Religions > Atheism > Catholic League tells teachers to violate atheist students' rights
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"Brian Westley" |
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17 Sep 2005 02:39:48 AM |
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Catholic League tells teachers to violate atheist students' rights |
What self-righteous bastards:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/175/story_17501_1.html
After Latest Pledge Ruling, Catholic Group Calls for Civil Disobedience
By Adelle M. Banks and Rich Preheim
Religion News Service
A conservative Catholic watchdog group is urging California teachers to
disobey an anticipated ban on public school recitation of the Pledge of
Allegiance.
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"The time has come for patriotic teachers in those schools to practice
civil disobedience," said William Donohue, president of the New
York-based Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.
"They need to lead their students in the pledge, bellowing the dreaded
words `under God."'
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Merlyn LeRoy
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17 Sep 2005 03:39:12 AM |
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote
What self-righteous bastards:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/175/story_17501_1.html
The story specifically mentions "William Donohue," a nasty
little psycho who is laboring to destroy the Catholic church
in America.
I don't know if it'll make you feel any better, but I can't see
any way in which he'd fail to reach his goal.
Donohue was "Vocal," to say the least, in his quest to see
the Vatican excommunicate John Kerry & other Catholic
politicians for representing the voters instead of the Vatican
in congress.
If you can't understand just how dangerous such a stance is
to Catholics, find anyone who was alive back in 1960 and
ask them the kind of things that the religious bigots were
saying about JFK and the Pope.
To save a little time: JFK would be taking his orders from
the Pope. The United States would become a vassal state.
Now you might argue that, as things turned out, such appeals
to anti-Catholic bigotry were not effective against JFK. But,
you'd also have to admit that the smears were pretty obviously
false to EVERYONE, with the exception of severe anti-Catholic
bigots. This would not have been the case if William Donohue
had gotten his way in 2004.
IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A SMEAR!
It would have been the truth. If William Donohue of the
Catholic league had gotten his way, instead of the
fabricated smears of bigots it would have been an undeniable
fact. Every Catholic in a position of authority would be
forced to represent the Pope's views on issues, or suffer
excommunication. It would instantly become Un-American
to vote for any Catholic, anywhere, because not a one
would be allowed to represent their own views (or the
views of the voters), but are required to represent the
Pope.
It gets worse.
From a Catholic standpoint, it was a lose-lose position. You
see, even by failing William Donohue was helping to keep
John Kerry's religion in the headlines, and helping Bush to
tap into anti-Catholic sentiments.
Catholics are *Hated* by the religious Reich. The fundies
detest Catholics. Always have. But Bush, coward that he is,
couldn't campaign on an appeal to religious bigotry himself.
He needed to get someone else to do it for him, while he
stood in the background and pretended that he was above it
all. Originally he (Bush) went straight to the Vatican, asking
the Pope as a religious leader & foreign head of state to
involve himself in the U.S. election. That was in June of
2004.
Treason? Yeah. But we're talking about Bush. Treason is
the least of his crimes.
Anyhow, the Pope wouldn't bite so Bush recruited William
Donohue, a man who is as evil as he his brainless. Unable
to see that he is a pawn for the Bush campaign, too stupid
to grasp just how threatening his efforts are to the Church
he pretends to serve, William Donohue gladly joined the
fundies in a campaign to keep John Kerry's religion in the
headlines, and to eventually win foreign meddling in U.S.
internal politics.
William Donohue will eventually win. He will eventually
get his way and the Catholic church in America will be
critically wounded as a result of it. The only thing that can
stop people like William Donohue are Catholics, and they
have yet to decide that they want to stop him.
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| User: "bam" |
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17 Sep 2005 08:46:56 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vfudncs7EINbTrbeRVn-uw@comcast.com...
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote
What self-righteous bastards:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/175/story_17501_1.html
The story specifically mentions "William Donohue," a nasty
little psycho who is laboring to destroy the Catholic church
in America.
So Donohue's a bad guy because he's pro Bush? Is that all there is to it? Or
because he's not a liberal Catholic?
BAM
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| User: "JTEM" |
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17 Sep 2005 10:53:31 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote
So Donohue's a bad guy because he's pro Bush? Is that
all there is to it? Or because he's not a liberal Catholic?
As I explained -- even going so far as to employ historical
examples (thanks for being too stupid to notice) -- Donohue
is a huge threat to the church he pretends to serve.
This means that either he's an idiot and doesn't see the very
real harm, or he is dishonest and actually intends to destroy
the church he pretends to serve.
Idiot.
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| User: "bam" |
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18 Sep 2005 05:56:38 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:U5ednXZDnpHSf7HeRVn-1w@comcast.com...
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote
So Donohue's a bad guy because he's pro Bush? Is that
all there is to it? Or because he's not a liberal Catholic?
As I explained -- even going so far as to employ historical
examples (thanks for being too stupid to notice) -- Donohue
is a huge threat to the church he pretends to serve.
This means that either he's an idiot and doesn't see the very
real harm, or he is dishonest and actually intends to destroy
the church he pretends to serve.
Thank you for the erudite and instructive response.
BAM
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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18 Sep 2005 08:57:32 AM |
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in article r5VWe.863$Ew4.481@bignews5.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 9/17/05 9:46 AM:
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vfudncs7EINbTrbeRVn-uw@comcast.com...
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote
What self-righteous bastards:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/175/story_17501_1.html
The story specifically mentions "William Donohue," a nasty
little psycho who is laboring to destroy the Catholic church
in America.
So Donohue's a bad guy because he's pro Bush? Is that all there is to it? Or
because he's not a liberal Catholic?
Will Bam be surprised when Donohue doesn't spend eternity as his
drinking buddy, no matter how much he supports him?
Paul
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| User: "Del" |
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18 Sep 2005 02:59:07 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote
What self-righteous bastards:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/175/story_17501_1.html
The story specifically mentions "William Donohue," a nasty
little psycho who is laboring to destroy the Catholic church
in America.
I don't know if it'll make you feel any better, but I can't see
any way in which he'd fail to reach his goal.
Donohue was "Vocal," to say the least, in his quest to see
the Vatican excommunicate John Kerry & other Catholic
politicians for representing the voters instead of the Vatican
in congress.
If you can't understand just how dangerous such a stance is
to Catholics, find anyone who was alive back in 1960 and
ask them the kind of thing s that the religious bigots were
saying about JFK and the Pope.
To save a little time: JFK would be taking his orders from
the Pope. The United States would become a vassal state.
Now you might argue that, as things turned out, such appeals
to anti-Catholic bigotry were not effective against JFK. But,
you'd also have to admit that the smears were pretty obviously
false to EVERYONE, with the exception of severe anti-Catholic
bigots. This would not have been the case if William Donohu e
had gotten his way in 2004.
IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A SMEAR!
It would have been the truth. If William Donohue of the
Catholic league had gotten his way, instead of the
fabricated smears of bigots it would have been an undeniable
fact. Every Catholic in a position of authority would be
forced to represent the Pope's views on issues, or suffer
excommunication. It would instantly become Un-American
to vote for any Catholic, anywhere, because not a one
would be allowed to represent their own views (or the
views of the voters), but are required to represent the
Pope.
It gets worse.
From a Catholic standpoint, it was a lose-lose position. You
see, even by failing William Donohue was helping to keep
John Kerry's relig ion in the headlines, and helping Bush to
tap into anti-Catholic sentiments.
Catholics are *Hated* by the religious Reich. The fundies
detest Catholics. Always have. But Bush, coward that he is,
couldn't campaign on an appeal to religious bigotry himself.
There is much you say that has merit in my opinion. But I would
quibble with this. In my experience politics trumps religion. By
this I mean that a right wing Christian will get on with a right
wing atheist (or catholic) whereas he would not get on with a left
wing _Christian_. It is true, I believe, that many hard core fundies
don't believe that Catholics are Christians, but then neither are
Jews and they can get along with them. So I think that politics,
or right wing politics, is more unifying than religious differences
are devisive. At least at this particular time.
He needed to get someone else to do it for him, while he
stood in the background and pretended that he was above it
all. Originally he (Bush) went straight to the Vatican, asking
the Pope as a religious leader & foreign head of state to
involve himself in the U.S. election. That was in June of
2004.
Treason? Yeah. But we're talking about Bush. Treason is
the least of his crimes.
Anyhow, the Pope wouldn't bite so Bush recruited William
Donohue, a man who is as evil as he his brainless. Unable
to see that he is a pawn for the Bush campaign, too stupid
to grasp just how threatening his efforts are to the Church
he pretends to serve, William Donohue gladly joined the
fundies in a campaign to keep John Kerry's religion in the
headlines, and to eventually win foreign meddling in U.S.
internal politics.
William Donohue will eventually win. He will eventually
get his way and the Catholic church in America will be
critically wounded as a result of it. The only thing that can
stop people like William Donohue are Catholics, and they
have yet to decide that they want to stop him.
Cheers.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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18 Sep 2005 02:41:09 PM |
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"Del" <jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote
There is much you say that has merit in my opinion. But
I would quibble with this. In my experience politics
trumps religion.
I'd say that it's pretty clear that social status/concerns
easily outweigh religious status/concerns.
Many times I've even taken it further, identifying the
Christian Reich & the fundies as a SOCIAL movement,
not a religious one.
But I do disagree that politics -- in any generic sense --
would trump religion. If anything, I'd say that politics
is a religion.
By this I mean that a right wing Christian will get on
with a right wing atheist (or catholic) whereas he
would not get on with a left wing _Christian_.
That's simply an allience of convenience.
It's sort of like how the British were hostile towards the
Soviet Union for years, only to form an allience with
them against the NAZIs as first opportunity.
It is true, I believe, that many hard core fundies
don't believe that Catholics are Christians, but then neither are
Jews and they can get along with them.
Hardcore fundies believe that some 140,000 Jews or so
(forget the exact number) will be going to Heaven, despite
being Jewish. No Catholic or Mormon, on the other hand,
will get anywhere other than Hell.
The fundies are willing to work with anyone who will help
them achieve a particular goal. Period.
So I think that politics, or right wing politics, is more
unifying than religious differences are devisive. At least
at this particular time.
If by "Unifying" you mean that everyone in America is
allowed to be a fundy, you are correct.
It's funny though, of all the news coverage I saw on, say,
the "Ten Commandments" imaginary issue, not a single
one ever mentioned the fact that it was the Protestant-only
version of the "Ten Commandments" that they wanted to
be posted in public. Not one report I saw -- on CNN or
any other network -- mentioned the fact that the Jewsish
and Catholic "Ten Commandments" are different.
Why do you think that is?
In all the coverage of "Creationism" (i.e. "Intelligent
Design"), not one report mentioned the fact that it is
only fundamentalist Protestants who take the view that
the bible must be interpreted literally. The Catholic
church & all non-fundamentalist Protestant churches
don't have any issues with teaching science in a science
classroom.
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| User: "Del" |
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19 Sep 2005 02:45:14 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Del" <jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote
There is much you say that has merit in my opinion. But
I would quibble with this. In my experience politics
trumps religion.
I'd say that it's pretty clear that social status/concerns
easily outweigh religious status/concerns.
Many times I've even taken it further, identifying the
Christian Reich & the fundies as a SOCIAL movement,
not a religious one.
But I do disagree that politics -- in any generic sense --
would trump religion.
Case in point was the Moral Majority, founded by
Jerry Falwell. In 1982 he was embarrassed by a
question of what kind of prayer did they use to open
their meetings:
"Falwell is quoted as telling a meeting of the Religious
Newswriters Association in New Orleans that because
members of the Moral Majority represent a variety of
denominations, 'if we ever opened a meeting with a
prayer, silent or otherwise, we would disintegrate.'"
The article went on:
"Cal Thomas, director of communications for Moral
Majority, said his group did not open meetings with
prayer because it is a political organization that includes
Jews, Catholics, Mormons, Protestants, and some
'non-religious' members.
"'What kind of prayer would we use?' he asked." -- San
Francisco Chronicle, 9-19-82
I think this is fairly common. More common than
for people of all different political beliefs getting together
for a religious agenda.
If anything, I'd say that politics
is a religion.
Some politics could be held that way. But I think
it would be easier to make a religion political than
to make politics a religion. I think that politics is
basically about who gets what, which, on the scale
of things, is more basic than religion. It determines
if you can even profess a religion.
By this I mean that a right wing Christian will get on
with a right wing atheist (or catholic) whereas he
would not get on with a left wing _Christian_.
That's simply an allience of convenience.
I think it is that and more.
It's sort of like how the British were hostile towards the
Soviet Union for years, only to form an allience with
them against the NAZIs as first opportunity.
It is probably fair to say that it was Hitler who made
Stalin a defacto ally of Britain: when he attacked the
USSR in June 1941. It was an alliance of necessity
and survival, more than convenience, I think. England had
stood alone against Nazi Germany for just over a year
by that time.
But anyway, this is not that big of a deal. A quibble,
like I said. I just think that as a rough rule of thumb,
"Politics uber Religion" can have predictive power
in some situations.
It is true, I believe, that many hard core fundies
don't believe that Catholics are Christians, but then neither are
Jews and they can get along with them.
Hardcore fundies believe that some 140,000 Jews or so
(forget the exact number)
144,000 I believe.
will be going to Heaven, despite
being Jewish. No Catholic or Mormon, on the other hand,
will get anywhere other than Hell.
But they don't hold it against them *if* they align politically.
Or so it seems. Reagan was a nominal church goer. He believed
in God (but he wasn't "religious" about it). Contrast with Carter.
And yet the Moral Majority sided with Reagan over Carter,
because of their respective politics. I don't know to what extent
this holds true, but it seems to hold, regards right wing politics.
The fundies are willing to work with anyone who will help
them achieve a particular goal. Period.
Maybe. It seems to me you don't often see a political alliance
to serve a religious end. Whereas you seem to see religious
alliances to serve political ends more frequently. Or maybe
not.
So I think that politics, or right wing politics, is more
unifying than religious differences are devisive. At least
at this particular time.
If by "Unifying" you mean that everyone in America is
allowed to be a fundy, you are correct.
It was just another way of saying Politics uber alles
It's funny though, of all the news coverage I saw on, say,
the "Ten Commandments" imaginary issue, not a single
one ever mentioned the fact that it was the Protestant-only
version of the "Ten Commandments" that they wanted to
be posted in public. Not one report I saw -- on CNN or
any other network -- mentioned th e fact that the Jewsish
and Catholic "Ten Commandments" are different.
Why do you think that is?
I'm not sure but I'd guess because the Catholic top 10
cover exactly the same things (Catholics combine #1 &
#2 and split #10) Because of this, bringing it up might
provoke charges of Catholic (or Protestant) bashing. I didn't
know the Jewish and Protestant top ten differed.
In all the coverage of "Creationism" (i.e. "Intelligent
Design"), not one report mentioned the fact that it is
only fundamentalist Protestants who take the view that
the bible must be interpreted literally.
But all Christians are creationists who believe in some
form of creationism, roughly divided between young
earth and old earth creationism. Maybe that is the
distinction that should be pointed out?
I've also seen knowledgeable fundies deny they take
everything in the Bible literally. They will pull a
clearly metaphorical passage out and say "it is
ludicrous to claim that fundamentalists believe
this literally happens." When it comes to
determining what is to be taken literally and what
isn't, _they_ control the horizional, _they_ control
the vertical.
The Catholic
church & all non-fundamentalist Protestant churches
don't have any issues with teaching science in a science
classroom.
There are individual Catholics and non-fundamentalist
Protestants who do have issues with evolution, thanks
to a 24/7/365 disinformation campaign in this country.
How many there are I don't know. But I've seen them
and I figure there are more than a hand full.
Cheersh
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21 Sep 2005 03:47:13 AM |
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"Del" <jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote
Some politics could be held that way. But I think
it would be easier to make a religion political than
to make politics a religion.
I look at America right now and can't understand how
anyone could conclude that politics isn't a religion.
I'm reading this thread in alt.atheism, where several
posters have yet to admit that there were no WMDs
in Iraq... even in response to direct challenges.
I think that politics is basically about who gets
what, which, on the scale of things, is more basic
than religion.
I can't look at America today and come to that
conclusion. I just can't. The evidence to the
contrary is overwhelming.
It's funny though, of all the news coverage I saw on, say,
the "Ten Commandments" imaginary issue, not a single
one ever mentioned the fact that it was the Protestant-only
version of the "Ten Commandments" that they wanted to
be posted in public. Not one report I saw -- on CNN or
any other network -- mentioned th e fact that the Jewsish
and Catholic "Ten Commandments" are different.
Why do you think that is?
I'm not sure but I'd guess because the Catholic top 10
cover exactly the same things
They don't.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/whichcom.htm
Not even the Catholics could stomach the
hypocracy in keeping the "graven images" schtick.
Technically, as things presently stand, every fundy with
one of those Jesus fish thingies on their car believes they
are going to Hell.
That, or they never bothered to find out what exactly a
"graven image" is.
In all the coverage of "Creationism" (i.e. "Intelligent
Design"), not one report mentioned the fact that it is
only fundamentalist Protestants who take the view that
the bible must be interpreted literally.
But all Christians are creationists who believe in some
form of creationism,
Nope. Not in the context of evolution-v-creationism ("Intelligent
Design").
roughly divided between young earth and old earth creationism.
Maybe that is the distinction that should be pointed out?
Well, it's more like "Literal verses Figurative." Or, as I like to
say it, "Hyprocritical verses less Hypocritical."
Even the biblical literalists, the fundies, can't help but cherry
pick which parts of the bible they claim must be taken literal.
Take Leviticus, for example. It's the one book in the bible, as
it appears in all popular translations, which expressly prohibits
a specific sexual act between men.
The rest of Leviticus is ignored. Well, not so much ignored
as denounced as Jewish cultural law to be ignored by latter
day enlightened Christians.
<fundy>
Eating pork & shellfish? No problem! So what if Leviticus
says it's against God's law. I mean, who cares really? It's
not REALLY God's law. It doesn't count.
What? Leviticus forbids a sex act between two men? Well,
as the literal word of God which must be obeyed at all
cost, we have no choice but to extrapolate this one sex act
into a condemnation of homosexuality in general, and use
this as a rationalization for declaring war on our gay children
or neighbors!
</fundy>
This *IS* the position of the fundamentalists Christians.
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| User: "Del" |
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18 Sep 2005 03:04:05 AM |
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Brian Westley wrote:
What self-righteous bastards:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/175/story_17501_1.html
After Latest Pledge Ruling, Catholic Group Calls for Civil Disobedience
By Adelle M. Banks and Rich Preheim
Religion News Service
A conservative Catholic watchdog group is urging California teachers to
disobey an anticipated ban on public school recitation of the Pledge of
Allegiance.
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"The time has come for patriotic teachers in those schools to practice
civil dis obedience," said William Donohue, president of the New
York-based Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.
Traitorous communist agitators, pure and simple. Case closed.
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| User: "Vivapadrepios personal Cthulhu" |
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17 Sep 2005 02:51:47 AM |
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Cometh the hour, cometh Brian Westley <westley@visi.com>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:
Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.
What a mangled and oxymoronic concept.
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"The real dichotomy in today's world is between reason and religion.
The future of civilisation rests upon how many people realise that and do something about it."
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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17 Sep 2005 01:03:11 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Vivapadrepio's personal
Cthulhu (cthulhu@soulstogo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Cometh the hour, cometh Brian Westley <westley@visi.com>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:
Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.
What a mangled and oxymoronic concept.
Yes. So opressed are they....
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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17 Sep 2005 10:37:21 AM |
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In article <11ini242rn3tkc7@corp.supernews.com>, Brian Westley
said...
What self-righteous bastards:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/175/story_17501_1.html
After Latest Pledge Ruling, Catholic Group Calls for Civil Disobedience
Leave it to the Catholic League to confound civil disobedience
and compulsory compliance!
The children taught by these would-be insurgents have no choice
in participating in this act of rebellion, so the protest
instantly forfeits all legitimacy as an act of civil
disobedience.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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17 Sep 2005 06:36:28 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:39:48 -0000, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com>
wrote:
What self-righteous bastards:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/175/story_17501_1.html
After Latest Pledge Ruling, Catholic Group Calls for Civil Disobedience
By Adelle M. Banks and Rich Preheim
Religion News Service
A conservative Catholic watchdog group is urging California teachers to
disobey an anticipated ban on public school recitation of the Pledge of
Allegiance.
...
"The time has come for patriotic teachers in those schools to practice
civil disobedience," said William Donohue, president of the New
York-based Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.
"They need to lead their students in the pledge, bellowing the dreaded
words `under God."'
Then they will have no complaint when they are told where to shove
their delusion, and can not punish the childfor saying that.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Del" |
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18 Sep 2005 03:05:50 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:39:48 -0000, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com>
wrote:
What self-righteous bastards:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/175/story_17501_1.html
After Latest Pledge Ruling, Catholic Group C alls for Civil Disobedience
By Adelle M. Banks and Rich Preheim
Religion News Service
A conservative Catholic watchdog group is urging California teachers to
disobey an anticipated ban on public school recitation of the Pledge of
Al legiance.
...
"The time has come for patriotic teachers in those schools to practice
civil disobedience," said William Donohue, president of the New
York-based Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.
"They need to lead their stu dents in the pledge, bellowing the dreaded
words `under God."'
Then they will have no complaint when they are told where to shove
their delusion, and can not punish the childfor saying that.
Don't be coy, Lee. To what delusion are you referring?
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| Title: Re: Catholic League tells teachers to violate atheist students' rights |
20 Sep 2005 12:55:41 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:36:28 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:39:48 -0000, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com>
wrote:
What self-righteous bastards:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/175/story_17501_1.html
After Latest Pledge Ruling, Catholic Group Calls for Civil Disobedience
By Adelle M. Banks and Rich Preheim
Religion News Service
A conservative Catholic watchdog group is urging California teachers to
disobey an anticipated ban on public school recitation of the Pledge of
Allegiance.
...
"The time has come for patriotic teachers in those schools to practice
civil disobedience," said William Donohue, president of the New
York-based Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.
"They need to lead their students in the pledge, bellowing the dreaded
words `under God."'
Then they will have no complaint when they are told where to shove
their delusion, and can not punish the childfor saying that.
They'll still complain and still punish the child.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic League tells teachers to violate atheist students' rights |
20 Sep 2005 01:11:39 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:55:41 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:36:28 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:39:48 -0000, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com>
wrote:
What self-righteous bastards:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/175/story_17501_1.html
After Latest Pledge Ruling, Catholic Group Calls for Civil Disobedience
By Adelle M. Banks and Rich Preheim
Religion News Service
A conservative Catholic watchdog group is urging California teachers to
disobey an anticipated ban on public school recitation of the Pledge of
Allegiance.
...
"The time has come for patriotic teachers in those schools to practice
civil disobedience," said William Donohue, president of the New
York-based Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.
"They need to lead their students in the pledge, bellowing the dreaded
words `under God."'
Then they will have no complaint when they are told where to shove
their delusion, and can not punish the childfor saying that.
They'll still complain and still punish the child.
And when the child refuses?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic League tells teachers to violate atheist students' rights |
20 Sep 2005 02:20:13 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:06k0j1l0ij5qkv9qrs3iliutajl34hplk7@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:55:41 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:36:28 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:39:48 -0000, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com>
wrote:
What self-righteous bastards:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/175/story_17501_1.html
After Latest Pledge Ruling, Catholic Group Calls for Civil Disobedience
By Adelle M. Banks and Rich Preheim
Religion News Service
A conservative Catholic watchdog group is urging California teachers to
disobey an anticipated ban on public school recitation of the Pledge of
Allegiance.
...
"The time has come for patriotic teachers in those schools to practice
civil disobedience," said William Donohue, president of the New
York-based Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.
"They need to lead their students in the pledge, bellowing the dreaded
words `under God."'
Then they will have no complaint when they are told where to shove
their delusion, and can not punish the childfor saying that.
They'll still complain and still punish the child.
And when the child refuses?
That's when they pull out the ruler :P
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic League tells teachers to violate atheist students' rights |
21 Sep 2005 07:01:27 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:11:39 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:55:41 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:36:28 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:39:48 -0000, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com>
wrote:
What self-righteous bastards:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/175/story_17501_1.html
After Latest Pledge Ruling, Catholic Group Calls for Civil Disobedience
By Adelle M. Banks and Rich Preheim
Religion News Service
A conservative Catholic watchdog group is urging California teachers to
disobey an anticipated ban on public school recitation of the Pledge of
Allegiance.
...
"The time has come for patriotic teachers in those schools to practice
civil disobedience," said William Donohue, president of the New
York-based Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.
"They need to lead their students in the pledge, bellowing the dreaded
words `under God."'
Then they will have no complaint when they are told where to shove
their delusion, and can not punish the childfor saying that.
They'll still complain and still punish the child.
And when the child refuses?
"Spare the rod and spoil the child."
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic League tells teachers to violate atheist students' rights |
21 Sep 2005 02:34:19 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:55:41 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:36:28 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:39:48 -0000, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com>
wrote:
What self-righteous bastards:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/175/story_17501_1.html
After Latest Pledge Ruling, Catholic Group Calls for Civil Disobedience
By Adelle M. Banks and Rich Preheim
Religion News Service
A conservative Catholic watchdog group is urging California teachers to
disobey an anticipated ban on public school recitation of the Pledge of
Allegiance.
...
"The time has come for patriotic teachers in those schools to practice
civil disobedience," said William Donohue, president of the New
York-based Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.
"They need to lead their students in the pledge, bellowing the dreaded
words `under God."'
Then they will have no complaint when they are told where to shove
their delusion, and can not punish the childfor saying that.
They'll still complain and still punish the child.
I remember being told how terribly Catholic children were treated in
public schools. They were forced to read from the Protestant Bible
and to recite Protestant prayers. That was one of the motivations for
starting parochial schools in the US. I wonder if one should call it
hypocrisy or a short memory. Of course one should never discount
simple stupidity.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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