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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Martin Willett" |
| Date: |
07 Apr 2005 05:15:19 AM |
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Catholics kill babies |
What is the problem with the Catholic church saying:
1 ] Sex in marriage is wonderful
2 ] Sex outside marriage is always a sin
3 ] The church requires married couples not to use "artificial" birth
control devices.
4 ] Condoms prevent the spread of AIDS
There is no inconsistency at all in those views. Condoms could be used
by married couples who have AIDS. Condoms could be used by "sinners".
In what possible way is wearing a condom more of a sin than prostitution?
The church knows people are sinners and will sin, do sin. So what is so
wrong in allowing those sinners to sin in (comparative) safety and
without putting other people's lives at risk?
Having condoms available makes "the sin of artificial birth control"
more possible, but having kitchen knives makes murder more possible, it
is a rather flabby bit of reasoning. Driving while drunk is a crime and
a sin but the church does not forbid either alcohol or cars. Surely
condoms could be available to those who cannot avoid the sins of
promiscuity without it forcing good Catholics into "the sin of
artificial birth control".
There is no moral excuse for the Catholic Church's open hostility to
condom use by people who are already flouting the Church's teachings.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
08 Apr 2005 12:49:22 AM |
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Steve O wrote:
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
news:wNb5e.28617$UW6.9273@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3bksghF636aasU1@individual.net...
But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
False sense of security.
Watch your temper.
BAM
What's wrong with my temper?
You sound rational. It's dangerous to them.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Rusty Shackleford" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
07 Apr 2005 08:20:35 PM |
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In article <wNb5e.28617$UW6.9273@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3bksghF636aasU1@individual.net...
But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
False sense of security.
Guns encourage killing, therefore we need to outlaw guns, based on your
logic. Don't bother teaching people to handle them safely; every human
is far too stupid to think for himself. The Catholic Church will do your
thinking for you.
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
08 Apr 2005 12:15:38 AM |
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"Rusty Shackleford" <rustyshaq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rustyshaq-D11E9E.21203507042005@syrcnyrdrs-01-ge0.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <wNb5e.28617$UW6.9273@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3bksghF636aasU1@individual.net...
But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread
of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
False sense of security.
Guns encourage killing, therefore we need to outlaw guns, based on your
logic.
Why did you introduce the law? Who's talking about laws?
And guns also discourage killing - it depends upon who's holding it.
BAM
Don't bother teaching people to handle them safely; every human
is far too stupid to think for himself. The Catholic Church will do your
thinking for you.
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| User: "RS" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
07 Apr 2005 11:44:16 PM |
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"Rusty Shackleford" <rustyshaq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rustyshaq-D11E9E.21203507042005@syrcnyrdrs-01-ge0.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <wNb5e.28617$UW6.9273@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3bksghF636aasU1@individual.net...
But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread
of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
False sense of security.
Guns encourage killing, therefore we need to outlaw guns, based on your
logic. Don't bother teaching people to handle them safely; every human
is far too stupid to think for himself. The Catholic Church will do your
thinking for you.
Weapons do encourage killing, though guns have true benefits that
promiscuous sex doesn't have. Rifles can be used to hunt for food. Educate
people so that they know they should only possess a gun if they need it for
the welfare of the family. A man who has a handgun in his sock drawer to
protect his family isn't properly educated. There are other ways of
defending yourself without the use of weapons and exposing the risk into
your household isn't something one should do. Sure... keep the gun separate
and unloaded... keep the bullets under lock and key... that still doesn't
mean a child left unattended won't be able to find a way to load and fire it
by accident.
The situation of a gun is hardly similar in any way.
Sexual promiscuity destroys marriage automatically. Sexual promiscuity
opens ones household to a risk of transmission of a deadly disease. Sexual
promiscuity destroys families. Teenage pregnancies ruin lives of young
children who aren't ready. Our society is lost to death because of the
sexual revolution. It hurts me very deeply that this world has become one
based on sex rather than on morality and God. Where is human morality?
Where is human virtue? Not in the streets... not in the 60% of American
families who are divided by divorce... not in the pursuit of improving
humanity. Rather, this world is distructive and this society is dying.
Liberalism only paves the way to death.
The formidability that existed in more conservative times outlines the way
of life. A family dedicated to God is a strong family. A family dedicated
to purity is a strong family. I am not saying that there are no strong
non-religious families. I am saying that the will of God is that all
peoples have true joy. Pleasure isn't joy. Sexual pleasure fulfilled by
lust doesn't bring about joy. Around me I see people who have no true joy.
Sure they have momentary pleasure, but this culture has become one where
people have so capably denied the fact that there is something missing
within their own hearts and they do not know what it is. It is a society
where people seek pleasure of physical contact just to make sure that they
are still alive, otherwise they would think themselves already dead... I
was talking to a friend once who admitted that he would often bump into
people 'accidentally' just to feel one moment of simple human contact that
involved acknowledgement... *bump* "I'm sorry..." other person "It's
alright..." That has to be the most civilized echange that occurs between
perfect strangers who would otherwise ignore eachother completely... and
that is what we have become... a society of drones who ignore eachother.
Men and women, especially from the ages of 20 to 40) have dedicated their
lives to making sure they feel better and they feel happy and they feel
pleasure on a regular basis in order to silently and mostly unknowably
distract themselves from the fact that they are not truly living life. Sure
they are alive... do they feel anything? Outside of malvirtues and the
occassional pleasure associated with laughter, no... Rather, the joy that
one finds through Christ inspires one to truly abandon greed and selfishness
and surrender ones problems to Him in order to start living again.
I don't expect you to understand. Just know that I say all of this to you
not out of superiority, because I am hardly superior. Rather, I speak out
of genuine concern for the welfare of those whom I encounter on a regular
basis. The way this culture is going isn't good. This world will die a
very sad death if it continues on this path. I speak concern because I know
the truth about life. Though I do experience sadness, it is usually
overcome by a strong sense of hope and joy. I just want to share that hope
with you... the hope that although suffering is rampant in this world, if
you trust in Christ and are born of the Spirit you will have a good life on
earth and live for all eternity in joy and wholeness... but if you do not,
you will be lost to death with the rest of the world as Christ has told us.
-RS
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
08 Apr 2005 12:02:37 AM |
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On 07 Apr 2005, RS dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Weapons do encourage killing, though guns have true benefits that
promiscuous sex doesn't have. Rifles can be used to hunt for food.
Educate people so that they know they should only possess a gun if
they need it for the welfare of the family. A man who has a handgun
in his sock drawer to protect his family isn't properly educated.
There are other ways of defending yourself without the use of weapons
and exposing the risk into your household isn't something one should
do. Sure... keep the gun separate and unloaded... keep the bullets
under lock and key... that still doesn't mean a child left unattended
won't be able to find a way to load and fire it by accident.
The only thing a gun can do that a few well-placed words cannot is to
kill your opponent, which is not necessary in most cases. I don't own
any guns. They are for sportsmen - a sport I do not enjoy, and for
paranoid morons who either can't defend themselves intellectually, or
can't recognize a deadly situation before tripping on it.
The situation of a gun is hardly similar in any way.
Sexual promiscuity destroys marriage automatically. Sexual
promiscuity opens ones household to a risk of transmission of a deadly
disease. Sexual promiscuity destroys families. Teenage pregnancies
ruin lives of young children who aren't ready. Our society is lost to
death because of the sexual revolution. It hurts me very deeply that
this world has become one based on sex rather than on morality and
God. Where is human morality? Where is human virtue? Not in the
streets... not in the 60% of American families who are divided by
divorce... not in the pursuit of improving humanity. Rather, this
world is distructive and this society is dying. Liberalism only paves
the way to death.
Sex is animal nature, and a very large proportion of human society is
unmarried, either by choice or because the religious right denies them
the right to union. You cannot deny humans the right to have sex. You
can, however, redefine your pre-historic morality to accept that which
naturally is. Only then can you begin to solve the problem instead of
stuffing it behind the bathroom door.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Darklady" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
08 Apr 2005 03:41:26 PM |
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 00:02:37 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 07 Apr 2005, RS dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Weapons do encourage killing, though guns have true benefits that
promiscuous sex doesn't have. Rifles can be used to hunt for food.
Educate people so that they know they should only possess a gun if
they need it for the welfare of the family. A man who has a handgun
in his sock drawer to protect his family isn't properly educated.
There are other ways of defending yourself without the use of weapons
and exposing the risk into your household isn't something one should
do. Sure... keep the gun separate and unloaded... keep the bullets
under lock and key... that still doesn't mean a child left unattended
won't be able to find a way to load and fire it by accident.
The only thing a gun can do that a few well-placed words cannot is to
kill your opponent, which is not necessary in most cases. I don't own
any guns. They are for sportsmen - a sport I do not enjoy, and for
paranoid morons who either can't defend themselves intellectually, or
can't recognize a deadly situation before tripping on it.
<snip>
I own a gun. I love target shooting. I also have a few spooky
stalkers who like to threaten to drop in unexpectedly once in a while.
I hope never to use my gun for anything other than target shooting.
Firearms have their value when used with respect and
knowledge.
-- Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
http://www.masturbate-a-thon.org
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| User: "Darklady" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
08 Apr 2005 03:39:07 PM |
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On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:44:16 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
"Rusty Shackleford" <rustyshaq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rustyshaq-D11E9E.21203507042005@syrcnyrdrs-01-ge0.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <wNb5e.28617$UW6.9273@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3bksghF636aasU1@individual.net...
But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread
of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
False sense of security.
Guns encourage killing, therefore we need to outlaw guns, based on your
logic. Don't bother teaching people to handle them safely; every human
is far too stupid to think for himself. The Catholic Church will do your
thinking for you.
Weapons do encourage killing, though guns have true benefits that
promiscuous sex doesn't have. Rifles can be used to hunt for food. Educate
people so that they know they should only possess a gun if they need it for
the welfare of the family. A man who has a handgun in his sock drawer to
protect his family isn't properly educated. There are other ways of
defending yourself without the use of weapons and exposing the risk into
your household isn't something one should do. Sure... keep the gun separate
and unloaded... keep the bullets under lock and key... that still doesn't
mean a child left unattended won't be able to find a way to load and fire it
by accident.
It's all about men in your tiny little monochrome world, isn't
it?
This may be a real shock to you, but women are able shooters
and can defend themselves when given proper training and instruction.
BTW, on the off chance you read your own words once you've
puked them onto Usenet, you might re-read the above and see how tidily
you managed to contradict yourself about firearms.
The situation of a gun is hardly similar in any way.
You're right, since sex is natural and healthy and doesn't
require any special equipment.
Sexual promiscuity destroys marriage automatically. Sexual promiscuity
opens ones household to a risk of transmission of a deadly disease. Sexual
promiscuity destroys families. Teenage pregnancies ruin lives of young
children who aren't ready. Our society is lost to death because of the
sexual revolution. It hurts me very deeply that this world has become one
based on sex rather than on morality and God. Where is human morality?
Where is human virtue? Not in the streets... not in the 60% of American
families who are divided by divorce... not in the pursuit of improving
humanity. Rather, this world is distructive and this society is dying.
Liberalism only paves the way to death.
How odd. I know a poly triad that's been together for 20
years. Two men, one woman, children by each husband. The children know
and support their parents' lifestyle and they live a very happy, very
functional, very well-adjusted life.
Those facts really muck with your propaganda.
You, sir, appear to be utterly and completely obsessed by sex
and the sexual revolution. Perhaps YOU have some deep seated problems
that would be better resolved elsewhere?
<snip endorsement of inequality and usual ignorance concerning the
value of health and sometimes non-monogamous/non-marital sexuality>
-- Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
http://www.masturbate-a-thon.org
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
10 Apr 2005 12:38:00 PM |
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:39:07 -0700, Darklady <darklady@darklady.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:44:16 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
"Rusty Shackleford" <rustyshaq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rustyshaq-D11E9E.21203507042005@syrcnyrdrs-01-ge0.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <wNb5e.28617$UW6.9273@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3bksghF636aasU1@individual.net...
But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread
of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
False sense of security.
Guns encourage killing, therefore we need to outlaw guns, based on your
logic. Don't bother teaching people to handle them safely; every human
is far too stupid to think for himself. The Catholic Church will do your
thinking for you.
Weapons do encourage killing, though guns have true benefits that
promiscuous sex doesn't have. Rifles can be used to hunt for food. Educate
people so that they know they should only possess a gun if they need it for
the welfare of the family. A man who has a handgun in his sock drawer to
protect his family isn't properly educated. There are other ways of
defending yourself without the use of weapons and exposing the risk into
your household isn't something one should do. Sure... keep the gun separate
and unloaded... keep the bullets under lock and key... that still doesn't
mean a child left unattended won't be able to find a way to load and fire it
by accident.
It's all about men in your tiny little monochrome world, isn't
it?
This may be a real shock to you, but women are able shooters
and can defend themselves when given proper training and instruction.
BTW, on the off chance you read your own words once you've
puked them onto Usenet, you might re-read the above and see how tidily
you managed to contradict yourself about firearms.
The situation of a gun is hardly similar in any way.
You're right, since sex is natural and healthy and doesn't
require any special equipment.
Sexual promiscuity destroys marriage automatically. Sexual promiscuity
opens ones household to a risk of transmission of a deadly disease. Sexual
promiscuity destroys families. Teenage pregnancies ruin lives of young
children who aren't ready. Our society is lost to death because of the
sexual revolution. It hurts me very deeply that this world has become one
based on sex rather than on morality and God. Where is human morality?
Where is human virtue? Not in the streets... not in the 60% of American
families who are divided by divorce... not in the pursuit of improving
humanity. Rather, this world is distructive and this society is dying.
Liberalism only paves the way to death.
How odd. I know a poly triad that's been together for 20
years. Two men, one woman, children by each husband. The children know
and support their parents' lifestyle and they live a very happy, very
functional, very well-adjusted life.
Those facts really muck with your propaganda.
You, sir, appear to be utterly and completely obsessed by sex
and the sexual revolution. Perhaps YOU have some deep seated problems
that would be better resolved elsewhere?
<snip endorsement of inequality and usual ignorance concerning the
value of health and sometimes non-monogamous/non-marital sexuality>
(sigh) So many sad and pathetic mental cases like RS in the world.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Darklady" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
10 Apr 2005 01:55:28 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:38:00 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:39:07 -0700, Darklady <darklady@darklady.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:44:16 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
"Rusty Shackleford" <rustyshaq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rustyshaq-D11E9E.21203507042005@syrcnyrdrs-01-ge0.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <wNb5e.28617$UW6.9273@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3bksghF636aasU1@individual.net...
But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread
of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
False sense of security.
Guns encourage killing, therefore we need to outlaw guns, based on your
logic. Don't bother teaching people to handle them safely; every human
is far too stupid to think for himself. The Catholic Church will do your
thinking for you.
Weapons do encourage killing, though guns have true benefits that
promiscuous sex doesn't have. Rifles can be used to hunt for food. Educate
people so that they know they should only possess a gun if they need it for
the welfare of the family. A man who has a handgun in his sock drawer to
protect his family isn't properly educated. There are other ways of
defending yourself without the use of weapons and exposing the risk into
your household isn't something one should do. Sure... keep the gun separate
and unloaded... keep the bullets under lock and key... that still doesn't
mean a child left unattended won't be able to find a way to load and fire it
by accident.
It's all about men in your tiny little monochrome world, isn't
it?
This may be a real shock to you, but women are able shooters
and can defend themselves when given proper training and instruction.
BTW, on the off chance you read your own words once you've
puked them onto Usenet, you might re-read the above and see how tidily
you managed to contradict yourself about firearms.
The situation of a gun is hardly similar in any way.
You're right, since sex is natural and healthy and doesn't
require any special equipment.
Sexual promiscuity destroys marriage automatically. Sexual promiscuity
opens ones household to a risk of transmission of a deadly disease. Sexual
promiscuity destroys families. Teenage pregnancies ruin lives of young
children who aren't ready. Our society is lost to death because of the
sexual revolution. It hurts me very deeply that this world has become one
based on sex rather than on morality and God. Where is human morality?
Where is human virtue? Not in the streets... not in the 60% of American
families who are divided by divorce... not in the pursuit of improving
humanity. Rather, this world is distructive and this society is dying.
Liberalism only paves the way to death.
How odd. I know a poly triad that's been together for 20
years. Two men, one woman, children by each husband. The children know
and support their parents' lifestyle and they live a very happy, very
functional, very well-adjusted life.
Those facts really muck with your propaganda.
You, sir, appear to be utterly and completely obsessed by sex
and the sexual revolution. Perhaps YOU have some deep seated problems
that would be better resolved elsewhere?
<snip endorsement of inequality and usual ignorance concerning the
value of health and sometimes non-monogamous/non-marital sexuality>
(sigh) So many sad and pathetic mental cases like RS in the world.
Yeah, I wonder if his conception was planned... or the result of
the kind of sex he's so afraid of.
-- Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
http://www.masturbate-a-thon.org
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| User: "Natalie Clifford Barney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
10 Apr 2005 02:12:56 PM |
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Darklady wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:38:00 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:39:07 -0700, Darklady <darklady@darklady.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:44:16 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
"Rusty Shackleford" <rustyshaq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rustyshaq-D11E9E.21203507042005@syrcnyrdrs-01-ge0.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <wNb5e.28617$UW6.9273@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3bksghF636aasU1@individual.net...
But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread
of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
False sense of security.
Guns encourage killing, therefore we need to outlaw guns, based on your
logic. Don't bother teaching people to handle them safely; every human
is far too stupid to think for himself. The Catholic Church will do your
thinking for you.
Weapons do encourage killing, though guns have true benefits that
promiscuous sex doesn't have. Rifles can be used to hunt for food. Educate
people so that they know they should only possess a gun if they need it for
the welfare of the family. A man who has a handgun in his sock drawer to
protect his family isn't properly educated. There are other ways of
defending yourself without the use of weapons and exposing the risk into
your household isn't something one should do. Sure... keep the gun separate
and unloaded... keep the bullets under lock and key... that still doesn't
mean a child left unattended won't be able to find a way to load and fire it
by accident.
It's all about men in your tiny little monochrome world, isn't
it?
This may be a real shock to you, but women are able shooters
and can defend themselves when given proper training and instruction.
BTW, on the off chance you read your own words once you've
puked them onto Usenet, you might re-read the above and see how tidily
you managed to contradict yourself about firearms.
The situation of a gun is hardly similar in any way.
You're right, since sex is natural and healthy and doesn't
require any special equipment.
Sexual promiscuity destroys marriage automatically. Sexual promiscuity
opens ones household to a risk of transmission of a deadly disease. Sexual
promiscuity destroys families. Teenage pregnancies ruin lives of young
children who aren't ready. Our society is lost to death because of the
sexual revolution. It hurts me very deeply that this world has become one
based on sex rather than on morality and God. Where is human morality?
Where is human virtue? Not in the streets... not in the 60% of American
families who are divided by divorce... not in the pursuit of improving
humanity. Rather, this world is distructive and this society is dying.
Liberalism only paves the way to death.
How odd. I know a poly triad that's been together for 20
years. Two men, one woman, children by each husband. The children know
and support their parents' lifestyle and they live a very happy, very
functional, very well-adjusted life.
Those facts really muck with your propaganda.
You, sir, appear to be utterly and completely obsessed by sex
and the sexual revolution. Perhaps YOU have some deep seated problems
that would be better resolved elsewhere?
<snip endorsement of inequality and usual ignorance concerning the
value of health and sometimes non-monogamous/non-marital sexuality>
(sigh) So many sad and pathetic mental cases like RS in the world.
Yeah, I wonder if his conception was planned... or the result of
the kind of sex he's so afraid of.
-- Darklady
Cloned from Richard Nixon but raised by fundies?
http://www.darklady.com
http://www.masturbate-a-thon.org
--
"Her wit inspired laughter, but it could just as easily cut. It was heaven to be
the focus of those startling blue eyes and that energetic mind, but hell when the
attention turned elsewhere."
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| User: "stoney" |
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11 Apr 2005 05:08:25 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:12:56 GMT, Natalie Clifford Barney
<SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
Darklady wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:38:00 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:39:07 -0700, Darklady <darklady@darklady.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:44:16 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
"Rusty Shackleford" <rustyshaq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rustyshaq-D11E9E.21203507042005@syrcnyrdrs-01-ge0.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <wNb5e.28617$UW6.9273@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3bksghF636aasU1@individual.net...
But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread
of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
False sense of security.
Guns encourage killing, therefore we need to outlaw guns, based on your
logic. Don't bother teaching people to handle them safely; every human
is far too stupid to think for himself. The Catholic Church will do your
thinking for you.
Weapons do encourage killing, though guns have true benefits that
promiscuous sex doesn't have. Rifles can be used to hunt for food. Educate
people so that they know they should only possess a gun if they need it for
the welfare of the family. A man who has a handgun in his sock drawer to
protect his family isn't properly educated. There are other ways of
defending yourself without the use of weapons and exposing the risk into
your household isn't something one should do. Sure... keep the gun separate
and unloaded... keep the bullets under lock and key... that still doesn't
mean a child left unattended won't be able to find a way to load and fire it
by accident.
It's all about men in your tiny little monochrome world, isn't
it?
This may be a real shock to you, but women are able shooters
and can defend themselves when given proper training and instruction.
BTW, on the off chance you read your own words once you've
puked them onto Usenet, you might re-read the above and see how tidily
you managed to contradict yourself about firearms.
The situation of a gun is hardly similar in any way.
You're right, since sex is natural and healthy and doesn't
require any special equipment.
Sexual promiscuity destroys marriage automatically. Sexual promiscuity
opens ones household to a risk of transmission of a deadly disease. Sexual
promiscuity destroys families. Teenage pregnancies ruin lives of young
children who aren't ready. Our society is lost to death because of the
sexual revolution. It hurts me very deeply that this world has become one
based on sex rather than on morality and God. Where is human morality?
Where is human virtue? Not in the streets... not in the 60% of American
families who are divided by divorce... not in the pursuit of improving
humanity. Rather, this world is distructive and this society is dying.
Liberalism only paves the way to death.
How odd. I know a poly triad that's been together for 20
years. Two men, one woman, children by each husband. The children know
and support their parents' lifestyle and they live a very happy, very
functional, very well-adjusted life.
Those facts really muck with your propaganda.
You, sir, appear to be utterly and completely obsessed by sex
and the sexual revolution. Perhaps YOU have some deep seated problems
that would be better resolved elsewhere?
<snip endorsement of inequality and usual ignorance concerning the
value of health and sometimes non-monogamous/non-marital sexuality>
(sigh) So many sad and pathetic mental cases like RS in the world.
Yeah, I wonder if his conception was planned... or the result of
the kind of sex he's so afraid of.
-- Darklady
Cloned from Richard Nixon but raised by fundies?
Can't be. It is anything but tricky.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Clothaire" |
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10 Apr 2005 07:03:35 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:55:28 -0700, Darklady <darklady@darklady.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:38:00 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:39:07 -0700, Darklady <darklady@darklady.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:44:16 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
"Rusty Shackleford" <rustyshaq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rustyshaq-D11E9E.21203507042005@syrcnyrdrs-01-ge0.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <wNb5e.28617$UW6.9273@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3bksghF636aasU1@individual.net...
But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread
of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
False sense of security.
Guns encourage killing, therefore we need to outlaw guns, based on your
logic. Don't bother teaching people to handle them safely; every human
is far too stupid to think for himself. The Catholic Church will do your
thinking for you.
Weapons do encourage killing, though guns have true benefits that
promiscuous sex doesn't have. Rifles can be used to hunt for food. Educate
people so that they know they should only possess a gun if they need it for
the welfare of the family. A man who has a handgun in his sock drawer to
protect his family isn't properly educated. There are other ways of
defending yourself without the use of weapons and exposing the risk into
your household isn't something one should do. Sure... keep the gun separate
and unloaded... keep the bullets under lock and key... that still doesn't
mean a child left unattended won't be able to find a way to load and fire it
by accident.
It's all about men in your tiny little monochrome world, isn't
it?
This may be a real shock to you, but women are able shooters
and can defend themselves when given proper training and instruction.
BTW, on the off chance you read your own words once you've
puked them onto Usenet, you might re-read the above and see how tidily
you managed to contradict yourself about firearms.
The situation of a gun is hardly similar in any way.
You're right, since sex is natural and healthy and doesn't
require any special equipment.
Sexual promiscuity destroys marriage automatically. Sexual promiscuity
opens ones household to a risk of transmission of a deadly disease. Sexual
promiscuity destroys families. Teenage pregnancies ruin lives of young
children who aren't ready. Our society is lost to death because of the
sexual revolution. It hurts me very deeply that this world has become one
based on sex rather than on morality and God. Where is human morality?
Where is human virtue? Not in the streets... not in the 60% of American
families who are divided by divorce... not in the pursuit of improving
humanity. Rather, this world is distructive and this society is dying.
Liberalism only paves the way to death.
How odd. I know a poly triad that's been together for 20
years. Two men, one woman, children by each husband. The children know
and support their parents' lifestyle and they live a very happy, very
functional, very well-adjusted life.
Those facts really muck with your propaganda.
You, sir, appear to be utterly and completely obsessed by sex
and the sexual revolution. Perhaps YOU have some deep seated problems
that would be better resolved elsewhere?
<snip endorsement of inequality and usual ignorance concerning the
value of health and sometimes non-monogamous/non-marital sexuality>
(sigh) So many sad and pathetic mental cases like RS in the world.
Yeah, I wonder if his conception was planned... or the result of
the kind of sex he's so afraid of.
-- Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
http://www.masturbate-a-thon.org
Darklady--I still remember your treatise on the best way to remove
anal beads.
Clothaire #1392
"So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while
he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place
with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken
out of the man, and he brought her to the man."--The Holy Bible
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
11 Apr 2005 05:07:37 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:55:28 -0700, Darklady <darklady@darklady.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:38:00 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:39:07 -0700, Darklady <darklady@darklady.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:44:16 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
"Rusty Shackleford" <rustyshaq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rustyshaq-D11E9E.21203507042005@syrcnyrdrs-01-ge0.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <wNb5e.28617$UW6.9273@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3bksghF636aasU1@individual.net...
But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread
of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
False sense of security.
Guns encourage killing, therefore we need to outlaw guns, based on your
logic. Don't bother teaching people to handle them safely; every human
is far too stupid to think for himself. The Catholic Church will do your
thinking for you.
Weapons do encourage killing, though guns have true benefits that
promiscuous sex doesn't have. Rifles can be used to hunt for food. Educate
people so that they know they should only possess a gun if they need it for
the welfare of the family. A man who has a handgun in his sock drawer to
protect his family isn't properly educated. There are other ways of
defending yourself without the use of weapons and exposing the risk into
your household isn't something one should do. Sure... keep the gun separate
and unloaded... keep the bullets under lock and key... that still doesn't
mean a child left unattended won't be able to find a way to load and fire it
by accident.
It's all about men in your tiny little monochrome world, isn't
it?
This may be a real shock to you, but women are able shooters
and can defend themselves when given proper training and instruction.
BTW, on the off chance you read your own words once you've
puked them onto Usenet, you might re-read the above and see how tidily
you managed to contradict yourself about firearms.
The situation of a gun is hardly similar in any way.
You're right, since sex is natural and healthy and doesn't
require any special equipment.
Sexual promiscuity destroys marriage automatically. Sexual promiscuity
opens ones household to a risk of transmission of a deadly disease. Sexual
promiscuity destroys families. Teenage pregnancies ruin lives of young
children who aren't ready. Our society is lost to death because of the
sexual revolution. It hurts me very deeply that this world has become one
based on sex rather than on morality and God. Where is human morality?
Where is human virtue? Not in the streets... not in the 60% of American
families who are divided by divorce... not in the pursuit of improving
humanity. Rather, this world is distructive and this society is dying.
Liberalism only paves the way to death.
How odd. I know a poly triad that's been together for 20
years. Two men, one woman, children by each husband. The children know
and support their parents' lifestyle and they live a very happy, very
functional, very well-adjusted life.
Those facts really muck with your propaganda.
You, sir, appear to be utterly and completely obsessed by sex
and the sexual revolution. Perhaps YOU have some deep seated problems
that would be better resolved elsewhere?
<snip endorsement of inequality and usual ignorance concerning the
value of health and sometimes non-monogamous/non-marital sexuality>
(sigh) So many sad and pathetic mental cases like RS in the world.
Yeah, I wonder if his conception was planned... or the result of
the kind of sex he's so afraid of.
The latter-more than likely.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Alan Ferris" |
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08 Apr 2005 03:24:26 AM |
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On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:44:16 -0400, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
Weapons do encourage killing,
Do you find your guns talking to you then?
I can stand in the same room with a gun and it never speaks to me or
encourages me to do anything. Also strangely it never fires itself
either.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
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| User: "Miranda Writes, Devils Advocate" |
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08 Apr 2005 03:13:24 PM |
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In article
, Rusty Shackleford <rustyshaq@hotmail.com> wrote:
In article <wNb5e.28617$UW6.9273@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3bksghF636aasU1@individual.net...
But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread
of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
False sense of security.
Guns encourage killing, therefore we need to outlaw guns, based on your
logic. Don't bother teaching people to handle them safely; every human
is far too stupid to think for himself. The Catholic Church will do your
thinking for you
Hey Rusty- don't I know you from somewhere? ; )
Miranda Writes, Devil's Advocate
a.a. # 1596
EAC State Bar # 666
AFJC/ARC Denizen of Darkness# $665.99
Damned by Dore # 3:16
Abogada CUSSARD Numero Uno
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| User: "Rusty Shackleford" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
11 Apr 2005 10:26:46 PM |
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In article
<mirandafairandbalanced-050466.16132308042005@news.west.earthlink.net>,
"Miranda Writes, Devil's Advocate"
<mirandafairandbalanced@moonpie.com> wrote:
Hey Rusty- don't I know you from somewhere? ; )
Miranda Writes, Devil's Advocate
a.a. # 1596
EAC State Bar # 666
AFJC/ARC Denizen of Darkness# $665.99
Damned by Dore # 3:16
Abogada CUSSARD Numero Uno
Only if you've been through Arlen, Texas recently :-)
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| User: "Miranda Writes, Devils Advocate" |
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12 Apr 2005 02:38:29 PM |
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In article
<rustyshaq-E1FED4.23264611042005@syrcnyrdrs-03-ge0.nyroc.rr.com>, Rusty
Shackleford <rustyshaq@hotmail.com> wrote:
In article ,
"Miranda Writes, Devil's Advocate"
<mirandafairandbalanced@moonpie.com> wrote:
Hey Rusty- don't I know you from somewhere? ; )
Miranda Writes, Devil's Advocate
a.a. # 1596
EAC State Bar # 666
AFJC/ARC Denizen of Darkness# $665.99
Damned by Dore # 3:16
Abogada CUSSARD Numero Uno
Only if you've been through Arlen, Texas recently :-)
Been through Garland!
How 'bout that Tom Landry Junior High Football Team? Yeh, bubba!
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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07 Apr 2005 03:00:18 PM |
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bam wrote:
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3bksghF636aasU1@individual.net...
But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
False sense of security.
Watch your temper.
By the same type of argument many forms of Christianity encourage sin,
by letting the sinner think sin will be forgiven.
Doesn't faithfulness also encourage a false sense of security? I can't
get AIDS because I'm totally faithful to my husban... OH *****!
It only takes one act of infidelity by either partner to destroy the
family. Unless of course they use condoms when they cheat on each other.
100% condom use, even if only for "fornication", is a hell of a lot more
attainable a target than 100% marital fidelity.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org
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| User: "bam" |
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07 Apr 2005 04:03:26 PM |
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"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote
By the same type of argument many forms of Christianity encourage sin, by
letting the sinner think sin will be forgiven.
Or by saying "once saved, always saved".
The Catholic Church, however requires repentance, Confession and a firm
purpose of amendment for all sins. I've never come a cross a greater
deterrent to sin than realizing that eventually, it would have to be told by
you to a priest.
BAM
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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08 Apr 2005 05:41:28 AM |
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bam wrote:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote
By the same type of argument many forms of Christianity encourage sin, by
letting the sinner think sin will be forgiven.
Or by saying "once saved, always saved".
The Catholic Church, however requires repentance, Confession and a firm
purpose of amendment for all sins. I've never come a cross a greater
deterrent to sin than realizing that eventually, it would have to be told by
you to a priest.
Does that explain why Catholics are never gangsters? Apart from most of
them, obviously.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org
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| User: "JimR" |
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11 Apr 2005 08:23:25 AM |
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"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:3bn5faF6jddinU2@individual.net...
Does that explain why Catholics are never gangsters? Apart from most of
them, obviously.
Oh, my! Aren't we witty!
You are, indeed, a moron!
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| User: "bam" |
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08 Apr 2005 09:09:09 AM |
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"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:3bn5faF6jddinU2@individual.net...
bam wrote:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote
By the same type of argument many forms of Christianity encourage sin, by
letting the sinner think sin will be forgiven.
Or by saying "once saved, always saved".
The Catholic Church, however requires repentance, Confession and a firm
purpose of amendment for all sins. I've never come a cross a greater
deterrent to sin than realizing that eventually, it would have to be told
by you to a priest.
Does that explain why Catholics are never gangsters? Apart from most of
them, obviously.
--
Martin Willett
Yes, there are bad Catholics that become gangsters. (about as religious as
doorknobs). But there will always be gansters as nature abhors a vacuum. The
Italians just happened to get to the top by being the toughest.
NOw that you've lost your third argument, will you change the subject once
again?
BAM
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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09 Apr 2005 02:35:20 PM |
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bam wrote:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:3bn5faF6jddinU2@individual.net...
bam wrote:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote
By the same type of argument many forms of Christianity encourage sin, by
letting the sinner think sin will be forgiven.
Or by saying "once saved, always saved".
The Catholic Church, however requires repentance, Confession and a firm
purpose of amendment for all sins. I've never come a cross a greater
deterrent to sin than realizing that eventually, it would have to be told
by you to a priest.
Does that explain why Catholics are never gangsters? Apart from most of
them, obviously.
--
Martin Willett
Yes, there are bad Catholics that become gangsters. (about as religious as
doorknobs). But there will always be gansters as nature abhors a vacuum. The
Italians just happened to get to the top by being the toughest.
NOw that you've lost your third argument, will you change the subject once
again?
I hadn't noticed me losing any actually. Have you been reading something
I haven't? Obviously you must if you consider the post above to be some
kind of a killer blow. Catholics are not obviously virtuous people, they
are not noticably less criminal or corrupt than any other group of
people you might wish to compare them to. Catholics are over-represented
in prisons, atheists are under-represented. The priesthood has its fair
share of drunkards, thieves and scoundrels and more than its fair share
of paedophiles and sadists. Confession does seem to be a reasonable form
of rehabilitation and therapy but its role as a deterrent looks
difficult to prove.
Doesn't the fear of confession only prove the lack of faith in God's
final judgement? If people internalized morality they wouldn't need to
be afraid of confession or damnation because they would not sin simply
because they knew it to be wrong. Neither would they sin if they
sincerely believed in divine punishment. Fear of confession shows one or
both of those mechanisms not working.
It is a common argument among theists that anybody who claims to believe
the same as they do but does something bad isn't sincere as a believer.
Whether that be Islamic terrorists not being real Muslims or Catholic
gangsters or abortion clinic bombers not being true Christians. How can
you make those judgements?
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org
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| User: "JimR" |
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11 Apr 2005 08:22:36 AM |
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"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:3blhr3F6jv6urU1@individual.net...
It only takes one act of infidelity by either partner to destroy the
family. Unless of course they use condoms when they cheat on each other.
IS YOUR ENTIRE WORLD SEEN THROUGH THE FILTER OF YOUR SEXUALITY?
Have you achieved anything of any worth in this life, or do you just go
rutting about like some farmyard animal?
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| User: "Alison" |
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11 Apr 2005 10:02:26 AM |
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In <wSu6e.4128$lP1.1019@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> JimR wrote:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:3blhr3F6jv6urU1@individual.net...
It only takes one act of infidelity by either partner to destroy the
family. Unless of course they use condoms when they cheat on each other.
IS YOUR ENTIRE WORLD SEEN THROUGH THE FILTER OF YOUR SEXUALITY?
Have you achieved anything of any worth in this life, or do you just go
rutting about like some farmyard animal?
Message for you, Jimmer;
"IS YOUR ENTIRE WORLD SEEN THROUGH THE FILTER OF YOUR SEXUALITY?"
-- Ali
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| User: "RS" |
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07 Apr 2005 11:31:14 PM |
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"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:3blhr3F6jv6urU1@individual.net...
bam wrote:
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3bksghF636aasU1@individual.net...
But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
False sense of security.
Watch your temper.
By the same type of argument many forms of Christianity encourage sin, by
letting the sinner think sin will be forgiven.
Doesn't faithfulness also encourage a false sense of security? I can't get
AIDS because I'm totally faithful to my husban... OH *****!
It only takes one act of infidelity by either partner to destroy the
family. Unless of course they use condoms when they cheat on each other.
100% condom use, even if only for "fornication", is a hell of a lot more
attainable a target than 100% marital fidelity.
You see, it is this attitude which renders a dying society. Sex is more
important than God in this world. Those priorities are backwards. The plan
will only work if people will understand it and follow it. For the most
part, it is men who need to start being men and start taking responsibility.
A man who cheats on his wife isn't a man. A man who brings a deadly disease
into his bedroom and transfers it to his wife isn't a man.
There can't be exceptions. There can't be negotiations. God's will is
unegotiable. It is all or none. None means death. All means life. If a
man is going to cheat on his wife, he would be stupid not to use protection.
That doesn't mean his using protection makes his sin a smart sin. Rather,
the sin is still very stupid because it destroys the vows he made to his
wife. Infidelity is sin.
All or nothing
I am telling you this simple fact: If the world followed the plan God
outlined for sexual morality, then the world would be free from STD's. In
that, if people didn't follow homosexual tendencies, if people didn't
fornicate, and if a man and a woman only had sexual relations with eachother
if they were in marriage, such is a world of sexual purity. I don't think
this is going to solve all the world's problems. It is, however,
unattainble for the vast majority of the world because the vast majority of
the world has rejected God. Rather, for those who are born of the Spirit,
this is a solution to strengthen the family unit and take responsibility for
your actions. A man makes a vow to his wife. Any man who breaks that vow
has no right to call himself a man, for ones manhood isn't prescribed by his
physical genetalia, but by his ability to take responsibility and be
unfaltering in his dedications to those whom rely on him.
-RS
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| User: "JimR" |
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11 Apr 2005 08:26:38 AM |
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"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:d351ff$hu1$1@news3.bu.edu...
I am telling you this simple fact: If the world followed the plan God
outlined for sexual morality, then the world would be free from STD's.
On alt.recovery.catholicism they not only mock any sense of sexual morality,
but the faggots have virtually taken over the newsgroup, and they openly
boast about the depraved things that they do with one another.
This comes from having too much leisure. "Idle hands are the Devil's
workshop!"
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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08 Apr 2005 02:44:57 AM |
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RS wrote:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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bam wrote:
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
False sense of security.
Watch your temper.
By the same type of argument many forms of Christianity encourage sin, by
letting the sinner think sin will be forgiven.
Doesn't faithfulness also encourage a false sense of security? I can't get
AIDS because I'm totally faithful to my husban... OH *****!
It only takes one act of infidelity by either partner to destroy the
family. Unless of course they use condoms when they cheat on each other.
100% condom use, even if only for "fornication", is a hell of a lot more
attainable a target than 100% marital fidelity.
You see, it is this attitude which renders a dying society. Sex is more
important than God in this world. Those priorities are backwards. The plan
will only work if people will understand it and follow it. For the most
part, it is men who need to start being men and start taking responsibility.
A man who cheats on his wife isn't a man. A man who brings a deadly disease
into his bedroom and transfers it to his wife isn't a man.
As there are no gods sex is more important.
There can't be exceptions. There can't be negotiations. God's will is
unegotiable. It is all or none. None means death. All means life. If a
man is going to cheat on his wife, he would be stupid not to use protection.
That doesn't mean his using protection makes his sin a smart sin. Rather,
the sin is still very stupid because it destroys the vows he made to his
wife. Infidelity is sin.
If your god's will is non-negotiable why will it take several days of
conclave to work out what it is?
The God hypothesis is absurd. It is damaging the cause of morality and
good living by clouding the matter with *****. Plenty of thoroughly
nasty, selfish, spiteful and manipulative people go to church, plenty of
thoroughly decent, moral and honourable people have no superstitious
beliefs at all.
All or nothing
I am telling you this simple fact: If the world followed the plan God
outlined for sexual morality, then the world would be free from STD's. In
that, if people didn't follow homosexual tendencies, if people didn't
fornicate, and if a man and a woman only had sexual relations with eachother
if they were in marriage, such is a world of sexual purity. I don't think
this is going to solve all the world's problems. It is, however,
unattainble for the vast majority of the world because the vast majority of
the world has rejected God. Rather, for those who are born of the Spirit,
this is a solution to strengthen the family unit and take responsibility for
your actions. A man makes a vow to his wife. Any man who breaks that vow
has no right to call himself a man, for ones manhood isn't prescribed by his
physical genetalia, but by his ability to take responsibility and be
unfaltering in his dedications to those whom rely on him.
I agree with you. If men didn't have sex with anybody except a single
partner and kept that partner for life venereal diseases would
disappear. It isn't going to happen though, is it? You lot have been
trying for the best part of two thousand years to get your message
across and you are as far away from attaining that goal now as you have
ever been. It isn't working. There's no good reason to expect that
carrying on in the same vein will ever have any different result. Your
religion has failed. It has failed to end fornication, it has failed to
end greed, poverty and crime. It has failed everything it has ever
attempted to achieve except to spread superstitious and irrational beliefs.
Your Church, your faith and your God have failed their own goals and
have failed humanity.
Do you mind getting out of the way please and letting somebody else have
a go at moral leadership?
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org
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| User: "RS" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
07 Apr 2005 09:38:12 AM |
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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
Do they leap on your little general and drag you kicking and screaming to
the nearest HIV infected woman, deliberately splitting at an inopportune
momment?
Your ignorance is truly astounding.
How long ago was it since you were in high school? When kids have condoms,
they are more encouraged to have sex. Who is more likely to have sex?
Someone who is tempted to be sexually active who has a condom, or someone
who is tempted to be sexually active who doesn't have a condom?
Condoms encourage sex by making sex "safe". It removes from the situation a
negative condition leading way to a higher chance that a person will engage
in sexual activity. AIDS is spread by sexual intercourse (vaginal or anal).
Anything that encourages sexual intercourse encourages the spread of AIDS.
Abstinence doesn't encourage sexual intercouse.
Here's what it breaks down to: Don't have sex and you won't get HIV.
The funny thing is, HIV is a virus. You can't tell if your partner has it.
You can only trust that when they say they don't, they really mean that they
don't. Therefore, don't sleep with anyone unless you are married. And
before you sleep with your wife, if you both have a past sexual history,
both of you should be tested for HIV.
A condom splitting isn't the only way it can be transferred. Condoms were
created to prevent pregnancy. A condom is 99% effective in preventing
pregnancy. An HIV virus is much smaller than a sperm cell. Therefore, even
a smaller puncture (microscopic) in the condom can cause transmission,
especially from a man to a woman (or a man to a man).
The plan is simple:
Do not have sexual intercourse unless you are married
If you know you have the virus, do not engage in any sexual acts for the
duration of your life. If you do, you prove that a single moment of lust is
more important than the health of the person you are having sexual relations
with. This is both selfish and evil.
The end. That is God's plan for ending this pandemic. People are stupid
however and love an orgasm more than they love God. Men need to stop
worrying about where their penis is and start worrying about where their
heart is.
-RS
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| Title: Re: Catholics kill babies |
07 Apr 2005 01:27:49 PM |
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"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:d33glb$5nt$1@news3.bu.edu...
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3bksghF636aasU1@individual.net...
But condoms encourage sex, therefore, condoms "encourage" the spread of
AIDS. They're not 100% safe. Abstinence is.
BAM
How on earth do condoms encourage sex and aids?
Do they leap on your little general and drag you kicking and screaming to
the nearest HIV infected woman, deliberately splitting at an inopportune
momment?
Your ignorance is truly astounding.
How long ago was it since you were in high school? When kids have
condoms, they are more encouraged to have sex. Who is more likely to have
sex? Someone who is tempted to be sexually active who has a condom, or
someone who is tempted to be sexually active who doesn't have a condom?
Easy answer.
The one who has the most opportunity.
If you think otherwise, then you really don't understand why high school
kids want to have sex.
It has nothing to do with whether they are in possession of a condom or not.
Condoms encourage sex by making sex "safe". It removes from the situation
a negative condition leading way to a higher chance that a person will
engage in sexual activity. AIDS is spread by sexual intercourse (vaginal
or anal). Anything that encourages sexual intercourse encourages the
spread of AIDS. Abstinence doesn't encourage sexual intercouse.
Who the hell wants abstinence?
Certainly not the high school kids you mentioned.
Get used to the idea that they will have sex, whether you approve or not,
then you might understand why they are better off with a condom.
Here's what it breaks down to: Don't have sex and you won't get HIV.
If we didn't have sex there wouldn't be anyone around to contract HIV.
The funny thing is, HIV is a virus.
I fail to see the humour in that statement.
You can't tell if your partner has it. You can only trust that when they
say they don't, they really mean that they don't. Therefore, don't sleep
with anyone unless you are married.
Or use a condom
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