Religions > Atheism > Catholic press attacks call for Pope to apologise to Templars
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Catholic press attacks call for Pope to apologise to Templars
I read with interest the article in today's Catholic Herald about
calls for an apology for the persecution of the Templars. It appears
that the Catholic Herald does not recognise the case for an apology.
The article quotes three individuals, one academic and two authors,
who between them argue that the Templars ceased to exist and
"deserved" to be oppressed, therefore no apology is necessary. These
sentiments are echoed by the editorial inside the newspaper. The
implication would seem to be that the Vatican is wrong to be
"seriously considering" issuing an apology.
However, there remains a clear and legitimate case for an apology, and
I will now demonstrate. Firstly, we know that Vatican records
vindicate the Templars. Secondly, apologies have rightly and justly
been expressed by the Vatican over similar issues, setting a reliable
precedent. Finally, even if the Templars had been guilty of heresy,
nobody sane would dispute today that it is wrong to torture and burn
people alive under any circumstances.
FURTHER READING
The Times (30 March 2002) - Vatican file shows pope pardoned massacred
Knights
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-252124,00.html
The Times (29 November 2004) - The last crusade of the Templars, page
13.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1379629,00.html
The Independent (29 November 2004) - Knights Templar seek papal
apology for 700 years of persecution.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=587769
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03 Dec 2004 05:15:41 PM |
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"Alert" <www_insider_org@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
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Catholic press attacks call for Pope to apologise to Templars
As long as it isn't the ones in those "Blind Dead" movies!
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05 Dec 2004 04:06:30 AM |
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(Alert) wrote in message news:<5b022599.0412031017.62fb0433@posting.google.com>...
Catholic press attacks call for Pope to apologise to Templars
I read with interest the article in today's Catholic Herald about
calls for an apology for the persecution of the Templars. It appears
that the Catholic Herald does not recognise the case for an apology.
The article quotes three individuals, one academic and two authors,
who between them argue that the Templars ceased to exist and
"deserved" to be oppressed, therefore no apology is necessary. These
sentiments are echoed by the editorial inside the newspaper. The
implication would seem to be that the Vatican is wrong to be
"seriously considering" issuing an apology.
Let's see if I understand "catholic logic" correctly:
If there are no more templars, then there is no one to
apologize to...in much the same way as the British don't
need to apologize to the Tazmanians they annihilated.
If there are templars, they don't deserve an apology
because they "don't exist"...in much the same way the
catholic cult denied the jews a right to exist for the
last thousand years.
That makes so much sense. 9_9
Bob Dog
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05 Dec 2004 01:45:04 PM |
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www_insider_org@postmaster.co.uk (Alert) wrote in message news:<5b022599.0412031017.62fb0433@posting.google.com>...
Catholic press attacks call for Pope to apologise to Templars
I read with interest the article in today's Catholic Herald about
calls for an apology for the persecution of the Templars. It appears
that the Catholic Herald does not recognise the case for an apology.
The article quotes three individuals, one academic and two authors,
who between them argue that the Templars ceased to exist and
"deserved" to be oppressed, therefore no apology is necessary. These
sentiments are echoed by the editorial inside the newspaper. The
implication would seem to be that the Vatican is wrong to be
"seriously considering" issuing an apology.
Let's see if I understand "catholic logic" correctly:
If there are no more templars, then there is no one to
apologize to...in much the same way as the British don't
need to apologize to the Tazmanians they annihilated.
If there are templars, they don't deserve an apology
because they "don't exist"...in much the same way the
catholic cult denied the jews a right to exist for the
last thousand years.
Deep in the Catholic heart is the desire to stamp out all heretics.
Much is made of the glorious past when they had the power to do so.
-Hy
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05 Dec 2004 05:46:54 PM |
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In contrast, the top international Catholic newspaper, The Tablet, did
not take sides and covered the news with a neutral and unbiased report
of the basic facts:-
Secretive Knights
THE ANCIENT Order of the Knights Templar likes to obscure itself in a
shroud of mystery. The knights are seeking an apology for the way they
were persecuted by the Church 700 years ago. But the source was
unwilling to give details of the society today or the work it does.
"Even in today's more tolerant climate the Order may not be understood
by everybody," our informant said, adding that the Knights Templar is
a substantial underground organisation. Apparently some younger
members believe it is now time to stop hiding and step into the
daylight. "After centuries of silence, secrecy has become a difficult
habit to break, but all will be revealed in due course," we are
promised.
The Knights Templar was one of the principal crusading orders, founded
in 1118 in Jerusalem where it became a powerful and wealthy military
force. Nearly two centuries later Pope Clement V colluded in a scheme
with Philip the Fair of France to wipe out the Order and seize its
legendary fortune. Members were accused of heresy, idolatry and sexual
perversion, and many were tortured and murdered. The Pope disbanded
the Order by papal bull at the Council, of Vienna and many leaders,
including the Grand Master, Jacques de Molay, were burned at the stake
in Paris in 1314.
The Order wants an apology from the present Pope, John Paul II, in
time for the seventh centenary of the persecution, due to be marked by
a ceremony in 2007. "It would be just and fitting for the Vatican to
acknowledge our grievance before this date," said the letter sent' to
the Vatican on behalf of the Grand Master.
The Tablet, Secretive Knights, p 17, 4 December 2004.
[ http://www.thetablet.co.uk/ ]
FURTHER READING
The Times (30 March 2002) - Vatican file shows pope pardoned massacred
Knights
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-252124,00.html
The Times (29 November 2004) - The last crusade of the Templars, page
13.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1379629,00.html
The Independent (29 November 2004) - Knights Templar seek papal
apology for 700 years of persecution.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=587769
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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05 Dec 2004 09:56:58 PM |
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(Alert) wrote in message news:<5b022599.0412051546.17896a59@posting.google.com>...
In contrast, the top international Catholic newspaper, The Tablet, did
not take sides and covered the news with a neutral and unbiased report
of the basic facts:-
Secretive Knights
THE ANCIENT Order of the Knights Templar likes to obscure itself in a
shroud of mystery. The knights are seeking an apology for the way they
were persecuted by the Church 700 years ago. But the source was
unwilling to give details of the society today or the work it does.
"Even in today's more tolerant climate the Order may not be understood
by everybody," our informant said, adding that the Knights Templar is
a substantial underground organisation. Apparently some younger
members believe it is now time to stop hiding and step into the
daylight. "After centuries of silence, secrecy has become a difficult
habit to break, but all will be revealed in due course," we are
promised.
Woo, cool ... there are secret Knights Templar?
Unless they're lying, of course. There are plenty of lately revived
"ancient" socities out there.
The Knights Templar was one of the principal crusading orders, founded
in 1118 in Jerusalem where it became a powerful and wealthy military
force. Nearly two centuries later Pope Clement V colluded in a scheme
with Philip the Fair of France to wipe out the Order and seize its
legendary fortune. Members were accused of heresy, idolatry and sexual
perversion, and many were tortured and murdered. The Pope disbanded
the Order by papal bull at the Council, of Vienna and many leaders,
including the Grand Master, Jacques de Molay, were burned at the stake
in Paris in 1314.
That sucks.
The Order wants an apology from the present Pope, John Paul II, in
time for the seventh centenary of the persecution, due to be marked by
a ceremony in 2007. "It would be just and fitting for the Vatican to
acknowledge our grievance before this date," said the letter sent' to
the Vatican on behalf of the Grand Master.
Grand Master? Do they have a secret handshake, too? <giggle>
-Hy
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| User: "JTEM" |
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06 Dec 2004 09:19:08 AM |
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"Hypatia Kosh" <Phillips.66.berliv2@spamgourmet.com> wrote
Unless they're lying, of course. There are plenty of lately revived
"ancient" socities out there.
And religions.
A prime example would be the modern "Druids."
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| User: "jwk" |
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06 Dec 2004 11:20:06 PM |
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Hypatia Kosh wrote:
www_insider_org@postmaster.co.uk (Alert) wrote in message
news:<5b022599.0412051546.17896a59@posting.google.com>...
In contrast, the top international Catholic newspaper, The Tablet,
did
not take sides and covered the news with a neutral and unbiased
report
of the basic facts:-
Secretive Knights
THE ANCIENT Order of the Knights Templar likes to obscure itself in
a
shroud of mystery. The knights are seeking an apology for the way
they
were persecuted by the Church 700 years ago. But the source was
unwilling to give details of the society today or the work it does.
"Even in today's more tolerant climate the Order may not be
understood
by everybody," our informant said, adding that the Knights Templar
is
a substantial underground organisation. Apparently some younger
members believe it is now time to stop hiding and step into the
daylight. "After centuries of silence, secrecy has become a
difficult
habit to break, but all will be revealed in due course," we are
promised.
Woo, cool ... there are secret Knights Templar?
Unless they're lying, of course. There are plenty of lately revived
"ancient" socities out there.
The Knights Templar was one of the principal crusading orders,
founded
in 1118 in Jerusalem where it became a powerful and wealthy
military
force. Nearly two centuries later Pope Clement V colluded in a
scheme
with Philip the Fair of France to wipe out the Order and seize its
legendary fortune. Members were accused of heresy, idolatry and
sexual
perversion, and many were tortured and murdered. The Pope disbanded
the Order by papal bull at the Council, of Vienna and many leaders,
including the Grand Master, Jacques de Molay, were burned at the
stake
in Paris in 1314.
That sucks.
The Order wants an apology from the present Pope, John Paul II, in
time for the seventh centenary of the persecution, due to be marked
by
a ceremony in 2007. "It would be just and fitting for the Vatican
to
acknowledge our grievance before this date," said the letter sent'
to
the Vatican on behalf of the Grand Master.
Grand Master? Do they have a secret handshake, too? <giggle>
Don't giggle! EAC* operations was born from the ashes of the Templars!
it's true! We got their "sacred" chalice, too.
jwk
*which doesn't exist, of course
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04 Dec 2004 03:40:53 AM |
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The Catholic Herald (UK and Eire) describes a humble and polite
request for an apology as a "demand" and offers a defensive response,
"we do not need to apologise", as though Catholics are somehow under
attack which is manifestly not true.
Fortunately the only response that matters is the response from the
Vatican.
www_insider_org@postmaster.co.uk (Alert) wrote in message news:<5b022599.0412031017.62fb0433@posting.google.com>...
Catholic press attacks call for Pope to apologise to Templars
I read with interest the article in today's Catholic Herald about
calls for an apology for the persecution of the Templars. It appears
that the Catholic Herald does not recognise the case for an apology.
The article quotes three individuals, one academic and two authors,
who between them argue that the Templars ceased to exist and
"deserved" to be oppressed, therefore no apology is necessary. These
sentiments are echoed by the editorial inside the newspaper. The
implication would seem to be that the Vatican is wrong to be
"seriously considering" issuing an apology.
However, there remains a clear and legitimate case for an apology, and
I will now demonstrate. Firstly, we know that Vatican records
vindicate the Templars. Secondly, apologies have rightly and justly
been expressed by the Vatican over similar issues, setting a reliable
precedent. Finally, even if the Templars had been guilty of heresy,
nobody sane would dispute today that it is wrong to torture and burn
people alive under any circumstances.
FURTHER READING
The Times (30 March 2002) - Vatican file shows pope pardoned massacred
Knights
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-252124,00.html
The Times (29 November 2004) - The last crusade of the Templars, page
13.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1379629,00.html
The Independent (29 November 2004) - Knights Templar seek papal
apology for 700 years of persecution.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=587769
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04 Dec 2004 04:22:05 AM |
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"Alert" <www_insider_org@postmaster.co.uk> wrote
The Catholic Herald (UK and Eire) describes a humble and polite
request for an apology as a "demand" and offers a defensive response,
"we do not need to apologise", as though Catholics are somehow under
attack which is manifestly not true.
Fortunately the only response that matters is the response from the
Vatican.
Well, gee, here in the United States we spent an entire election talking
about the war. The Vietnam war, that is.
Yup. It nicely distracted everyone from the war that's going on right
now.
I guess it worked so well that they thought it would be a good idea
if the distracted us all from the religious conflict in America with
some nonsense about what took place 700 years ago.
Not that "history" or "Facts" matter any (just ask maff), but just so
long as we all lose sleep over what we like to think happened
700 years ago -- instead of what is taking place right now -- than
it's worth it.
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04 Dec 2004 03:33:54 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<utednauBaIK2EyzcRVn-hg@comcast.com>...
"Alert" <www_insider_org@postmaster.co.uk> wrote
The Catholic Herald (UK and Eire) describes a humble and polite
request for an apology as a "demand" and offers a defensive response,
"we do not need to apologise", as though Catholics are somehow under
attack which is manifestly not true.
Fortunately the only response that matters is the response from the
Vatican.
Well, gee, here in the United States we spent an entire election talking
about the war. The Vietnam war, that is.
Yup. It nicely distracted everyone from the war that's going on right
now.
I guess it worked so well that they thought it would be a good idea
if the distracted us all from the religious conflict in America with
some nonsense about what took place 700 years ago.
Not that "history" or "Facts" matter any (just ask maff), but just so
long as we all lose sleep over what we like to think happened
700 years ago -- instead of what is taking place right now -- than
it's worth it.
If it only happened in the past then you can 'let bygones be bygones'.
But the Vatican is still practicing terrorism even now. Then the whole
period is going to be re-examined and the victims and their estates
are going to be compensated. It's as simple as that.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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04 Dec 2004 04:54:00 PM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
Not that "history" or "Facts" matter any (just ask maff), but just so
long as we all lose sleep over what we like to think happened
700 years ago -- instead of what is taking place right now -- than
it's worth it.
If it only happened in the past then you can 'let bygones be bygones'.
Not to get technical, but it didn't even happen in the past. It was the
French crown behind the persecution of the Templars.
But it's not like facts matter here. If they did, you'd be worried about
the PRESENT, the on-going take over of a nuclear superpower by
a minority, fundamentalist "Christian" movement.
But the Vatican is still practicing terrorism even now.
And you gave us numerous examples. There was a 600 year old treaty
designed to avoid conflict between Spain & Portagual for example.
But, hey, let's do our parts to keep attentions away from what's
happening right now, like a good little slave to JesusBush....
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05 Dec 2004 06:23:11 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<S-edndplasX7oy_cRVn-sA@comcast.com>...
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
Not that "history" or "Facts" matter any (just ask maff), but just so
long as we all lose sleep over what we like to think happened
700 years ago -- instead of what is taking place right now -- than
it's worth it.
If it only happened in the past then you can 'let bygones be bygones'.
Not to get technical, but it didn't even happen in the past. It was the
French crown behind the persecution of the Templars.
But it's not like facts matter here. If they did, you'd be worried about
the PRESENT, the on-going take over of a nuclear superpower by
a minority, fundamentalist "Christian" movement.
It's ably supported by fundamentalist Catholics like 'Opus Dei' and
Theoconservatives.
Opus Dei
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3938627578d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=18510aff.0408132357.3cd81a19%40posting.google.com
Theoconservatives
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=18510aff.0411081416.7b718c6b%40posting.google.com
But the Vatican is still practicing terrorism even now.
And you gave us numerous examples. There was a 600 year old treaty
designed to avoid conflict between Spain & Portagual for example.
That's what all terroist states say.
But, hey, let's do our parts to keep attentions away from what's
happening right now, like a good little slave to JesusBush....
What do you think 'Opus Dei' and theoconservatives do? They're still
doing it with the support of other fundamentalist Christians.
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05 Dec 2004 09:40:15 AM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
But it's not like facts matter here. If they did, you'd be worried about
the PRESENT, the on-going take over of a nuclear superpower by
a minority, fundamentalist "Christian" movement.
It's ably supported by fundamentalist Catholics like 'Opus Dei' and
Theoconservatives.
Yes. And it's supported by card-carrying homos like Rep. David Deier
and campaign chair Mehlman. And it's even supported by alleged
atheists, as demonstrated all too well by "Fred Stone" and that festering
moron here, on alt.atheism.
But it's not supported by the Vatican. In fact, the Vatican flat-out
REFUSED direct calls from the Bush junta to get involved in internal
U.S. politics and condemn pro-choice politicians.
But, hey, it's not like reality counts...
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05 Dec 2004 03:17:09 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Za6dnc0uc5agty7cRVn-iw@comcast.com>...
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
But it's not like facts matter here. If they did, you'd be worried about
the PRESENT, the on-going take over of a nuclear superpower by
a minority, fundamentalist "Christian" movement.
It's ably supported by fundamentalist Catholics like 'Opus Dei' and
Theoconservatives.
Yes. And it's supported by card-carrying homos like Rep. David Deier
and campaign chair Mehlman. And it's even supported by alleged
atheists, as demonstrated all too well by "Fred Stone" and that festering
moron here, on alt.atheism.
But it's not supported by the Vatican. In fact, the Vatican flat-out
REFUSED direct calls from the Bush junta to get involved in internal
U.S. politics and condemn pro-choice politicians.
But, hey, it's not like reality counts...
But the Vatican is bankrolled by 'Opus Dei' and theoconservatives.
They haven't made it a secret. It's in all newspapers. Majority of the
Cardinals appointed by the Pope are from 'Opus Dei' and
theoconservatives.
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05 Dec 2004 10:41:06 PM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
But the Vatican is bankrolled by 'Opus Dei' and
theoconservatives.
You have a tinfoil hat, don't you? I can tell.
They haven't made it a secret.
Well, except to Catholics. As someone who was raised in a
Catholic family, I can assure you that it was and is "a secret"
known only to you and other medication-deprived folks hiding
from the Hillary clones and the trilateral commission.
But that won't even slow you down, now will it?
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| User: "maff" |
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06 Dec 2004 07:28:11 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
But the Vatican is bankrolled by 'Opus Dei' and
theoconservatives.
You have a tinfoil hat, don't you? I can tell.
You're still evading the issue.
They haven't made it a secret.
Well, except to Catholics. As someone who was raised in a
Catholic family, I can assure you that it was and is "a secret"
known only to you and other medication-deprived folks hiding
from the Hillary clones and the trilateral commission.
But that won't even slow you down, now will it?
So why aren't you saying that to the mainstream newspapers who're
publishing it?
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| User: "JTEM" |
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06 Dec 2004 09:14:37 AM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
You're still evading the issue.
I'm not evading anything, I'm pointing out the fact
that you're full of *****.
So why aren't you saying that to the mainstream newspapers
who're publishing it?
Are these anything like your imaginary "peer reviewed history
journals" that turned out to be amazon.com?
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06 Dec 2004 03:53:34 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
You're still evading the issue.
I'm not evading anything, I'm pointing out the fact
that you're full of *****.
You're still evading the issue. You're starting to sound like a
creationist.
So why aren't you saying that to the mainstream newspapers
who're publishing it?
Are these anything like your imaginary "peer reviewed history
journals" that turned out to be amazon.com?
If you don't want to discuss Opus Dei's and theoconservatives's links
to the Vation then so be it. The rest of the World would then take that
as an admission that Vatican is the head of the beast.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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06 Dec 2004 08:46:09 PM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
You're still evading the issue.
I'm not evading anything, I'm pointing out the fact
that you're full of *****.
You're still evading the issue.
Be a dear and articulate this "issue."
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| User: "maff" |
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07 Dec 2004 03:13:05 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
You're still evading the issue.
I'm not evading anything, I'm pointing out the fact
that you're full of *****.
You're still evading the issue.
Be a dear and articulate this "issue."
The issue is Vatican's links with 'Opus Dei' and the
theoconservaatives.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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07 Dec 2004 04:20:12 AM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
The issue is Vatican's links with 'Opus Dei' and the
theoconservaatives.
The "links" are actually the other way around, and you
were previously pretending that there was some
"secret" financing going on that only medication-deprived
weirdos knew about.
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07 Dec 2004 06:24:33 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
The issue is Vatican's links with 'Opus Dei' and the
theoconservaatives.
The "links" are actually the other way around, and you
were previously pretending that there was some
"secret" financing going on that only medication-deprived
weirdos knew about.
Are you saying that Opus Dei and the theoconservaatives don't support
the Vatican financially and morally?
Who said it was a secret? I said the opposite.
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07 Dec 2004 08:03:16 AM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
Are you saying that Opus Dei and the theoconservaatives don't
support the Vatican financially and morally?
Allowences for the fact that I have no idea what you're getting
at with your "theoconservatives"....
I'm not saying anything.
But if you're asking me if Catholics support their church, the
answer is yes.
Why this gives you a hardon I don't know.
Perhaps you can explain it to us?
The idea that members of a religion financially support their
religion gets you all excited because... ???
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic press attacks call for Pope to apologise to Templars |
08 Dec 2004 03:14:41 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
Are you saying that Opus Dei and the theoconservaatives don't
support the Vatican financially and morally?
Allowences for the fact that I have no idea what you're getting
at with your "theoconservatives"....
You can always read upon news stories about theoconservatives and 'Opus
Dei'.
I'm not saying anything.
You can always comment when you've time to read upon the news.
But if you're asking me if Catholics support their church, the
answer is yes.
Why this gives you a hardon I don't know.
Perhaps you can explain it to us?
The idea that members of a religion financially support their
religion gets you all excited because... ???
Individual Catholics aren't the issue. The issue is theoconservatives
and the 'Opus Dei' and their links to the Vatican. They're the bankers
for the Vatican. You should know by now that bankers call the tune.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic press attacks call for Pope to apologise to Templars |
09 Dec 2004 12:00:12 AM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
Allowences for the fact that I have no idea what you're getting
at with your "theoconservatives"....
You can always read upon news stories about theoconservatives
and 'Opus Dei'.
Tried it on news.google.com and got nothing.
So I tried it on cnn.com and got nothing.
Once again, I can't find a *Single* shred of evidence to support
the claim that you're not making this ***** up as you go along.
You can always comment when you've time to read upon the news.
That's the thing about invisible news, it takes a long time to read.
I mean, how do you know when you're finished?
Individual Catholics aren't the issue.
It's pretty clear that the issue is a very deep emotional problem
on your part.
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic press attacks call for Pope to apologise to Templars |
10 Dec 2004 05:14:48 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
Allowences for the fact that I have no idea what you're getting
at with your "theoconservatives"....
You can always read upon news stories about theoconservatives
and 'Opus Dei'.
Tried it on news.google.com and got nothing.
So I tried it on cnn.com and got nothing.
Once again, I can't find a *Single* shred of evidence to support
the claim that you're not making this ***** up as you go along.
Google news still seems to work. Are you using the Vatican server?
Opus Dei
http://news.google.com/news?q=%22Opus%20Dei%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wn
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Opus+Dei%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&tab=nw&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
Theoconservatives
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=18510aff.0411081416.7b718c6b%40posting.google.com
You can always comment when you've time to read upon the news.
That's the thing about invisible news, it takes a long time to read.
I mean, how do you know when you're finished?
Ask the Vatican. Evasion won't save the Vatican, Opus Dei or the
theoconservatives.
Individual Catholics aren't the issue.
It's pretty clear that the issue is a very deep emotional problem
on your part.
But it won't be me who'll bring any charges. It's the victims and or
their estates who'll bring the charges from the present as well as for
any crimes committed in the past.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic press attacks call for Pope to apologise to Templars |
13 Dec 2004 01:32:37 PM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
You can always read upon news stories about theoconservatives
and 'Opus Dei'.
Tried it on news.google.com and got nothing.
So I tried it on cnn.com and got nothing.
Once again, I can't find a *Single* shred of evidence to support
the claim that you're not making this ***** up as you go along.
Google news still seems to work.
Great. So why can't you post a cite from news.google.com, instead
of URLs to some randomly chosen usenet postings on the google
archive?
This shouldn't be difficult.
Seriously.
I don't know why you keep failing, but if you explain the situation,
maybe I can point out the issue.
You keep posting the URLs to random usenet threads -- and even
sometimes to whole newsgroups -- because.... ???
You can't cut & paste a quote because.... ????
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic press attacks call for Pope to apologise to Templars |
16 Dec 2004 05:02:32 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
You can always read upon news stories about theoconservatives
and 'Opus Dei'.
Tried it on news.google.com and got nothing.
So I tried it on cnn.com and got nothing.
Once again, I can't find a *Single* shred of evidence to support
the claim that you're not making this ***** up as you go along.
Google news still seems to work.
Great. So why can't you post a cite from news.google.com, instead
of URLs to some randomly chosen usenet postings on the google
archive?
This shouldn't be difficult.
Seriously.
I don't know why you keep failing, but if you explain the situation,
maybe I can point out the issue.
You keep posting the URLs to random usenet threads -- and even
sometimes to whole newsgroups -- because.... ???
You can't cut & paste a quote because.... ????
Because Vatican is preparing to appear before the International
Criminal Court along with JTEM.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic press attacks call for Pope to apologise to Templars |
16 Dec 2004 08:10:06 AM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
Because Vatican is preparing to appear before the
International Criminal Court along with JTEM.
I like your tinfoil hat.
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Catholic press attacks call for Pope to apologise to Templars |
16 Dec 2004 03:16:44 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
Because Vatican is preparing to appear before the
International Criminal Court along with JTEM.
I like your tinfoil hat.
If Vatican, Opus Dei and theoconservative fascists are going sacrifice
their lives and monies for the cause then by all means go for it.
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