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"Dave Lister" |
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11 Nov 2004 10:10:25 PM |
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Catholics and the holocaust |
Ever notice how the Catholic culties get real quiet when the truth of the
church and their response to the holocaust comes up?
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics and the holocaust |
12 Nov 2004 11:44:14 PM |
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(David) wrote in
news:3b0a6dae.0411121436.13fd657b@posting.google.com:
Dave Lister <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It is far more likely that the Catholic Church wasn't all that upset
about the loss of the Jews. After all, they had worked on the problem
for hundreds of years without a "final solution".
Mentioning that little fact undermines your whole argument to the
point of collapse.
Nonsense.
The Church had hundreds of years of complete dominance in Europe, if
it had wanted to eliminate the Jews it would have done so, just like
it did to Mithraism and all the other religions that existed at the
end of the Roman era.
The church never had "complete" dominance of Europe. They also had a
problem eliminating completely a culture which is so clearly central to
the bible. That didn't stop the RCC from continual persecution of Jews
wherever and whenever possible.
The historically literate know the answer. The Church deliberately
protected Judaism, tolerating it like no other rival religion,
allowing the Jews to maintain their culture and thrive.
What crap. The RCC barely tolerated the Jews, and is in fact responsible
for the flourishing antisemitism in europe.Generations of Catholics were
taught that the "Jews killed Jesus". For much of this history the Jews
were forced to live in ghettos reserved for Jews, rather than among the
general population.
You have a funny definition of "thrive".
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| User: "Stephen Gallagher" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics and the holocaust |
16 Nov 2004 07:00:18 AM |
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(snip)
What crap. The RCC barely tolerated the Jews, and is in fact responsible
for the flourishing antisemitism in europe.Generations of Catholics were
taught that the "Jews killed Jesus". For much of this history the Jews
were forced to live in ghettos reserved for Jews, rather than among the
general population.
I grew up and attended Catholic school from kindergarten
through high school. We were NEVER taught that "the Jews" killed
Jesus. Yes, many people involved in Jesus' death were Jewish. Many
were Romans. The religion, ethnicity, call it what you want, of the people
involved is not what was emphasized.
Plus, we know that Jesus forgave the people responsible, for they knew
not what they did.
Stephen Gallagher
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics and the holocaust |
16 Nov 2004 09:30:07 PM |
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(Stephen Gallagher) wrote in
news:64faa06d.0411160500.7bc05af6@posting.google.com:
(snip)
What crap. The RCC barely tolerated the Jews, and is in fact
responsible for the flourishing antisemitism in europe.Generations of
Catholics were taught that the "Jews killed Jesus". For much of this
history the Jews were forced to live in ghettos reserved for Jews,
rather than among the general population.
I grew up and attended Catholic school from kindergarten
through high school. We were NEVER taught that "the Jews" killed
Jesus. Yes, many people involved in Jesus' death were Jewish. Many
were Romans. The religion, ethnicity, call it what you want, of the
people involved is not what was emphasized.
I am sure that became true in the latter half of the 20th century after the
holocaust. Prior to that anti-semitism was rampant through much of the
world, with the Catholics doing more than their fair share to keep it
stirred up.
Plus, we know that Jesus forgave the people responsible, for they knew
not what they did.
As I read it, they had to do what they did, else Jesus made the trip to
earth for no reason.
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Bush is not my President.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics and the holocaust |
16 Nov 2004 02:23:00 PM |
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On 16 Nov 2004 05:00:18 -0800, (Stephen
Gallagher) wrote:
(snip)
What crap. The RCC barely tolerated the Jews, and is in fact responsible
for the flourishing antisemitism in europe.Generations of Catholics were
taught that the "Jews killed Jesus". For much of this history the Jews
were forced to live in ghettos reserved for Jews, rather than among the
general population.
I grew up and attended Catholic school from kindergarten
through high school. We were NEVER taught that "the Jews" killed
Jesus.
I was. The custom in the US was never as intense or as universal as
it was in Europe. The Church in Europe was quite openly anti-Semetic,
and people were taught that Jews were a cursed people. This is no
longer done, but it was quite common up until the 60's.
Yes, many people involved in Jesus' death were Jewish. Many
were Romans. The religion, ethnicity, call it what you want, of the people
involved is not what was emphasized.
Plus, we know that Jesus forgave the people responsible, for they knew
not what they did.
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because they had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea by
quoting the Bible.
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics and the holocaust |
17 Nov 2004 09:00:00 AM |
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:23:00 -0600, thomas p wrote
(in article <1rlkp0hb65jeuu7i4m0vs64k3qkqce0v7o@4ax.com>):
On 16 Nov 2004 05:00:18 -0800, (Stephen
Gallagher) wrote:
(snip)
What crap. The RCC barely tolerated the Jews, and is in fact responsible
for the flourishing antisemitism in europe.Generations of Catholics were
taught that the "Jews killed Jesus". For much of this history the Jews
were forced to live in ghettos reserved for Jews, rather than among the
general population.
I grew up and attended Catholic school from kindergarten
through high school. We were NEVER taught that "the Jews" killed
Jesus.
I was. The custom in the US was never as intense or as universal as
it was in Europe. The Church in Europe was quite openly anti-Semetic,
and people were taught that Jews were a cursed people. This is no
longer done, but it was quite common up until the 60's.
I went through Catholic school during the 50's, and it was what I heard from
the nuns and some of the priests then.
Yes, many people involved in Jesus' death were Jewish. Many
were Romans. The religion, ethnicity, call it what you want, of the people
involved is not what was emphasized.
Plus, we know that Jesus forgave the people responsible, for they knew
not what they did.
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because they had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea by
quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³The universe is bigger than me. It doesn't care about me. That's fine --
because I care about me. I'd like to continue to do the things I do, and to
do other things as well. So these things will eventually end. It still
matters to me that they happen.
The realization that life belongs to me, and not to some god or some
minister, and that I could decide what to make of it -- that was a truly
liberating moment for me.³-Eyelessgame
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics and the holocaust |
17 Nov 2004 02:07:08 PM |
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:00:00 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:23:00 -0600, thomas p wrote
(in article <1rlkp0hb65jeuu7i4m0vs64k3qkqce0v7o@4ax.com>):
On 16 Nov 2004 05:00:18 -0800, (Stephen
Gallagher) wrote:
(snip)
What crap. The RCC barely tolerated the Jews, and is in fact responsible
for the flourishing antisemitism in europe.Generations of Catholics were
taught that the "Jews killed Jesus". For much of this history the Jews
were forced to live in ghettos reserved for Jews, rather than among the
general population.
I grew up and attended Catholic school from kindergarten
through high school. We were NEVER taught that "the Jews" killed
Jesus.
I was. The custom in the US was never as intense or as universal as
it was in Europe. The Church in Europe was quite openly anti-Semetic,
and people were taught that Jews were a cursed people. This is no
longer done, but it was quite common up until the 60's.
I went through Catholic school during the 50's, and it was what I heard from
the nuns and some of the priests then.
Yes, many people involved in Jesus' death were Jewish. Many
were Romans. The religion, ethnicity, call it what you want, of the people
involved is not what was emphasized.
Plus, we know that Jesus forgave the people responsible, for they knew
not what they did.
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because they had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea by
quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in response to
the above?
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics and the holocaust |
17 Nov 2004 04:02:13 PM |
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"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:c2anp0p64tno41bgm7on1d86vlbgp4u0mk@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:00:00 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:23:00 -0600, thomas p wrote
(in article <1rlkp0hb65jeuu7i4m0vs64k3qkqce0v7o@4ax.com>):
On 16 Nov 2004 05:00:18 -0800, (Stephen
Gallagher) wrote:
(snip)
What crap. The RCC barely tolerated the Jews, and is in fact
responsible
for the flourishing antisemitism in europe.Generations of Catholics
were
taught that the "Jews killed Jesus". For much of this history the Jews
were forced to live in ghettos reserved for Jews, rather than among
the
general population.
I grew up and attended Catholic school from kindergarten
through high school. We were NEVER taught that "the Jews" killed
Jesus.
I was. The custom in the US was never as intense or as universal as
it was in Europe. The Church in Europe was quite openly anti-Semetic,
and people were taught that Jews were a cursed people. This is no
longer done, but it was quite common up until the 60's.
I went through Catholic school during the 50's, and it was what I heard
from
the nuns and some of the priests then.
Yes, many people involved in Jesus' death were Jewish. Many
were Romans. The religion, ethnicity, call it what you want, of the
people
involved is not what was emphasized.
Plus, we know that Jesus forgave the people responsible, for they knew
not what they did.
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because they had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea by
quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in response to
the above?
I was never taught any such thing. I was taught that since we all sinned, we
all killed Jesus.
I guess it depends upon what kind of nun you're quoting. But they're not
infallible anyway.
BAM
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics and the holocaust |
17 Nov 2004 08:14:04 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
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I was never taught any such thing. I was taught that since we all
sinned, we all killed Jesus.
Maybe but then you are only five years old.
I guess it depends upon what kind of nun you're quoting. But they're
not infallible anyway.
It was commonplace in the church.
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Bush is not my President.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics and the holocaust |
18 Nov 2004 01:16:06 AM |
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:02:13 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:c2anp0p64tno41bgm7on1d86vlbgp4u0mk@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:00:00 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
snip
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because they had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea by
quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in response to
the above?
I was never taught any such thing. I was taught that since we all sinned, we
all killed Jesus.
I guess it depends upon what kind of nun you're quoting. But they're not
infallible anyway.
Until the time of Pope John it was the position of the Church not
individual nuns.
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics and the holocaust |
18 Nov 2004 12:13:35 PM |
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"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:8giop0lhh2bs4njrpfj600sr8l0lcghj4o@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:02:13 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:c2anp0p64tno41bgm7on1d86vlbgp4u0mk@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:00:00 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
snip
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because they had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea by
quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in response to
the above?
I was never taught any such thing. I was taught that since we all sinned,
we
all killed Jesus.
I guess it depends upon what kind of nun you're quoting. But they're not
infallible anyway.
Until the time of Pope John it was the position of the Church not
individual nuns.
References?
BAM
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| User: "thomas p" |
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18 Nov 2004 05:11:21 PM |
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:13:35 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:8giop0lhh2bs4njrpfj600sr8l0lcghj4o@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:02:13 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:c2anp0p64tno41bgm7on1d86vlbgp4u0mk@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:00:00 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
snip
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because they had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea by
quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in response to
the above?
I was never taught any such thing. I was taught that since we all sinned,
we
all killed Jesus.
I guess it depends upon what kind of nun you're quoting. But they're not
infallible anyway.
Until the time of Pope John it was the position of the Church not
individual nuns.
References?
Ask a few people who attended Catholic school in the 50's. Look up
Pope John's apology to the Jews. It should be easy enough to find.
As a good Catholic surely you have heard of the apology.
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics and the holocaust |
19 Nov 2004 02:03:22 AM |
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"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:tvvpp0t0ktimkefi7avt18o294dn119mej@4ax.com...
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:13:35 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:8giop0lhh2bs4njrpfj600sr8l0lcghj4o@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:02:13 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:c2anp0p64tno41bgm7on1d86vlbgp4u0mk@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:00:00 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
snip
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because they
had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea by
quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in response to
the above?
I was never taught any such thing. I was taught that since we all
sinned,
we
all killed Jesus.
I guess it depends upon what kind of nun you're quoting. But they're not
infallible anyway.
Until the time of Pope John it was the position of the Church not
individual nuns.
References?
Ask a few people who attended Catholic school in the 50's. Look up
Pope John's apology to the Jews. It should be easy enough to find.
As a good Catholic surely you have heard of the apology.
No references - as expected.
BAM
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics and the holocaust |
19 Nov 2004 07:01:24 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
news:3Nhnd.37349$IQ.7094@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:tvvpp0t0ktimkefi7avt18o294dn119mej@4ax.com...
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:13:35 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:8giop0lhh2bs4njrpfj600sr8l0lcghj4o@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:02:13 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:c2anp0p64tno41bgm7on1d86vlbgp4u0mk@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:00:00 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
snip
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because
they had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea
by quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in response
to the above?
I was never taught any such thing. I was taught that since we all
sinned,
we
all killed Jesus.
I guess it depends upon what kind of nun you're quoting. But
they're not infallible anyway.
Until the time of Pope John it was the position of the Church not
individual nuns.
References?
Ask a few people who attended Catholic school in the 50's. Look up
Pope John's apology to the Jews. It should be easy enough to find.
As a good Catholic surely you have heard of the apology.
No references - as expected.
He gave you references, loon, just not online references. Go ask an old
priest.
--
Bush is not my President.
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| User: "bam" |
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19 Nov 2004 10:35:29 PM |
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"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95A6AD2EFD682retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
news:3Nhnd.37349$IQ.7094@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:tvvpp0t0ktimkefi7avt18o294dn119mej@4ax.com...
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:13:35 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:8giop0lhh2bs4njrpfj600sr8l0lcghj4o@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:02:13 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:c2anp0p64tno41bgm7on1d86vlbgp4u0mk@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:00:00 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
snip
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because
they had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea
by quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in response
to the above?
I was never taught any such thing. I was taught that since we all
sinned,
we
all killed Jesus.
I guess it depends upon what kind of nun you're quoting. But
they're not infallible anyway.
Until the time of Pope John it was the position of the Church not
individual nuns.
References?
Ask a few people who attended Catholic school in the 50's. Look up
Pope John's apology to the Jews. It should be easy enough to find.
As a good Catholic surely you have heard of the apology.
No references - as expected.
He gave you references, loon, just not online references. Go ask an old
priest.
Quiet, lamebrain.
BAM
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics and the holocaust |
19 Nov 2004 10:55:58 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in news:xQznd.33113
$jE2.20786@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95A6AD2EFD682retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
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"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:13:35 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:8giop0lhh2bs4njrpfj600sr8l0lcghj4o@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:02:13 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:c2anp0p64tno41bgm7on1d86vlbgp4u0mk@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:00:00 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
snip
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because
they had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea
by quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in
response
to the above?
I was never taught any such thing. I was taught that since we all
sinned,
we
all killed Jesus.
I guess it depends upon what kind of nun you're quoting. But
they're not infallible anyway.
Until the time of Pope John it was the position of the Church not
individual nuns.
References?
Ask a few people who attended Catholic school in the 50's. Look up
Pope John's apology to the Jews. It should be easy enough to find.
As a good Catholic surely you have heard of the apology.
No references - as expected.
He gave you references, loon, just not online references. Go ask an
old
priest.
Quiet, lamebrain.
Says the genius among RC culties.
--
Bush is not my President.
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20 Nov 2004 09:48:57 AM |
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 03:03:22 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:tvvpp0t0ktimkefi7avt18o294dn119mej@4ax.com...
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:13:35 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:8giop0lhh2bs4njrpfj600sr8l0lcghj4o@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:02:13 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:c2anp0p64tno41bgm7on1d86vlbgp4u0mk@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:00:00 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
snip
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because they
had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea by
quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in response to
the above?
I was never taught any such thing. I was taught that since we all
sinned,
we
all killed Jesus.
I guess it depends upon what kind of nun you're quoting. But they're not
infallible anyway.
Until the time of Pope John it was the position of the Church not
individual nuns.
References?
Ask a few people who attended Catholic school in the 50's. Look up
Pope John's apology to the Jews. It should be easy enough to find.
As a good Catholic surely you have heard of the apology.
No references - as expected.
I, in fact, gave you a reference. Look up Pope John and his apology
to the Jews. It will be quite simple to find. It took place in the
mid 60's. There was a great deal of talk about it among Church
circles, the secular press, and even the governmnet of Israel
commented on it publicly. It is not an obscure event.
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20 Nov 2004 12:00:39 PM |
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"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote
I, in fact, gave you a reference. Look up Pope John and his apology
to the Jews. It will be quite simple to find. It took place in the
mid 60's. There was a great deal of talk about it among Church
circles, the secular press, and even the governmnet of Israel
commented on it publicly. It is not an obscure event.
Thanks for the late breaking news. And what did the Pope confess to exactly?
And we were speaking of your last Confession, Mr. "no axe to grind"
Catholic?
BAM
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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17 Nov 2004 05:48:09 PM |
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:07:08 -0600, thomas p wrote
(in article <c2anp0p64tno41bgm7on1d86vlbgp4u0mk@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:00:00 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:23:00 -0600, thomas p wrote
(in article <1rlkp0hb65jeuu7i4m0vs64k3qkqce0v7o@4ax.com>):
On 16 Nov 2004 05:00:18 -0800, (Stephen
Gallagher) wrote:
(snip)
What crap. The RCC barely tolerated the Jews, and is in fact responsible
for the flourishing antisemitism in europe.Generations of Catholics were
taught that the "Jews killed Jesus". For much of this history the Jews
were forced to live in ghettos reserved for Jews, rather than among the
general population.
I grew up and attended Catholic school from kindergarten
through high school. We were NEVER taught that "the Jews" killed
Jesus.
I was. The custom in the US was never as intense or as universal as
it was in Europe. The Church in Europe was quite openly anti-Semetic,
and people were taught that Jews were a cursed people. This is no
longer done, but it was quite common up until the 60's.
I went through Catholic school during the 50's, and it was what I heard
from
the nuns and some of the priests then.
Yes, many people involved in Jesus' death were Jewish. Many
were Romans. The religion, ethnicity, call it what you want, of the
people
involved is not what was emphasized.
Plus, we know that Jesus forgave the people responsible, for they knew
not what they did.
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because they had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea by
quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in response to
the above?
Yes, I do notice it is awfully quiet from that section.
--
Harry F. Leopold
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The Prints of Darkness
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17 Nov 2004 06:00:50 PM |
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"Harry F. Leopold" <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDC13F590047FFB3F02845B0@news.central.cox.net...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:07:08 -0600, thomas p wrote
(in article <c2anp0p64tno41bgm7on1d86vlbgp4u0mk@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:00:00 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:23:00 -0600, thomas p wrote
(in article <1rlkp0hb65jeuu7i4m0vs64k3qkqce0v7o@4ax.com>):
On 16 Nov 2004 05:00:18 -0800, (Stephen
Gallagher) wrote:
(snip)
What crap. The RCC barely tolerated the Jews, and is in fact
responsible
for the flourishing antisemitism in europe.Generations of Catholics
were
taught that the "Jews killed Jesus". For much of this history the
Jews
were forced to live in ghettos reserved for Jews, rather than among
the
general population.
I grew up and attended Catholic school from kindergarten
through high school. We were NEVER taught that "the Jews" killed
Jesus.
I was. The custom in the US was never as intense or as universal as
it was in Europe. The Church in Europe was quite openly anti-Semetic,
and people were taught that Jews were a cursed people. This is no
longer done, but it was quite common up until the 60's.
I went through Catholic school during the 50's, and it was what I heard
from
the nuns and some of the priests then.
Yes, many people involved in Jesus' death were Jewish. Many
were Romans. The religion, ethnicity, call it what you want, of the
people
involved is not what was emphasized.
Plus, we know that Jesus forgave the people responsible, for they knew
not what they did.
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because they had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea by
quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in response to
the above?
Yes, I do notice it is awfully quiet from that section.
Amazing how inconsistent you are in your "burden of proof" requirements. If
it's something that you believe that no one contests, you claim that the
proof is in the silence. If it's something you don't believe, and we bury
you with references to the contrary, you still won't move you one iota from
your original posture. So what's the sense?
BAM
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18 Nov 2004 01:16:06 AM |
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:00:50 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Harry F. Leopold" <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDC13F590047FFB3F02845B0@news.central.cox.net...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:07:08 -0600, thomas p wrote
(in article <c2anp0p64tno41bgm7on1d86vlbgp4u0mk@4ax.com>):
snip
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because they had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea by
quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in response to
the above?
Yes, I do notice it is awfully quiet from that section.
Amazing how inconsistent you are in your "burden of proof" requirements. If
it's something that you believe that no one contests, you claim that the
proof is in the silence. If it's something you don't believe, and we bury
you with references to the contrary, you still won't move you one iota from
your original posture. So what's the sense?
We were reporting personal experiences. Talk to Catholics who
attended Catholic schools in the 50's and earlier. The terrible
suffering the Jews suffered throughout history was explained by saying
they were cursed because they had killed Christ. The Bible verse used
was:
Matthew chapter 27, verse 25: "And all the people answered and said,
'His blood be on us and on our children.'"
The Catholic Church was not the only Church that taught that the Jews
were cursed or that used that verse, but they did teach it and they
did use that verse.
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| User: "bam" |
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18 Nov 2004 12:14:24 PM |
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"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:hhiop09v6rm09u5nh2g0kraa2bbb1teltl@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:00:50 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Harry F. Leopold" <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDC13F590047FFB3F02845B0@news.central.cox.net...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:07:08 -0600, thomas p wrote
(in article <c2anp0p64tno41bgm7on1d86vlbgp4u0mk@4ax.com>):
snip
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because they
had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea by
quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in response to
the above?
Yes, I do notice it is awfully quiet from that section.
Amazing how inconsistent you are in your "burden of proof" requirements.
If
it's something that you believe that no one contests, you claim that the
proof is in the silence. If it's something you don't believe, and we bury
you with references to the contrary, you still won't move you one iota
from
your original posture. So what's the sense?
We were reporting personal experiences. Talk to Catholics who
attended Catholic schools in the 50's and earlier. The terrible
suffering the Jews suffered throughout history was explained by saying
they were cursed because they had killed Christ. The Bible verse used
was:
When did you last go to Confession, thomas?
BAM
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| User: "thomas p" |
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18 Nov 2004 05:11:21 PM |
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:14:24 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:hhiop09v6rm09u5nh2g0kraa2bbb1teltl@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:00:50 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Harry F. Leopold" <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDC13F590047FFB3F02845B0@news.central.cox.net...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:07:08 -0600, thomas p wrote
(in article <c2anp0p64tno41bgm7on1d86vlbgp4u0mk@4ax.com>):
snip
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because they
had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea by
quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in response to
the above?
Yes, I do notice it is awfully quiet from that section.
Amazing how inconsistent you are in your "burden of proof" requirements.
If
it's something that you believe that no one contests, you claim that the
proof is in the silence. If it's something you don't believe, and we bury
you with references to the contrary, you still won't move you one iota
from
your original posture. So what's the sense?
We were reporting personal experiences. Talk to Catholics who
attended Catholic schools in the 50's and earlier. The terrible
suffering the Jews suffered throughout history was explained by saying
they were cursed because they had killed Christ. The Bible verse used
was:
When did you last go to Confession, thomas?
That is irrelevant as well as being none of your business.
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| User: "bam" |
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19 Nov 2004 02:03:49 AM |
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"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:d40qp0tvdusfj4qbs3jc5vnqtp6nu82qkm@4ax.com...
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:14:24 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:hhiop09v6rm09u5nh2g0kraa2bbb1teltl@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:00:50 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Harry F. Leopold" <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDC13F590047FFB3F02845B0@news.central.cox.net...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:07:08 -0600, thomas p wrote
(in article <c2anp0p64tno41bgm7on1d86vlbgp4u0mk@4ax.com>):
snip
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because they
had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea by
quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in response to
the above?
Yes, I do notice it is awfully quiet from that section.
Amazing how inconsistent you are in your "burden of proof" requirements.
If
it's something that you believe that no one contests, you claim that the
proof is in the silence. If it's something you don't believe, and we
bury
you with references to the contrary, you still won't move you one iota
from
your original posture. So what's the sense?
We were reporting personal experiences. Talk to Catholics who
attended Catholic schools in the 50's and earlier. The terrible
suffering the Jews suffered throughout history was explained by saying
they were cursed because they had killed Christ. The Bible verse used
was:
When did you last go to Confession, thomas?
That is irrelevant as well as being none of your business.
Chicken.
BAM
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics and the holocaust |
19 Nov 2004 07:02:06 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
news:uNhnd.37351$IQ.3229@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:d40qp0tvdusfj4qbs3jc5vnqtp6nu82qkm@4ax.com...
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:14:24 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:hhiop09v6rm09u5nh2g0kraa2bbb1teltl@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:00:50 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Harry F. Leopold" <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDC13F590047FFB3F02845B0@news.central.cox.net...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:07:08 -0600, thomas p wrote
(in article <c2anp0p64tno41bgm7on1d86vlbgp4u0mk@4ax.com>):
snip
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because
they had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea
by quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in response
to the above?
Yes, I do notice it is awfully quiet from that section.
Amazing how inconsistent you are in your "burden of proof"
requirements. If
it's something that you believe that no one contests, you claim
that the proof is in the silence. If it's something you don't
believe, and we bury
you with references to the contrary, you still won't move you one
iota from
your original posture. So what's the sense?
We were reporting personal experiences. Talk to Catholics who
attended Catholic schools in the 50's and earlier. The terrible
suffering the Jews suffered throughout history was explained by
saying they were cursed because they had killed Christ. The Bible
verse used was:
When did you last go to Confession, thomas?
That is irrelevant as well as being none of your business.
Chicken.
Retard.
--
Bush is not my President.
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19 Nov 2004 10:36:16 PM |
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"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95A6AD4CD6D33retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
news:uNhnd.37351$IQ.3229@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:d40qp0tvdusfj4qbs3jc5vnqtp6nu82qkm@4ax.com...
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:14:24 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:hhiop09v6rm09u5nh2g0kraa2bbb1teltl@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:00:50 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Harry F. Leopold" <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDC13F590047FFB3F02845B0@news.central.cox.net...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:07:08 -0600, thomas p wrote
(in article <c2anp0p64tno41bgm7on1d86vlbgp4u0mk@4ax.com>):
snip
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because
they had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea
by quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in response
to the above?
Yes, I do notice it is awfully quiet from that section.
Amazing how inconsistent you are in your "burden of proof"
requirements. If
it's something that you believe that no one contests, you claim
that the proof is in the silence. If it's something you don't
believe, and we bury
you with references to the contrary, you still won't move you one
iota from
your original posture. So what's the sense?
We were reporting personal experiences. Talk to Catholics who
attended Catholic schools in the 50's and earlier. The terrible
suffering the Jews suffered throughout history was explained by
saying they were cursed because they had killed Christ. The Bible
verse used was:
When did you last go to Confession, thomas?
That is irrelevant as well as being none of your business.
Chicken.
Retard.
Chicken.
BAM
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20 Nov 2004 09:48:58 AM |
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 03:03:49 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:d40qp0tvdusfj4qbs3jc5vnqtp6nu82qkm@4ax.com...
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:14:24 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:hhiop09v6rm09u5nh2g0kraa2bbb1teltl@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:00:50 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Harry F. Leopold" <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDC13F590047FFB3F02845B0@news.central.cox.net...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:07:08 -0600, thomas p wrote
(in article <c2anp0p64tno41bgm7on1d86vlbgp4u0mk@4ax.com>):
snip
The nuns taught me that the Jews were a cursed people because they
had
killed Jesus. I have heard priests and nuns justify the idea by
quoting the Bible.
Yes, I was told the same when I was in Catholic school.
Do you notice the silence from the Church apologists in response to
the above?
Yes, I do notice it is awfully quiet from that section.
Amazing how inconsistent you are in your "burden of proof" requirements.
If
it's something that you believe that no one contests, you claim that the
proof is in the silence. If it's something you don't believe, and we
bury
you with references to the contrary, you still won't move you one iota
from
your original posture. So what's the sense?
We were reporting personal experiences. Talk to Catholics who
attended Catholic schools in the 50's and earlier. The terrible
suffering the Jews suffered throughout history was explained by saying
they were cursed because they had killed Christ. The Bible verse used
was:
When did you last go to Confession, thomas?
That is irrelevant as well as being none of your business.
Chicken.
You are being childish and rude. I would appreciate it if we could
limit the discussion to the actual subject and not stoop to
meaningless personal attacks.
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| User: "bam" |
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20 Nov 2004 12:01:40 PM |
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"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote
When did you last go to Confession, thomas?
That is irrelevant as well as being none of your business.
Chicken.
You are being childish and rude. I would appreciate it if we could
limit the discussion to the actual subject and not stoop to
meaningless personal attacks.
Don't talk to me until after you've gone to Confession.
BAM
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| User: "thomas p" |
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21 Nov 2004 07:50:47 AM |
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:01:40 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote
When did you last go to Confession, thomas?
That is irrelevant as well as being none of your business.
Chicken.
You are being childish and rude. I would appreciate it if we could
limit the discussion to the actual subject and not stoop to
meaningless personal attacks.
Don't talk to me until after you've gone to Confession.
BAM
Perhaps you will have something relevant to say later. I look forward
to it.
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics and the holocaust |
22 Nov 2004 12:53:28 AM |
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"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:cpo0q0l0m52k9n64bbkpujuro6df9fsdps@4ax.com...
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:01:40 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote
When did you last go to Confession, thomas?
That is irrelevant as well as being none of your business.
Chicken.
You are being childish and rude. I would appreciate it if we could
limit the discussion to the actual subject and not stoop to
meaningless personal attacks.
Don't talk to me until after you've gone to Confession.
BAM
Perhaps you will have something relevant to say later. I look forward
to it.
Perhaps not.
BAM
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| User: "thomas p" |
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22 Nov 2004 03:25:17 PM |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:53:28 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:cpo0q0l0m52k9n64bbkpujuro6df9fsdps@4ax.com...
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:01:40 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote
When did you last go to Confession, thomas?
That is irrelevant as well as being none of your business.
Chicken.
You are being childish and rude. I would appreciate it if we could
limit the discussion to the actual subject and not stoop to
meaningless personal attacks.
Don't talk to me until after you've gone to Confession.
BAM
Perhaps you will have something relevant to say later. I look forward
to it.
Perhaps not.
How refreshingly honest of you to admit it.
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