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16 Nov 2005 11:51:50 PM |
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Catholic League calls off boycott after Wal-Mart apology |
Amazing how Wal-Mart saw the light when their dollars were being threatened.
Catholics should start using their economic clout.
http://www.lasalute.net/article-print-52951.html
A Roman Catholic civil rights group called off a boycott of Wal-Mart on
Friday after the world's largest retailer apologized for an employee's
e-mail that called Christmas a mix of world religions...
A Roman Catholic civil rights group called off a boycott of Wal-Mart on
Friday after the world's largest retailer apologized for an employee's
e-mail that called Christmas a mix of world religions. "This is a sweet
victory for the Catholic League, Christians in general, and people of all
faiths," said Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious
and Civil Rights, said in a statement on the group's Web site. Wal-Mart
Stores Inc. said Thursday that a customer-service employee named Kirby had
written an inappropriate e-mail to a woman who complained that the retailer
had replaced a "Merry Christmas" greeting with "Happy Holidays...
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20 Nov 2005 08:43:43 AM |
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In article <R4Vff.758$PC2.476@trnddc03>, wrote:
On 18-Nov-2005, "Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote:
IN-clusive would IN-clude Christians, dontcha think? Obviously,
Wal-Mart was not trying to be IN-clusive, but rather PC-stupid.
H.
I'm sorry you can't be happy with a wish for a nice holiday. Must be
a miserable life you have.
Not so miserable, I daresay, as those who are offended by the
expressions of faith of their fellow human beings.
& not nearly so miserable as those who refuse to grasp that not
everyone shares those beliefs, or, even worse yet, grasp the
concept but refuse to be in the least polite about it.
• I view impolite reactions such as threats of death, threats to "smash
yo' mo fo face", on and on, from True Believers as a clue that they have a
trace of the taste of taurine feces left over in their mouths from
"religious education" (a.k.a. inculcation) during their early years --- i.
e., there's quite often a tender nerve behind the bull's-eye.
cheers, Susan
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| User: "Kate " |
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17 Nov 2005 08:34:03 PM |
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On 17 Nov 2005 17:58:54 -0800, "Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com>
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Kate wrote:
On 17 Nov 2005 14:01:53 -0800, "Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com>
wrote:
J Young wrote:
Amazing how Wal-Mart saw the light when their dollars were being threatened.
Catholics should start using their economic clout.
Yes, as I've always said, vote with your feet. Catholics (and all
Christians) seem to be finally starting to stand up to the ridiculous
sanitizing of the 'holiday' season. I'm going to raise a toast to Mr.
Donahue and the Catholic League for their hard work in reminding us to
be vigilant this CHRISTmas!
How dare Walmart try to be inclusive!!!!
You go boy!
IN-clusive would IN-clude Christians, dontcha think? Obviously,
Wal-Mart was not trying to be IN-clusive, but rather PC-stupid.
If christmas isn't a holiday - what is it?
And I wouldn't throw around that 'stupid' name if I were you.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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17 Nov 2005 04:26:16 PM |
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On 17 Nov 2005 14:01:53 -0800, "Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com>
wrote:
J Young wrote:
Amazing how Wal-Mart saw the light when their dollars were being threatened.
Catholics should start using their economic clout.
Yes, as I've always said, vote with your feet. Catholics (and all
Christians) seem to be finally starting to stand up to the ridiculous
sanitizing of the 'holiday' season. I'm going to raise a toast to Mr.
Donahue and the Catholic League for their hard work in reminding us to
be vigilant this CHRISTmas!
What "ridiculous sanitising of the holiday season"?
Last year non-Christians had to put up with a barrage of idiots
telling them that the winter solstice celebration that all cultures
including Christianity have, was "really, for everybody" a Christian
festival. When if he had existed, his birthday would not have been
then.
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17 Nov 2005 07:30:33 PM |
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On 17-Nov-2005, "Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote:
J Young wrote:
Amazing how Wal-Mart saw the light when their dollars were being
threatened.
Catholics should start using their economic clout.
Yes, as I've always said, vote with your feet. Catholics (and all
Christians) seem to be finally starting to stand up to the ridiculous
sanitizing of the 'holiday' season. I'm going to raise a toast to Mr.
Donahue and the Catholic League for their hard work in reminding us to
be vigilant this CHRISTmas!
& hopefully you will then continue with your religious
crusade to keep this OUT of the PUBLIC schools.
After all, it's blasphemous to treat your holiday as tho'
it were just another theme in the curriculum....
Susan
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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18 Nov 2005 02:01:13 AM |
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in article 1132264913.108997.11880@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, Hugh Betcha
at wrote on 11/17/05 5:01 PM:
J Young wrote:
Amazing how Wal-Mart saw the light when their dollars were being threatened.
Catholics should start using their economic clout.
Yes, as I've always said, vote with your feet. Catholics (and all
Christians) seem to be finally starting to stand up to the ridiculous
sanitizing of the 'holiday' season. I'm going to raise a toast to Mr.
Donahue and the Catholic League for their hard work in reminding us to
be vigilant this CHRISTmas!
So we can enjoy being ignored by CHRIST for all eternity...
Paul
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21 Nov 2005 11:05:41 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:51:50 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
A Roman Catholic civil rights group called off a boycott of Wal-Mart on
Friday after the world's largest retailer apologized for an employee's
e-mail that called Christmas a mix of world religions.
Sounds like Mall-Wart is saying that Christmas belongs only to the
Catholics. I think the Baptists should be informed.
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satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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22 Nov 2005 08:27:44 AM |
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In <3m95o1h7a8d58ohg3ma3rl8ihppifnhuc5@4ax.com>, satyr
<RsEaMtOyVrE@infidels.org> wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:51:50 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
A Roman Catholic civil rights group called off a boycott of Wal-Mart on
Friday after the world's largest retailer apologized for an employee's
e-mail that called Christmas a mix of world religions.
Sounds like Mall-Wart is saying that Christmas belongs only to the
Catholics. I think the Baptists should be informed.
Yeah, maybe when Baptists shop at Wal-Mart, they should get a cheery
"You're going to hell!"
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Mark K. Bilbo
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"...it may be that they may have written us off."
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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22 Nov 2005 07:28:09 PM |
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In article <MfudnfcLPI5-tx7eRVn-pg@megapath.net>, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <3m95o1h7a8d58ohg3ma3rl8ihppifnhuc5@4ax.com>, satyr
<RsEaMtOyVrE@infidels.org> wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:51:50 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
A Roman Catholic civil rights group called off a boycott of Wal-Mart on
Friday after the world's largest retailer apologized for an employee's
e-mail that called Christmas a mix of world religions.
Sounds like Mall-Wart is saying that Christmas belongs only to the
Catholics. I think the Baptists should be informed.
Yeah, maybe when Baptists shop at Wal-Mart, they should get a cheery
"You're going to hell!"
• damn right, Mark
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| User: "MarkA" |
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17 Nov 2005 08:24:00 AM |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:51:50 -0500, J Young wrote:
Amazing how Wal-Mart saw the light when their dollars were being
threatened. Catholics should start using their economic clout.
http://www.lasalute.net/article-print-52951.html
A Roman Catholic civil rights group called off a boycott of Wal-Mart on
Friday after the world's largest retailer apologized for an employee's
e-mail that called Christmas a mix of world religions...
A Roman Catholic civil rights group called off a boycott of Wal-Mart on
Friday after the world's largest retailer apologized for an employee's
e-mail that called Christmas a mix of world religions. "This is a sweet
victory for the Catholic League, Christians in general, and people of all
faiths," said Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious
and Civil Rights, said in a statement on the group's Web site. Wal-Mart
Stores Inc. said Thursday that a customer-service employee named Kirby had
written an inappropriate e-mail to a woman who complained that the
retailer had replaced a "Merry Christmas" greeting with "Happy Holidays...
From the Catholic League web site:
"Searches for Hanukkah and Kwanzaa direct customers to the Jewish and
African-American holiday sections, but searches for Christmas are directed
to the 'Holiday' section. Ergo, Wal-Mart discriminates in its
treatment of Christmas."
So, basically they are ***** that you don't get directed to a page
labeled "Christmas" when you search on "Christmas." Doesn't seem like a
big deal to me, but that's just me. I'm glad that Walmart will continue
to encourage it's employees to say "Happy Holidays", which is clearly more
inclusive than "Merry Christmas."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Hugh Betcha" |
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17 Nov 2005 04:53:42 PM |
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So, basically they are ***** that you don't get directed to a page
labeled "Christmas" when you search on "Christmas." Doesn't seem like a
big deal to me, but that's just me. I'm glad that Walmart will continue
to encourage it's employees to say "Happy Holidays", which is clearly more
inclusive than "Merry Christmas."
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MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
Point is, 'Christmas' was subtly removed and replaced with 'holiday',
while 'Kwanzaa' and 'Hanukka' remained. Why? Well, look at it this way:
Kwanzaa is an American invention dating from the late 1960's and with
all due respect, Hanukka is not the 'reason for the season' Christmas
is an almost 2000 year old traditional celebration of the birth of
Jesus, and is celebrated under that name by almost 85% of Americans.
So, for Wal-Mart to remove it, must be either bigotry or political
correctness gone stupid. Catholics have a right to express what they
don't like, and we don't have to shop at Wal-Mart if they don't like
us, either. So there. Nyah.
H.
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another mistake.'
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| User: "satyr" |
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21 Nov 2005 11:12:06 PM |
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On 17 Nov 2005 14:53:42 -0800, "Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com>
wrote:
So, basically they are ***** that you don't get directed to a page
labeled "Christmas" when you search on "Christmas." Doesn't seem like a
big deal to me, but that's just me. I'm glad that Walmart will continue
to encourage it's employees to say "Happy Holidays", which is clearly more
inclusive than "Merry Christmas."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
Point is, 'Christmas' was subtly removed and replaced with 'holiday',
while 'Kwanzaa' and 'Hanukka' remained. Why? Well, look at it this way:
Kwanzaa is an American invention dating from the late 1960's and with
all due respect, Hanukka is not the 'reason for the season'
Kwanzaa is an All American Holiday. Christmas and Hanukkah come from
the Middle East, just like the terrorists. I guess we know which is
for patriots and which are for traitors.
--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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17 Nov 2005 06:09:53 PM |
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On 17 Nov 2005 14:53:42 -0800, "Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com>
wrote:
So, basically they are ***** that you don't get directed to a page
labeled "Christmas" when you search on "Christmas." Doesn't seem like a
big deal to me, but that's just me. I'm glad that Walmart will continue
to encourage it's employees to say "Happy Holidays", which is clearly more
inclusive than "Merry Christmas."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
Point is, 'Christmas' was subtly removed and replaced with 'holiday',
while 'Kwanzaa' and 'Hanukka' remained. Why? Well, look at it this way:
Kwanzaa is an American invention dating from the late 1960's and with
all due respect, Hanukka is not the 'reason for the season' Christmas
is an almost 2000 year old traditional celebration of the birth of
Jesus, and is celebrated under that name by almost 85% of Americans.
So, for Wal-Mart to remove it, must be either bigotry or political
correctness gone stupid. Catholics have a right to express what they
don't like, and we don't have to shop at Wal-Mart if they don't like
us, either. So there. Nyah.
*****. If he existed at all he wasn't born then - think shepherds
watching flocks, newborn lambs etc.
All religions, cultures etc have a midwinter festival. Christianity
merely appropriated the Roman Saturnalia and pretended that was when
Jesus was born.
In other words EVERYBODY has a winter solstice celebration, not just
Christians.
No matter how many stupid Christians insist that their pretend friend
is the reason for the season.
It's a stupid, falsehood turned cliche.
H.
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| User: "Hugh Betcha" |
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17 Nov 2005 09:41:37 PM |
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Point is, 'Christmas' was subtly removed and replaced with 'holiday',
while 'Kwanzaa' and 'Hanukka' remained. Why? Well, look at it this way:
Kwanzaa is an American invention dating from the late 1960's and with
all due respect, Hanukka is not the 'reason for the season' Christmas
is an almost 2000 year old traditional celebration of the birth of
Jesus, and is celebrated under that name by almost 85% of Americans.
So, for Wal-Mart to remove it, must be either bigotry or political
correctness gone stupid. Catholics have a right to express what they
don't like, and we don't have to shop at Wal-Mart if they don't like
us, either. So there. Nyah.
*****. If he existed at all he wasn't born then - think shepherds
watching flocks, newborn lambs etc.
No, He wasn't born on Dec. 25th. Nobody sure of the EXACT date, but in
the ancient times the winter solstice was already a big deal with the
Pagans; and it seemed a good a time as any to commemerate His birth.
All religions, cultures etc have a midwinter festival. Christianity
merely appropriated the Roman Saturnalia and pretended that was when
Jesus was born.
Muslims don't. Neither do Buddhists. Hindus aren't in a big hoopla
either. Jews do, but it has nothing to do with the solstice. That
leaves uh... Pagans? Is Wal-Mart pandering to Pagans? Oh my goodness!
In other words EVERYBODY has a winter solstice celebration, not just
Christians.
EVERYBODY being who?
No matter how many stupid Christians insist that their pretend friend
is the reason for the season.
It's a stupid, falsehood turned cliche.
No, not a cliche, but an ancient tradition and solemn commemeration for
over a billion people worldwide; worthy of AT LEAST the same respect as
(with all due respect) Kwanzaa and secular/humanists/atheists who
appreciate a day off and the excuse to go to parties.
H.
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17 Nov 2005 09:57:10 PM |
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"Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote in message
news:1132285297.251414.199030@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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No, He wasn't born on Dec. 25th. Nobody sure of the EXACT date, but in
the ancient times the winter solstice was already a big deal with the
Pagans; and it seemed a good a time as any to commemerate His birth.
Yes, goodness knows it was much easier, and less work, to hijack an
establish holiday than to murder those who celebrated it in its original
form.
All religions, cultures etc have a midwinter festival. Christianity
merely appropriated the Roman Saturnalia and pretended that was when
Jesus was born.
Muslims don't. Neither do Buddhists. Hindus aren't in a big hoopla
either. Jews do, but it has nothing to do with the solstice. That
leaves uh... Pagans? Is Wal-Mart pandering to Pagans? Oh my goodness!
What if they were? Why would that be a problem?
In other words EVERYBODY has a winter solstice celebration, not just
Christians.
EVERYBODY being who?
Every other religion.
No matter how many stupid Christians insist that their pretend friend
is the reason for the season.
It's a stupid, falsehood turned cliche.
No, not a cliche, but an ancient tradition and solemn commemeration for
over a billion people worldwide; worthy of AT LEAST the same respect as
(with all due respect) Kwanzaa and secular/humanists/atheists who
appreciate a day off and the excuse to go to parties.
Yes, the Winter Solstice. My winter holidays never had Jesus involved and
they never will. Deal with it.
So, do you set up that Pagan tree? Decorate with the colors green and red?
Spruce up the living room with some holly and ivy? Hang up that Celtic
fertility symbol? (i.e., mistletoe) Cause if you do, you are celebrating
the Solstice - NOT Jesus.
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Resident Witchypoo
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17 Nov 2005 10:22:34 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in news:3u51oiFvs5cqU1
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Muslims don't. Neither do Buddhists. Hindus aren't in a big hoopla
either. Jews do, but it has nothing to do with the solstice. That
leaves uh... Pagans? Is Wal-Mart pandering to Pagans? Oh my goodness!
What if they were? Why would that be a problem?
They sell a lot of halloween candy and costumes. And those 'aint jeezus
costumes neither.
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
An immoral god - a hangover from stone age minds - still corrupts human
mentality with its scapegoat justice and the threat of eternal damnation.
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21 Nov 2005 11:15:00 PM |
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On 18 Nov 2005 04:22:34 GMT, Enkidu the Atheist <enkidu@leaddogs.org>
wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in news:3u51oiFvs5cqU1
@individual.net:
Muslims don't. Neither do Buddhists. Hindus aren't in a big hoopla
either. Jews do, but it has nothing to do with the solstice. That
leaves uh... Pagans? Is Wal-Mart pandering to Pagans? Oh my goodness!
What if they were? Why would that be a problem?
They sell a lot of halloween candy and costumes. And those 'aint jeezus
costumes neither.
I went as Jesus once. I dropped acid too.
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Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "Hugh Betcha" |
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18 Nov 2005 04:48:10 AM |
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No, He wasn't born on Dec. 25th. Nobody sure of the EXACT date, but in
the ancient times the winter solstice was already a big deal with the
Pagans; and it seemed a good a time as any to commemerate His birth.
Yes, goodness knows it was much easier, and less work, to hijack an
establish holiday than to murder those who celebrated it in its original
form.
Uh... well, yes, the idea was to help convert them to the true faith.
All religions, cultures etc have a midwinter festival. Christianity
merely appropriated the Roman Saturnalia and pretended that was when
Jesus was born.
Muslims don't. Neither do Buddhists. Hindus aren't in a big hoopla
either. Jews do, but it has nothing to do with the solstice. That
leaves uh... Pagans? Is Wal-Mart pandering to Pagans? Oh my goodness!
What if they were? Why would that be a problem?
Well, YOU would doubtless have a problem if they pandered to
Christians... double standard? naw- really?
In other words EVERYBODY has a winter solstice celebration, not just
Christians.
EVERYBODY being who?
Every other religion.
I've already pointed out that the world's major religions do not
celebrate the solstice. Only Christianity has a holiday that
corresponds to it.
No matter how many stupid Christians insist that their pretend friend
is the reason for the season.
It's a stupid, falsehood turned cliche.
No, not a cliche, but an ancient tradition and solemn commemeration for
over a billion people worldwide; worthy of AT LEAST the same respect as
(with all due respect) Kwanzaa and secular/humanists/atheists who
appreciate a day off and the excuse to go to parties.
Yes, the Winter Solstice. My winter holidays never had Jesus involved and
they never will. Deal with it.
Methinks that if there were no Christianty, there would be no winter
holiday. Maybe a few Pagans celebrating the solstice; but certainly not
a federal holiday.
So, do you set up that Pagan tree? Decorate with the colors green and red?
Spruce up the living room with some holly and ivy? Hang up that Celtic
fertility symbol? (i.e., mistletoe) Cause if you do, you are celebrating
the Solstice - NOT Jesus.
Yes, we like those tradtions, and we know full well where they came
from. We add to them our own uniquely Christian ones, the creche,
adevnt candles, the vigil, the mass, and arguing with non-Christians
about what it all means.
H.
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18 Nov 2005 06:25:40 AM |
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"Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote in message
news:1132310890.089479.189800@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
No, He wasn't born on Dec. 25th. Nobody sure of the EXACT date, but in
the ancient times the winter solstice was already a big deal with the
Pagans; and it seemed a good a time as any to commemerate His birth.
Yes, goodness knows it was much easier, and less work, to hijack an
establish holiday than to murder those who celebrated it in its original
form.
Uh... well, yes, the idea was to help convert them to the true faith.
All religions, cultures etc have a midwinter festival. Christianity
merely appropriated the Roman Saturnalia and pretended that was when
Jesus was born.
Muslims don't. Neither do Buddhists. Hindus aren't in a big hoopla
either. Jews do, but it has nothing to do with the solstice. That
leaves uh... Pagans? Is Wal-Mart pandering to Pagans? Oh my goodness!
What if they were? Why would that be a problem?
Well, YOU would doubtless have a problem if they pandered to
Christians... double standard? naw- really?
Um, they DO pander to christians. Almost every retailers does. Have you
forgotten already that you're in the majority? Funny how you're always
claiming persecution despite that little fact.
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Yes, the Winter Solstice. My winter holidays never had Jesus involved
and
they never will. Deal with it.
Methinks that if there were no Christianty, there would be no winter
holiday.
Methinks you're wrong.
Maybe a few Pagans celebrating the solstice; but certainly not
a federal holiday.
If christianity wasn't around and Pagans were the majority, why do you think
they wouldn't have made the Solstice a federal holiday?
So, do you set up that Pagan tree? Decorate with the colors green and
red?
Spruce up the living room with some holly and ivy? Hang up that Celtic
fertility symbol? (i.e., mistletoe) Cause if you do, you are celebrating
the Solstice - NOT Jesus.
Yes, we like those tradtions, and we know full well where they came
from.
LOL! A lot of you don't. Believe me, I know.
We add to them our own uniquely Christian ones, the creche,
adevnt candles, the vigil, the mass, and arguing with non-Christians
about what it all means.
Yes, it's a celebration of the Winter Solstice. Jesus, if he ever actually
lived, was born in the spring.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Hugh Betcha" |
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18 Nov 2005 11:57:24 AM |
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<snip>
Muslims don't. Neither do Buddhists. Hindus aren't in a big hoopla
either. Jews do, but it has nothing to do with the solstice. That
leaves uh... Pagans? Is Wal-Mart pandering to Pagans? Oh my goodness!
What if they were? Why would that be a problem?
Well, YOU would doubtless have a problem if they pandered to
Christians... double standard? naw- really?
Um, they DO pander to christians. Almost every retailers does. Have you
forgotten already that you're in the majority? Funny how you're always
claiming persecution despite that little fact.
A majority? Gee, that makes Wal-Mart's original actions in this matter
look all the more ridiculous (or the actions of a few motivated by
bigotry and PC-stupidity)
snip
Yes, the Winter Solstice. My winter holidays never had Jesus involved
and
they never will. Deal with it.
Methinks that if there were no Christianty, there would be no winter
holiday.
Methinks you're wrong.
What? An enlightened scientific secular/humanist/atheist society would
certainly not bother with ancient spiritual mumbo jumbo over what
amounts to simply the changing orientation of the Earth's tilted
rotation axes with respect to the sun, would it?
Maybe a few Pagans celebrating the solstice; but certainly not
a federal holiday.
If christianity wasn't around and Pagans were the majority, why do you think
they wouldn't have made the Solstice a federal holiday?
If the Pagans were a majority, we'd still be enjoying the benefits of
the dark ages.
So, do you set up that Pagan tree? Decorate with the colors green and
red?
Spruce up the living room with some holly and ivy? Hang up that Celtic
fertility symbol? (i.e., mistletoe) Cause if you do, you are celebrating
the Solstice - NOT Jesus.
Yes, we like those tradtions, and we know full well where they came
from.
LOL! A lot of you don't. Believe me, I know.
Well, yes, that's true. A lot of Christians would benefit from a little
education about the history of their own faith. (Y'know, that's a good
point- I mean, the Fundies get all in a tizzy over Catholics with our
statues and Rosaries, but then they go and plaster Pagan symbology all
over their houses at Christmas time... interesting.)
We add to them our own uniquely Christian ones, the creche,
adevnt candles, the vigil, the mass, and arguing with non-Christians
about what it all means.
Yes, it's a celebration of the Winter Solstice. Jesus, if he ever actually
lived, was born in the spring.
Early Christians were not concerned with birthdays (being a
self-centred occasion and all) But, by closely looking at the
Scriptures and other early sources and traditions, it can be postulated
that Jesus was born during the High Holy Days, probably closest to
Succot, which in 33 A.D. was in the early Autumn.
H.
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"Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus."
-Francis Church
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18 Nov 2005 12:08:50 PM |
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"Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
Muslims don't. Neither do Buddhists. Hindus aren't in a big hoopla
either. Jews do, but it has nothing to do with the solstice. That
leaves uh... Pagans? Is Wal-Mart pandering to Pagans? Oh my
goodness!
What if they were? Why would that be a problem?
Well, YOU would doubtless have a problem if they pandered to
Christians... double standard? naw- really?
Um, they DO pander to christians. Almost every retailers does. Have you
forgotten already that you're in the majority? Funny how you're always
claiming persecution despite that little fact.
A majority? Gee, that makes Wal-Mart's original actions in this matter
look all the more ridiculous (or the actions of a few motivated by
bigotry and PC-stupidity)
Not at all. However, it makes your whining about it all the more
ridiculous - as well as pathetic.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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18 Nov 2005 04:00:15 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote in message
news:1132336644.015999.111300@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
Muslims don't. Neither do Buddhists. Hindus aren't in a big hoopla
either. Jews do, but it has nothing to do with the solstice. That
leaves uh... Pagans? Is Wal-Mart pandering to Pagans? Oh my
goodness!
What if they were? Why would that be a problem?
Well, YOU would doubtless have a problem if they pandered to
Christians... double standard? naw- really?
Um, they DO pander to christians. Almost every retailers does. Have you
forgotten already that you're in the majority? Funny how you're always
claiming persecution despite that little fact.
A majority? Gee, that makes Wal-Mart's original actions in this matter
look all the more ridiculous (or the actions of a few motivated by
bigotry and PC-stupidity)
Not at all. However, it makes your whining about it all the more
ridiculous - as well as pathetic.
Susan (and you) is completely 100% correct about them :)
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| User: "" |
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18 Nov 2005 12:51:05 PM |
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On 18-Nov-2005, "Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote:
If christianity wasn't around and Pagans were the majority, why do you
think
they wouldn't have made the Solstice a federal holiday?
If the Pagans were a majority, we'd still be enjoying the benefits of
the dark ages.
ROTFLMHO!!
The "Dark Ages" were PRECIPATED by Xianity!!
This one's a keeper....!
Susan
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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18 Nov 2005 04:00:51 PM |
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wrote:
On 18-Nov-2005, "Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote:
If christianity wasn't around and Pagans were the majority, why do you
think
they wouldn't have made the Solstice a federal holiday?
If the Pagans were a majority, we'd still be enjoying the benefits of
the dark ages.
ROTFLMHO!!
The "Dark Ages" were PRECIPATED by Xianity!!
This one's a keeper....!
Susan
It most certainly is! :)
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| User: "Hugh Betcha" |
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18 Nov 2005 06:04:14 PM |
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wrote:
On 18-Nov-2005, "Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote:
If christianity wasn't around and Pagans were the majority, why do you
think
they wouldn't have made the Solstice a federal holiday?
If the Pagans were a majority, we'd still be enjoying the benefits of
the dark ages.
ROTFLMHO!!
The "Dark Ages" were PRECIPATED by Xianity!!
Hardly. Rome's fall was a long time coming... corruption, social decay,
economic collapse; if you want to blame the Christians, blame the
Christian Emperors for lacking the cold murderous determination of a
Caesar that may have delayed the inevitable. Try Gibbon's " The History
Of The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire" fascinating.
It was Christianity's society building, rigid adherence to morality and
social justice that pulled mankind out of the dark ages. Paganism, a
self-centred worship of mythological beings and nature forces would
hardly of been in a postion to do that.
H.
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"Anarchy is the sure consequence of tyranny"
-Milton
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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18 Nov 2005 10:08:24 PM |
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Hugh Betcha wrote:
flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
On 18-Nov-2005, "Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote:
If christianity wasn't around and Pagans were the majority, why do you
think
they wouldn't have made the Solstice a federal holiday?
If the Pagans were a majority, we'd still be enjoying the benefits of
the dark ages.
ROTFLMHO!!
The "Dark Ages" were PRECIPATED by Xianity!!
Hardly. Rome's fall was a long time coming... corruption, social decay,
economic collapse; if you want to blame the Christians, blame the
Christian Emperors for lacking the cold murderous determination of a
Caesar that may have delayed the inevitable. Try Gibbon's " The History
Of The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire" fascinating.
It was Christianity's society building, rigid adherence to morality and
social justice that pulled mankind out of the dark ages. Paganism, a
self-centred worship of mythological beings and nature forces would
hardly of been in a postion to do that.
Thank you for demonstrating that European history is not your strong
suit (if you have a strong suit at all)
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19 Nov 2005 01:21:05 AM |
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in article 1132358654.752649.319950@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, Hugh
Betcha at wrote on 11/18/05 7:04 PM:
flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
On 18-Nov-2005, "Hugh Betcha" < > wrote:
If christianity wasn't around and Pagans were the majority, why do you
think
they wouldn't have made the Solstice a federal holiday?
If the Pagans were a majority, we'd still be enjoying the benefits of
the dark ages.
ROTFLMHO!!
The "Dark Ages" were PRECIPATED by Xianity!!
Hardly. Rome's fall was a long time coming... corruption, social decay,
economic collapse; if you want to blame the Christians, blame the
Christian Emperors for lacking the cold murderous determination of a
Caesar that may have delayed the inevitable. Try Gibbon's " The History
Of The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire" fascinating.
It was Christianity's society building, rigid adherence to morality and
social justice that pulled mankind out of the dark ages.
Then extracted its pound of flesh in return...
Paul
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| User: "" |
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18 Nov 2005 08:19:12 AM |
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On 18-Nov-2005, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote in message
news:1132310890.089479.189800@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Well, YOU would doubtless have a problem if they pandered to
Christians... double standard? naw- really?
Um, they DO pander to christians. Almost every retailers does. Have you
forgotten already that you're in the majority? Funny how you're always
claiming persecution despite that little fact.
This is something I've noticed with majorities.
They never even REALIZE just how many privileges they have until they are
dropped or taken away. Then they all start screaming "persecution!!"
Susan
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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18 Nov 2005 09:56:49 AM |
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<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:Aplff.2$9P5.1@trnddc09...
On 18-Nov-2005, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote in message
news:1132310890.089479.189800@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Well, YOU would doubtless have a problem if they pandered to
Christians... double standard? naw- really?
Um, they DO pander to christians. Almost every retailers does. Have you
forgotten already that you're in the majority? Funny how you're always
claiming persecution despite that little fact.
This is something I've noticed with majorities.
They never even REALIZE just how many privileges they have until they are
dropped or taken away. Then they all start screaming "persecution!!"
Bah, humbug! ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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18 Nov 2005 11:32:56 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote in message
news:1132285297.251414.199030@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
snip
No, He wasn't born on Dec. 25th. Nobody sure of the EXACT date, but in
the ancient times the winter solstice was already a big deal with the
Pagans; and it seemed a good a time as any to commemerate His birth.
Yes, goodness knows it was much easier, and less work, to hijack an
establish holiday than to murder those who celebrated it in its original
form.
All religions, cultures etc have a midwinter festival. Christianity
merely appropriated the Roman Saturnalia and pretended that was when
Jesus was born.
Muslims don't. Neither do Buddhists. Hindus aren't in a big hoopla
either. Jews do, but it has nothing to do with the solstice. That
leaves uh... Pagans? Is Wal-Mart pandering to Pagans? Oh my goodness!
What if they were? Why would that be a problem?
It wouldn't be for you. The only thing you'd like more would be for
them to pander to Muslims.
In other words EVERYBODY has a winter solstice celebration, not just
Christians.
EVERYBODY being who?
Every other religion.
Just because you're angry over being wrong doesn't mean you need to
lie. The fraction of a percent of the population that don't celebrate
Christmas as a religious or secular holiday will have to deal with the
horrors of hearing "Merry Christmas" everywhere they go.
No matter how many stupid Christians insist that their pretend friend
is the reason for the season.
It's a stupid, falsehood turned cliche.
No, not a cliche, but an ancient tradition and solemn commemeration for
over a billion people worldwide; worthy of AT LEAST the same respect as
(with all due respect) Kwanzaa and secular/humanists/atheists who
appreciate a day off and the excuse to go to parties.
Yes, the Winter Solstice. My winter holidays never had Jesus involved and
they never will. Deal with it.
Yes, I'm guessing the only religious practice you participate in
involves bowing towards Mecca five times every day.
So, do you set up that Pagan tree? Decorate with the colors green and red?
Spruce up the living room with some holly and ivy? Hang up that Celtic
fertility symbol? (i.e., mistletoe) Cause if you do, you are celebrating
the Solstice - NOT Jesus.
Or the secular holiday that Christmas has become. Try not to cry.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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18 Nov 2005 11:43:09 AM |
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<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1132335176.597108.218690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote in message
news:1132285297.251414.199030@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
snip
No, He wasn't born on Dec. 25th. Nobody sure of the EXACT date, but in
the ancient times the winter solstice was already a big deal with the
Pagans; and it seemed a good a time as any to commemerate His birth.
Yes, goodness knows it was much easier, and less work, to hijack an
establish holiday than to murder those who celebrated it in its original
form.
All religions, cultures etc have a midwinter festival. Christianity
merely appropriated the Roman Saturnalia and pretended that was when
Jesus was born.
Muslims don't. Neither do Buddhists. Hindus aren't in a big hoopla
either. Jews do, but it has nothing to do with the solstice. That
leaves uh... Pagans? Is Wal-Mart pandering to Pagans? Oh my goodness!
What if they were? Why would that be a problem?
It wouldn't be for you. The only thing you'd like more would be for
them to pander to Muslims.
Yeah, right liar. Don't speak for me, thanks.
In other words EVERYBODY has a winter solstice celebration, not just
Christians.
EVERYBODY being who?
Every other religion.
Just because you're angry over being wrong doesn't mean you need to
lie. The fraction of a percent of the population that don't celebrate
Christmas as a religious or secular holiday will have to deal with the
horrors of hearing "Merry Christmas" everywhere they go.
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were another garden-variety lying
*****. My bad for replying to your *****. B'bye.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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