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"johac" |
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24 Nov 2005 07:28:16 AM |
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Catholics Disagree Over New Vatican Decree |
One priest claims that as many as 25 to 50% of Catholic priests are gay.
Although that figure is disputed, it is still mind bobbling that so many
gays are admitted into the priesthood by a religion that officially
condemns homosexuality.
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Catholics Disagree Over New Vatican Decree
By RICHARD N. OSTLING, AP Religion WriterWed Nov 23, 4:52 PM ET
A new Vatican decree against gays in the priesthood has brought mixed
reactions from U.S. Roman Catholic observers, with some seeing notable
benefits and others predicting morale problems and a worsening clergy
shortage.
The decree, approved by Pope Benedict XVI, is set for release next week.
The Italian text was leaked Tuesday, and a Vatican official confirmed
its accuracy to The Associated Press.
It says men should not be admitted to seminaries or ordained as priests
if they practice homosexuality, have "deeply rooted homosexual
tendencies" or "support so-called gay culture." Those with only
"transitory" homosexual tendencies must be celibate three years before
being ordained as deacons, the step before priesthood.
Some observers said it will be difficult to define what is meant by
"deeply rooted" or "transitory" tendencies.
"I have no idea how they will apply it. It will just be a nightmare,"
said the Rev. Eugene Lauer of the New York-based National Pastoral Life
Center.
A prominent gay priest, speaking anonymously, said the dozen homosexual
clergy he has spoken with are "horrified" by the document.
The priest said that even emotionally mature gay men who are committed
to practicing celibacy "will be completely discouraged" from applying,
and gays already in the priesthood will be demoralized. Some clerics may
even quit, he said.
"Our seminaries are likely to be depopulated to a significant extent,"
said the Rev. Donald Cozzens of John Carroll University. He cited
estimates that put gay priests at 25 percent to 50 percent; Lauer
guessed that 10 percent is closer to the mark.
Cozzens also warned that "the hunters might turn out to be the hunted,"
meaning that there are gay priests among Vatican officials, bishops and
other church leaders.
But Brian Saint-Paul of Crisis magazine predicted little effect on the
number of priests because, he said, seminaries and younger priests have
become much more conservative the past two decades and moral liberalism
is declining. "That generation is passing," he said.
The Rev. Richard John Neuhaus of First Things magazine said there is
reason to believe that the decree will lead to a significant increase in
candidates, because many would-be priests have been turned off by "the
presence, and sometimes dominance, of a gay culture" in seminaries.
Neuhaus said the Vatican is basically reaffirming centuries of church
teaching, with the new implication that "this time we mean it."
Jason Berry, a journalist who has covered priestly sexual abuse scandals
since 1984, said the Vatican action was clearly prompted by the crisis
and by the fact that most U.S. cases have involved priests and teenage
boys.
"The priesthood is a huge closet. We all know that from the research
that's been done," he said. He said that the Vatican is avoiding the
central question of "Why can't the priesthood attract stable
heterosexuals?" The answer, he said, is the ban on married men as
priests.
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http://tinyurl.com/cpcc8
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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25 Nov 2005 12:15:01 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:28:16 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
One priest claims that as many as 25 to 50% of Catholic priests are gay.
Although that figure is disputed, it is still mind bobbling that so many
gays are admitted into the priesthood by a religion that officially
condemns homosexuality.
Now, one thing I don't understand. Aren't those geezers to take an
oath of CELIBACY?????
So, what's the [non!]fucking difference between a straight priest not
having sex and a gay priest not having sex?
If it really bothers them so much, why don't they simply castrate all
priests? Should solve the problem rather effectively.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Disagree Over New Vatican Decree |
25 Nov 2005 11:55:36 PM |
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In article <5mcbo1d008erii7totjbuv1q0o6liccgoo@4ax.com>,
Jos Flachs <xwcruise@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:28:16 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
One priest claims that as many as 25 to 50% of Catholic priests are gay.
Although that figure is disputed, it is still mind bobbling that so many
gays are admitted into the priesthood by a religion that officially
condemns homosexuality.
Now, one thing I don't understand. Aren't those geezers to take an
oath of CELIBACY?????
So, what's the [non!]fucking difference between a straight priest not
having sex and a gay priest not having sex?
I agree. As long as one is celbate, what difference does one's
orientation have? None I would think.
If it really bothers them so much, why don't they simply castrate all
priests? Should solve the problem rather effectively.
That would work, but they're having problems enough finding priests now.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Disagree Over New Vatican Decree |
26 Nov 2005 04:58:43 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:55:36 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <5mcbo1d008erii7totjbuv1q0o6liccgoo@4ax.com>,
Jos Flachs <xwcruise@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:28:16 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
One priest claims that as many as 25 to 50% of Catholic priests are gay.
Although that figure is disputed, it is still mind bobbling that so many
gays are admitted into the priesthood by a religion that officially
condemns homosexuality.
Now, one thing I don't understand. Aren't those geezers to take an
oath of CELIBACY?????
So, what's the [non!]fucking difference between a straight priest not
having sex and a gay priest not having sex?
I agree. As long as one is celbate, what difference does one's
orientation have? None I would think.
If it really bothers them so much, why don't they simply castrate all
priests? Should solve the problem rather effectively.
That would work, but they're having problems enough finding priests now.
1 Thess 5 verses 15-18. :D
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Disagree Over New Vatican Decree |
27 Nov 2005 06:51:32 AM |
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In article <f15ho1tc2hisniu20th4o70c24fbtfa26d@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:55:36 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <5mcbo1d008erii7totjbuv1q0o6liccgoo@4ax.com>,
Jos Flachs <xwcruise@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:28:16 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
One priest claims that as many as 25 to 50% of Catholic priests are gay.
Although that figure is disputed, it is still mind bobbling that so many
gays are admitted into the priesthood by a religion that officially
condemns homosexuality.
Now, one thing I don't understand. Aren't those geezers to take an
oath of CELIBACY?????
So, what's the [non!]fucking difference between a straight priest not
having sex and a gay priest not having sex?
I agree. As long as one is celbate, what difference does one's
orientation have? None I would think.
If it really bothers them so much, why don't they simply castrate all
priests? Should solve the problem rather effectively.
That would work, but they're having problems enough finding priests now.
1 Thess 5 verses 15-18. :D
At the rate they are going, it won't be too long before the last church
locks its doors. I hope that I'm still around to rejoice when that
happens.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Disagree Over New Vatican Decree |
27 Nov 2005 06:22:13 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:51:32 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <f15ho1tc2hisniu20th4o70c24fbtfa26d@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:55:36 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <5mcbo1d008erii7totjbuv1q0o6liccgoo@4ax.com>,
Jos Flachs <xwcruise@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:28:16 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
One priest claims that as many as 25 to 50% of Catholic priests are gay.
Although that figure is disputed, it is still mind bobbling that so many
gays are admitted into the priesthood by a religion that officially
condemns homosexuality.
Now, one thing I don't understand. Aren't those geezers to take an
oath of CELIBACY?????
So, what's the [non!]fucking difference between a straight priest not
having sex and a gay priest not having sex?
I agree. As long as one is celbate, what difference does one's
orientation have? None I would think.
If it really bothers them so much, why don't they simply castrate all
priests? Should solve the problem rather effectively.
That would work, but they're having problems enough finding priests now.
1 Thess 5 verses 15-18. :D
At the rate they are going, it won't be too long before the last church
locks its doors. I hope that I'm still around to rejoice when that
happens.
Last church in the US or world-wide? If the former, the chances are
slim-to-nun while the latter comes under 'ferghetaboudit.'
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Disagree Over New Vatican Decree |
28 Nov 2005 05:07:24 AM |
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In article <i8ujo113nolk4on1c1gnajh5diteo834fn@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:51:32 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <f15ho1tc2hisniu20th4o70c24fbtfa26d@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:55:36 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <5mcbo1d008erii7totjbuv1q0o6liccgoo@4ax.com>,
Jos Flachs <xwcruise@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:28:16 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
One priest claims that as many as 25 to 50% of Catholic priests are
gay.
Although that figure is disputed, it is still mind bobbling that so
many
gays are admitted into the priesthood by a religion that officially
condemns homosexuality.
Now, one thing I don't understand. Aren't those geezers to take an
oath of CELIBACY?????
So, what's the [non!]fucking difference between a straight priest not
having sex and a gay priest not having sex?
I agree. As long as one is celbate, what difference does one's
orientation have? None I would think.
If it really bothers them so much, why don't they simply castrate all
priests? Should solve the problem rather effectively.
That would work, but they're having problems enough finding priests now.
1 Thess 5 verses 15-18. :D
At the rate they are going, it won't be too long before the last church
locks its doors. I hope that I'm still around to rejoice when that
happens.
Last church in the US or world-wide? If the former, the chances are
slim-to-nun while the latter comes under 'ferghetaboudit.'
In the US. In addition to losing priests, the churches are going broke.
Not only are they losing money to all the lawsuits, but many are
leaving. Those taking their place tend to be poorer, especially new
immigrant to this country from Latin America and other poor countries.
As for the rest of the world, it may take a good while longer. However,
even in RCC strongholds such as Central and South America, Evangelical
Protestantism and even Islam are starting to make serious inroads. Of
course that may be just trading one disease for another.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Disagree Over New Vatican Decree |
28 Nov 2005 04:40:08 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:07:24 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <i8ujo113nolk4on1c1gnajh5diteo834fn@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:51:32 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <f15ho1tc2hisniu20th4o70c24fbtfa26d@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:55:36 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <5mcbo1d008erii7totjbuv1q0o6liccgoo@4ax.com>,
Jos Flachs <xwcruise@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:28:16 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
One priest claims that as many as 25 to 50% of Catholic priests are
gay.
Although that figure is disputed, it is still mind bobbling that so
many
gays are admitted into the priesthood by a religion that officially
condemns homosexuality.
Now, one thing I don't understand. Aren't those geezers to take an
oath of CELIBACY?????
So, what's the [non!]fucking difference between a straight priest not
having sex and a gay priest not having sex?
I agree. As long as one is celbate, what difference does one's
orientation have? None I would think.
If it really bothers them so much, why don't they simply castrate all
priests? Should solve the problem rather effectively.
That would work, but they're having problems enough finding priests now.
1 Thess 5 verses 15-18. :D
At the rate they are going, it won't be too long before the last church
locks its doors. I hope that I'm still around to rejoice when that
happens.
Last church in the US or world-wide? If the former, the chances are
slim-to-nun while the latter comes under 'ferghetaboudit.'
In the US. In addition to losing priests, the churches are going broke.
Not only are they losing money to all the lawsuits, but many are
leaving. Those taking their place tend to be poorer, especially new
immigrant to this country from Latin America and other poor countries.
As for the rest of the world, it may take a good while longer. However,
even in RCC strongholds such as Central and South America, Evangelical
Protestantism and even Islam are starting to make serious inroads. Of
course that may be just trading one disease for another.
Same disease, superstition, only the strain changes.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Disagree Over New Vatican Decree |
30 Nov 2005 06:06:56 AM |
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In article <jmcmo1tunc67m1aj03ahm3d583vj19olbc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:07:24 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <i8ujo113nolk4on1c1gnajh5diteo834fn@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:51:32 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <f15ho1tc2hisniu20th4o70c24fbtfa26d@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:55:36 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <5mcbo1d008erii7totjbuv1q0o6liccgoo@4ax.com>,
Jos Flachs <xwcruise@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:28:16 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
One priest claims that as many as 25 to 50% of Catholic priests are
gay.
Although that figure is disputed, it is still mind bobbling that so
many
gays are admitted into the priesthood by a religion that officially
condemns homosexuality.
Now, one thing I don't understand. Aren't those geezers to take an
oath of CELIBACY?????
So, what's the [non!]fucking difference between a straight priest
not
having sex and a gay priest not having sex?
I agree. As long as one is celbate, what difference does one's
orientation have? None I would think.
If it really bothers them so much, why don't they simply castrate
all
priests? Should solve the problem rather effectively.
That would work, but they're having problems enough finding priests
now.
1 Thess 5 verses 15-18. :D
At the rate they are going, it won't be too long before the last church
locks its doors. I hope that I'm still around to rejoice when that
happens.
Last church in the US or world-wide? If the former, the chances are
slim-to-nun while the latter comes under 'ferghetaboudit.'
In the US. In addition to losing priests, the churches are going broke.
Not only are they losing money to all the lawsuits, but many are
leaving. Those taking their place tend to be poorer, especially new
immigrant to this country from Latin America and other poor countries.
As for the rest of the world, it may take a good while longer. However,
even in RCC strongholds such as Central and South America, Evangelical
Protestantism and even Islam are starting to make serious inroads. Of
course that may be just trading one disease for another.
Same disease, superstition, only the strain changes.
And all highly virulent.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Disagree Over New Vatican Decree |
01 Dec 2005 07:08:53 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:06:56 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <jmcmo1tunc67m1aj03ahm3d583vj19olbc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
If it really bothers them so much, why don't they simply castrate
all
priests? Should solve the problem rather effectively.
That would work, but they're having problems enough finding priests
now.
1 Thess 5 verses 15-18. :D
At the rate they are going, it won't be too long before the last church
locks its doors. I hope that I'm still around to rejoice when that
happens.
Last church in the US or world-wide? If the former, the chances are
slim-to-nun while the latter comes under 'ferghetaboudit.'
In the US. In addition to losing priests, the churches are going broke.
Not only are they losing money to all the lawsuits, but many are
leaving. Those taking their place tend to be poorer, especially new
immigrant to this country from Latin America and other poor countries.
As for the rest of the world, it may take a good while longer. However,
even in RCC strongholds such as Central and South America, Evangelical
Protestantism and even Islam are starting to make serious inroads. Of
course that may be just trading one disease for another.
Same disease, superstition, only the strain changes.
And all highly virulent.
That's putting it mildy.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Disagree Over New Vatican Decree |
02 Dec 2005 07:14:31 AM |
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In article <7hiuo1db390cs9s7t9a1460pnsiivafjgb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:06:56 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <jmcmo1tunc67m1aj03ahm3d583vj19olbc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
If it really bothers them so much, why don't they simply castrate
all
priests? Should solve the problem rather effectively.
That would work, but they're having problems enough finding priests
now.
1 Thess 5 verses 15-18. :D
At the rate they are going, it won't be too long before the last
church
locks its doors. I hope that I'm still around to rejoice when that
happens.
Last church in the US or world-wide? If the former, the chances are
slim-to-nun while the latter comes under 'ferghetaboudit.'
In the US. In addition to losing priests, the churches are going broke.
Not only are they losing money to all the lawsuits, but many are
leaving. Those taking their place tend to be poorer, especially new
immigrant to this country from Latin America and other poor countries.
As for the rest of the world, it may take a good while longer. However,
even in RCC strongholds such as Central and South America, Evangelical
Protestantism and even Islam are starting to make serious inroads. Of
course that may be just trading one disease for another.
Same disease, superstition, only the strain changes.
And all highly virulent.
That's putting it mildy.
And sadly the only vaccines, intelligence and reason, are in short
supply, judging by recent world events.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Disagree Over New Vatican Decree |
02 Dec 2005 04:50:32 PM |
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On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:14:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <7hiuo1db390cs9s7t9a1460pnsiivafjgb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:06:56 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <jmcmo1tunc67m1aj03ahm3d583vj19olbc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
If it really bothers them so much, why don't they simply castrate
all
priests? Should solve the problem rather effectively.
That would work, but they're having problems enough finding priests
now.
1 Thess 5 verses 15-18. :D
At the rate they are going, it won't be too long before the last
church
locks its doors. I hope that I'm still around to rejoice when that
happens.
Last church in the US or world-wide? If the former, the chances are
slim-to-nun while the latter comes under 'ferghetaboudit.'
In the US. In addition to losing priests, the churches are going broke.
Not only are they losing money to all the lawsuits, but many are
leaving. Those taking their place tend to be poorer, especially new
immigrant to this country from Latin America and other poor countries.
As for the rest of the world, it may take a good while longer. However,
even in RCC strongholds such as Central and South America, Evangelical
Protestantism and even Islam are starting to make serious inroads. Of
course that may be just trading one disease for another.
Same disease, superstition, only the strain changes.
And all highly virulent.
That's putting it mildy.
And sadly the only vaccines, intelligence and reason, are in short
supply, judging by recent world events.
Education vanished about fifteen years ago in the general American
education system.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Disagree Over New Vatican Decree |
03 Dec 2005 07:26:36 AM |
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In article <9pu0p1p2s8frlumenfpai6nl9doi57jfcp@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:14:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <7hiuo1db390cs9s7t9a1460pnsiivafjgb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:06:56 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <jmcmo1tunc67m1aj03ahm3d583vj19olbc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
If it really bothers them so much, why don't they simply
castrate
all
priests? Should solve the problem rather effectively.
That would work, but they're having problems enough finding
priests
now.
1 Thess 5 verses 15-18. :D
At the rate they are going, it won't be too long before the last
church
locks its doors. I hope that I'm still around to rejoice when that
happens.
Last church in the US or world-wide? If the former, the chances are
slim-to-nun while the latter comes under 'ferghetaboudit.'
In the US. In addition to losing priests, the churches are going
broke.
Not only are they losing money to all the lawsuits, but many are
leaving. Those taking their place tend to be poorer, especially new
immigrant to this country from Latin America and other poor countries.
As for the rest of the world, it may take a good while longer.
However,
even in RCC strongholds such as Central and South America, Evangelical
Protestantism and even Islam are starting to make serious inroads. Of
course that may be just trading one disease for another.
Same disease, superstition, only the strain changes.
And all highly virulent.
That's putting it mildy.
And sadly the only vaccines, intelligence and reason, are in short
supply, judging by recent world events.
Education vanished about fifteen years ago in the general American
education system.
I think that the general 'dumbing down' of America started back in the
'80s not coincidentally with the rise of the Religious Reich.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| Title: Re: Catholics Disagree Over New Vatican Decree |
03 Dec 2005 05:06:05 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:26:36 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <9pu0p1p2s8frlumenfpai6nl9doi57jfcp@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:14:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <7hiuo1db390cs9s7t9a1460pnsiivafjgb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:06:56 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <jmcmo1tunc67m1aj03ahm3d583vj19olbc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
If it really bothers them so much, why don't they simply
castrate
all
priests? Should solve the problem rather effectively.
That would work, but they're having problems enough finding
priests
now.
1 Thess 5 verses 15-18. :D
At the rate they are going, it won't be too long before the last
church
locks its doors. I hope that I'm still around to rejoice when that
happens.
Last church in the US or world-wide? If the former, the chances are
slim-to-nun while the latter comes under 'ferghetaboudit.'
In the US. In addition to losing priests, the churches are going
broke.
Not only are they losing money to all the lawsuits, but many are
leaving. Those taking their place tend to be poorer, especially new
immigrant to this country from Latin America and other poor countries.
As for the rest of the world, it may take a good while longer.
However,
even in RCC strongholds such as Central and South America, Evangelical
Protestantism and even Islam are starting to make serious inroads. Of
course that may be just trading one disease for another.
Same disease, superstition, only the strain changes.
And all highly virulent.
That's putting it mildy.
And sadly the only vaccines, intelligence and reason, are in short
supply, judging by recent world events.
Education vanished about fifteen years ago in the general American
education system.
I think that the general 'dumbing down' of America started back in the
'80s not coincidentally with the rise of the Religious Reich.
I don't recall. All I can factor things from is when the B.S.
inflicted Oregon.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| Title: Re: Catholics Disagree Over New Vatican Decree |
04 Dec 2005 07:59:06 AM |
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In article <91k3p1tgp99mkfeidtla3nol1bkltj0dta@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:26:36 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <9pu0p1p2s8frlumenfpai6nl9doi57jfcp@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:14:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <7hiuo1db390cs9s7t9a1460pnsiivafjgb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:06:56 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <jmcmo1tunc67m1aj03ahm3d583vj19olbc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
If it really bothers them so much, why don't they simply
castrate
all
priests? Should solve the problem rather effectively.
That would work, but they're having problems enough finding
priests
now.
1 Thess 5 verses 15-18. :D
At the rate they are going, it won't be too long before the last
church
locks its doors. I hope that I'm still around to rejoice when
that
happens.
Last church in the US or world-wide? If the former, the chances
are
slim-to-nun while the latter comes under 'ferghetaboudit.'
In the US. In addition to losing priests, the churches are going
broke.
Not only are they losing money to all the lawsuits, but many are
leaving. Those taking their place tend to be poorer, especially new
immigrant to this country from Latin America and other poor
countries.
As for the rest of the world, it may take a good while longer.
However,
even in RCC strongholds such as Central and South America,
Evangelical
Protestantism and even Islam are starting to make serious inroads.
Of
course that may be just trading one disease for another.
Same disease, superstition, only the strain changes.
And all highly virulent.
That's putting it mildy.
And sadly the only vaccines, intelligence and reason, are in short
supply, judging by recent world events.
Education vanished about fifteen years ago in the general American
education system.
I think that the general 'dumbing down' of America started back in the
'80s not coincidentally with the rise of the Religious Reich.
I don't recall. All I can factor things from is when the B.S.
inflicted Oregon.
The Reaganites became very palsy walsy with the Reich. Pat Robertson
even ran for pres in 1988. Fortunately he crashed in the primaries or I
might be dead, in a camp, or off in the hills with the 'insurgents'.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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04 Dec 2005 05:17:23 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:59:06 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <91k3p1tgp99mkfeidtla3nol1bkltj0dta@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:26:36 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <9pu0p1p2s8frlumenfpai6nl9doi57jfcp@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
As for the rest of the world, it may take a good while longer.
However,
even in RCC strongholds such as Central and South America,
Evangelical
Protestantism and even Islam are starting to make serious inroads.
Of
course that may be just trading one disease for another.
Same disease, superstition, only the strain changes.
And all highly virulent.
That's putting it mildy.
And sadly the only vaccines, intelligence and reason, are in short
supply, judging by recent world events.
Education vanished about fifteen years ago in the general American
education system.
I think that the general 'dumbing down' of America started back in the
'80s not coincidentally with the rise of the Religious Reich.
I don't recall. All I can factor things from is when the B.S.
inflicted Oregon.
The Reaganites became very palsy walsy with the Reich. Pat Robertson
even ran for pres in 1988. Fortunately he crashed in the primaries or I
might be dead, in a camp, or off in the hills with the 'insurgents'.
Don't forget 'in a camp wishing you were dead.'
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| Title: Re: Catholics Disagree Over New Vatican Decree |
05 Dec 2005 05:25:01 AM |
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In article <a396p1t1e97l9c1uttn0f5mlj2r9cot4t2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:59:06 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <91k3p1tgp99mkfeidtla3nol1bkltj0dta@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:26:36 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <9pu0p1p2s8frlumenfpai6nl9doi57jfcp@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
As for the rest of the world, it may take a good while longer.
However,
even in RCC strongholds such as Central and South America,
Evangelical
Protestantism and even Islam are starting to make serious
inroads.
Of
course that may be just trading one disease for another.
Same disease, superstition, only the strain changes.
And all highly virulent.
That's putting it mildy.
And sadly the only vaccines, intelligence and reason, are in short
supply, judging by recent world events.
Education vanished about fifteen years ago in the general American
education system.
I think that the general 'dumbing down' of America started back in the
'80s not coincidentally with the rise of the Religious Reich.
I don't recall. All I can factor things from is when the B.S.
inflicted Oregon.
The Reaganites became very palsy walsy with the Reich. Pat Robertson
even ran for pres in 1988. Fortunately he crashed in the primaries or I
might be dead, in a camp, or off in the hills with the 'insurgents'.
Don't forget 'in a camp wishing you were dead.'
I'm sure that death would be preferable to one of Pat's 're-education'
camps.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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05 Dec 2005 03:58:32 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:25:01 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <a396p1t1e97l9c1uttn0f5mlj2r9cot4t2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:59:06 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <91k3p1tgp99mkfeidtla3nol1bkltj0dta@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:26:36 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <9pu0p1p2s8frlumenfpai6nl9doi57jfcp@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
As for the rest of the world, it may take a good while longer.
However,
even in RCC strongholds such as Central and South America,
Evangelical
Protestantism and even Islam are starting to make serious
inroads.
Of
course that may be just trading one disease for another.
Same disease, superstition, only the strain changes.
And all highly virulent.
That's putting it mildy.
And sadly the only vaccines, intelligence and reason, are in short
supply, judging by recent world events.
Education vanished about fifteen years ago in the general American
education system.
I think that the general 'dumbing down' of America started back in the
'80s not coincidentally with the rise of the Religious Reich.
I don't recall. All I can factor things from is when the B.S.
inflicted Oregon.
The Reaganites became very palsy walsy with the Reich. Pat Robertson
even ran for pres in 1988. Fortunately he crashed in the primaries or I
might be dead, in a camp, or off in the hills with the 'insurgents'.
Don't forget 'in a camp wishing you were dead.'
I'm sure that death would be preferable to one of Pat's 're-education'
camps.
You're definately right.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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26 Nov 2005 09:36:38 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:55:36 -0600, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-3DCA6D.15553625112005@news.giganews.com>):
In article <5mcbo1d008erii7totjbuv1q0o6liccgoo@4ax.com>,
Jos Flachs <xwcruise@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:28:16 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
One priest claims that as many as 25 to 50% of Catholic priests are gay.
Although that figure is disputed, it is still mind bobbling that so many
gays are admitted into the priesthood by a religion that officially
condemns homosexuality.
Now, one thing I don't understand. Aren't those geezers to take an
oath of CELIBACY?????
So, what's the [non!]fucking difference between a straight priest not
having sex and a gay priest not having sex?
I agree. As long as one is celbate, what difference does one's
orientation have? None I would think.
If it really bothers them so much, why don't they simply castrate all
priests? Should solve the problem rather effectively.
That would work, but they're having problems enough finding priests now.
This is a problem?
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"It's tough ... but not as tough as comedy!" - Edmund Gwenn on dying
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27 Nov 2005 06:45:59 AM |
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In article <0001HW.BFAE31860009CDE4F0284550@news.central.cox.net>,
Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:55:36 -0600, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-3DCA6D.15553625112005@news.giganews.com>):
In article <5mcbo1d008erii7totjbuv1q0o6liccgoo@4ax.com>,
Jos Flachs <xwcruise@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:28:16 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
One priest claims that as many as 25 to 50% of Catholic priests are gay.
Although that figure is disputed, it is still mind bobbling that so many
gays are admitted into the priesthood by a religion that officially
condemns homosexuality.
Now, one thing I don't understand. Aren't those geezers to take an
oath of CELIBACY?????
So, what's the [non!]fucking difference between a straight priest not
having sex and a gay priest not having sex?
I agree. As long as one is celbate, what difference does one's
orientation have? None I would think.
If it really bothers them so much, why don't they simply castrate all
priests? Should solve the problem rather effectively.
That would work, but they're having problems enough finding priests now.
This is a problem?
For them, yes, for the rest of us a cause for for celebration.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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25 Nov 2005 04:03:15 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:15:01 +0700, Jos Flachs <xwcruise@ksc15.th.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:28:16 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
One priest claims that as many as 25 to 50% of Catholic priests are gay.
Although that figure is disputed, it is still mind bobbling that so many
gays are admitted into the priesthood by a religion that officially
condemns homosexuality.
Now, one thing I don't understand. Aren't those geezers to take an
oath of CELIBACY?????
Sure, but of what worth is their word?
So, what's the [non!]fucking difference between a straight priest not
having sex and a gay priest not having sex?
Thoughts.
If it really bothers them so much, why don't they simply castrate all
priests? Should solve the problem rather effectively.
That and cut their tongues out, too. Such solves other problems.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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24 Nov 2005 07:53:45 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> astounded us with: news:jhachm-
DEDA45.23281623112005@news.giganews.com:
One priest claims that as many as 25 to 50% of Catholic priests are gay.
Although that figure is disputed, it is still mind bobbling that so many
gays are admitted into the priesthood by a religion that officially
condemns homosexuality.
No it isn't!!! It fits PERFECTLY with the REST of the church's hypocrisy!!!
--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
Remove "s" to respond
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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25 Nov 2005 07:35:40 AM |
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In article <dkehf.2621$ea6.2023@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"Phÿltêr" <phylter@hsotmail.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> astounded us with: news:jhachm-
DEDA45.23281623112005@news.giganews.com:
One priest claims that as many as 25 to 50% of Catholic priests are gay.
Although that figure is disputed, it is still mind bobbling that so many
gays are admitted into the priesthood by a religion that officially
condemns homosexuality.
No it isn't!!! It fits PERFECTLY with the REST of the church's hypocrisy!!!
Sad but true.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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