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"Martin Willett" |
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07 Apr 2005 05:15:19 AM |
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Catholics kill babies |
What is the problem with the Catholic church saying:
1 ] Sex in marriage is wonderful
2 ] Sex outside marriage is always a sin
3 ] The church requires married couples not to use "artificial" birth
control devices.
4 ] Condoms prevent the spread of AIDS
There is no inconsistency at all in those views. Condoms could be used
by married couples who have AIDS. Condoms could be used by "sinners".
In what possible way is wearing a condom more of a sin than prostitution?
The church knows people are sinners and will sin, do sin. So what is so
wrong in allowing those sinners to sin in (comparative) safety and
without putting other people's lives at risk?
Having condoms available makes "the sin of artificial birth control"
more possible, but having kitchen knives makes murder more possible, it
is a rather flabby bit of reasoning. Driving while drunk is a crime and
a sin but the church does not forbid either alcohol or cars. Surely
condoms could be available to those who cannot avoid the sins of
promiscuity without it forcing good Catholics into "the sin of
artificial birth control".
There is no moral excuse for the Catholic Church's open hostility to
condom use by people who are already flouting the Church's teachings.
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org
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| User: "Steve O" |
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07 Apr 2005 01:19:01 PM |
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The way God tells us to end this disease is simple: Do not have sexual
intercourse with anyone outside of marriage. If you have the virus, do
not have sexual intercourse PERIOD.
God told you?
When did that happen?
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| User: "RS" |
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07 Apr 2005 03:45:19 PM |
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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The way God tells us to end this disease is simple: Do not have sexual
intercourse with anyone outside of marriage. If you have the virus, do
not have sexual intercourse PERIOD.
God told you?
When did that happen?
Revealed knowledge through scripture and the Papacy.
1) Do not commit adultery
2) knowledge that those who were lost to sexual sin were destroyed. Those
who remain committing sexual sin are warned of diseases causing rotting of
the flesh (note in the old paradigm flesh referred to ones whole body).
-RS
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| User: "Steve O" |
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07 Apr 2005 03:55:49 PM |
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"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:d3465n$1oq$1@news3.bu.edu...
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3blbsoF6iaivcU1@individual.net...
The way God tells us to end this disease is simple: Do not have sexual
intercourse with anyone outside of marriage. If you have the virus, do
not have sexual intercourse PERIOD.
God told you?
When did that happen?
Revealed knowledge through scripture and the Papacy.
I see.
So he didn't tell you personally.
1) Do not commit adultery
2) knowledge that those who were lost to sexual sin were destroyed. Those
who remain committing sexual sin are warned of diseases causing rotting of
the flesh (note in the old paradigm flesh referred to ones whole body).
-RS
Nice troll.
For a minute I thought you were being serious.
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| User: "Olrik" |
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08 Apr 2005 12:01:22 AM |
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Steve O wrote:
"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:d3465n$1oq$1@news3.bu.edu...
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3blbsoF6iaivcU1@individual.net...
The way God tells us to end this disease is simple: Do not have sexual
intercourse with anyone outside of marriage. If you have the virus, do
not have sexual intercourse PERIOD.
God told you?
When did that happen?
Revealed knowledge through scripture and the Papacy.
I see.
So he didn't tell you personally.
1) Do not commit adultery
2) knowledge that those who were lost to sexual sin were destroyed. Those
who remain committing sexual sin are warned of diseases causing rotting of
the flesh (note in the old paradigm flesh referred to ones whole body).
-RS
Nice troll.
For a minute I thought you were being serious.
I don't think this RS is trolling, sadly. But nowadays, trolls are very
difficult to identify, as they sound to much like the "real thing".
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
07 Apr 2005 09:50:01 AM |
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RS wrote:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:3bkhraF6gurpmU1@individual.net...
harmonybrenda@yahoo.com wrote:
Sex is a beautiful thing, designed for male/female unions to keep life
going.
It is not to be taken lightly. (not just for fun)
Because of it's creative power, in procreating new life, it is very,
very precious and should not be abused, degraded or made "dirty"
"Keep the marriage bed undefiled"
Anal sex is dirty and dangerous. A major cause of HIV/AIDS.
if people are allowed to freely indulge in the "flesh" in however ways,
and with whoever, it is disastrous! Ruins families, produces diseases
and unwanted babies = abortions, etc.
Anal sex does not cause AIDS, that idea is as scientific as the idea that
anal sex is where lawyers come from.
Last time I checked, sodomy was one of the most legitimate ways HIV/AIDS was
spread... What dobri should have been more specific about was "It is a
major pathway for the spread of the HIV virus."
It doesn't matter how many times you have anal sex you will not get AIDS
if your partner does not carry the virus. AIDS is caused by a virus, not
by "sin". Anal sex is more likely to spread the virus than vaginal sex
but it doers not, and never has, caused AIDS.
If your God god (or should that be god God?) has any message for me he
should know where to find me.
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| User: "JimR" |
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07 Apr 2005 11:52:13 AM |
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"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:3bkvlbF6idamvU1@individual.net...
It doesn't matter how many times you have anal sex you will not get AIDS
if your partner does not carry the virus. AIDS is caused by a virus, not
by "sin".
Mankind has sensed intuitively, down through the ages, that he could avoid
infection and death from venereal diseases by avoiding sexual promiscuity
and by limiting sexual expression to a monogamous marriage. We can argue
the details all day long, but the fact is that it has always worked. Good
families have always instilled in their children the need to keep their
sexual urges under control, if for no other reason than for mere survival.
Mankind has had the magic bullet of antibiotics for not even a full century.
Prior to that, contracting V.D. (now there is a term I haven't seen in
years!) meant a death sentence. I understand that syphillis was a
particularly gruesome death, with large sores spread across the entire body,
that burned, putting the victim in extreme pain. The burns actually burned
the muscle tissue and parts of the underlying bones. Scientists today can
identify syphillis ias the cause of death from the lesions it leaves on the
bones of the deceased.
I do remember hearing about certain strains of V.D. that were resistant to
antibiotics, as far back as the Vietnam War era. The simple fact is that
mankind still cannot control the spread of venereal diseases completely.
There is an element of risk with each sexual encounter. The ONLY known
method of staying free of infection is to restrict one's sexual activity to
only one person (and to hope that that person is not cheating.
Unfortunately, there are no guarantees).
Now, I realize that many people scoff at the notion of marital fidelity, or
of abstinence from sex until marriage. It has been associated with old ways
of thinking, a less-enlightened mindset, etc. Popular culture tends to
characterize people that rein in their sexual urges as simpletons. One look
at the postings on alt.recovery.catholisicm will demonstrate that.
Promiscuous people tend to view themselves as sophisticated.
But I wonder how many people that have been given a positive AIDS diagnosis
have concluded that they werefoolish to buy into that propaganda? Just what
must they think as they lay in hospital beds or hospices, with tubes
connected? Was it worth it?
The obedient Christian--that simpleton who obeys the prohibition against
adultery and fornication--lives, while the libertine receives a death
sentence. How ironic!
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| User: "James" |
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07 Apr 2005 12:31:48 PM |
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JimR wrote:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:3bkvlbF6idamvU1@individual.net...
It doesn't matter how many times you have anal sex you will not get AIDS
if your partner does not carry the virus. AIDS is caused by a virus, not
by "sin".
Mankind has sensed intuitively, down through the ages, that he could avoid
infection and death from venereal diseases by avoiding sexual promiscuity
and by limiting sexual expression to a monogamous marriage.
VD has always existed because promiscuity has always existed. History
has proven that it is human nature, and must be dealt with as such.
We can argue
the details all day long, but the fact is that it has always worked. Good
families have always instilled in their children the need to keep their
sexual urges under control, if for no other reason than for mere survival.
It's mostly a Catholic thing, actually.
<irrelevant syphillis info snipped>
I do remember hearing about certain strains of V.D. that were resistant to
antibiotics, as far back as the Vietnam War era. The simple fact is that
mankind still cannot control the spread of venereal diseases completely.
There is an element of risk with each sexual encounter. The ONLY known
method of staying free of infection is to restrict one's sexual activity to
only one person
Abstinence was a joke when they started teaching it to non-Catholics,
and it's a joke now.
(and to hope that that person is not cheating.
Unfortunately, there are no guarantees).
Now, I realize that many people scoff at the notion of marital fidelity, or
of abstinence from sex until marriage.
Just about everyone, you mean.
It has been associated with old ways
of thinking, a less-enlightened mindset, etc. Popular culture tends to
characterize people that rein in their sexual urges as simpletons. One look
at the postings on alt.recovery.catholisicm will demonstrate that.
Promiscuous people tend to view themselves as sophisticated.
Irrelevant.
But I wonder how many people that have been given a positive AIDS diagnosis
have concluded that they werefoolish to buy into that propaganda?
What propaganda?
Just what
must they think as they lay in hospital beds or hospices, with tubes
connected? Was it worth it?
Screwing strangers does not equal death, as much as the concept might
reassure those that can't.
The obedient Christian--that simpleton who obeys the prohibition against
adultery and fornication--lives, while the libertine receives a death
sentence. How ironic!
That's not even close to the definition of ironic.
--
James B, former monkey #4,567,000,000
aa #944
"Hence the greatest crimes have been found, in many instances,
compatible with a superstitious piety and devotion: Hence, it
is justly regarded as unsafe to draw any certain inference in
favour of a man's morals from the fervour or strictness of his
religious exercises, even though he himself believe them sincere."
-David Hume, "The Natural History of Religion"
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| User: "JimR" |
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07 Apr 2005 02:19:14 PM |
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"James" <shiv_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:115ark065aiumae@corp.supernews.com...
Good
families have always instilled in their children the need to keep their
sexual urges under control, if for no other reason than for mere
survival.
It's mostly a Catholic thing, actually.
No, your knowledge of history is incomplete. Those families that thought of
themselves as "Good Families" tried to teach their children to stay away
from lowlifes like prostitutes and what Benjamin Franklin referred to as
"Low Women." They instinctively understood that to stay away from typical
VD-infected types of people that they would help to ensure their own
childrens' longevity.
Ask your great grandfather what kinds of films the Army showed to the
Doughboys before they embarked for France.
Abstinence was a joke when they started teaching it to non-Catholics,
and it's a joke now.
Perhaps it is a joke to you, because you obviously have your head in the
gutter. Believe it or not, there actually ARE people that don't waste their
entire lives pondering sex all day long.
Screwing strangers does not equal death, as much as the concept might
reassure those that can't.
You are a moron.
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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07 Apr 2005 03:29:42 PM |
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JimR wrote:
You are a moron.
The moronic thing is that there is much to be said for the advice about
keeping yourself to yourself and being faithful but nobody is going to
take much notice of advice based on a transparently ridiculous theory of
sin.
It does make a hell of a lot of sense to restrict the number of sexual
partners you have. If everybody was faithful there would be no venereal
disease. If most people were faithful there would be very little. But
the reality of the human situation is that adultery, pre-marital sex,
prostitution and homosexuality (monogamous and promiscuous) exist in all
human societies. Decrying those facts is not going to change them.
Saying that they are sinful is not going to change anything.
People have "sinned" in this way for as long as there has been the
concept of marriage, which is probably longer than there have been any
religions. Human nature is not going to change, no matter who is Pope,
how many languages he preaches in or how pretty his dresses are.
The sin hypothesis of sex has no power to explain or predict sexual
behaviour. It is hollow and useless. John is a sinner. Homosexuality is
a sin, therefore John will be a homosexual. James is a priest, priests
are good men, resistant to sin, therefore James will not be a
homosexual. It doesn't work! It has no power to predict anything. The
sin hypothesis is worthless. Discard it and find something that is of value.
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org
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| User: "James" |
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09 Apr 2005 12:55:53 PM |
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JimR wrote:
No, your knowledge of history is incomplete. Those families that thought of
themselves as "Good Families" tried to teach their children to stay away
from lowlifes like prostitutes and what Benjamin Franklin referred to as
"Low Women." They instinctively understood that to stay away from typical
VD-infected types of people that they would help to ensure their own
childrens' longevity.
Most rational people don't even bother trying to teach it anymore.
Abstinence will work for the few that follow it, of course, but for the
other 99% of society it's just silly.
Ask your great grandfather what kinds of films the Army showed to the
Doughboys before they embarked for France.
When did I claim that abstinence was never taught? That doesn't make it
any less silly.
Perhaps it is a joke to you, because you obviously have your head in the
gutter. Believe it or not, there actually ARE people that don't waste their
entire lives pondering sex all day long.
I'm sure there are, and I'm sure they are very happy with their choices.
They're not in the majority, though. Demonizing sex doesn't
accomplish anything other than making it more desirable to those
least-equipped to protect themselves.
You are a moron.
I spooged in your coffee.
--
James B, former monkey #4,567,000,000
aa #944
"Hence the greatest crimes have been found, in many instances,
compatible with a superstitious piety and devotion: Hence, it
is justly regarded as unsafe to draw any certain inference in
favour of a man's morals from the fervour or strictness of his
religious exercises, even though he himself believe them sincere."
-David Hume, "The Natural History of Religion"
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Apr 2005 12:28:51 PM |
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 12:55:53 -0500, James <shiv_@hotmail.com> wrote:
JimR wrote:
No, your knowledge of history is incomplete. Those families that thought of
themselves as "Good Families" tried to teach their children to stay away
from lowlifes like prostitutes and what Benjamin Franklin referred to as
"Low Women." They instinctively understood that to stay away from typical
VD-infected types of people that they would help to ensure their own
childrens' longevity.
Most rational people don't even bother trying to teach it anymore.
Abstinence will work for the few that follow it, of course, but for the
other 99% of society it's just silly.
Ask your great grandfather what kinds of films the Army showed to the
Doughboys before they embarked for France.
When did I claim that abstinence was never taught? That doesn't make it
any less silly.
Perhaps it is a joke to you, because you obviously have your head in the
gutter. Believe it or not, there actually ARE people that don't waste their
entire lives pondering sex all day long.
I'm sure there are, and I'm sure they are very happy with their choices.
They're not in the majority, though. Demonizing sex doesn't
accomplish anything other than making it more desirable to those
least-equipped to protect themselves.
You are a moron.
I spooged in your coffee.
He got his 'shot of protein' for the day.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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12 Apr 2005 12:20:21 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:1ioi5194er2sjej64ic0skl8u6dh5p1hik@4ax.com...
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 12:55:53 -0500, James <shiv_@hotmail.com> wrote:
JimR wrote:
No, your knowledge of history is incomplete. Those families that
thought of
themselves as "Good Families" tried to teach their children to stay
away
from lowlifes like prostitutes and what Benjamin Franklin referred to
as
"Low Women." They instinctively understood that to stay away from
typical
VD-infected types of people that they would help to ensure their own
childrens' longevity.
Most rational people don't even bother trying to teach it anymore.
Abstinence will work for the few that follow it, of course, but for the
other 99% of society it's just silly.
Ask your great grandfather what kinds of films the Army showed to the
Doughboys before they embarked for France.
When did I claim that abstinence was never taught? That doesn't make it
any less silly.
Perhaps it is a joke to you, because you obviously have your head in
the
gutter. Believe it or not, there actually ARE people that don't waste
their
entire lives pondering sex all day long.
I'm sure there are, and I'm sure they are very happy with their choices.
They're not in the majority, though. Demonizing sex doesn't
accomplish anything other than making it more desirable to those
least-equipped to protect themselves.
You are a moron.
I spooged in your coffee.
He got his 'shot of protein' for the day.
Not to mention vitamin E.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 Apr 2005 09:22:41 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:20:21 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:1ioi5194er2sjej64ic0skl8u6dh5p1hik@4ax.com...
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 12:55:53 -0500, James <shiv_@hotmail.com> wrote:
JimR wrote:
No, your knowledge of history is incomplete. Those families that
thought of
themselves as "Good Families" tried to teach their children to stay
away
from lowlifes like prostitutes and what Benjamin Franklin referred to
as
"Low Women." They instinctively understood that to stay away from
typical
VD-infected types of people that they would help to ensure their own
childrens' longevity.
Most rational people don't even bother trying to teach it anymore.
Abstinence will work for the few that follow it, of course, but for the
other 99% of society it's just silly.
Ask your great grandfather what kinds of films the Army showed to the
Doughboys before they embarked for France.
When did I claim that abstinence was never taught? That doesn't make it
any less silly.
Perhaps it is a joke to you, because you obviously have your head in
the
gutter. Believe it or not, there actually ARE people that don't waste
their
entire lives pondering sex all day long.
I'm sure there are, and I'm sure they are very happy with their choices.
They're not in the majority, though. Demonizing sex doesn't
accomplish anything other than making it more desirable to those
least-equipped to protect themselves.
You are a moron.
I spooged in your coffee.
He got his 'shot of protein' for the day.
Not to mention vitamin E.
I didn't mention it........
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "RS" |
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07 Apr 2005 03:43:51 PM |
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"James" <shiv_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Abstinence was a joke when they started teaching it to non-Catholics, and
it's a joke now.
It is hardly a joke. In a world where STD's and unwanted pregnancies are
rampant, abstinence is the only way to assure you are safe. It is hardly a
joke. If you refrain from sexual contact outside of marriage and if you and
your spouse are loyal to eachother, you will never contract an STD (unless
you contract it via blood-to-blood in a hospital or while treating someone
who is bleeding who is infected). It is hardly a joke. It is a solution.
You can't see it as a solution because you are too concerned about letting
people have their orgasms. Is it really worth the risk? That one moment of
pleasure? That one sin of adultery? Hardly. It never will be and you will
find that out when final judgment comes your way.
-RS
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| User: "Alison" |
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07 Apr 2005 03:49:12 PM |
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In <d34630$15t$1@news3.bu.edu> RS wrote:
"James" <shiv_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:115ark065aiumae@corp.supernews.com...
Abstinence was a joke when they started teaching it to non-Catholics, and
it's a joke now.
It is hardly a joke. In a world where STD's and unwanted pregnancies are
rampant, abstinence is the only way to assure you are safe.
And condoms are a valid alternative & one which you seem very keen to ignore.
It is hardly a
joke. If you refrain from sexual contact outside of marriage and if you and
your spouse are loyal to eachother, you will never contract an STD (unless
you contract it via blood-to-blood in a hospital or while treating someone
who is bleeding who is infected).
Or are born with it.
It is hardly a joke. It is a solution.
You can't see it as a solution because you are too concerned about letting
people have their orgasms. Is it really worth the risk? That one moment of
pleasure? That one sin of adultery?
All those women in Africa - just how many of *them* are committing the 'sin of
adultery'??
Hardly. It never will be and you will
find that out when final judgment comes your way.
Ooh. Big threat.
-RS
-- Ali
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| User: "RS" |
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07 Apr 2005 08:53:41 PM |
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"Alison" <cooties@mac[spam].com> wrote in message
news:20050407214911149+0100@news.supernews.com...
In <d34630$15t$1@news3.bu.edu> RS wrote:
"James" <shiv_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:115ark065aiumae@corp.supernews.com...
Abstinence was a joke when they started teaching it to non-Catholics,
and
it's a joke now.
It is hardly a joke. In a world where STD's and unwanted pregnancies are
rampant, abstinence is the only way to assure you are safe.
And condoms are a valid alternative & one which you seem very keen to
ignore.
No, condoms are a means at preventing it temporarily. As I mentioned,
condoms cannot be a solution because condoms REDUCE the risk. Condoms
encourage people to take the risk. The only solution is INTERNATIONAL
education and acceptance of the preservation of sexual intercourse as a rite
between a husband and a wife.
It is hardly a
joke. If you refrain from sexual contact outside of marriage and if you
and
your spouse are loyal to eachother, you will never contract an STD
(unless
you contract it via blood-to-blood in a hospital or while treating
someone
who is bleeding who is infected).
Or are born with it.
You are simply being problamatic. There is the realization that children
are born with this disease and are punished because of the sins of their
parents (or parent).
It is hardly a joke. It is a solution.
You can't see it as a solution because you are too concerned about
letting
people have their orgasms. Is it really worth the risk? That one moment
of
pleasure? That one sin of adultery?
All those women in Africa - just how many of *them* are committing the
'sin of
adultery'??
Again, you keep ignoring part of what I am saying. IF MEN play their role
as protector and defender, if men are loyal to their wives (and wives to
their husbands), this disease will cease. It spreads via sexual contact for
the most part. It spreads through promiscuous sexual contact for the most
part and then is brought home to the family unit. Make people understand
that the only way to preserve life (their own and that of their loved ones)
is not to engage in this risk.
Hardly. It never will be and you will
find that out when final judgment comes your way.
Ooh. Big threat.
Hardly a threat, but a concern. God is offering a solution. The world has
rejected it because the world favors sex over God. The world will die. God
has told us that already.
-RS
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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07 Apr 2005 10:14:25 PM |
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On 07 Apr 2005, RS dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
"Alison" <cooties@mac[spam].com> wrote in message
news:20050407214911149+0100@news.supernews.com...
In <d34630$15t$1@news3.bu.edu> RS wrote:
"James" <shiv_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:115ark065aiumae@corp.supernews.com...
Abstinence was a joke when they started teaching it to
non-Catholics, and
it's a joke now.
It is hardly a joke. In a world where STD's and unwanted
pregnancies are rampant, abstinence is the only way to assure you
are safe.
And condoms are a valid alternative & one which you seem very keen to
ignore.
No, condoms are a means at preventing it temporarily. As I mentioned,
condoms cannot be a solution because condoms REDUCE the risk. Condoms
encourage people to take the risk.
Hey, moron. People *****, it's a fact of life. You have a few drinks at
a bar, and you get happy. The homely woman at the nearest barstool
catches on, and starts a conversation. You buy her a drink, and after a
few more neither of you don't care what the other looks like any more.
Basic animal instinct takes over. This is why they sell condoms in
places like this. Not to ***** off Catholics, but to perhaps save a few
lives. Maybe they don't work all the time, but they work a lot of the
time, which is what counts.
The only solution is INTERNATIONAL
education and acceptance of the preservation of sexual intercourse as
a rite between a husband and a wife.
Maybe the solution is to ignore you religious idiots and research birth
control methods more. This is reality we're talking about, not your
stupid pre-historic sun-worship.
It is hardly a
joke. If you refrain from sexual contact outside of marriage and if
you and
your spouse are loyal to eachother, you will never contract an STD
(unless
you contract it via blood-to-blood in a hospital or while treating
someone
who is bleeding who is infected).
Or are born with it.
You are simply being problamatic. There is the realization that
children are born with this disease and are punished because of the
sins of their parents (or parent).
You are the problem here. Not all people conform to your ideals and form
the perfect nuclear family. Some are even repulsed by the idea, and hey,
it's really none of your business how others run their lives. Children
that are born out of wedlock, or in other extenuating circumstances are
not at fault here, and do not deserve the punishment befitting their
parents. Just because a biblebook says an adam and an eve disobeyed a
god does not shift the blame away from those it should be focused upon.
Get real. People will *****, and unwanted births (and unwanted diseases)
can be prevented - and would be more often if it wasn't for your dumbfuck
prehistoric Catholic Church.
It is hardly a joke. It is a solution.
You can't see it as a solution because you are too concerned about
letting
people have their orgasms. Is it really worth the risk? That one
moment of
pleasure? That one sin of adultery?
All those women in Africa - just how many of *them* are committing
the 'sin of
adultery'??
Again, you keep ignoring part of what I am saying. IF MEN play their
role as protector and defender, if men are loyal to their wives (and
wives to their husbands), this disease will cease. It spreads via
sexual contact for the most part. It spreads through promiscuous
sexual contact for the most part and then is brought home to the
family unit. Make people understand that the only way to preserve
life (their own and that of their loved ones) is not to engage in this
risk.
Then you are suggesting it is the sole responsibility of your stupid
Catholic Church to spread this knowledge and enforce this inhuman
behavior called celibacy. Why haven't they done so? Why do we have AIDS
and other debilitating venereal disease in this world? Maybe your
methods are flawed, and the ones that work are being shunned by your
idiot religion by proclaiming them a sin, forcing humans with free will
underground. Shame on you.
Hardly. It never will be and you will
find that out when final judgment comes your way.
Ooh. Big threat.
Hardly a threat, but a concern. God is offering a solution. The
world has rejected it because the world favors sex over God. The
world will die. God has told us that already.
Your god doesn't really exist. If it did, it'd do something about your
sexual demise. The rest of us will act like the animals we are, and we
find artificial but real means with which to control the real
consequences.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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07 Apr 2005 11:24:28 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9631CE202C377vicman@216.196.97.136...
On 07 Apr 2005, RS dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
"Alison" <cooties@mac[spam].com> wrote in message
news:20050407214911149+0100@news.supernews.com...
In <d34630$15t$1@news3.bu.edu> RS wrote:
"James" <shiv_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:115ark065aiumae@corp.supernews.com...
Abstinence was a joke when they started teaching it to
non-Catholics, and
it's a joke now.
It is hardly a joke. In a world where STD's and unwanted
pregnancies are rampant, abstinence is the only way to assure you
are safe.
And condoms are a valid alternative & one which you seem very keen to
ignore.
No, condoms are a means at preventing it temporarily. As I mentioned,
condoms cannot be a solution because condoms REDUCE the risk. Condoms
encourage people to take the risk.
Hey, moron. People *****, it's a fact of life. You have a few drinks at
a bar, and you get happy. The homely woman at the nearest barstool
catches on, and starts a conversation. You buy her a drink, and after a
few more neither of you don't care what the other looks like any more.
Basic animal instinct takes over. This is why they sell condoms in
places like this. Not to ***** off Catholics, but to perhaps save a few
lives. Maybe they don't work all the time, but they work a lot of the
time, which is what counts.
To partake in such a risky behavior for the pursuit of a moment of miniscule
pleasure is illogical and irresponsible.
The only solution is INTERNATIONAL
education and acceptance of the preservation of sexual intercourse as
a rite between a husband and a wife.
Maybe the solution is to ignore you religious idiots and research birth
control methods more. This is reality we're talking about, not your
stupid pre-historic sun-worship.
Last time I checked, I didn't worship the sun. Nor is Christianity
prehistoric, though the preceeding Jewish faith borders on prehistory.
It is hardly a
joke. If you refrain from sexual contact outside of marriage and if
you and
your spouse are loyal to eachother, you will never contract an STD
(unless
you contract it via blood-to-blood in a hospital or while treating
someone
who is bleeding who is infected).
Or are born with it.
You are simply being problamatic. There is the realization that
children are born with this disease and are punished because of the
sins of their parents (or parent).
You are the problem here. Not all people conform to your ideals and form
the perfect nuclear family. Some are even repulsed by the idea, and hey,
it's really none of your business how others run their lives. Children
that are born out of wedlock, or in other extenuating circumstances are
not at fault here, and do not deserve the punishment befitting their
parents. Just because a biblebook says an adam and an eve disobeyed a
god does not shift the blame away from those it should be focused upon.
Get real. People will *****, and unwanted births (and unwanted diseases)
can be prevented - and would be more often if it wasn't for your dumbfuck
prehistoric Catholic Church.
I didn't say I was telling people how they should live their lives. I am
saying that the plan supported by the Roman Catholic Church, given to us by
God, is the only solution. Regardless of how you debate it, the fact of the
matter is that condoms reduce the risk . To solve the problem, however, is
to promote chastity. If people would live their lives in a chaste manner,
STD's would cease to exist.
It is hardly a joke. It is a solution.
You can't see it as a solution because you are too concerned about
letting
people have their orgasms. Is it really worth the risk? That one
moment of
pleasure? That one sin of adultery?
All those women in Africa - just how many of *them* are committing
the 'sin of
adultery'??
Again, you keep ignoring part of what I am saying. IF MEN play their
role as protector and defender, if men are loyal to their wives (and
wives to their husbands), this disease will cease. It spreads via
sexual contact for the most part. It spreads through promiscuous
sexual contact for the most part and then is brought home to the
family unit. Make people understand that the only way to preserve
life (their own and that of their loved ones) is not to engage in this
risk.
Then you are suggesting it is the sole responsibility of your stupid
Catholic Church to spread this knowledge and enforce this inhuman
behavior called celibacy. Why haven't they done so? Why do we have AIDS
and other debilitating venereal disease in this world? Maybe your
methods are flawed, and the ones that work are being shunned by your
idiot religion by proclaiming them a sin, forcing humans with free will
underground. Shame on you.
No, it is the responsibility of any moral human to live a life of chastity
(celibacy and chastity are two different things). Chastity is a virtue and
hardly inhumane. Regardless of how you persecute the methods of God,
condoms work as a reduction, not a solution.
Every acts as though the Catholic Church has any influence in the sale and
distribution of condoms in the first world. They forget that the Catholic
Church teaches chastity. It is an all or nothing thing. If you wish to
accept the Church's teaching against artificial contraception, yet still
live sexually unchaste lives, you are sinning and not adhering to the will
of God. Anyhow, we proclaim it a sin because God proclaims it sin. You act
as though we force those beliefs onto others. When in your life have you
been forced to learn or listen to anything? Catholic learning is knowledge
available to all and taught to anyone who is willing to listen. Just as you
don't have to accept Bhuddist discipline, you do not have to accept Catholic
discipline. That doesn't make it wrong. The Catholic Church is right on
this issue. A chaste world is a world free from sexually transmitted
diseases. It is plain and simple. If men would stop worrying where their
penis was and grew up (actually started being men), we would be able to live
a more responsible and generally more pleasurable life.
Your god doesn't really exist. If it did, it'd do something about your
sexual demise. The rest of us will act like the animals we are, and we
find artificial but real means with which to control the real
consequences.
On the contrary, God does exist and He has inspired truth, calling us out of
the sin of the world. We are hardly animals and to demean humanity to the
level of mere animals dictates that you lack all capabilities of rational
divine thought. God provides natural and real means to prevent
consequences. What would you rather do? Seek artificial means to reduce
the risk or pursue natural means at avoiding the risk? The will of God
defines the latter and will be manifested in the second coming of Christ. I
hope you might learn more by then and understand that your highly praised
piece of latex isn't a solution to a deadly disease. Protecting yourself
from the risk only reduces the risk. Removing yourself from the risk
obliterates it completely.
Sex is a rite which God created for marriage. The world took it out of
marriage and when sexual sin became rampant and defined society, sexual
disease was introduced by the Enemy. It is merely another device to turn
people away from God. Regardless, for those who are born of the Spirit the
Enemy is so incredibly weak that even as he speaks through you, He has no
influence over anyone who is born of the Spirit.
-RS
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07 Apr 2005 11:41:51 PM |
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On 07 Apr 2005, RS dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Every acts as though the Catholic Church has any influence in the sale
and distribution of condoms in the first world. They forget that the
Catholic Church teaches chastity.
Chastity causes sexual tension, which results in... hell, look at what a
hoarde of Catholic priests have done because of chastity.
People *****, it's animal nature, which overrides religious fantasy.
Chastity is an obvious failure by an even bigger failure known as
Catholicism.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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07 Apr 2005 09:04:41 PM |
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On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:53:41 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> in news
message <d34o7v$s2d$1@news3.bu.edu> wrote:
[----]
You are simply being problamatic. There is the realization that children
are born with this disease and are punished because of the sins of their
parents (or parent).
Punishing an innocent person for the 'sin' of another is quite a
heinous concept. Of course, the whole of the Christian religion is
built on that very concept, so it is possible that you think that
punishing an innocent person is quite justified, maybe even holy.
Liz #658 BAAWA
4th Law: Most people cannot imagine a god morally superior
to themselves; if you want to know what such a person would
do if they had ultimate power, ask them about their deity.
-- Abner Mintz
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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07 Apr 2005 09:17:47 PM |
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"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
news:7mpb51hmlu3m136dfqlj1vvlratnbv3n79@4ax.com...
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:53:41 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> in news
message <d34o7v$s2d$1@news3.bu.edu> wrote:
[----]
You are simply being problamatic. There is the realization that children
are born with this disease and are punished because of the sins of their
parents (or parent).
Punishing an innocent person for the 'sin' of another is quite a
heinous concept. Of course, the whole of the Christian religion is
built on that very concept, so it is possible that you think that
punishing an innocent person is quite justified, maybe even holy.
Obviously this "RS" jerkoff has never looked into the face of a newborn
baby. "Sin", my ***** :P
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "RS" |
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07 Apr 2005 11:11:26 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3bm7ubF6edha5U1@individual.net...
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
news:7mpb51hmlu3m136dfqlj1vvlratnbv3n79@4ax.com...
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:53:41 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> in news
message <d34o7v$s2d$1@news3.bu.edu> wrote:
[----]
You are simply being problamatic. There is the realization that children
are born with this disease and are punished because of the sins of their
parents (or parent).
Punishing an innocent person for the 'sin' of another is quite a
heinous concept. Of course, the whole of the Christian religion is
built on that very concept, so it is possible that you think that
punishing an innocent person is quite justified, maybe even holy.
Obviously this "RS" jerkoff has never looked into the face of a newborn
baby. "Sin", my ***** :P
Rather I have. A child born with HIV is punished with a short life of
suffering because of the sins of his or her parents. Also, the concept of
original sin comes into play. Given that every human born into this world
aside from Christ and His Holy Mother were born with original sin and the
capacity to exercise free will and do what is contrary to the will of God.
Infants, regardless of how innocent and beautiful they are, have the same
innate tendancy which will be manifested later in life.
-RS
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| User: "Ph˙ltęr" |
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10 Apr 2005 04:08:10 AM |
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"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> astounded us with: news:d350a8$cu7$1@news3.bu.edu:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3bm7ubF6edha5U1@individual.net...
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
news:7mpb51hmlu3m136dfqlj1vvlratnbv3n79@4ax.com...
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:53:41 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> in news
message <d34o7v$s2d$1@news3.bu.edu> wrote:
[----]
You are simply being problamatic. There is the realization that
children
are born with this disease and are punished because of the sins of
their
parents (or parent).
Punishing an innocent person for the 'sin' of another is quite a
heinous concept. Of course, the whole of the Christian religion is
built on that very concept, so it is possible that you think that
punishing an innocent person is quite justified, maybe even holy.
Obviously this "RS" jerkoff has never looked into the face of a newborn
baby. "Sin", my ***** :P
Rather I have. A child born with HIV is punished with a short life of
suffering because of the sins of his or her parents. Also, the concept
of
original sin comes into play. Given that every human born into this
world
aside from Christ and His Holy Mother were born with original sin and the
capacity to exercise free will and do what is contrary to the will of
God.
Infants, regardless of how innocent and beautiful they are, have the same
innate tendancy which will be manifested later in life.
-RS
Oh bull-fucking-*****. Fucktards like you should be shot on fucking sight,
purely for committing the crime of "abject fucking stupidity".
Sin is a christian construct, god is a christian construct.
--
Ph˙ltęr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
Remove "s" to respond
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| User: "jwk" |
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11 Apr 2005 12:09:02 PM |
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Ph=FFlt=EAr wrote:
"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> astounded us with:
news:d350a8$cu7$1@news3.bu.edu:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3bm7ubF6edha5U1@individual.net...
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
news:7mpb51hmlu3m136dfqlj1vvlratnbv3n79@4ax.com...
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:53:41 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> in news
message <d34o7v$s2d$1@news3.bu.edu> wrote:
[----]
You are simply being problamatic. There is the realization that
children
are born with this disease and are punished because of the sins
of
their
parents (or parent).
Punishing an innocent person for the 'sin' of another is quite a
heinous concept. Of course, the whole of the Christian religion
is
built on that very concept, so it is possible that you think that
punishing an innocent person is quite justified, maybe even holy.
Obviously this "RS" jerkoff has never looked into the face of a
newborn
baby. "Sin", my ***** :P
Rather I have. A child born with HIV is punished with a short life
of
suffering because of the sins of his or her parents. Also, the
concept
of
original sin comes into play. Given that every human born into
this
world
aside from Christ and His Holy Mother were born with original sin
and the
capacity to exercise free will and do what is contrary to the will
of
God.
Infants, regardless of how innocent and beautiful they are, have
the same
innate tendancy which will be manifested later in life.
-RS
Oh bull-fucking-*****. Fucktards like you should be shot on fucking
sight
Now *there's a hunting license I wouldn't mind paying $20 for.
jwk
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08 Apr 2005 07:05:29 AM |
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"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:d350a8$cu7$1@news3.bu.edu...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3bm7ubF6edha5U1@individual.net...
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
news:7mpb51hmlu3m136dfqlj1vvlratnbv3n79@4ax.com...
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:53:41 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> in news
message <d34o7v$s2d$1@news3.bu.edu> wrote:
[----]
You are simply being problamatic. There is the realization that
children
are born with this disease and are punished because of the sins of
their
parents (or parent).
Punishing an innocent person for the 'sin' of another is quite a
heinous concept. Of course, the whole of the Christian religion is
built on that very concept, so it is possible that you think that
punishing an innocent person is quite justified, maybe even holy.
Obviously this "RS" jerkoff has never looked into the face of a newborn
baby. "Sin", my ***** :P
Rather I have. A child born with HIV is punished with a short life of
suffering because of the sins of his or her parents. Also, the concept of
original sin comes into play. Given that every human born into this world
aside from Christ and His Holy Mother were born with original sin and the
capacity to exercise free will and do what is contrary to the will of God.
Infants, regardless of how innocent and beautiful they are, have the same
innate tendancy which will be manifested later in life.
Nice mythology. Too bad people still believe this garbage.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Liz" |
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08 Apr 2005 07:30:54 AM |
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On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:11:26 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> in news
message <d350a8$cu7$1@news3.bu.edu> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3bm7ubF6edha5U1@individual.net...
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
news:7mpb51hmlu3m136dfqlj1vvlratnbv3n79@4ax.com...
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:53:41 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> in news
message <d34o7v$s2d$1@news3.bu.edu> wrote:
[----]
You are simply being problamatic. There is the realization that children
are born with this disease and are punished because of the sins of their
parents (or parent).
Punishing an innocent person for the 'sin' of another is quite a
heinous concept. Of course, the whole of the Christian religion is
built on that very concept, so it is possible that you think that
punishing an innocent person is quite justified, maybe even holy.
Obviously this "RS" jerkoff has never looked into the face of a newborn
baby. "Sin", my ***** :P
Rather I have. A child born with HIV is punished with a short life of
suffering because of the sins of his or her parents. Also, the concept of
original sin comes into play. Given that every human born into this world
aside from Christ and His Holy Mother were born with original sin and the
capacity to exercise free will and do what is contrary to the will of God.
Infants, regardless of how innocent and beautiful they are, have the same
innate tendancy which will be manifested later in life.
Yes, just as I suspected. You revel in the punishment of those who
sin. You revel in the punishment of those whose relatives have
sinned. Such punishment according to you is good and holy and trying
to prevent GodŽ's holy punishment by using condoms, thereby reducing
the chance both that an adult may become infected, which would allow
the later birth of a healthy infant when the child is wanted, and that
a child would actually be conceived by infected parents, would be an
abomination. You suggest it is better to let a child suffer a short
painful life than to prevent such a conception in order to exact a
horrible punishment for the perceived sin of his parents having sex.
You are quite sick. Glory to GodŽ!
Liz #658 BAAWA
How come an 'act of god' is always something awful? --
Warlord Steve Knight
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Apr 2005 07:44:23 PM |
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On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:11:26 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3bm7ubF6edha5U1@individual.net...
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
news:7mpb51hmlu3m136dfqlj1vvlratnbv3n79@4ax.com...
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:53:41 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> in news
message <d34o7v$s2d$1@news3.bu.edu> wrote:
[----]
You are simply being problamatic. There is the realization that children
are born with this disease and are punished because of the sins of their
parents (or parent).
Punishing an innocent person for the 'sin' of another is quite a
heinous concept. Of course, the whole of the Christian religion is
built on that very concept, so it is possible that you think that
punishing an innocent person is quite justified, maybe even holy.
Obviously this "RS" jerkoff has never looked into the face of a newborn
baby. "Sin", my ***** :P
Rather I have. A child born with HIV is punished with a short life of
suffering because of the sins of his or her parents. Also, the concept of
original sin comes into play. Given that every human born into this world
aside from Christ and His Holy Mother were born with original sin and the
capacity to exercise free will and do what is contrary to the will of God.
Infants, regardless of how innocent and beautiful they are, have the same
innate tendancy which will be manifested later in life.
You're a real ignorant *****, all-right. IOW, a perfect Xtian.
/cue lip curling contempt.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Alan Ferris" |
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08 Apr 2005 03:18:07 AM |
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On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:11:26 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
Rather I have. A child born with HIV is punished with a short life of
suffering because of the sins of his or her parents. Also, the concept of
original sin comes into play. Given that every human born into this world
aside from Christ and His Holy Mother were born with original sin and the
capacity to exercise free will and do what is contrary to the will of God.
Infants, regardless of how innocent and beautiful they are, have the same
innate tendancy which will be manifested later in life.
All screwed because of a sick god who blames people for events they
had nothing to do with. I love people who call that sick kind of
morality caring and loving god.
Maybe we should arrest RS for the crimes of members of his family in
the past. Maybe even bring back hanging, then as he dangles on the
rope he can claim how he is only suffering because of the sins of his
parents.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
09 Apr 2005 07:45:37 PM |
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 08:18:07 GMT, Alan Ferris <alan@spamddandd.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:11:26 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
Rather I have. A child born with HIV is punished with a short life of
suffering because of the sins of his or her parents. Also, the concept of
original sin comes into play. Given that every human born into this world
aside from Christ and His Holy Mother were born with original sin and the
capacity to exercise free will and do what is contrary to the will of God.
Infants, regardless of how innocent and beautiful they are, have the same
innate tendancy which will be manifested later in life.
All screwed because of a sick god who blames people for events they
had nothing to do with. I love people who call that sick kind of
morality caring and loving god.
Maybe we should arrest RS for the crimes of members of his family in
the past. Maybe even bring back hanging, then as he dangles on the
rope he can claim how he is only suffering because of the sins of his
parents.
He should be executed for the crimes of his ancestors. Assholes like
RS 'squeal like a pig' when the cross-hairs of their superstition and
drooling idiocy are turned on them.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
08 Apr 2005 05:36:23 AM |
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RS wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3bm7ubF6edha5U1@individual.net...
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
news:7mpb51hmlu3m136dfqlj1vvlratnbv3n79@4ax.com...
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:53:41 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> in news
message <d34o7v$s2d$1@news3.bu.edu> wrote:
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You are simply being problamatic. There is the realization that children
are born with this disease and are punished because of the sins of their
parents (or parent).
Punishing an innocent person for the 'sin' of another is quite a
heinous concept. Of course, the whole of the Christian religion is
built on that very concept, so it is possible that you think that
punishing an innocent person is quite justified, maybe even holy.
Obviously this "RS" jerkoff has never looked into the face of a newborn
baby. "Sin", my ***** :P
Rather I have. A child born with HIV is punished with a short life of
suffering because of the sins of his or her parents. Also, the concept of
original sin comes into play. Given that every human born into this world
aside from Christ and His Holy Mother were born with original sin and the
capacity to exercise free will and do what is contrary to the will of God.
Infants, regardless of how innocent and beautiful they are, have the same
innate tendancy which will be manifested later in life.
Oh yes, original sin. Have you any explanation for why your infinitely
merciful god found this one sin to be unforgivable?
Let's think about this. Murder, rape, genocide, mythological fruit
eating. Spot the unforgivable sin.
Your religion is a joke, but a joke that is killing people, in the name
of morality. That is obscene.
It isn't working. Give it up.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org
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