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Catholic bishops cross church-state line |
Catholic bishops cross church-state line
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/guests/s_422285.html
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review - Pittsburgh,PA,USA
[excerpts}
WASHINGTON
Writing in the online magazine American Chronicle ("Above the law," Jan.
27), Barbara Anderson points out the strong influence the U.S. Conference
of Catholic Bishops has had on immigration policy.
It has caused Catholic pulpits nationwide to urge open borders for legal
and illegal aliens alike, she notes. "The Catholic Campaign for Human
Development uses money from generous Catholics to train illegals to lobby
and agitate for 'rights' for illegals," says Anderson.
.... dominate the political, cultural and social dialogues, even in a nation
supposed to be guided by separation of powers, separation of church and
state, and the ...
[end of excerpts
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You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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| User: "udarrell" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic bishops cross church-state line |
11 Feb 2006 12:00:48 PM |
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wrote:
Catholic bishops cross church-state line
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/guests/s_422285.html
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review - Pittsburgh,PA,USA
[excerpts}
WASHINGTON
Writing in the online magazine American Chronicle ("Above the law," Jan.
27), Barbara Anderson points out the strong influence the U.S. Conference
of Catholic Bishops has had on immigration policy.
It has caused Catholic pulpits nationwide to urge open borders for legal
and illegal aliens alike, she notes. "The Catholic Campaign for Human
Development uses money from generous Catholics to train illegals to lobby
and agitate for 'rights' for illegals," says Anderson.
... dominate the political, cultural and social dialogues, even in a nation
supposed to be guided by separation of powers, separation of church and
state, and the ...
[end of excerpts
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
So, they can not have a political opinion on anything! "FREEDOM of
SPEECH <http://www.udarrell.com/constitutional_freedom_speech_press.html>"?
Did Jesus believe Holy Scripture should be separated from daily life and
government?
Does the constitution actually say that NO organized religion can make a
public statement on government policies?
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic bishops cross church-state line |
11 Feb 2006 06:05:27 PM |
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[cut and chopped; see original for guidance]
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:00:48 -0600, udarrell wrote:
So, they can not have a political opinion on anything! "FREEDOM of
SPEECH <http://www.udarrell.com/constitutional_freedom_speech_press.html>"?
Did Jesus believe Holy Scripture should be
separated from daily life and government?
22:16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying,
Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth,
neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.
22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute
unto Caesar, or not?
22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye
hypocrites?
22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore
unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are
God's.
Does the constitution actually say that NO organized religion can make a
public statement on government policies?
No, it does not.
In fact "organized" isn't in there at all.
An "organized religion" can say or do anything, anytime it wants to (as long
as said religion does not break secular laws) but, if it asks for "charity
status" then it obeys /those/ laws or "pays" the consequences.
There are a number of churches that do not operate as "charities" and they
pay their taxes. No one is trying to stop them, in fact, they can yell,
"George Bush is the Son of God - The Real One" and they can wander around and
do great and wonderful things as well as disgusting and nauseating things all
they want (subject to secular law - human sacrifices are a no-no).
Pay your taxes and enjoy your privileges and powers - don't pay your taxes -
be a charity - and lose that which you agreed to give up when you - your
organization - applied for charity status.
But, getting back to your question:
Did Jesus believe Holy Scripture should be
separated from daily life and government?
Jesus appeared to be more interested in His Father's
kingdom than the kingdom on Earth but see:
21:11 And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of
Galilee.
21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold
and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and
the seats of them that sold doves,
21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house
of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
And this is (or is /supposed/ to be) the "religion" of those that follow
Jesus and live a Christ-like life.
And these supposed "Christ-like" worshippers have ignored the words of Jesus:
Then saith he unto them, Render therefore
unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's;
and unto God the things that are God's.
and
And said unto them, It is written, My
house shall be called the house of
prayer; but ye have made it a den
of thieves.
And "Christians" (well, those /claiming/ to be "Christ-like") have put "IN
GOD WE TRUST" on the moneychangers' linen and inserted "under God" into
"Caesar's Pledge".
That's not "Christ-like" - that's blasphemy.
Gray Shockley
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Vicksburg, MS US
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic bishops cross church-state line |
11 Feb 2006 06:17:55 PM |
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wrote:
Catholic bishops cross church-state line
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/guests/s_42=
2285.html
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review - Pittsburgh,PA,USA
[excerpts}
WASHINGTON
Writing in the online magazine American Chronicle ("Above the law," Jan.
27), Barbara Anderson points out the strong influence the U.S. Conference
of Catholic Bishops has had on immigration policy.
The idiotic US Conference of Catholic Bishops is the
same thing the The Kennedy Foundation of The UAW.
Their one and only immigration policy is the Pope-Mobile.
Since the morons are illitrate in every human language ever
created other than Sanskrit.
It has caused Catholic pulpits nationwide to urge open borders for legal
and illegal aliens alike, she notes. "The Catholic Campaign for Human
Development uses money from generous Catholics to train illegals to lobby
and agitate for 'rights' for illegals," says Anderson.
... dominate the political, cultural and social dialogues, even in a nati=
on
supposed to be guided by separation of powers, separation of church and
state, and the ...
[end of excerpts
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS =B7 Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why =
"a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisne=
r,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic bishops cross church-state line |
12 Feb 2006 06:20:28 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:36:04 -0600, wrote
(in article <t38su1l6v4fl3mbbg2dmre4f06t4g8dp0f@4ax.com>):
Catholic bishops cross church-state line
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-
review/opinion/columnists/guests/s_422285.
html
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review - Pittsburgh,PA,USA
[excerpts}
WASHINGTON
Writing in the online magazine American Chronicle ("Above the law," Jan.
27), Barbara Anderson points out the strong influence the U.S. Conference
of Catholic Bishops has had on immigration policy.
It has caused Catholic pulpits nationwide to urge open borders for legal
and illegal aliens alike, she notes. "The Catholic Campaign for Human
Development uses money from generous Catholics to train illegals to lobby
and agitate for 'rights' for illegals," says Anderson.
... dominate the political, cultural and social dialogues, even in a nation
supposed to be guided by separation of powers, separation of church and
state, and the ...
[end of excerpts
***************************************************************
How many Roman Catholics on the Supreme Court?
1 John Roberts - we shall see.
2 Antonin Scalia - lifetime task seems to be taking the United Sates back to
the 12th Century [see "inquisition" also, "Dark Ages").
3 Clarence Thomas [Latest denomination see
<http://www.adherents.com/people/pt/Clarence_Thomas.html>
4 Anthony Kennedy
5 Samuel A Alito, Jr.
Jewish:
6 Stephen G. Breyer
7 Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Episcopalian:
8 David H Souter
9 Protestant
John Paul Stevens
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic bishops cross church-state line |
12 Feb 2006 07:10:40 PM |
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"Gray Shockley" <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C0152CEC000A4131F0284550@news.giganews.com...
How many Roman Catholics on the Supreme Court?
Agnostics: 0
--
JW
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"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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12 Feb 2006 08:48:22 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:10:40 -0600, Joseph Welch wrote
(in article <k0RHf.12138$Qj3.11752@fe04.buzzardnews.com>):
"Gray Shockley" <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C0152CEC000A4131F0284550@news.giganews.com...
How many Roman Catholics on the Supreme Court?
Agnostics: 0
The Five-Square Temple of Henrieta H God
Diversity Origies: Wed Nites & Sat Nites
None, zip, nada
Gray Shockley
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Stop Cheney Before He Kills
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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20 Feb 2006 09:46:24 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:36:04 -0600, wrote:
Catholic bishops cross church-state line
contra the Mann Act
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-
review/opinion/columnists/guests/s_422285.
html
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review - Pittsburgh,PA,USA
[excerpts}
WASHINGTON
Writing in the online magazine American Chronicle ("Above the law," Jan.
27), Barbara Anderson points out the strong influence the U.S. Conference
of Catholic Bishops has had on immigration policy.
It has caused Catholic pulpits nationwide to urge open borders for legal
and illegal aliens alike, she notes. "The Catholic Campaign for Human
Development uses money from generous Catholics to train illegals to lobby
and agitate for 'rights' for illegals," says Anderson.
... dominate the political, cultural and social dialogues, even in a nation
supposed to be guided by separation of powers, separation of church and
state, and the ...
[end of excerpts
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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