HBO said that 'it's a free country, and people are free to say
silly things-even on HBO.'
"Right before Easter, the Catholic League protested the chocolate
Jesus with his genitals exposed that was to be shown in the art
gallery of the Roger Smith Hotel in midtown Manhattan (located on
street level, the public was invited to eat him). Air America radio co-
host Cenk Uygur, writing on 'The Huffington Post,' said, 'So is the
argument that Jesus didn't have a d-k? Or were people offended because
it was too big? Too Small? Too immaculate? Not immaculate enough?'
Regarding Imus's remark, Uygur called it 'derogatory and insulting.'
"Similarly, Joan Walsh on Salon.com said the chocolate Jesus was not
'a big deal,' and advised people not to go see it if they didn't like
it. She has now called on Imus to be fired. Even New York City Mayor
Mike Bloomberg said 'don't pay any attention' to the chocolate Jesus,
but he now finds it necessary to brand Imus' comments 'repugnant.'
"In other words, Catholic bashing is humorous and an exercise in
liberty. Racism is awful. Bigotry, then, is neither good nor bad-it
just depends who the target is."
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Critics Spared Imus Treatment |
13 Apr 2007 12:16:51 AM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Catholic League president Bill Donohue commented today on the way
Catholic bashers are treated as compared to Don Imus:
Lessee, Imus called a group of women whores, which they clearly were
not, while critics of the Catholic church attack the church's defense
and protection of child molesters. And clearly this immoral creep
would rather attack the victims than deal with the problem.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Bashers Spared Imus Treatment |
13 Apr 2007 07:55:07 PM |
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On 12 Apr 2007 21:24:06 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
"Two years ago, Penn Jillette (of the comedy team Penn and Teller)
went on Showtime calling Mother Teresa 'Mother F-king Teresa' and
called the nuns who worked with her 'f-king c-ts.' Showtime is owned
by Viacom and that is why I wrote to its chief, Sumner Redstone, to
register a complaint. He wrote back extolling the merits of 'artistic
freedom' and 'tolerance.' Last year, on Viacom-owned CBS radio,
Jillette said Mother Teresa 'had this weird kink that I think was
sexual,' compared the saintly nun to Charles Manson and said she 'got
her [sexual] kicks watching people suffer and die.' Again, nothing was
done about this.
So you're saying that truth is anti-Catholic.
"In 2005, Bill Maher went on HBO at the time of the death of Pope John
Paul II and said, 'For those who could not make the funeral, the
Vatican has asked that in lieu of flowers, just stop touching your d-
k.' He also said that the whole story of Jesus, the Virgin Mary and
the Resurrection was 'grafted from paganism'
And the evidence that it wasn't?
"Right before Easter, the Catholic League protested the chocolate
Jesus with his genitals exposed that was to be shown in the art
gallery of the Roger Smith Hotel in midtown Manhattan (located on
street level, the public was invited to eat him).
If bad taste were illegal, the planet would be called "Prison", not
"Earth".
If the truth offend thee ...
.... well, it's just too bad, but truth isn't going to change itself to
make you feel better.
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| User: "Liz" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Bashers Spared Imus Treatment |
13 Apr 2007 07:41:29 AM |
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On 12 Apr 2007 21:24:06 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
news message <1176438245.998634.238760@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
wrote:
http://catholicleague.org/07press_releases/quarter_2/070411_imus.htm
Catholic League president Bill Donohue commented today on the way
Catholic bashers are treated as compared to Don Imus:
Bill Donohue wants to reinstitute the Inquisition. He's probably been
heating red hot polers for years without the satisfaction of being
able to use them.
The way Don Imus was treated was an overreaction to his stupid
comments and ill-conceived attempt at humor. Sharpton made it a cause
celebre when what it deserved was reproof, apology, and repentance.
Despite that, Donohue is jealous that he, unlike Sharpton, can't run
people out of town on a rail for perceived insults let alone erect the
pyres like in the good old days.
Don Imus' comments do not define African-Americans unless they let
them. Penn's comments do not define the Catholic Church unless the
Church's spokespersons let them. I don't know anyone who actually
believed that Imus' comments had any truth content. Donohue, otoh,
seems to think that such derogatory comments define the Catholic
Church and, afraid that people might believe them, wants to obliterate
such heresy with extreme prejudice.
He is a fanatic.
Liz #658 BAAWA
If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell
people what they do not want to hear. - George Orwell
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Bashers Spared Imus Treatment |
13 Apr 2007 07:58:45 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:41:29 -0400, Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote:
Donohue, otoh,
seems to think that such derogatory comments define the Catholic
Church and, afraid that people might believe them
Because he knows that most of them are true.
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| User: "Liz" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Bashers Spared Imus Treatment |
14 Apr 2007 10:27:17 AM |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:58:45 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> in
news message <ap9023tracs5ko6die3qeqqb4it74m0qf9@4ax.com> wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:41:29 -0400, Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote:
Donohue, otoh,
seems to think that such derogatory comments define the Catholic
Church and, afraid that people might believe them
Because he knows that most of them are true.
That is why it is even more important to have the power to hurt those
who say them. He watches Imus being punished for making untrue
statements and wallows in unrighteous indignation that he isn't
allowed to punish, for the far more egregious act, all those who make
true statements. He must quash the accusations of pagan beginnings as
well as the story about a married Jesus producing a child.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Religion may in most of its forms be defined as the
belief that the gods are on the side of the government.
-- Bertrand Russell
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Bashers Spared Imus Treatment |
13 Apr 2007 05:24:37 AM |
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On 13 avr, 06:24, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
http://catholicleague.org/07press_releases/quarter_2/070411_imus.htm
Catholic League president Bill Donohue commented today on the way
Catholic bashers are treated as compared to Don Imus:
Get a grip, nazi turd... There are no catholic bashers: to call you
nazi turd, Duke moron or Wentzky pervert isn't attacking your sect
(which we couldn't care less about) but merely stating the obvious.
As long as pseudo-christians like you send their trash here, they'll
get what they deserve.
Get used to it or become decent.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Bashers Spared Imus Treatment |
13 Apr 2007 07:57:32 PM |
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On 13 Apr 2007 03:24:37 -0700, "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 13 avr, 06:24, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
http://catholicleague.org/07press_releases/quarter_2/070411_imus.htm
Catholic League president Bill Donohue commented today on the way
Catholic bashers are treated as compared to Don Imus:
Get a grip, nazi turd... There are no catholic bashers: to call you
nazi turd, Duke moron or Wentzky pervert isn't attacking your sect
(which we couldn't care less about) but merely stating the obvious.
As long as pseudo-christians like you send their trash here, they'll
get what they deserve.
Get used to it or become decent.
You call yourself an atheist, and you still believe in miracles not
even the Christian god could pull off?
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| User: "Syd M." |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Bashers Spared Imus Treatment |
13 Apr 2007 03:18:46 PM |
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On Apr 13, 6:24 am, "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 13 avr, 06:24, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
http://catholicleague.org/07press_releases/quarter_2/070411_imus.htm
Catholic League president Bill Donohue commented today on the way
Catholic bashers are treated as compared to Don Imus:
Get a grip, nazi turd... There are no catholic bashers: to call you
nazi turd, Duke moron or Wentzky pervert isn't attacking your sect
(which we couldn't care less about) but merely stating the obvious.
As long as pseudo-christians like you send their trash here, they'll
get what they deserve.
Get used to it or become decent.
Your asking the impossible, you know..
PDW, JerkYoung decent? As if!
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| User: "ScottyFLL" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Bashers Spared Imus Treatment |
13 Apr 2007 03:27:55 PM |
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On Apr 13, 12:24 am, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Catholic Bashers Spared Imus Treatment
To use your own argument: Being Catholic is a choice. If you don't
want to be bashed, convert.
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| User: "tirebiter" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Bashers Spared Imus Treatment |
13 Apr 2007 04:01:07 PM |
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"ScottyFLL" <1scott@lycos.com> wrote in news:1176496075.579723.15130
@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
On Apr 13, 12:24 am, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Catholic Bashers Spared Imus Treatment
To use your own argument: Being Catholic is a choice. If you don't
want to be bashed, convert.
I keep hearing/reading people defend Imus using First Amendment protection
arguments. As far as I know (being as complete a legal layman as is
possible), but I don't think there is any 1st Amendment issue here. Nor is
it an issue of it being ok to bash one group but not another.
Imus isn't being prevented from saying anything he wants. His employers,
who pay him to talk, have just decided to stop giving him access to public
airways. I think this opens doors to contractual obligations and wrongful
dismissal claims, but that's something for a bunch of lawyers to amass
giant bills while they sort it out.
Another difference here is that Imus uses public airways (CBS Radio) and
basic cable (MSNBC), which are heavily regulated by the FCC. HBO and
Showtime are premium services, and although they have FCC obligations too,
they have much more leeway (hence all the cussing and nudity).
Plus, Imus directed his comments at specific people, not a nebulous group.
These people are not celebrities; they don't live in a public fishbowl
world. They're college students who play basketball, and happened to be
televised. They did nothing to invite racial and sexual insults.
Mahar's and Penn's comments were also focused at specific people, but they
happened to be dead, and Bill Donohue wasn't the direct target, and
therefore isn't the so-called injured party. The remarks about Mother
Teresa or the Pope were based on their actions, and as public figures, they
left themselves open to critique for those actions.
But when it comes down to it, it's the first thing I mentioned. CBS
finally decided that Imus wasn't worth putting up with, but HBO and
Showtime still think Mahar and Penn&Teller are.
--
a.a. #2273
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "scotty" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic Bashers Spared Imus Treatment |
13 Apr 2007 12:28:32 AM |
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On Apr 13, 12:24 am, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
http://catholicleague.org/07press_releases/quarter_2/070411_imus.htm
Catholic League president Bill Donohue commented today on the way
Catholic bashers are treated as compared to Don Imus:
"Two years ago, Penn Jillette (of the comedy team Penn and Teller)
went on Showtime calling Mother Teresa 'Mother F-king Teresa' and
called the nuns who worked with her 'f-king c-ts.' Showtime is owned
by Viacom and that is why I wrote to its chief, Sumner Redstone, to
register a complaint. He wrote back extolling the merits of 'artistic
freedom' and 'tolerance.' Last year, on Viacom-owned CBS radio,
Jillette said Mother Teresa 'had this weird kink that I think was
sexual,' compared the saintly nun to Charles Manson and said she 'got
her [sexual] kicks watching people suffer and die.' Again, nothing was
done about this.
"In 2005, Bill Maher went on HBO at the time of the death of Pope John
Paul II and said, 'For those who could not make the funeral, the
Vatican has asked that in lieu of flowers, just stop touching your d-
k.' He also said that the whole story of Jesus, the Virgin Mary and
the Resurrection was 'grafted from paganism'; he ended by mocking the
death of the pope and the upcoming conclave. The letter I received
from HBO said that 'it's a free country, and people are free to say
silly things-even on HBO.'
"Right before Easter, the Catholic League protested the chocolate
Jesus with his genitals exposed that was to be shown in the art
gallery of the Roger Smith Hotel in midtown Manhattan (located on
street level, the public was invited to eat him). Air America radio co-
host Cenk Uygur, writing on 'The Huffington Post,' said, 'So is the
argument that Jesus didn't have a d-k? Or were people offended because
it was too big? Too Small? Too immaculate? Not immaculate enough?'
Regarding Imus's remark, Uygur called it 'derogatory and insulting.'
"Similarly, Joan Walsh on Salon.com said the chocolate Jesus was not
'a big deal,' and advised people not to go see it if they didn't like
it. She has now called on Imus to be fired. Even New York City Mayor
Mike Bloomberg said 'don't pay any attention' to the chocolate Jesus,
but he now finds it necessary to brand Imus' comments 'repugnant.'
"In other words, Catholic bashing is humorous and an exercise in
liberty. Racism is awful. Bigotry, then, is neither good nor bad-it
just depends who the target is."
What about all the young boys raped by priests and having it covered
up by the church.
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| User: "The Holy Bretts" |
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13 Apr 2007 04:10:40 AM |
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On 12 Apr 2007 22:28:32 -0700, "scotty" <bnbkern@adelphia.net> wrote:
On Apr 13, 12:24 am, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
http://catholicleague.org/07press_releases/quarter_2/070411_imus.htm
Catholic League president Bill Donohue commented today on the way
Catholic bashers are treated as compared to Don Imus:
"Two years ago, Penn Jillette (of the comedy team Penn and Teller)
went on Showtime calling Mother Teresa 'Mother F-king Teresa' and
called the nuns who worked with her 'f-king c-ts.' Showtime is owned
by Viacom and that is why I wrote to its chief, Sumner Redstone, to
register a complaint. He wrote back extolling the merits of 'artistic
freedom' and 'tolerance.' Last year, on Viacom-owned CBS radio,
Jillette said Mother Teresa 'had this weird kink that I think was
sexual,' compared the saintly nun to Charles Manson and said she 'got
her [sexual] kicks watching people suffer and die.' Again, nothing was
done about this.
"In 2005, Bill Maher went on HBO at the time of the death of Pope John
Paul II and said, 'For those who could not make the funeral, the
Vatican has asked that in lieu of flowers, just stop touching your d-
k.' He also said that the whole story of Jesus, the Virgin Mary and
the Resurrection was 'grafted from paganism'; he ended by mocking the
death of the pope and the upcoming conclave. The letter I received
from HBO said that 'it's a free country, and people are free to say
silly things-even on HBO.'
"Right before Easter, the Catholic League protested the chocolate
Jesus with his genitals exposed that was to be shown in the art
gallery of the Roger Smith Hotel in midtown Manhattan (located on
street level, the public was invited to eat him). Air America radio co-
host Cenk Uygur, writing on 'The Huffington Post,' said, 'So is the
argument that Jesus didn't have a d-k? Or were people offended because
it was too big? Too Small? Too immaculate? Not immaculate enough?'
Regarding Imus's remark, Uygur called it 'derogatory and insulting.'
"Similarly, Joan Walsh on Salon.com said the chocolate Jesus was not
'a big deal,' and advised people not to go see it if they didn't like
it. She has now called on Imus to be fired. Even New York City Mayor
Mike Bloomberg said 'don't pay any attention' to the chocolate Jesus,
but he now finds it necessary to brand Imus' comments 'repugnant.'
"In other words, Catholic bashing is humorous and an exercise in
liberty. Racism is awful. Bigotry, then, is neither good nor bad-it
just depends who the target is."
What about all the young boys raped by priests and having it covered
up by the church.
And young orphan girls raped by *fucking ****** nuns.
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In the name of The Father, and of The Son,
and of the Holy Bretts. Amen.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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13 Apr 2007 07:56:27 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:10:40 GMT, The Holy Bretts
<bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 12 Apr 2007 22:28:32 -0700, "scotty" <bnbkern@adelphia.net> wrote:
What about all the young boys raped by priests and having it covered
up by the church.
And young orphan girls raped by *fucking ****** nuns.
See? You're bashing Catholicism. Or telling the truth. It's
difficult to tell them apart.
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