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"Adam Marczyk" |
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06 Aug 2003 11:45:59 PM |
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Catholic policy of secrecy on sex abuse |
I'm surprised this hasn't come up in the newsgroup already. CBS News did a
story tonight about a confidential document obtained from the Vatican's
archives that sets a policy for dealing with predatory priests at the
highest level of the Catholic church. I'm sure no one on a.a. will be
surprised to hear that the document orders cases of clergy sex abuse to be
investigated internally, under strict and total silence, and threatens with
excommunication anyone - including the victim - who breaks the secrecy.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/06/eveningnews/main566978.shtml for
more, including a PDF copy of the document itself.
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08 Aug 2003 02:58:55 AM |
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"Adam Marczyk" <see@sig.com> wrote in message news:<bQkYa.28009$EQ1.7383@news02.roc.ny>...
I'm surprised this hasn't come up in the newsgroup already. CBS News did a
story tonight about a confidential document obtained from the Vatican's
archives that sets a policy for dealing with predatory priests at the
highest level of the Catholic church. I'm sure no one on a.a. will be
surprised to hear that the document orders cases of clergy sex abuse to be
investigated internally, under strict and total silence, and threatens with
excommunication anyone - including the victim - who breaks the secrecy.
How many victims, unaware of this policy, have made the mistake of
reporting the abuse, thereby condemning themselves to excommunication
and, presumably, eternity in hell?
-- Holden DeBois <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/ajivika>
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08 Aug 2003 07:43:31 AM |
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"Crazyalec" <oleka2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bRwYa.89337$uu5.13165@sccrnsc04>...
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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supposed to be made public. Can we bomb the vatican now?
Don't put down catholics, you idiot. Who do you think gonna fight muslims in
the next WRW?
World Religious War
And how is my "putting down" the catholics going to affect them in
this religious war? They can't fight with hurt feelings?
Don't call me an idiot.
jwk
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| User: "Crazyalec" |
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08 Aug 2003 12:45:33 PM |
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(jwk) wrote in message news:<c6f5ba32.0308080443.40cbd71d@posting.google.com>...
"Crazyalec" <oleka2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bRwYa.89337$uu5.13165@sccrnsc04>...
"jwk" < > wrote in message
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supposed to be made public. Can we bomb the vatican now?
Don't put down catholics, you idiot. Who do you think gonna fight muslims in
the next WRW?
World Religious War
And how is my "putting down" the catholics going to affect them in
this religious war? They can't fight with hurt feelings?
I'm glad you agree there is gonna be a war.
Don't call me an idiot.
OK I won't
jwk
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| User: "juliekale" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic policy of secrecy on sex abuse |
07 Aug 2003 08:10:49 AM |
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"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c6f5ba32.0308070452.2a0bbe7@posting.google.com...
"Adam Marczyk" <see@sig.com> wrote in message
news:<bQkYa.28009$EQ1.7383@news02.roc.ny>...
I'm surprised this hasn't come up in the newsgroup already. CBS News did
a
story tonight about a confidential document obtained from the Vatican's
archives that sets a policy for dealing with predatory priests at the
highest level of the Catholic church. I'm sure no one on a.a. will be
surprised to hear that the document orders cases of clergy sex abuse to
be
investigated internally, under strict and total silence, and threatens
with
excommunication anyone - including the victim - who breaks the secrecy.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/06/eveningnews/main566978.shtml
for
more, including a PDF copy of the document itself.
The response from some damn bishop (paraphrase) - The document doesn't
mean what it says. It really isn't an instruction manual for covering
up sex crimes, it's something else.
Typical. He called it "an internal document" as if that meant it
didn't say what it says. What he really meant was that it wasn't
supposed to be made public. Can we bomb the vatican now?
I think the catholics are just damned near bound and determined to destroy
christianity.
They've been giving christians a bad name for centuries and show no signs of
stopping now.
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Be as you are.
From alt.atheism only...Julie Kale (aa 1029)
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| User: "Michael Painter" |
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07 Aug 2003 09:30:02 PM |
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"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
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"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Adam Marczyk" <see@sig.com> wrote in message
news:<bQkYa.28009$EQ1.7383@news02.roc.ny>...
I'm surprised this hasn't come up in the newsgroup already. CBS News
did
a
story tonight about a confidential document obtained from the
Vatican's
archives that sets a policy for dealing with predatory priests at the
highest level of the Catholic church. I'm sure no one on a.a. will be
surprised to hear that the document orders cases of clergy sex abuse
to
be
investigated internally, under strict and total silence, and threatens
with
excommunication anyone - including the victim - who breaks the
secrecy.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/06/eveningnews/main566978.shtml
for
more, including a PDF copy of the document itself.
The response from some damn bishop (paraphrase) - The document doesn't
mean what it says. It really isn't an instruction manual for covering
up sex crimes, it's something else.
Typical. He called it "an internal document" as if that meant it
didn't say what it says. What he really meant was that it wasn't
supposed to be made public. Can we bomb the vatican now?
I think the catholics are just damned near bound and determined to destroy
christianity.
They've been giving christians a bad name for centuries and show no signs
of
stopping now.
They are bigger and better organized and their acts are shameful but they
don't give christianity any worse name than the KKK or the Jim Joneses or
any other nutty christian group.
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| User: "juliekale" |
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07 Aug 2003 09:38:17 PM |
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"Michael Painter" <m.painter@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
I think the catholics are just damned near bound and determined to
destroy
christianity.
They've been giving christians a bad name for centuries and show no
signs
of
stopping now.
They are bigger and better organized and their acts are shameful but they
don't give christianity any worse name than the KKK or the Jim Joneses or
any other nutty christian group.
True, but none of the above mentioned have 1500+ K history with which to
delivery consistant bad behavior such as the church does.
--
Be as you are.
From alt.atheism only...Julie Kale (aa 1029)
www.juliekale.com
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| User: "Michael Painter" |
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07 Aug 2003 11:35:30 PM |
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"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
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"Michael Painter" <m.painter@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
I think the catholics are just damned near bound and determined to
destroy
christianity.
They've been giving christians a bad name for centuries and show no
signs
of
stopping now.
They are bigger and better organized and their acts are shameful but
they
don't give christianity any worse name than the KKK or the Jim Joneses
or
any other nutty christian group.
True, but none of the above mentioned have 1500+ K history with which to
delivery consistant bad behavior such as the church does.
Hopefully you mean 1500 or 15k
The protestant revolution had people killing people for a good many years
and the JW's probably do far worse on average than the RCC.
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| User: "juliekale" |
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08 Aug 2003 01:49:08 AM |
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"Michael Painter" <m.painter@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
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"Michael Painter" <m.painter@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
I think the catholics are just damned near bound and determined to
destroy
christianity.
They've been giving christians a bad name for centuries and show no
signs
of
stopping now.
They are bigger and better organized and their acts are shameful but
they
don't give christianity any worse name than the KKK or the Jim Joneses
or
any other nutty christian group.
True, but none of the above mentioned have 1500+ K history with which to
delivery consistant bad behavior such as the church does.
Hopefully you mean 1500 or 15k
Whoa! Goodness! Thanks. :)
15K.
<Julie needs rest. LOL>
The protestant revolution had people killing people for a good many years
and the JW's probably do far worse on average than the RCC.
True true.
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From alt.atheism only...Julie Kale (aa 1029)
www.juliekale.com
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| User: "William Klee" |
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10 Aug 2003 03:24:30 PM |
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In article <7encjvgnkec6ig4tf29dqlk2920i5njltl@4ax.com>, Marc Fleury
<marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Crazyalec wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:<3F32C2EB.56FC7548@serv.net>...
individual dioceses (they are, after all, chartered non-profit
corporations)
I thought corporation (by definition) is a business for profit.
You thought wrong.
You forgot a comma: "You thought, wrong." After all, that's crazy
you're talking to.
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| User: "Crazyalec" |
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11 Aug 2003 02:03:13 AM |
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Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote in message news:<d6gcjv46i83ebr6tuldkg8mi9fc6h3l79p@4ax.com>...
On 10 Aug 2003 01:13:46 -0700, (Crazyalec) wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<3F32C2EB.56FC7548@serv.net>...
individual dioceses (they are, after all, chartered non-profit corporations)
I thought corporation (by definition) is a business for profit.
A corporation can be formed for nearly any legal, public activity. It
does not have to be a business for profit.
OK, got it. But what gets me, is why dioceses or even religions
perceived as "non-profit" ? I mean,how is organizations have billions
of dollars in revenue, don't have to report income, and called
non-profit?
If you
call religion a business,
Calling it a corporation is not calling it a business.
You are right.That is if there is no profit. But if an organization
has profit, and its obvious, then how is it not a business?
then what is a product?
And if creation is a justification of a product, then its obvious that
theocracy attack evolution,
It is not obvious to those religions that do not oppose evolution,
that, in fact, teach it in their schools.
Not oppose evolution? Does it mean they oppose creation?
and defend creation, no matter how
ridiculous it is.
Its all about keeping the business going.
Organized religion may be ridiculous, but it is also a little more
complicated than your concept of it.
Its not a concept.Its what it is.A business based on a con game.
I don't need a concept that McDonalds or Microsoft is a business.
Many churches are indeed
businesses,
Churches are local dealers, where the transaction takes place.If it
wasn't for an industry (religion) and/or company (christianity), then
there wouldn't be any dealers in the area.
But the bottom line, dealer sell a product, that was offered by an
industry (diety) and a company (god).Just use the same analogy with
car, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
but most of them are also quite a bit more; otherwise they
would have disappeared a long time ago.
Exactly.Most of them did disappeare. There are no more
Egypt,Roman,Greek religions. Industry changed, companies changed,
dealers changed, got new names and attributes....but the product
(diety) still the same.
Why?
Because a business of selling said product so profitable, it will
never stop.
Thomas P.
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| User: "Crazyalec" |
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12 Aug 2003 04:37:40 AM |
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Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote in message news:<afsfjv8ag0n55f3fs0ctp4d23s4bv5e0k6@4ax.com>...
On 11 Aug 2003 00:03:13 -0700, (Crazyalec) wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote in message news:<d6gcjv46i83ebr6tuldkg8mi9fc6h3l79p@4ax.com>...
On 10 Aug 2003 01:13:46 -0700, (Crazyalec) wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<3F32C2EB.56FC7548@serv.net>...
individual dioceses (they are, after all, chartered non-profit corporations)
I thought corporation (by definition) is a business for profit.
A corporation can be formed for nearly any legal, public activity. It
does not have to be a business for profit.
OK, got it. But what gets me, is why dioceses or even religions
perceived as "non-profit" ? I mean,how is organizations have billions
of dollars in revenue, don't have to report income, and called
non-profit?
I have no idea about their obligation to report income,
There is no obligation.
but I doubt
that they have no obligation at all.
You do?
They are called non-profit,
because they fit the legal description.
Hmmm....Legally religion is very much profitable venture,don't you
think?
In latest news Boston Diocese agreed to pay 55 million to settle abuse
cases.(why they call it abuse, when its a rape?).
If you
call religion a business,
Calling it a corporation is not calling it a business.
You are right.That is if there is no profit. But if an organization
has profit, and its obvious, then how is it not a business?
When it fits the legal definition of non-profit organization.
But what if there IS a profit?
then what is a product?
And if creation is a justification of a product, then its obvious that
theocracy attack evolution,
It is not obvious to those religions that do not oppose evolution,
that, in fact, teach it in their schools.
Not oppose evolution? Does it mean they oppose creation?
No, it means that they do not see the problem that you see. The
schools and universities of the Catholic Church have science courses,
in which evolution is taught. You may think that is contradictory;
they do not. It is contradictory only within the narrow beliefs of
fundamentalism or other literal belief systems.
Its pretty much contradicts the bible, which is based on creation.
and defend creation, no matter how
ridiculous it is.
Its all about keeping the business going.
Organized religion may be ridiculous, but it is also a little more
complicated than your concept of it.
Its not a concept.Its what it is.A business based on a con game.
I don't need a concept that McDonalds or Microsoft is a business.
Many churches are indeed
businesses,
Churches are local dealers, where the transaction takes place.If it
wasn't for an industry (religion) and/or company (christianity), then
there wouldn't be any dealers in the area.
But the bottom line, dealer sell a product, that was offered by an
industry (diety) and a company (god).Just use the same analogy with
car, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
I know what you are talking about. Everybody knows what you are
talking about. You have posted essentially the same message an
incredible number of times. It is simplistic to the point of being
useless.
So if you know what I'm talking about, how is you keep calling
religion a non-profit organization?
but most of them are also quite a bit more; otherwise they
would have disappeared a long time ago.
Exactly.Most of them did disappeare. There are no more
Egypt,Roman,Greek religions. Industry changed, companies changed,
dealers changed, got new names and attributes....but the product
(diety) still the same.
Why?
Because a business of selling said product so profitable, it will
never stop.
I see.
Good.So why religion is still perceived as a non-profit organization,
when its a business for profit?
Thomas P.
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| User: "Crazyalec" |
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14 Aug 2003 08:27:50 AM |
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(William Blake) wrote in message > pretext for equally selfish anti-social beliefs. The "sword" of
empiricism and rationalism cuts both ways.
You seem to know so much about pedofiles.Why are you so fascinated
with fucking lil boys, you pervert.
Turn yourself in, before you hurt somebody.
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| User: "William Blake" |
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14 Aug 2003 11:45:01 PM |
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(Crazyalec) wrote in message news:<37c9d6cf.0308140527.6ab0372d@posting.google.com>...
wblake1790@hotmail.com (William Blake) wrote in message:
(Crazyalec) wrote in message:
In latest news Boston Diocese agreed to pay 55 million to
settle abusecases.(why they call it abuse, when its a rape?).
This is a surprising comment coming from an apparent
pedophile like yourself. You have argued in previous
discussions that laws prohibiting sex between adults and
minors should be removed from the books due to the fact
that minors are rarely prosecuted for having sex with
minors. Poor whining Alec just can't accept the fact that a
15 year old boy can have sex with a 15 year old girl
without risking a jail sentence whereas Alec himself will
be sentenced to hard time in prison as a "short eyes"
pervert if/when he gets caught with his finger in a teenage
girl's vagina. Are you now claiming that you agree with
the laws prohibiting sex between adults and minors if/when
the adult happens to be a member of the clergy, as opposed
to mere human pond scum like yourself? Isn't this
hypocritical -- in the truest sense of the term
"hypocrisy"?
BTW, I'm an atheist and take issue -- for
obvious reasons -- with malevolent perverts who invoke
atheism as a pretext for incredibly selfish anti-social
beliefs. Likewise I take issue with equally malevolent
perverts who invoke their relationship with "god" as a
pretext for equally selfish anti-social beliefs. The
"sword" of empiricism and rationalism cuts both ways.
You seem to know so much about pedofiles.
Only what I learned by studying your malevolent postings in the
alt.fan.tom-leykis newsgroup, along with a bit of info that some
ex-convicts have told me over the years about the treatment that
"short eyes" perverts like yourself usually receive in prison. How
does your argument go again? Oh, yes I remember. It's ok for 16 year
old boys to screw 14 year old girls, so it should be ok for you as
well. Of course, everybody knows why that argument isn't valid.
Why are you so fascinated
with fucking lil boys, you pervert.
Turn yourself in, before you hurt somebody.
I'm not fascinated with "lil boys" and I'm in favor of laws requiring
the removal of *all* pedophiles from society whether they prey on boys
or girls. Are you in favor of laws mandating prison sentences for men
over the age of 18 who have sex with minors? BTW, when you pack your
bags, don't forget the petroleum jelly. You're gonna need it in
prison, short eyes.
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| User: "Crazyalec" |
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17 Aug 2003 06:20:15 AM |
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(William Blake) wrote in message news:<fe0bc2ee.0308142045.63e1a3f9@posting.google.com>...
I'm not fascinated with "lil boys" and I'm in favor of laws requiring
the removal of *all* pedophiles from society
So what are you waiting for? Remove yourself.
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| User: "Marc Fleury" |
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12 Aug 2003 09:26:16 AM |
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Crazyalec wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote
schools and universities of the Catholic Church have science courses,
in which evolution is taught. You may think that is contradictory;
they do not. It is contradictory only within the narrow beliefs of
fundamentalism or other literal belief systems.
Its pretty much contradicts the bible, which is based on creation.
It contradicts a literal interpretation of the bible. But Catholicism
does not employ such an interpretation.
--
Marc.
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| User: "Crazyalec" |
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13 Aug 2003 01:50:46 AM |
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Marc Fleury <marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<b4uhjv40r0q2hqstl327tuv23kmma13mad@4ax.com>...
Crazyalec wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote
schools and universities of the Catholic Church have science courses,
in which evolution is taught. You may think that is contradictory;
they do not. It is contradictory only within the narrow beliefs of
fundamentalism or other literal belief systems.
Its pretty much contradicts the bible, which is based on creation.
It contradicts a literal interpretation of the bible. But Catholicism
does not employ such an interpretation.
Who told you that?
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13 Aug 2003 09:52:57 AM |
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Crazyalec wrote:
Marc Fleury <marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote
Crazyalec wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote
schools and universities of the Catholic Church have science courses,
in which evolution is taught. You may think that is contradictory;
they do not. It is contradictory only within the narrow beliefs of
fundamentalism or other literal belief systems.
Its pretty much contradicts the bible, which is based on creation.
It contradicts a literal interpretation of the bible. But Catholicism
does not employ such an interpretation.
Who told you that?
The priest at my local Catholic Church, my grade 8 teacher in Catholic
school, the Pope ...
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Marc.
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| User: "Marc Fleury" |
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15 Aug 2003 07:43:27 AM |
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Crazyalec wrote:
Marc Fleury <marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<23kkjvska73vb563qap36aobs651acqg4r@4ax.com>...
Crazyalec wrote:
Marc Fleury <marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote
Crazyalec wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote
schools and universities of the Catholic Church have science courses,
in which evolution is taught. You may think that is contradictory;
they do not. It is contradictory only within the narrow beliefs of
fundamentalism or other literal belief systems.
Its pretty much contradicts the bible, which is based on creation.
It contradicts a literal interpretation of the bible. But Catholicism
does not employ such an interpretation.
Who told you that?
The priest at my local Catholic Church, my grade 8 teacher in Catholic
school, the Pope ...
Pope told you that creation is not in a bible?
Whuh?
The Pope told me that the story of creation in the bible is not meant
to be taken literally.
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Marc.
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| User: "Crazyalec" |
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15 Aug 2003 12:24:55 PM |
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Marc Fleury <marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<calpjvg9ij1dfscpj28vtnk0ios8m6jhtp@4ax.com>...
Crazyalec wrote:
Marc Fleury <marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<23kkjvska73vb563qap36aobs651acqg4r@4ax.com>...
Crazyalec wrote:
Marc Fleury <marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote
Crazyalec wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote
schools and universities of the Catholic Church have science courses,
in which evolution is taught. You may think that is contradictory;
they do not. It is contradictory only within the narrow beliefs of
fundamentalism or other literal belief systems.
Its pretty much contradicts the bible, which is based on creation.
It contradicts a literal interpretation of the bible. But Catholicism
does not employ such an interpretation.
Who told you that?
The priest at my local Catholic Church, my grade 8 teacher in Catholic
school, the Pope ...
Pope told you that creation is not in a bible?
Whuh?
The Pope told me that the story of creation in the bible is not meant
to be taken literally.
You can take it literally, or you can take it not literally.It doesn't
matter.Its an idea that matters.Creation justifies god, and god
justifies religion.
Religion is a business.
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| User: "Marc Fleury" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic policy of secrecy on sex abuse |
15 Aug 2003 09:42:07 PM |
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Crazyalec wrote:
Marc Fleury <marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<calpjvg9ij1dfscpj28vtnk0ios8m6jhtp@4ax.com>...
Crazyalec wrote:
Pope told you that creation is not in a bible?
Whuh?
The Pope told me that the story of creation in the bible is not meant
to be taken literally.
You can take it literally, or you can take it not literally.It doesn't
matter.Its an idea that matters.Creation justifies god, and god
justifies religion.
Catholicism is not creationist!
Religion is a business.
*shrug*
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Marc.
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| User: "Crazyalec" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic policy of secrecy on sex abuse |
17 Aug 2003 05:51:37 AM |
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Marc Fleury <marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<be6rjvkketj0or8s3q0bko4fnsktatk97h@4ax.com>...
Crazyalec wrote:
Marc Fleury <marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<calpjvg9ij1dfscpj28vtnk0ios8m6jhtp@4ax.com>...
Crazyalec wrote:
Pope told you that creation is not in a bible?
Whuh?
The Pope told me that the story of creation in the bible is not meant
to be taken literally.
You can take it literally, or you can take it not literally.It doesn't
matter.Its an idea that matters.Creation justifies god, and god
justifies religion.
Catholicism is not creationist!
Dude, what are you smoking?
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| User: "soCode" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic policy of secrecy on sex abuse |
16 Aug 2003 07:14:18 AM |
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Crazyalec wrote:
Religion is a business.
So is health-care and education.
That religious organizations have many of the attributes of businesses
might highlight hypocrisy, but if they were run like any other global
business they might actually be rather less harmful, having to for
example, justify their claims, pay their taxes, disclose their
activities and report and uncover paedophiles in their ranks.
soCode
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| User: "Crazyalec" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic policy of secrecy on sex abuse |
17 Aug 2003 05:57:47 AM |
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soCode <news@socode.com> wrote in message news:<bhl76j$1oe$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>...
Crazyalec wrote:
Religion is a business.
So is health-care and education.
That religious organizations have many of the attributes of businesses
might highlight hypocrisy, but if they were run like any other global
business they might actually be rather less harmful, having to for
example, justify their claims, pay their taxes, disclose their
activities and report and uncover paedophiles in their ranks.
soCode
If only religion was perceived as a business.And treated like one.
That way you'd understand, that whatever theocracy does or say has
only one agenda...Keep the business going.
Using this wonderful formula, you can understand why they say what
they say and do what they do.
So stop your atheistic mumbo-jumbo.Its useless.
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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| Title: Re: Catholic policy of secrecy on sex abuse |
13 Aug 2003 06:36:18 AM |
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On 12 Aug 2003 23:50:46 -0700, (Crazyalec) wrote:
Marc Fleury <marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<b4uhjv40r0q2hqstl327tuv23kmma13mad@4ax.com>...
Crazyalec wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote
schools and universities of the Catholic Church have science courses,
in which evolution is taught. You may think that is contradictory;
they do not. It is contradictory only within the narrow beliefs of
fundamentalism or other literal belief systems.
Its pretty much contradicts the bible, which is based on creation.
It contradicts a literal interpretation of the bible. But Catholicism
does not employ such an interpretation.
Who told you that?
The Catholic Church told me that. I am amazed that you would think
the Catholics are fundamentalists. They are not. I was raised in a
very pious Catholic home and attended Catholic schools until I went
into the military, but most protestants and just about everyone else
are aware that Catholics are not fundamentalists.
Thomas P.
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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13 Aug 2003 06:36:19 AM |
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On 13 Aug 2003 00:35:05 -0700, (Crazyalec) wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote in message news:<qhoijvooh8bq4a0moi0mkdf7s5aqn13j7s@4ax.com>...
Actually there is. There are certain requirements that have to be met
in order to have a non-profit status. One just doesn't say this is a
church and have the status automatically granted.
You are missing a point.I don't care about specific church. Its a
religion that is perceived as non-profit.When in reality its a big
money making machine.
Stop being close-minded.Think big.
Right now I am thinking irony - big time.
but I doubt
that they have no obligation at all.
You do?
Yes.
You are wrong.Nobody knows how much Catholic Church makes.We can only
guess.And they don't have to show where the money coming from and how
they are spent.
Just like a mafia.
I see, you think they are exempt from national law. Your world-view
is odd.
They are called non-profit,
because they fit the legal description.
Hmmm....Legally religion is very much profitable venture,don't you
think?
Obviously many churches are not profit making legally, otherwise they
would not have a non-profit status legally granted to them.
Well, thats my point.How in the world you can call religion
non-profit, when its a big money making machine?
The only way to stop this hypocrisy, is perceive religion as a
business, and not a belief.
Got it? So stop your stupid atheistic mambo-jumbo. There is no such
thing as atheism, because theism is not about a belief (as they
claim), but a business.
You are more than a little strange. I grew up Catholic. I believed
the teachings of the Church. My friends and family believed it. I
have no doubt that most of the priests and nuns believed it. In short
it was a belief, as are other religions.
In latest news Boston Diocese agreed to pay 55 million to settle abuse
cases.(why they call it abuse, when its a rape?).
Non sequitur.
It does follow.55 million is a lot of money.How about 55 billion? I
wouldn't be surprised if thats a revenue of catholic church along.What
about other companies?
Irrelevant.
snip
Thomas P.
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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| Title: Re: Catholic policy of secrecy on sex abuse |
14 Aug 2003 12:18:04 PM |
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On 14 Aug 2003 06:08:46 -0700, (Crazyalec) wrote:
That he hates to be confused with reality.
Thomas P.
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| User: "Crazyalec" |
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17 Aug 2003 06:21:07 AM |
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Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote in message news:<ntgnjvkgk5q83bbdin5d1176qj0i04dt7q@4ax.com>...
On 14 Aug 2003 06:08:46 -0700, (Crazyalec) wrote:
That he hates to be confused with reality, created by idiots like
Thomas P.
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