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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Martin Willett" |
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07 Apr 2005 05:15:19 AM |
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Catholics kill babies |
What is the problem with the Catholic church saying:
1 ] Sex in marriage is wonderful
2 ] Sex outside marriage is always a sin
3 ] The church requires married couples not to use "artificial" birth
control devices.
4 ] Condoms prevent the spread of AIDS
There is no inconsistency at all in those views. Condoms could be used
by married couples who have AIDS. Condoms could be used by "sinners".
In what possible way is wearing a condom more of a sin than prostitution?
The church knows people are sinners and will sin, do sin. So what is so
wrong in allowing those sinners to sin in (comparative) safety and
without putting other people's lives at risk?
Having condoms available makes "the sin of artificial birth control"
more possible, but having kitchen knives makes murder more possible, it
is a rather flabby bit of reasoning. Driving while drunk is a crime and
a sin but the church does not forbid either alcohol or cars. Surely
condoms could be available to those who cannot avoid the sins of
promiscuity without it forcing good Catholics into "the sin of
artificial birth control".
There is no moral excuse for the Catholic Church's open hostility to
condom use by people who are already flouting the Church's teachings.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org
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| User: "Darklady" |
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08 Apr 2005 12:24:02 AM |
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 03:24:08 GMT, Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:
Darklady <darklady@darklady.com> wrote in
news:91ob51hs10cgt0ldspclbp6ilt1gqqsn0j@4ax.com:
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:02:03 +1000, "Clayton Bush City Limits"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:3bl1g0F6ijpi5U1@individual.net...
RS wrote:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:3bktheF6f69hmU1@individual.net...
Very interesting. What is the path? It sounds rather sinister. The
contraceptive path. Yeah though I walk through the valley of the
shadow
of
death I will not stray upon the contraceptive path.
The path is that of evil. Artificial contraception is evil. All
sin is evil. Don't bring that up with me. God defined it.
Why is "artificial" contraception a sin? What is the difference
between trying not to get pregnant and taking measures not to get
pregnant that you know actually work? You surely can't believe
that your almighty god has a problem in making women conceive. To
suggest that such a thing is beyond your god would be little short
of blasphemous, surely.
The Church offers a plan, NFP (if you call it the rhythm method,
you
only
display ignorance).
I don't call it the rhythm method, I call that Vatican roulette.
It's little more effective than the catholic schoolgirls' prayer:
As Billy Connelly put it "I'd like to thank the Catholic church for
the rhythm method, without which I wouldn't be here at all!"
Likewise.
As my father explained it, "It's not that you weren't
planned... just not so soon."
I was conceived on my father's birthday less than four months
after my parent's wedding.
Sounds familiar. I was born 9 months after my parents wedding. And it
wasn't intentional.
A honeymoon conception. How romantic. ;-)
At least your parents had sex. There's a reason my dad knew
when I was conceived and it wasn't just because my mom was charting
her cycles.
-- Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
http://www.masturbate-a-thon.org
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| User: "RS" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
07 Apr 2005 04:00:07 PM |
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Natural Family Planning isn't something the Church created. It isn't a
theory.It is based on accurate measurements and signs that a woman is
fertile and basing it off of probabilities. Regardless, there is always a
chance of conception. That is why it is open to life. If a husband and
wife aren't open to life, then their marriage is selfish. Human fertility
is more unpredictable, but it still follows certain patterns and cylces.
The Catholic Church supports NFP for its ability to shed light on that
pattern and incorporate chastity into marriage.
The vast majority of those who are orphaned by HIV are so because men and
women didn't know NFP and exist in societies which are plagued by poligamy.
Monogamy is the way of marriage.
let me repeat this again.. it is so obviously simple that you must have a
mental age of 13 not to understand:
Do not have sexaul relations outside of marriage.
It is that simple.
"Do not have sexaul relations outside of marriage." That is the solution to
AIDS and all other STD's... as well as solving the problem of abnormal
divorce rates.
NFP as a system has little to do with religion. Christians utilize it
because it incorporates chastity into marriage. In doing so, they approach
their marriage from a more controlled perspective. It works, too. Don't
believe me? Ask those who use NFP and see how strong their families and
marriages are.
You claim that I think my belief makes me think I am a more moral person
than the next... on the contrary. Your judgment is unjustified. I am very
convicted to this message because it is a true solution. People don't like
it because it means they can't do what they want when they want it... and
how dare I share with them that the only solution is to have responsibility
and refrain from selfish pleasure seeking.
-RS
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
07 Apr 2005 05:17:43 PM |
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In article <d3471g$5kt$1@news3.bu.edu> "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> writes:
Natural Family Planning isn't something the Church created. It isn't a
theory.It is based on accurate measurements and signs that a woman is
fertile and basing it off of probabilities. Regardless, there is always a
chance of conception. That is why it is open to life. If a husband and
wife aren't open to life, then their marriage is selfish. Human fertility
is more unpredictable, but it still follows certain patterns and cylces.
The Catholic Church supports NFP for its ability to shed light on that
pattern and incorporate chastity into marriage.
Well, goodness, all "artifical" birth control devices are also "open
to life" -- they all have a finite rate of failure (one often greatly
exaggerated by opponents, even unto this very froup, but...). There is always
a chance of conception, even with the condom and the pill and the IUD. If
the possibility of pregnancy left open by NFP makes it acceptable, why
not rubbers too?
The vast majority of those who are orphaned by HIV are so because men and
women didn't know NFP and exist in societies which are plagued by poligamy.
Monogamy is the way of marriage.
Um... what does NFP have to do with either polygamy or with AIDS? If
pme wife was virginal (poor thing) til marriage, so could three wives have
been.
(or possibly you mean "promiscuity", not "polygamy"?)
let me repeat this again.. it is so obviously simple that you must have a
mental age of 13 not to understand:
Do not have sexaul relations outside of marriage.
It is that simple.
"Do not have sexaul relations outside of marriage." That is the solution to
AIDS and all other STD's... as well as solving the problem of abnormal
divorce rates.
NFP as a system has little to do with religion. Christians utilize it
because it incorporates chastity into marriage. In doing so, they approach
their marriage from a more controlled perspective. It works, too. Don't
believe me? Ask those who use NFP and see how strong their families and
marriages are.
My, what large families you have!
You claim that I think my belief makes me think I am a more moral person
than the next... on the contrary. Your judgment is unjustified. I am very
convicted to this message because it is a true solution. People don't like
it because it means they can't do what they want when they want it... and
how dare I share with them that the only solution is to have responsibility
and refrain from selfish pleasure seeking.
Well, either that, or to make educated choices and take calculated
risks. Since sex is not the only mode of transmission, then
fidelity is not a 100% guarantee against acquiring AIDS. The
chance is very low, but not finite. Intelligent, informed, and
utterly honest sex outside of marriage also has a low but finite
risk.
-- cary
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| User: "John M." |
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07 Apr 2005 11:57:01 AM |
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RS wrote:
What is immoral is the world's take against Catholic creed. If you don't
agree with it, don't take it up with the Church, take it up with God.
Okay, so what's the phone number and/or address, fax number and email
address? You can't provide that contact information because the God you
write of does not exist.
God
offered us a plan to end disease, end divorce, end meaningless sexual lust.
Do not use artificial
contraception, it is a disgrace to the gift of life.
Wearing a condom is being closed to the gift of life.
No, it's just the opposite.
Not wearing condoms in the long run causes death, anarchy and
environmental collape.
Not wearing condoms causes overpopulation.
Overpopulation causes social unrest, as untold thousands of babies are
born into a crowded world of increasing competition for depleting
resources and many of those babies are destined to live in poverty and misery.
Not wearing condoms further strains the planet's collapsing environment
-- including pollution, global warming, exhaustion of natural resources
and deaths of countless wild animals and degredation of natural
ecosystems as room has been made for more and more people. Catholics
couldn't have cared less.
Now there are six bllion people. But irresponsible Catholics would not
object to 600 billion people, or 600 trillion people, or 600 quadrillion
people, or even 600 quintillion people being on this finite world.
Even if every square foot of the world were covered with people --
causing worldwide anarchy and catastrophic environmental collapse --
Catholics would still continue with their mad and dangerous
pontification against abortion and birth control.
It is ridiculous, dangerous and impossible policy to try to squish an
ever greater number of people into a finite space without expecting
significant, negative consequences.
It has been estimated that a sustainable population for the planet is
about 200 million. This number has already been exceeded by 30 times,
yet the stupid, brainwashed, destructive Catholics want the destruction
to continue until the planet becomes a barren wasteland -- laid to waste
by endlessly multiplying billions of people covering the surface like a
growing cancer.
No, contraception is not a disgrace to life. In the long term, NOT using
contraception is is a disgrace to life. The life of our world and the
integrity of our societies will be destroyed by not using condoms. And
the ultimate result of overpopulation taken to its extreme is war and
anarchy, and that means widespread death.
Unfortunately, though, "There are none who are so blind as those who
WILL NOT SEE" and certainly the Catholics are among those
psychologically blind people and that's partly why our world is dying
now at an ever-increasing rate.
Besides, where in the Bible does it say not to wear condoms?
And where in the Bible does it say that people should procreate to the
extent that they destroy the very world they live on? Remember, the
Bible was written by a handful of men about 2,000 years ago, when the
planet still had a relatively small population, resources were still
plentiful, the environments mostly still intact and the New World hadn't
even been discouvered by Caucasians. Those men didn't even dream of the
overpopulation and environmental crises that we're faced with today.
John
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
07 Apr 2005 12:29:38 PM |
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"John M." <john_martin@shaw.info> wrote in message
news:42556666.E62F1D1E@shaw.info...
RS wrote:
What is immoral is the world's take against Catholic creed. If you don't
agree with it, don't take it up with the Church, take it up with God.
Okay, so what's the phone number and/or address, fax number and email
address? You can't provide that contact information because the God you
write of does not exist.
God
offered us a plan to end disease, end divorce, end meaningless sexual
lust.
Do not use artificial
contraception, it is a disgrace to the gift of life.
Wearing a condom is being closed to the gift of life.
No, it's just the opposite.
Not wearing condoms in the long run causes death, anarchy and
environmental collape.
Not wearing condoms causes overpopulation.
Overpopulation causes social unrest, as untold thousands of babies are
born into a crowded world of increasing competition for depleting
resources and many of those babies are destined to live in poverty and
misery.
Not wearing condoms further strains the planet's collapsing environment
-- including pollution, global warming, exhaustion of natural resources
and deaths of countless wild animals and degredation of natural
ecosystems as room has been made for more and more people. Catholics
couldn't have cared less.
Now there are six bllion people. But irresponsible Catholics would not
object to 600 billion people, or 600 trillion people, or 600 quadrillion
people, or even 600 quintillion people being on this finite world.
Seems a rather sucky design plan that the world can only sustain a finite
amount of people.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
09 Apr 2005 07:56:43 PM |
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On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:29:38 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn"
<bob@bobbybobbobthebobster.com> wrote:
"John M." <john_martin@shaw.info> wrote in message
news:42556666.E62F1D1E@shaw.info...
RS wrote:
What is immoral is the world's take against Catholic creed. If you don't
agree with it, don't take it up with the Church, take it up with God.
Okay, so what's the phone number and/or address, fax number and email
address? You can't provide that contact information because the God you
write of does not exist.
God
offered us a plan to end disease, end divorce, end meaningless sexual
lust.
Do not use artificial
contraception, it is a disgrace to the gift of life.
Wearing a condom is being closed to the gift of life.
No, it's just the opposite.
Not wearing condoms in the long run causes death, anarchy and
environmental collape.
Not wearing condoms causes overpopulation.
Overpopulation causes social unrest, as untold thousands of babies are
born into a crowded world of increasing competition for depleting
resources and many of those babies are destined to live in poverty and
misery.
Not wearing condoms further strains the planet's collapsing environment
-- including pollution, global warming, exhaustion of natural resources
and deaths of countless wild animals and degredation of natural
ecosystems as room has been made for more and more people. Catholics
couldn't have cared less.
Now there are six bllion people. But irresponsible Catholics would not
object to 600 billion people, or 600 trillion people, or 600 quadrillion
people, or even 600 quintillion people being on this finite world.
Seems a rather sucky design plan that the world can only sustain a finite
amount of people.
What else can be expected from an omni-incompetant?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "bam" |
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07 Apr 2005 08:42:33 AM |
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"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:3bkfi9F6gu754U1@individual.net...
What is the problem with the Catholic church saying:
1 ] Sex in marriage is wonderful
2 ] Sex outside marriage is always a sin
3 ] The church requires married couples not to use "artificial" birth
control devices.
4 ] Condoms prevent the spread of AIDS
Ugly faces prevent the spread of AIDS. Lots of things prevent the spread of
AIDS.
But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
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| User: "Steve O" |
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07 Apr 2005 08:56:31 AM |
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But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
Do they leap on your little general and drag you kicking and screaming to
the nearest HIV infected woman, deliberately splitting at an inopportune
momment?
Your ignorance is truly astounding.
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| User: "" |
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07 Apr 2005 09:18:44 AM |
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<,How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids? >
Condoms encourage sex because of the mindset
that they are 100% effective.
Also when a person thinks of a condom they think of sex so
people are going to think, if I use a comdom, its ok.
<Your ignorance is truly astounding.>
do you disagree with the fact that the sexual revolution is not the
cause
of the problems with marriage, abortion and std's today?
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| User: "Olrik" |
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08 Apr 2005 12:36:56 AM |
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wrote:
<,How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids? >
Condoms encourage sex because of the mindset
that they are 100% effective.
Also when a person thinks of a condom they think of sex so
people are going to think, if I use a comdom, its ok.
It is OK, if used properly.
<Your ignorance is truly astounding.>
do you disagree with the fact that the sexual revolution is not the
cause
of the problems with marriage, abortion and std's today?
Those "problems" have *always* existed.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "" |
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08 Apr 2005 07:32:12 AM |
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<,Those "problems" have *always* existed. >
and skyrocketed after the sexual revolution.
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| User: "Natalie Clifford Barney" |
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08 Apr 2005 07:42:37 AM |
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wrote:
<,Those "problems" have *always* existed. >
and skyrocketed after the sexual revolution
Not really
Henry VIII died of syphillis
So did Sir Randolph Churchill, father of Winston...
His mother, Lady Jennie, mothered another child by a lover, and had an
esrtimated 200 lovers.
King Edward VII was notorious.....
Catherine Romanov's lovers murdered her husband...
Some popes hosted parties in the Papal Palaces that make any san
francisco bathhouse look chaste.
.
--
"Her wit inspired laughter, but it could just as easily cut. It was
heaven to be the focus of those startling blue eyes and that energetic
mind, but hell when the attention turned elsewhere."
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
08 Apr 2005 08:08:55 AM |
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"Natalie Clifford Barney" <SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
news:42567C35.6A9695CB@20RueJacob.fr...
darth_sidious70@yahoo.com wrote:
<,Those "problems" have *always* existed. >
and skyrocketed after the sexual revolution
Not really
Henry VIII died of syphillis
So did Sir Randolph Churchill, father of Winston...
His mother, Lady Jennie, mothered another child by a lover, and had an
esrtimated 200 lovers.
Oh my! And she was my grandmother's cousin!!!
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Natalie Clifford Barney" |
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08 Apr 2005 08:14:29 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Natalie Clifford Barney" <SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
news:42567C35.6A9695CB@20RueJacob.fr...
darth_sidious70@yahoo.com wrote:
<,Those "problems" have *always* existed. >
and skyrocketed after the sexual revolution
Not really
Henry VIII died of syphillis
So did Sir Randolph Churchill, father of Winston...
His mother, Lady Jennie, mothered another child by a lover, and had an
esrtimated 200 lovers.
Oh my! And she was my grandmother's cousin!!!
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Lol--your cousin twice removed was a *****.......
Her affairs were so norotious and public that she named her second son after
his father, John Strange, hence John Strange Churchill.....
Natalie
Les Soeurs de Lesbianisme Sacré
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"Her wit inspired laughter, but it could just as easily cut. It was heaven
to be the focus of those startling blue eyes and that energetic mind, but
hell when the attention turned elsewhere."
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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08 Apr 2005 08:34:20 AM |
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"Natalie Clifford Barney" <SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
news:425683AF.B02F69B@20RueJacob.fr...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Natalie Clifford Barney" <SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
news:42567C35.6A9695CB@20RueJacob.fr...
darth_sidious70@yahoo.com wrote:
<,Those "problems" have *always* existed. >
and skyrocketed after the sexual revolution
Not really
Henry VIII died of syphillis
So did Sir Randolph Churchill, father of Winston...
His mother, Lady Jennie, mothered another child by a lover, and had an
esrtimated 200 lovers.
Oh my! And she was my grandmother's cousin!!!
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Lol--your cousin twice removed was a *****.......
SNERK! Funny how these things get left out of family histories. Good thing
I'm adopted :)
Her affairs were so norotious and public that she named her second son
after
his father, John Strange, hence John Strange Churchill.....
Woooot!
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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08 Apr 2005 08:20:56 PM |
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in article 1112963532.208294.275760@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,
at wrote on 4/8/05 8:32
AM:
<,Those "problems" have *always* existed. >
and skyrocketed after the sexual revolution.
And even then, Darth could NEVER get in on it...
Paul
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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07 Apr 2005 10:58:47 AM |
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On 7 Apr 2005 07:18:44 -0700, wrote:
<,How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids? >
Condoms encourage sex because of the mindset
that they are 100% effective.
Only if you imagine they're not going to have sex anyway.
Also when a person thinks of a condom they think of sex so
people are going to think, if I use a comdom, its ok.
Do they? In the same way that the availability of needles would make
you become an IV druggie?
<Your ignorance is truly astounding.>
do you disagree with the fact that the sexual revolution is not the
cause
of the problems with marriage, abortion and std's today?
What problems? And show a connection.
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| User: "" |
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07 Apr 2005 11:42:54 AM |
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<,Only if you imagine they're not going to have sex anyway.>
and thats part of the problem. The calious attitude, "they are going to
do it anyway."
we should be teaching young people that your actions have consequences.
<What problems? And show a connection. >
the sexual revolution. Show me how before the revolution, our society
had the same
problems.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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07 Apr 2005 12:15:26 PM |
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<darth_sidious70@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<,Only if you imagine they're not going to have sex anyway.>
and thats part of the problem. The calious attitude, "they are going to
do it anyway."
we should be teaching young people that your actions have consequences.
<What problems? And show a connection. >
the sexual revolution. Show me how before the revolution, our society
had the same
problems.
Wasnt the world a better place when women stayed in the kitchen?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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08 Apr 2005 05:37:22 AM |
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"kathryn" <bob@bobbybobbobthebobster.com> wrote in message
news:d33pre$iqd$1@titan.btinternet.com...
<darth_sidious70@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1112892174.032386.173920@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
<,Only if you imagine they're not going to have sex anyway.>
and thats part of the problem. The calious attitude, "they are going to
do it anyway."
we should be teaching young people that your actions have consequences.
<What problems? And show a connection. >
the sexual revolution. Show me how before the revolution, our society
had the same
problems.
Wasnt the world a better place when women stayed in the kitchen?
You forgot to add "barefoot and pregnant" :P
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
08 Apr 2005 06:37:21 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3bn572F6ll334U1@individual.net...
"kathryn" <bob@bobbybobbobthebobster.com> wrote in message
news:d33pre$iqd$1@titan.btinternet.com...
<darth_sidious70@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1112892174.032386.173920@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
<,Only if you imagine they're not going to have sex anyway.>
and thats part of the problem. The calious attitude, "they are going to
do it anyway."
we should be teaching young people that your actions have consequences.
<What problems? And show a connection. >
the sexual revolution. Show me how before the revolution, our society
had the same
problems.
Wasnt the world a better place when women stayed in the kitchen?
You forgot to add "barefoot and pregnant" :P
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Well of course! Goes without saying!
Now they have all these ideas in their heads about being equal and crap like
that
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| User: "Steve O" |
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08 Apr 2005 08:02:30 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3bn572F6ll334U1@individual.net...
"kathryn" <bob@bobbybobbobthebobster.com> wrote in message
news:d33pre$iqd$1@titan.btinternet.com...
<darth_sidious70@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1112892174.032386.173920@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
<,Only if you imagine they're not going to have sex anyway.>
and thats part of the problem. The calious attitude, "they are going to
do it anyway."
we should be teaching young people that your actions have consequences.
<What problems? And show a connection. >
the sexual revolution. Show me how before the revolution, our society
had the same
problems.
Wasnt the world a better place when women stayed in the kitchen?
You forgot to add "barefoot and pregnant" :P
Yeah.
God gave women smaller feet.
It means they can stand nearer the cooker.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
09 Apr 2005 07:59:51 PM |
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On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:37:22 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"kathryn" <bob@bobbybobbobthebobster.com> wrote in message
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<darth_sidious70@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<,Only if you imagine they're not going to have sex anyway.>
and thats part of the problem. The calious attitude, "they are going to
do it anyway."
we should be teaching young people that your actions have consequences.
<What problems? And show a connection. >
the sexual revolution. Show me how before the revolution, our society
had the same
problems.
Wasnt the world a better place when women stayed in the kitchen?
You forgot to add "barefoot and pregnant" :P
and uneducated.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
08 Apr 2005 07:31:19 AM |
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whats that have to do with anything we are talking about?
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
07 Apr 2005 01:08:18 PM |
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On 7 Apr 2005 09:42:54 -0700, wrote:
<,Only if you imagine they're not going to have sex anyway.>
and thats part of the problem. The calious attitude, "they are going to
do it anyway."
What "callous attitude"?
we should be teaching young people that your actions have consequences.
You mean indoctrinating them in your delusion system.
<What problems? And show a connection. >
the sexual revolution. Show me how before the revolution, our society
had the same
problems.
WHAT FUCKING PROBLEMS?
Society has ALWAYS had what people imagine are problems, yet never
explain what they think they are.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
08 Apr 2005 07:30:42 AM |
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I just told you. higher rates of std's, higher rates of promiscuity
with married couples, etc.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
08 Apr 2005 08:20:23 PM |
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in article 1112963442.573963.167650@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com,
at wrote on 4/8/05 8:30
AM:
I just told you. higher rates of std's, higher rates of promiscuity
with married couples, etc.
Among Catholics?
Paul
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
08 Apr 2005 10:03:14 PM |
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mainly among non catholics.
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
07 Apr 2005 09:56:13 AM |
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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
False sense of security.
Watch your temper.
BAM
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| User: "Steve O" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
07 Apr 2005 01:30:31 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
news:wNb5e.28617$UW6.9273@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3bksghF636aasU1@individual.net...
But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
False sense of security.
Watch your temper.
BAM
What's wrong with my temper?
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