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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Martin Willett" |
| Date: |
07 Apr 2005 05:15:19 AM |
| Object: |
Catholics kill babies |
What is the problem with the Catholic church saying:
1 ] Sex in marriage is wonderful
2 ] Sex outside marriage is always a sin
3 ] The church requires married couples not to use "artificial" birth
control devices.
4 ] Condoms prevent the spread of AIDS
There is no inconsistency at all in those views. Condoms could be used
by married couples who have AIDS. Condoms could be used by "sinners".
In what possible way is wearing a condom more of a sin than prostitution?
The church knows people are sinners and will sin, do sin. So what is so
wrong in allowing those sinners to sin in (comparative) safety and
without putting other people's lives at risk?
Having condoms available makes "the sin of artificial birth control"
more possible, but having kitchen knives makes murder more possible, it
is a rather flabby bit of reasoning. Driving while drunk is a crime and
a sin but the church does not forbid either alcohol or cars. Surely
condoms could be available to those who cannot avoid the sins of
promiscuity without it forcing good Catholics into "the sin of
artificial birth control".
There is no moral excuse for the Catholic Church's open hostility to
condom use by people who are already flouting the Church's teachings.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org
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| User: "Alan Ferris" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
03 Jun 2005 04:40:03 AM |
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On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:08:59 -0300, "Gabby" <Lavolanges@msn.com> wrote:
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d096557e050139f9896a4@news.readfreenews.net...
The only relevant issue is that it is a
method that is purposely designed with the intention to cheat the
normal requirement that sex must be for the purpose of reproduction
only.
The Church doesn't have a requirement that sex be for reproduction ONLY,
otherwise non-fertile couple would be forbidden from having sex.
The church did once ban such marriages. As we all know sex outside
marriage is a no, no.
So why did the church change its mind on this......especially when
they keep saying they have not changed the rules for 2000 years.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")
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| User: "Natalie Clifford Barney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
03 Jun 2005 06:54:12 AM |
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Alan Ferris wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:08:59 -0300, "Gabby" <Lavolanges@msn.com> wrote:
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d096557e050139f9896a4@news.readfreenews.net...
The only relevant issue is that it is a
method that is purposely designed with the intention to cheat the
normal requirement that sex must be for the purpose of reproduction
only.
The Church doesn't have a requirement that sex be for reproduction ONLY,
otherwise non-fertile couple would be forbidden from having sex.
The church did once ban such marriages. As we all know sex outside
marriage is a no, no.
So why did the church change its mind on this......especially when
they keep saying they have not changed the rules for 2000 years.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
Because no one was obeying it....
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")
--
Bethany: You have issues with Catholicism, I take it?
Serendipity: I have issues with anyone who treats God like a burden instead
of a blessing like some Catholics. You people don't celebrate your faith . .
.. you mourn it.
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| User: "Alan Ferris" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
03 Jun 2005 07:05:30 AM |
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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:54:12 GMT, Natalie Clifford Barney
<SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
Alan Ferris wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:08:59 -0300, "Gabby" <Lavolanges@msn.com> wrote:
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d096557e050139f9896a4@news.readfreenews.net...
The only relevant issue is that it is a
method that is purposely designed with the intention to cheat the
normal requirement that sex must be for the purpose of reproduction
only.
The Church doesn't have a requirement that sex be for reproduction ONLY,
otherwise non-fertile couple would be forbidden from having sex.
The church did once ban such marriages. As we all know sex outside
marriage is a no, no.
So why did the church change its mind on this......especially when
they keep saying they have not changed the rules for 2000 years.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
Because no one was obeying it....
ROFL! SO true. Just like the church will eventually find a way to
accept contraception because the majority of Catholics already have.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")
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| User: "Natalie Clifford Barney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
03 Jun 2005 03:17:05 PM |
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Alan Ferris wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:54:12 GMT, Natalie Clifford Barney
<SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
Alan Ferris wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:08:59 -0300, "Gabby" <Lavolanges@msn.com> wrote:
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d096557e050139f9896a4@news.readfreenews.net...
The only relevant issue is that it is a
method that is purposely designed with the intention to cheat the
normal requirement that sex must be for the purpose of reproduction
only.
The Church doesn't have a requirement that sex be for reproduction ONLY,
otherwise non-fertile couple would be forbidden from having sex.
The church did once ban such marriages. As we all know sex outside
marriage is a no, no.
So why did the church change its mind on this......especially when
they keep saying they have not changed the rules for 2000 years.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
Because no one was obeying it....
ROFL! SO true. Just like the church will eventually find a way to
accept contraception because the majority of Catholics already have.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
I will have to respectfully disagree with you on that one Alan;
The Catholics in Africa, used to authoritarian systems, accept the teachings
blindly---hence the huge epidemic of aids and widespread starvation......
Natalie
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Bethany: You have issues with Catholicism, I take it?
Serendipity: I have issues with anyone who treats God like a burden instead of a
blessing like some Catholics. You people don't celebrate your faith . . . you
mourn it.
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
03 Jun 2005 09:54:45 PM |
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"Natalie Clifford Barney" <SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
news:42A0BABD.75E93267@
The Catholics in Africa, used to authoritarian systems, accept the
teachings
blindly---hence the huge epidemic of aids and widespread starvation......
One might shyly add to this that the RCC does seem to have been making a
*special effort* regarding their determination to see the non-use of condoms
in Africa: they've been consistently and energetically pushing the LIE that
there's 'no point in using them' because 'the rubber has tiny little holes
in it' which 'let the AIDS virus through'...
Katt.
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
04 Jun 2005 08:03:06 AM |
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"Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net> wrote
One might shyly add to this that the RCC does seem to have been making a
*special effort* regarding their determination to see the non-use of
condoms in Africa: they've been consistently and energetically pushing the
LIE that there's 'no point in using them' because 'the rubber has tiny
little holes in it' which 'let the AIDS virus through'...
Sometimes I've got to agree totally with an atheist.
Condoms don't offer a hundred percent protection, but this argument is silly
and shouldn't be used.
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| User: "• R. L. Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
04 Jun 2005 01:31:35 PM |
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In article <d7s8q9$2th$7@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net> wrote
One might shyly add to this that the RCC does seem to have been making a
*special effort* regarding their determination to see the non-use of
condoms in Africa: they've been consistently and energetically pushing the
LIE that there's 'no point in using them' because 'the rubber has tiny
little holes in it' which 'let the AIDS virus through'...
Sometimes I've got to agree totally with an atheist.
Condoms don't offer a hundred percent protection, but this argument is silly
and shouldn't be used.
** Indeed. In the early 1990s, God's Holy Church was teaching that
condoms actually increase the spread of HIV/AIDS. Perhaps God is pro-HIV
because it expedites the arrival of the Faithful in the happy place?
--
Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
05 Jun 2005 10:38:31 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 11:31:35 -0700, (• R. L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <d7s8q9$2th$7@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net> wrote
One might shyly add to this that the RCC does seem to have been making a
*special effort* regarding their determination to see the non-use of
condoms in Africa: they've been consistently and energetically pushing the
LIE that there's 'no point in using them' because 'the rubber has tiny
little holes in it' which 'let the AIDS virus through'...
Sometimes I've got to agree totally with an atheist.
Condoms don't offer a hundred percent protection, but this argument is silly
and shouldn't be used.
** Indeed. In the early 1990s, God's Holy Church was teaching that
condoms actually increase the spread of HIV/AIDS. Perhaps God is pro-HIV
because it expedites the arrival of the Faithful in the happy place?
They love the smell of sulphur in the morning.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "• R. L. Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
06 Jun 2005 09:46:56 AM |
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In article <39h7a1h7u590187f3071rd6lqg4mcmoc35@4ax.com>, stoney
<stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 11:31:35 -0700, (• R. L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <d7s8q9$2th$7@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net> wrote
One might shyly add to this that the RCC does seem to have been making a
*special effort* regarding their determination to see the non-use of
condoms in Africa: they've been consistently and energetically
pushing the
LIE that there's 'no point in using them' because 'the rubber has tiny
little holes in it' which 'let the AIDS virus through'...
Sometimes I've got to agree totally with an atheist.
Condoms don't offer a hundred percent protection, but this argument
is silly
and shouldn't be used.
** Indeed. In the early 1990s, God's Holy Church was teaching that
condoms actually increase the spread of HIV/AIDS. Perhaps God is pro-HIV
because it expedites the arrival of the Faithful in the happy place?
They love the smell of sulphur in the morning.
• a takeoff from Apocalypse Now?
--
Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
07 Jun 2005 07:32:31 PM |
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On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:46:56 -0700, (• R. L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <39h7a1h7u590187f3071rd6lqg4mcmoc35@4ax.com>, stoney
<stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 11:31:35 -0700, (• R. L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <d7s8q9$2th$7@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net> wrote
One might shyly add to this that the RCC does seem to have been making a
*special effort* regarding their determination to see the non-use of
condoms in Africa: they've been consistently and energetically
pushing the
LIE that there's 'no point in using them' because 'the rubber has tiny
little holes in it' which 'let the AIDS virus through'...
Sometimes I've got to agree totally with an atheist.
Condoms don't offer a hundred percent protection, but this argument
is silly
and shouldn't be used.
** Indeed. In the early 1990s, God's Holy Church was teaching that
condoms actually increase the spread of HIV/AIDS. Perhaps God is pro-HIV
because it expedites the arrival of the Faithful in the happy place?
They love the smell of sulphur in the morning.
• a takeoff from Apocalypse Now?
Yes.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "• R. L. Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
08 Jun 2005 02:07:14 AM |
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In article <c4fca19cih8dvl8fj9u4pt1ooihanb83po@4ax.com>, stoney
<stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:46:56 -0700, (• R. L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <39h7a1h7u590187f3071rd6lqg4mcmoc35@4ax.com>, stoney
<stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 11:31:35 -0700, (• R. L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <d7s8q9$2th$7@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net> wrote
One might shyly add to this that the RCC does seem to have been
making a
*special effort* regarding their determination to see the non-use of
condoms in Africa: they've been consistently and energetically
pushing the
LIE that there's 'no point in using them' because 'the rubber
has tiny
little holes in it' which 'let the AIDS virus through'...
Sometimes I've got to agree totally with an atheist.
Condoms don't offer a hundred percent protection, but this argument
is silly
and shouldn't be used.
** Indeed. In the early 1990s, God's Holy Church was teaching that
condoms actually increase the spread of HIV/AIDS. Perhaps God is pro-HIV
because it expedites the arrival of the Faithful in the happy place?
They love the smell of sulphur in the morning.
• a takeoff from Apocalypse Now?
Yes.
• thanks
--
Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
08 Jun 2005 10:19:21 AM |
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On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:07:14 -0700, (• R. L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <c4fca19cih8dvl8fj9u4pt1ooihanb83po@4ax.com>, stoney
<stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:46:56 -0700, (• R. L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <39h7a1h7u590187f3071rd6lqg4mcmoc35@4ax.com>, stoney
<stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 11:31:35 -0700, (• R. L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <d7s8q9$2th$7@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net> wrote
One might shyly add to this that the RCC does seem to have been
making a
*special effort* regarding their determination to see the non-use of
condoms in Africa: they've been consistently and energetically
pushing the
LIE that there's 'no point in using them' because 'the rubber
has tiny
little holes in it' which 'let the AIDS virus through'...
Sometimes I've got to agree totally with an atheist.
Condoms don't offer a hundred percent protection, but this argument
is silly
and shouldn't be used.
** Indeed. In the early 1990s, God's Holy Church was teaching that
condoms actually increase the spread of HIV/AIDS. Perhaps God is pro-HIV
because it expedites the arrival of the Faithful in the happy place?
They love the smell of sulphur in the morning.
• a takeoff from Apocalypse Now?
Yes.
• thanks
You're very welcome.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
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| User: "Natalie Clifford Barney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
04 Jun 2005 09:31:12 AM |
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Katt wrote:
"Natalie Clifford Barney" <SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
news:42A0BABD.75E93267@
The Catholics in Africa, used to authoritarian systems, accept the
teachings
blindly---hence the huge epidemic of aids and widespread starvation......
One might shyly add to this that the RCC does seem to have been making a
*special effort* regarding their determination to see the non-use of condoms
in Africa: they've been consistently and energetically pushing the LIE that
there's 'no point in using them' because 'the rubber has tiny little holes
in it' which 'let the AIDS virus through'...
Katt.
Very true---
The Church spreads falsehoods.
The Church opposes science
The Church opposes human rights
Let the church evangelize somewhere it's ideas are more avante garde---Saudi
Arabia, maybe...
--
Bethany: You have issues with Catholicism, I take it?
Serendipity: I have issues with anyone who treats God like a burden instead of a
blessing like some Catholics. You people don't celebrate your faith . . . you
mourn it.
.
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| User: "• R. L. Measures" |
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04 Jun 2005 01:33:39 PM |
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In article <42A1BB2B.AC6EFF8D@20RueJacob.fr>, Natalie Clifford Barney
<SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
Katt wrote:
"Natalie Clifford Barney" <SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
news:42A0BABD.75E93267@
The Catholics in Africa, used to authoritarian systems, accept the
teachings
blindly---hence the huge epidemic of aids and widespread starvation......
One might shyly add to this that the RCC does seem to have been making a
*special effort* regarding their determination to see the non-use of condoms
in Africa: they've been consistently and energetically pushing the LIE that
there's 'no point in using them' because 'the rubber has tiny little holes
in it' which 'let the AIDS virus through'...
Katt.
Very true---
The Church spreads falsehoods.
The Church opposes science
The Church opposes human rights
** In Mexico, the RCC opposed the overthrow of brutal dictators.
--
Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "Natalie Clifford Barney" |
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04 Jun 2005 02:21:44 PM |
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"• R. L. Measures" wrote:
In article <42A1BB2B.AC6EFF8D@20RueJacob.fr>, Natalie Clifford Barney
<SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
Katt wrote:
"Natalie Clifford Barney" <SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
news:42A0BABD.75E93267@
The Catholics in Africa, used to authoritarian systems, accept the
teachings
blindly---hence the huge epidemic of aids and widespread starvation......
One might shyly add to this that the RCC does seem to have been making a
*special effort* regarding their determination to see the non-use of condoms
in Africa: they've been consistently and energetically pushing the LIE that
there's 'no point in using them' because 'the rubber has tiny little holes
in it' which 'let the AIDS virus through'...
Katt.
Very true---
The Church spreads falsehoods.
The Church opposes science
The Church opposes human rights
** In Mexico, the RCC opposed the overthrow of brutal dictators.
Barker probably did too
--
Rich. 805.386.3734
--
Bethany: You have issues with Catholicism, I take it?
Serendipity: I have issues with anyone who treats God like a burden instead of a
blessing like some Catholics. You people don't celebrate your faith . . . you mourn
it.
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| User: "• R. L. Measures" |
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04 Jun 2005 07:29:58 PM |
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In article <42A1FF43.5029116B@20RueJacob.fr>, Natalie Clifford Barney
<SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
"• R. L. Measures" wrote:
In article <42A1BB2B.AC6EFF8D@20RueJacob.fr>, Natalie Clifford Barney
<SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
Katt wrote:
"Natalie Clifford Barney" <SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
news:42A0BABD.75E93267@
The Catholics in Africa, used to authoritarian systems, accept the
teachings
blindly---hence the huge epidemic of aids and widespread
starvation......
One might shyly add to this that the RCC does seem to have been making a
*special effort* regarding their determination to see the non-use
of condoms
in Africa: they've been consistently and energetically pushing the
LIE that
there's 'no point in using them' because 'the rubber has tiny
little holes
in it' which 'let the AIDS virus through'...
Katt.
Very true---
The Church spreads falsehoods.
The Church opposes science
The Church opposes human rights
** In Mexico, the RCC opposed the overthrow of brutal dictators.
Barker probably did too
• Who's he?
--
Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
05 Jun 2005 10:39:32 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 17:29:58 -0700, (• R. L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <42A1FF43.5029116B@20RueJacob.fr>, Natalie Clifford Barney
<SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
"• R. L. Measures" wrote:
In article <42A1BB2B.AC6EFF8D@20RueJacob.fr>, Natalie Clifford Barney
<SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
Katt wrote:
"Natalie Clifford Barney" <SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
news:42A0BABD.75E93267@
The Catholics in Africa, used to authoritarian systems, accept the
teachings
blindly---hence the huge epidemic of aids and widespread
starvation......
One might shyly add to this that the RCC does seem to have been making a
*special effort* regarding their determination to see the non-use
of condoms
in Africa: they've been consistently and energetically pushing the
LIE that
there's 'no point in using them' because 'the rubber has tiny
little holes
in it' which 'let the AIDS virus through'...
Katt.
Very true---
The Church spreads falsehoods.
The Church opposes science
The Church opposes human rights
** In Mexico, the RCC opposed the overthrow of brutal dictators.
Barker probably did too
• Who's he?
See 'carnival' and Barnum..... ;)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
05 Jun 2005 10:37:43 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 02:54:45 GMT, "Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net>
wrote:
"Natalie Clifford Barney" <SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
news:42A0BABD.75E93267@
The Catholics in Africa, used to authoritarian systems, accept the
teachings
blindly---hence the huge epidemic of aids and widespread starvation......
One might shyly add to this that the RCC does seem to have been making a
*special effort* regarding their determination to see the non-use of condoms
in Africa: they've been consistently and energetically pushing the LIE that
there's 'no point in using them' because 'the rubber has tiny little holes
in it' which 'let the AIDS virus through'...
Deliberate and with malice aforethought genocide against the
descendants of Ham.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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07 Jun 2005 04:45:00 PM |
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"Natalie Clifford Barney" <SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
news:42A0BABD.75E93267@20RueJacob.fr...
I will have to respectfully disagree with you on that one Alan;
The Catholics in Africa, used to authoritarian systems, accept the
teachings
blindly---hence the huge epidemic of aids and widespread starvation......
Natalie
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Yes, but they aren't doing too well using that approach in the
Industrialized World.
Paul VI put them into quite a dilemma. They can't just do an about-face on
the issue. And they can't, like the Mormons, say that they just received a
new revealation from on high, like they did when they abandoned polygamy or
when they decided to accept blacks into the temple.
Of course, Islam may rise up as a much worse alternative to Christianity.
At least Christian religions have abandoned burning people at the stake.
The Muslims still kill dissenters . . .
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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21 Jun 2005 05:12:57 PM |
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In article <wzope.10064$KQ2.2945@trnddc08>, JimR said...
Of course, Islam may rise up as a much worse alternative
to Christianity. At least Christian religions have abandoned
burning people at the stake.
Don't be naive. Christianity had its fangs pulled a few
centuries back, so its bite is no longer fatal. Should
Christianity regain significant political power, however, it
will become as bloody, repressive and dangerous as the militant
forms of Islam are now.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "In The World Before Clayton, Primal Chaos Reigned!" |
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21 Jun 2005 06:08:49 PM |
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"Brian E. Clark" <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d225af3cb2a9d1e989ad9@news.comcast.giganews.com...
In article <wzope.10064$KQ2.2945@trnddc08>, JimR said...
Of course, Islam may rise up as a much worse alternative
to Christianity. At least Christian religions have abandoned
burning people at the stake.
Don't be naive. Christianity had its fangs pulled a few
centuries back, so its bite is no longer fatal. Should
Christianity regain significant political power, however, it
will become as bloody, repressive and dangerous as the militant
forms of Islam are now.
Only last year a member of a fundamentalist religious right wing Australian
political group called for lesbians to be burned at the stake....so the
intent is still there!
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| User: "Newk Indofman" |
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21 Jun 2005 08:32:32 PM |
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"Brian E. Clark" <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d225af3cb2a9d1e989ad9@news.comcast.giganews.com...
In article <wzope.10064$KQ2.2945@trnddc08>, JimR said...
Of course, Islam may rise up as a much worse alternative
to Christianity. At least Christian religions have abandoned
burning people at the stake.
Don't be naive. Christianity had its fangs pulled a few
centuries back, so its bite is no longer fatal. Should
Christianity regain significant political power, however, it
will become as bloody, repressive and dangerous as the militant
forms of Islam are now.
There are plenty of Killer Kristians out there. It seems all three of the
monotheistic religions have their roots in terrorism of some form.
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| User: "stoney" |
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08 Jun 2005 10:25:24 AM |
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On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:45:00 GMT, "JimR" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
"Natalie Clifford Barney" <SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
news:42A0BABD.75E93267@20RueJacob.fr...
I will have to respectfully disagree with you on that one Alan;
The Catholics in Africa, used to authoritarian systems, accept the
teachings
blindly---hence the huge epidemic of aids and widespread starvation......
Natalie
-
Yes, but they aren't doing too well using that approach in the
Industrialized World.
Paul VI put them into quite a dilemma. They can't just do an about-face on
the issue. And they can't, like the Mormons, say that they just received a
new revealation from on high, like they did when they abandoned polygamy or
when they decided to accept blacks into the temple.
Of course, Islam may rise up as a much worse alternative to Christianity.
At least Christian religions have abandoned burning people at the stake.
Disagree. In the US, for now, they're restricted from that 'loving'
practice.
The Muslims still kill dissenters . . .
....and Christians are jealous.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "quibbler" |
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03 Jun 2005 04:57:36 PM |
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In article <42A0BABD.75E93267@20RueJacob.fr>,
says...
Bethany: You have issues with Catholicism, I take it?
Serendipity: I have issues with anyone who treats God like a burden instead of a
blessing like some Catholics. You people don't celebrate your faith . . . you
mourn it.
And well they should mourn. Religion and blind faith are some of the
greatest impediments ever to human learning and progress. God only
fails to be a burden because he fails to exist.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "stoney" |
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05 Jun 2005 10:36:41 PM |
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On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:57:36 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In article <42A0BABD.75E93267@20RueJacob.fr>,
says...
Bethany: You have issues with Catholicism, I take it?
Serendipity: I have issues with anyone who treats God like a burden instead of a
blessing like some Catholics. You people don't celebrate your faith . . . you
mourn it.
And well they should mourn. Religion and blind faith are some of the
greatest impediments ever to human learning and progress. God only
fails to be a burden because he fails to exist.
Unfortunately, the superstitious cretins are legion.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Alan Ferris" |
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07 Jun 2005 05:21:39 PM |
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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 20:17:05 GMT, Natalie Clifford Barney
<SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
Alan Ferris wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:54:12 GMT, Natalie Clifford Barney
<SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
Alan Ferris wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:08:59 -0300, "Gabby" <Lavolanges@msn.com> wrote:
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d096557e050139f9896a4@news.readfreenews.net...
The only relevant issue is that it is a
method that is purposely designed with the intention to cheat the
normal requirement that sex must be for the purpose of reproduction
only.
The Church doesn't have a requirement that sex be for reproduction ONLY,
otherwise non-fertile couple would be forbidden from having sex.
The church did once ban such marriages. As we all know sex outside
marriage is a no, no.
So why did the church change its mind on this......especially when
they keep saying they have not changed the rules for 2000 years.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
Because no one was obeying it....
ROFL! SO true. Just like the church will eventually find a way to
accept contraception because the majority of Catholics already have.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
I will have to respectfully disagree with you on that one Alan;
The Catholics in Africa, used to authoritarian systems, accept the teachings
blindly---hence the huge epidemic of aids and widespread starvation......
Natalie
The majority of Africans are not using condoms not because of the
Catholic Church, but due to their culture. However I agree that the
Catholic Church has a lot to answer for. It is certainly not helping
to change attitudes their with its constant lies and obstruction.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
()'.'.'()
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| User: "• R. L. Measures" |
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03 Jun 2005 12:18:43 PM |
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In article <a4i0a1lsalf8idq2e1eukdu6epev3ad1mv@4ax.com>, Alan Ferris
<alan@spamddandd.com> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:54:12 GMT, Natalie Clifford Barney
<SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
Alan Ferris wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:08:59 -0300, "Gabby" <Lavolanges@msn.com> wrote:
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d096557e050139f9896a4@news.readfreenews.net...
The only relevant issue is that it is a
method that is purposely designed with the intention to cheat the
normal requirement that sex must be for the purpose of reproduction
only.
The Church doesn't have a requirement that sex be for reproduction ONLY,
otherwise non-fertile couple would be forbidden from having sex.
The church did once ban such marriages. As we all know sex outside
marriage is a no, no.
So why did the church change its mind on this......especially when
they keep saying they have not changed the rules for 2000 years.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
Because no one was obeying it....
ROFL! SO true. Just like the church will eventually find a way to
accept contraception because the majority of Catholics already have.
** Alan -- This seems unlikely because an abundant supply of cute
altar-boys is essential to the survival of the current priesthood.
--
Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "stoney" |
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05 Jun 2005 10:35:21 PM |
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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 09:40:03 GMT, Alan Ferris <alan@spamddandd.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:08:59 -0300, "Gabby" <Lavolanges@msn.com> wrote:
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d096557e050139f9896a4@news.readfreenews.net...
The only relevant issue is that it is a
method that is purposely designed with the intention to cheat the
normal requirement that sex must be for the purpose of reproduction
only.
The Church doesn't have a requirement that sex be for reproduction ONLY,
otherwise non-fertile couple would be forbidden from having sex.
The church did once ban such marriages. As we all know sex outside
marriage is a no, no.
So why did the church change its mind on this......especially when
they keep saying they have not changed the rules for 2000 years.
Lies are Christian Sacraments.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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02 Jun 2005 10:14:12 PM |
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On 02 Jun 2005, bam dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
"Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net> wrote
Even more amazing is the way 'He' appears to be fooled by the
so-called 'rhtythym method' beloved by the Catholic Church!
Of course being a textbook Jackass you wouldn't see that "rhythm" is
merely abstinence and there's nothing wrong with abstinence.
With the exception that "abstinence" is never followed because the human
sexual urge is too strong. The only people who survive the Catholic way
are those who ***** when they want to *****, which is often enough to raise
fine families of 19, or those who ***** and use condoms underground (the
smart ones...), or those who abstain (and masturbate a few times a week
to relieve themselves of normal animal urge), or those who actually do
abstain and drive themselves bonkers, spilling their seed in the mouths
of our children.
Who did you say is a jackass, jackass?
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
Lovingly plonked by Roger Pearse
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"I'm sickened by all religions. Religion has divided people. I don't
think there's any difference between the pope wearing a large hat and
parading around with a smoking purse and an African painting his face
white and praying to a rock."
[Howard Stern]
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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02 Jun 2005 11:27:52 PM |
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On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:05:48 -0400, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net> wrote
Even more amazing is the way 'He' appears to be fooled by the so-called
'rhtythym method' beloved by the Catholic Church!
Of course being a textbook Jackass you wouldn't see that "rhythm" is merely
abstinence and there's nothing wrong with abstinence.
Gee, for someone so happy to insult, you sure don't know how to get
your facts straight, do you? The rhythm method is _part time_
abstinence. Which is why it doesn't work.
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
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