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User:	"Sound of Trumpet"
Date:	18 Mar 2007 07:19:30 PM
Object:	Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions

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Vatican Prelate: Catholics will "do everything possible" to prevent
Homosexual Civil Unions
LifeSiteNews ^ | 3/12/07 | Gudrun Schultz
Posted on 03/12/2007 5:22:07 PM PDT by wagglebee
VATICAN CITY, March 12, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Legislation
permitting de facto and same-sex unions would be so damaging to family
life and society that Catholics will do "everything possible" to
ensure the laws do not pass, the head of the Pontifical Academy for
Life said last week.
"Catholics will do everything to shed light on the debate, and will do
everything possible so that these proposals will not pass," said
Bishop Elio Sgreccia, during a press conference at Vatican Radio.
"Everything based on untruths is destined to damage someone, if not
many people."
Zenit News Agency reported March 7 on Bishop Sgreccia comments at the
Rome launch of a book on the issue by Carlo Casini, a European
Parliamentary member representing Italy. Casini's book was titled
"Unioni di fatto, matrimonio, figli: tra ideologia e realt=E0" (De Facto
Unions, Marriage, Children: Between Ideology and Facts), published in
Italian by Societ=E0 Editrice Fiorentina.
Bishop Sgreccia said the Church's objections to de facto unions simply
upheld laws established by international and national legislation,
recognizing the family as the foundation of human society. The bishop
referred to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights where it states
that "the family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society
and is entitled to protection by society and the state."
"If family stability is weakened, the fundamental group unit of
society is also weakened," Bishop Sgreccia said.
Homosexual unions would go "against a law of nature," he said, since
"in the corporality of man and woman there is written natural and
structural complementarity pertaining to emotional life, sexual life
and the procreation of children."
"Natural law expresses the good sense" of that union between a man and
a woman, Bishop Sgreccia said.
Further, the family is essential for economic health and social
progress.
"If we wish to see an economy that has as its main unit family health,
then we must take into account that the de facto families,
constitutionally precarious, are the source, as well as divorce and
separations, of social and economic instability."
Far from encouraging the establishment of de facto unions, "the state
would do well in helping youth by teaching them the formation of a
true family, with a civic or religious marriage, but stable, and with
an eased access to house and work."
"This is where the money should be spent," said the bishop, "and not
creating marital precariousness."
Permitting legal unions apart from marriage injures young people by
"placing them in a situation that does not give security, that does
not give stability or serenity."
At the same time, legalizing homosexual unions does not address the
real needs of people dealing with same-sex attraction, the bishop
said.
"[G]ay pride certainly does not help them in overcoming their
suffering, which instead must be faced with human understanding, with
medical and psychological sciences, and with promotional attitudes of
all the good qualities that exist in these persons."
See related LifeSiteNews coverage:
Vatican Bishop: Humanity Heading for "Self-Genocide"
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jan/07012607.html
Bishop Sgreccia Named President of Pontifical Academy For Life
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jan/05010308.html
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User: "Cary Kittrell"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	27 Mar 2007 02:44:02 PM

"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>

"Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:17:33 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
<xTVNh.21229$Ht2.8753@trnddc06> wrote:

| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
| news:gavf031oa87od75ug74ksspkuhglbh22pm@4ax.com...
| > On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:58:47 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality

[snip]

| >>| >>| >>| >>>>Show where Lott committed incest....
| >>| >>| >>| >>>Such a "Christian" you are! Don't even know the Bible?
| >>| >>| >>| >> Of course I know it...
| >>| >>| >>| > And yet you asked the question...
| >>| >>| >>| Because I KNEW Lott DIDN'T commit incest....
| >>| >>| > American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third
| >>Edition
| >>| >>| > incest
| >>| >>| > Sexual relations between relatives who are forbidden by law to
| >>marry;
| >>| >>| > for example, between father and daughter or mother and son.
| >>| >>| >>| I always prefer to have a liar out themselves by they
themselves
| >>| >>posting
| >>| >>| >>| that which traps them....
| >>| >>| He was unconscious. Physically immobile. He was raped. He
| >>therefore
| >>| >>| didn't commit incest. However, it was committed to him.
| >>| > Yet God condoned the daughters actions and Lotss' inactions.
| >>| And you can prove that how?
| > Considering the he just destroyed 2 cities but couldn't stop 2
| > pregnancies to continue until birth....
| Destroying 2 cities proves God didn't condon it.
| But why would God punish unborn fully innocent children?

Oh that's right. God preferred the children to be alive so that could
be dashed against the rocks.

Cite?

God's Beloved, King David, certainly seemed to find the prospect
a pleasant one:
Psalm 137
1 By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept
when we remembered Zion.
2 There on the poplars
we hung our harps,
3 for there our captors asked us for songs,
our tormentors demanded songs of joy;
they said, "Sing us one of the songs of Zion!"
4 How can we sing the songs of the LORD
while in a foreign land?
5 If I forget you, O Jerusalem,
may my right hand forget its skill .
6 May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth
if I do not remember you,
if I do not consider Jerusalem
my highest joy.
7 Remember, O LORD, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell.
"Tear it down," they cried,
"tear it down to its foundations!"
8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you
for what you have done to us-
9 he who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.

-- cary
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User: "stumper"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual CivilUnions	27 Mar 2007 03:27:34 PM

Cary Kittrell wrote:

"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>

"Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:uvkg031k7e3s0pfjhl9md5g03550qvhv07@4ax.com...

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:17:33 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
<xTVNh.21229$Ht2.8753@trnddc06> wrote:

| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
| news:gavf031oa87od75ug74ksspkuhglbh22pm@4ax.com...
| > On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:58:47 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality

[snip]

Oh that's right. God preferred the children to be alive so that could
be dashed against the rocks.

Cite?

God's Beloved, King David, certainly seemed to find the prospect
a pleasant one:

Psalm 137

1 By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept
when we remembered Zion.

2 There on the poplars
we hung our harps,

3 for there our captors asked us for songs,
our tormentors demanded songs of joy;
they said, "Sing us one of the songs of Zion!"

4 How can we sing the songs of the LORD
while in a foreign land?

5 If I forget you, O Jerusalem,
may my right hand forget its skill .

6 May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth
if I do not remember you,
if I do not consider Jerusalem
my highest joy.

7 Remember, O LORD, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell.
"Tear it down," they cried,
"tear it down to its foundations!"

8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you
for what you have done to us-

9 he who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.

-- cary

Don't believe everything you read literally, please.
--
~Stumper
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User: "Jeff North"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	27 Mar 2007 08:52:52 PM

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:27:34 -0400, in alt.politics.homosexuality
stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
<vLCdnZseGZO745TbnZ2dnUVZ_v3inZ2d@ptd.net> wrote:

| Cary Kittrell wrote:
| > "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
| >> "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
| >> news:uvkg031k7e3s0pfjhl9md5g03550qvhv07@4ax.com...
| >>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:17:33 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
| >>> "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
| >>> <xTVNh.21229$Ht2.8753@trnddc06> wrote:
| >>>> | "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
| >>>> | news:gavf031oa87od75ug74ksspkuhglbh22pm@4ax.com...
| >>>> | > On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:58:47 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
| >>> [snip]
| >>>> | >>| >>| >>| >>>>Show where Lott committed incest....
| >>>> | >>| >>| >>| >>>Such a "Christian" you are! Don't even know the Bible?
| >>>> | >>| >>| >>| >> Of course I know it...
| >>>> | >>| >>| >>| > And yet you asked the question...
| >>>> | >>| >>| >>| Because I KNEW Lott DIDN'T commit incest....
| >>>> | >>| >>| > American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third
| >>>> | >>Edition
| >>>> | >>| >>| > incest
| >>>> | >>| >>| > Sexual relations between relatives who are forbidden by law to
| >>>> | >>marry;
| >>>> | >>| >>| > for example, between father and daughter or mother and son.
| >>>> | >>| >>| >>| I always prefer to have a liar out themselves by they
| >>>> themselves
| >>>> | >>| >>posting
| >>>> | >>| >>| >>| that which traps them....
| >>>> | >>| >>| He was unconscious. Physically immobile. He was raped. He
| >>>> | >>therefore
| >>>> | >>| >>| didn't commit incest. However, it was committed to him.
| >>>> | >>| > Yet God condoned the daughters actions and Lotss' inactions.
| >>>> | >>| And you can prove that how?
| >>>> | > Considering the he just destroyed 2 cities but couldn't stop 2
| >>>> | > pregnancies to continue until birth....
| >>>> | Destroying 2 cities proves God didn't condon it.
| >>>> | But why would God punish unborn fully innocent children?
| >
| >
| >>> Oh that's right. God preferred the children to be alive so that could
| >>> be dashed against the rocks.
| >
| >> Cite?
| >
| >
| > God's Beloved, King David, certainly seemed to find the prospect
| > a pleasant one:
| >
| >
| > Psalm 137
| >
| > 1 By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept
| > when we remembered Zion.
| >
| > 2 There on the poplars
| > we hung our harps,
| >
| > 3 for there our captors asked us for songs,
| > our tormentors demanded songs of joy;
| > they said, "Sing us one of the songs of Zion!"
| >
| > 4 How can we sing the songs of the LORD
| > while in a foreign land?
| >
| > 5 If I forget you, O Jerusalem,
| > may my right hand forget its skill .
| >
| > 6 May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth
| > if I do not remember you,
| > if I do not consider Jerusalem
| > my highest joy.
| >
| > 7 Remember, O LORD, what the Edomites did
| > on the day Jerusalem fell.
| > "Tear it down," they cried,
| > "tear it down to its foundations!"
| >
| > 8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
| > happy is he who repays you
| > for what you have done to us-
| >
| > 9 he who seizes your infants
| > and dashes them against the rocks.
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > -- cary
| >
| >
|
| Don't believe everything you read literally, please.

Why not? Isn't the buybull the inerrant word of god?
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User: "stumper"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual CivilUnions	27 Mar 2007 10:38:12 PM

Jeff North wrote:

stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote:

Don't believe everything you read literally, please.

Why not? Isn't the buybull the inerrant word of god?

What did I say just now?
--
~Stumper
.

User: "Jeff North"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	28 Mar 2007 03:29:05 AM

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:38:12 -0400, in alt.politics.homosexuality
stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
<mcqdnXZo9LSJfpTbnZ2dnUVZ_ujinZ2d@ptd.net> wrote:

You can't be a True Christian (tm) then. Only True Christians (tm)
believe that the buybull is the inerrant word of god.
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User: "Dionisio"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual CivilUnions	28 Mar 2007 06:41:48 PM

stumper wrote:

What did I say just now?

You said, "What did I say just now?"
(This helpful Public Service Announcement has been brought to you by the Department of
Redundancy Department.)
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
"If there is a military emergency and we have a draft, would you exempt anyone who says he
is gay? The percentage of those claiming to be gay would suddenly escalate! ... Since the
10 Commandments mention adultery and not homosexuality, and adultery is condemned at least
40 times more than homosexuality in the Bible, should we keep anyone out of the service
who has committed adultery? My recollection of my Army days is that [this] would thin our
ranks appreciably."
-- U.S. Sen. Paul Simon, D-Ill. [Spring '95]
(Brought to you by SigChanger. http://www.phranc.nl)
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User: "Cary Kittrell"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	27 Mar 2007 03:41:06 PM

stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> writes:

Cary Kittrell wrote:

"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>

"Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:uvkg031k7e3s0pfjhl9md5g03550qvhv07@4ax.com...

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:17:33 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
<xTVNh.21229$Ht2.8753@trnddc06> wrote:

| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
| news:gavf031oa87od75ug74ksspkuhglbh22pm@4ax.com...
| > On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:58:47 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality

[snip]

Oh that's right. God preferred the children to be alive so that could
be dashed against the rocks.

Cite?

God's Beloved, King David, certainly seemed to find the prospect
a pleasant one:

Psalm 137

1 By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept
when we remembered Zion.

2 There on the poplars
we hung our harps,

3 for there our captors asked us for songs,
our tormentors demanded songs of joy;
they said, "Sing us one of the songs of Zion!"

4 How can we sing the songs of the LORD
while in a foreign land?

5 If I forget you, O Jerusalem,
may my right hand forget its skill .

6 May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth
if I do not remember you,
if I do not consider Jerusalem
my highest joy.

7 Remember, O LORD, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell.
"Tear it down," they cried,
"tear it down to its foundations!"

8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you
for what you have done to us-

9 he who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.

-- cary

Don't believe everything you read literally, please.

Well, you know, I'm having a bit of trouble thinking of something
more benign that "happy is he... he who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks" might be a metaphor for.
-- cary
.

User: "stumper"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual CivilUnions	27 Mar 2007 04:38:09 PM

Cary Kittrell wrote:

stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> writes:

Cary Kittrell wrote:

"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>

"Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:uvkg031k7e3s0pfjhl9md5g03550qvhv07@4ax.com...

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:17:33 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
<xTVNh.21229$Ht2.8753@trnddc06> wrote:

| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
| news:gavf031oa87od75ug74ksspkuhglbh22pm@4ax.com...
| > On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:58:47 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality

[snip]

Oh that's right. God preferred the children to be alive so that could
be dashed against the rocks.

Cite?

God's Beloved, King David, certainly seemed to find the prospect
a pleasant one:

Psalm 137

1 By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept
when we remembered Zion.

2 There on the poplars
we hung our harps,

3 for there our captors asked us for songs,
our tormentors demanded songs of joy;
they said, "Sing us one of the songs of Zion!"

4 How can we sing the songs of the LORD
while in a foreign land?

5 If I forget you, O Jerusalem,
may my right hand forget its skill .

6 May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth
if I do not remember you,
if I do not consider Jerusalem
my highest joy.

7 Remember, O LORD, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell.
"Tear it down," they cried,
"tear it down to its foundations!"

8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you
for what you have done to us-

9 he who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.

-- cary

Don't believe everything you read literally, please.

Well, you know, I'm having a bit of trouble thinking of something
more benign that "happy is he... he who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks" might be a metaphor for.

-- cary

That's why some say the theistic God is dead.
--
~Stumper
.

User: "Jeff North"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	27 Mar 2007 08:51:24 PM

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:35:19 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
<XleOh.13379$un.6928@trnddc03> wrote:

| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message

[snip]

| >>| >>| > Yet God condoned the daughters actions and Lotss' inactions.
| >>| >>| And you can prove that how?
| >>| > Considering the he just destroyed 2 cities but couldn't stop 2
| >>| > pregnancies to continue until birth....
| >>| Destroying 2 cities proves God didn't condon it.
| >>| But why would God punish unborn fully innocent children?
| > Oh that's right. God preferred the children to be alive so that could
| > be dashed against the rocks.
|
| Cite?

You're the christian who supposedly knows their own book of fables.
You look it up.

| > God also ensured that there were no
| > pregnant women when he flooded the earth, right?
|
| How would I know? I wasn't there.

Faith, my child, faith.
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User: "Patriot Games"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	29 Mar 2007 04:53:18 PM

"Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:kiij03d33t1951fua6tvrkos8oiluucn6r@4ax.com...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:35:19 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
<XleOh.13379$un.6928@trnddc03> wrote:

| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message

[snip]

You're the christian who supposedly knows their own book of fables.
You look it up.

I don't have to.

| > God also ensured that there were no
| > pregnant women when he flooded the earth, right?
| How would I know? I wasn't there.

Faith, my child, faith.

Just more *****.... Like a fag atheist's opinion of the Bible matters?
Hahahahhahahaha!!!
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User: "Jeff North"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	30 Mar 2007 02:46:56 AM

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:53:18 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
<izWOh.10158$yo3.8847@trnddc04> wrote:

| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
| news:kiij03d33t1951fua6tvrkos8oiluucn6r@4ax.com...
| > On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:35:19 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
| > "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
| > <XleOh.13379$un.6928@trnddc03> wrote:
| >>| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
| > [snip]
| >>| >>| >>| > Yet God condoned the daughters actions and Lotss' inactions.
| >>| >>| >>| And you can prove that how?
| >>| >>| > Considering the he just destroyed 2 cities but couldn't stop 2
| >>| >>| > pregnancies to continue until birth....
| >>| >>| Destroying 2 cities proves God didn't condon it.
| >>| >>| But why would God punish unborn fully innocent children?
| >>| > Oh that's right. God preferred the children to be alive so that could
| >>| > be dashed against the rocks.
| >>| Cite?
| > You're the christian who supposedly knows their own book of fables.
| > You look it up.
|
| I don't have to.

Then why ask for a cite?

Since you weren't there how would you know that there was nowhere in
the world pregnant women. I wonder how many children were drowned by
"your loving god".
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User: "Patriot Games"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	30 Mar 2007 08:23:44 AM

"Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:q4gp03p8s0ai1uqf38hrjgmf4q95djkd1v@4ax.com...

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:53:18 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
<izWOh.10158$yo3.8847@trnddc04> wrote:

| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
| news:kiij03d33t1951fua6tvrkos8oiluucn6r@4ax.com...
| > On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:35:19 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
| > "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
| > <XleOh.13379$un.6928@trnddc03> wrote:
| >>| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
| > [snip]
| >>| >>| >>| > Yet God condoned the daughters actions and Lotss'
inactions.
| >>| >>| >>| And you can prove that how?
| >>| >>| > Considering the he just destroyed 2 cities but couldn't stop 2
| >>| >>| > pregnancies to continue until birth....
| >>| >>| Destroying 2 cities proves God didn't condon it.
| >>| >>| But why would God punish unborn fully innocent children?
| >>| > Oh that's right. God preferred the children to be alive so that
could
| >>| > be dashed against the rocks.
| >>| Cite?
| > You're the christian who supposedly knows their own book of fables.
| > You look it up.
| I don't have to.

Then why ask for a cite?

You claimed: "God preferred the children to be alive so that could be dashed
against the rocks."
If you want me to respond to your claim you must FIRST reference it.
If its just your personal opinion no response from me is necessary.

Since you weren't there how would you know that there was nowhere in
the world pregnant women.

I don't know. I said: "How would I know?"

I wonder how many children were drowned by
"your loving god".

Death is a beginning, not an end. If you focus on God taking a life you're
not focusing on God giving an eternal life in Heaven, or Hell as the case
may be.
Perhaps the prospect of YOUR eternal life being an eternal Hell is why you
focus on this infinitesimally short material life?
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User: "Jeff North"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	30 Mar 2007 10:45:16 AM

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:23:44 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
<Ab8Ph.8$_43.6@trnddc02> wrote:

| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
| news:q4gp03p8s0ai1uqf38hrjgmf4q95djkd1v@4ax.com...
| > On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:53:18 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
| > "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
| > <izWOh.10158$yo3.8847@trnddc04> wrote:
| >>| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
| >>| news:kiij03d33t1951fua6tvrkos8oiluucn6r@4ax.com...
| >>| > On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:35:19 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
| >>| > "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
| >>| > <XleOh.13379$un.6928@trnddc03> wrote:
| >>| >>| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
| >>| > [snip]
| >>| >>| >>| >>| > Yet God condoned the daughters actions and Lotss'
| >>inactions.
| >>| >>| >>| >>| And you can prove that how?
| >>| >>| >>| > Considering the he just destroyed 2 cities but couldn't stop 2
| >>| >>| >>| > pregnancies to continue until birth....
| >>| >>| >>| Destroying 2 cities proves God didn't condon it.
| >>| >>| >>| But why would God punish unborn fully innocent children?
| >>| >>| > Oh that's right. God preferred the children to be alive so that
| >>could
| >>| >>| > be dashed against the rocks.
| >>| >>| Cite?
| >>| > You're the christian who supposedly knows their own book of fables.
| >>| > You look it up.
| >>| I don't have to.
| > Then why ask for a cite?
|
| You claimed: "God preferred the children to be alive so that could be dashed
| against the rocks."
|
| If you want me to respond to your claim you must FIRST reference it.
|
| If its just your personal opinion no response from me is necessary.
|
| >>| >>| > God also ensured that there were no
| >>| >>| > pregnant women when he flooded the earth, right?
| >>| >>| How would I know? I wasn't there.
| >>| > Faith, my child, faith.
| >>| Just more *****.... Like a fag atheist's opinion of the Bible
| >>matters?
| >>| Hahahahhahahaha!!!
| > Since you weren't there how would you know that there was nowhere in
| > the world pregnant women.
|
| I don't know. I said: "How would I know?"
|
| > I wonder how many children were drowned by
| > "your loving god".
|
| Death is a beginning, not an end. If you focus on God taking a life you're
| not focusing on God giving an eternal life in Heaven, or Hell as the case
| may be.
|
| Perhaps the prospect of YOUR eternal life being an eternal Hell is why you
| focus on this infinitesimally short material life?

gawd greated 'the great flood' because he was ***** at his own
creations so he thought he'd teach them a lesson and start all over
again. But your all knowing, all powerful gawd started over with
flawed stock i.e. Noah et al. If your gawd had any intelligence he
should've wiped out the whole planet and started from scratch. Or
maybe he was just too lazy to do so.
---------------------------------------------------------------
jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply
---------------------------------------------------------------
.

User: "Patriot Games"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	30 Mar 2007 01:11:40 PM

"Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:23:44 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
<Ab8Ph.8$_43.6@trnddc02> wrote:

| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
| news:q4gp03p8s0ai1uqf38hrjgmf4q95djkd1v@4ax.com...
| > On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:53:18 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
| > "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
| > <izWOh.10158$yo3.8847@trnddc04> wrote:
| >>| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
| >>| news:kiij03d33t1951fua6tvrkos8oiluucn6r@4ax.com...
| >>| > On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:35:19 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
| >>| > "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
| >>| > <XleOh.13379$un.6928@trnddc03> wrote:
| >>| >>| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
| >>| > [snip]
| >>| >>| >>| >>| > Yet God condoned the daughters actions and Lotss'
| >>inactions.
| >>| >>| >>| >>| And you can prove that how?
| >>| >>| >>| > Considering the he just destroyed 2 cities but couldn't
stop 2
| >>| >>| >>| > pregnancies to continue until birth....
| >>| >>| >>| Destroying 2 cities proves God didn't condon it.
| >>| >>| >>| But why would God punish unborn fully innocent children?
| >>| >>| > Oh that's right. God preferred the children to be alive so
that
| >>could
| >>| >>| > be dashed against the rocks.
| >>| >>| Cite?
| >>| > You're the christian who supposedly knows their own book of
fables.
| >>| > You look it up.
| >>| I don't have to.
| > Then why ask for a cite?
| You claimed: "God preferred the children to be alive so that could be
dashed
| against the rocks."
| If you want me to respond to your claim you must FIRST reference it.
| If its just your personal opinion no response from me is necessary.
| >>| >>| > God also ensured that there were no
| >>| >>| > pregnant women when he flooded the earth, right?
| >>| >>| How would I know? I wasn't there.
| >>| > Faith, my child, faith.
| >>| Just more *****.... Like a fag atheist's opinion of the Bible
| >>matters?
| >>| Hahahahhahahaha!!!
| > Since you weren't there how would you know that there was nowhere in
| > the world pregnant women.
| I don't know. I said: "How would I know?"
| > I wonder how many children were drowned by
| > "your loving god".
| Death is a beginning, not an end. If you focus on God taking a life
you're
| not focusing on God giving an eternal life in Heaven, or Hell as the
case
| may be.
| Perhaps the prospect of YOUR eternal life being an eternal Hell is why
you
| focus on this infinitesimally short material life?

Or He could've just waited for the next Big Bang and reset everything.
Since He didn't wait for the next Big Bang and reset everything I suspect He
thought this iteration of the Universe with its quirky humans was worth
another chance...
.

User: "stumper"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual CivilUnions	27 Mar 2007 02:45:54 PM

Patriot Games wrote:

"Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:17:33 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com>
<xTVNh.21229$Ht2.8753@trnddc06> wrote:

| "Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
| news:gavf031oa87od75ug74ksspkuhglbh22pm@4ax.com...
| > On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:58:47 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality

[snip]

Oh that's right. God preferred the children to be alive so that could
be dashed against the rocks.

Cite?

God also ensured that there were no
pregnant women when he flooded the earth, right?

How would I know? I wasn't there.

There is no reason for God as understood by him
to be restricted to logicality at all.
--
~Stumper
.

User: "Dionisio"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual CivilUnions	24 Mar 2007 05:18:01 PM

Patriot Games wrote:

Because I KNEW Lott DIDN'T commit incest....

I always prefer to have a liar out themselves by they themselves posting
that which traps them....

Now this should be fascinating. Do tell how one has sex with one's daughters without
committing incest.
(Don't forget to out yourself, liar.)
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
"It's not denial. I'm just very selective about what I accept as reality."
-- Calvin
(Brought to you by SigChanger. http://www.phranc.nl)
.

User: "Patriot Games"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	25 Mar 2007 01:12:07 PM

"Dionisio" <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
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Patriot Games wrote:

Because I KNEW Lott DIDN'T commit incest....
I always prefer to have a liar out themselves by they themselves posting
that which traps them....

Now this should be fascinating. Do tell how one has sex with one's
daughters without > committing incest.
(Don't forget to out yourself, liar.)

He was raped, he was unconscious.
.

User: "Andrealphus"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	25 Mar 2007 07:50:13 PM

In News XXyNh.3226$xE.1072@trnddc08,, Patriot Games at
Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com, typed this:

"Dionisio" <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
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Patriot Games wrote:

Because I KNEW Lott DIDN'T commit incest....
I always prefer to have a liar out themselves by they themselves
posting that which traps them....

Now this should be fascinating. Do tell how one has sex with one's
daughters without > committing incest.
(Don't forget to out yourself, liar.)

He was raped, he was unconscious.

He was unconscious, yet conscious enough to maintain an erection, but not
conscious enough to recognize is own daughter.
I think the entire story was written by the villiage idiot.
.

User: "Patriot Games"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	26 Mar 2007 09:58:02 AM

"Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
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In News XXyNh.3226$xE.1072@trnddc08,, Patriot Games at
Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com, typed this:

"Dionisio" <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
news:4605a399$0$27027$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

Patriot Games wrote:

Because I KNEW Lott DIDN'T commit incest....
I always prefer to have a liar out themselves by they themselves
posting that which traps them....

Now this should be fascinating. Do tell how one has sex with one's
daughters without > committing incest.
(Don't forget to out yourself, liar.)

He was raped, he was unconscious.

He was unconscious, yet conscious enough to maintain an erection, but not
conscious enough to recognize is own daughter.
I think the entire story was written by the villiage idiot.

Thanks for sharing...
.

User: "Andrealphus"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	26 Mar 2007 04:44:01 PM

In News _bRNh.12955$un.1996@trnddc03,, Patriot Games at
Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com, typed this:

"Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
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In News XXyNh.3226$xE.1072@trnddc08,, Patriot Games at
Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com, typed this:

"Dionisio" <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
news:4605a399$0$27027$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

Patriot Games wrote:

Because I KNEW Lott DIDN'T commit incest....
I always prefer to have a liar out themselves by they themselves
posting that which traps them....

Now this should be fascinating. Do tell how one has sex with one's
daughters without > committing incest.
(Don't forget to out yourself, liar.)

He was raped, he was unconscious.

He was unconscious, yet conscious enough to maintain an erection,
but not conscious enough to recognize is own daughter.
I think the entire story was written by the villiage idiot.

Thanks for sharing...

Can you at least attempt to address the logical flaws in the story?
.

User: "Patriot Games"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	27 Mar 2007 02:33:56 PM

"Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
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In News _bRNh.12955$un.1996@trnddc03,, Patriot Games at
Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com, typed this:

"Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
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In News XXyNh.3226$xE.1072@trnddc08,, Patriot Games at
Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com, typed this:

"Dionisio" <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
news:4605a399$0$27027$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

Patriot Games wrote:

Because I KNEW Lott DIDN'T commit incest....
I always prefer to have a liar out themselves by they themselves
posting that which traps them....

Now this should be fascinating. Do tell how one has sex with one's
daughters without > committing incest.
(Don't forget to out yourself, liar.)

He was raped, he was unconscious.

He was unconscious, yet conscious enough to maintain an erection,
but not conscious enough to recognize is own daughter.
I think the entire story was written by the villiage idiot.

Thanks for sharing...

Can you at least attempt to address the logical flaws in the story?

There are no "logical" flaws in the story.
The story says he was unconscious. So he was unconscious. Nothing
illogical there.
He apparently had a boner. That's not physically impossible. Nothing
illogical there.
There are no "logical" flaws in the story.
By the way, the "but not conscious enough to recognize is own daughter" is
something YOU made up, its NOT in the actual story.... Unconscious is
unconscious.
.

User: "Andrealphus"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	27 Mar 2007 08:17:03 PM

In News EkeOh.13377$un.2122@trnddc03,, Patriot Games at
Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com, typed this:

"Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
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In News _bRNh.12955$un.1996@trnddc03,, Patriot Games at
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"Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
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In News XXyNh.3226$xE.1072@trnddc08,, Patriot Games at
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"Dionisio" <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
news:4605a399$0$27027$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

Patriot Games wrote:

Because I KNEW Lott DIDN'T commit incest....
I always prefer to have a liar out themselves by they themselves
posting that which traps them....

Now this should be fascinating. Do tell how one has sex with
one's daughters without > committing incest.
(Don't forget to out yourself, liar.)

He was raped, he was unconscious.

He was unconscious, yet conscious enough to maintain an erection,
but not conscious enough to recognize is own daughter.
I think the entire story was written by the villiage idiot.

Thanks for sharing...

Can you at least attempt to address the logical flaws in the story?

There are no "logical" flaws in the story.

The story is full of logical flaws, you're just unwilling to think about
them past your bible blindness.

The story says he was unconscious. So he was unconscious. Nothing
illogical there.

No, not there.

He apparently had a boner. That's not physically impossible. Nothing
illogical there.

Have you ever drank yourself unconscious and maintained a "boner" for more
than a minute? Much less ejaculated. Give it a try.
.

User: "Patriot Games"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	29 Mar 2007 04:50:56 PM

"Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
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In News EkeOh.13377$un.2122@trnddc03,, Patriot Games at
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"Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
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In News _bRNh.12955$un.1996@trnddc03,, Patriot Games at
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"Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
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In News XXyNh.3226$xE.1072@trnddc08,, Patriot Games at
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"Dionisio" <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
news:4605a399$0$27027$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

Patriot Games wrote:

Because I KNEW Lott DIDN'T commit incest....
I always prefer to have a liar out themselves by they themselves
posting that which traps them....

Now this should be fascinating. Do tell how one has sex with
one's daughters without > committing incest.
(Don't forget to out yourself, liar.)

He was raped, he was unconscious.

He was unconscious, yet conscious enough to maintain an erection,
but not conscious enough to recognize is own daughter.
I think the entire story was written by the villiage idiot.

Thanks for sharing...

Can you at least attempt to address the logical flaws in the story?

There are no "logical" flaws in the story.

The story is full of logical flaws, you're just unwilling to think about
them past your bible blindness.

*****.

The story says he was unconscious. So he was unconscious. Nothing
illogical there.

No, not there.

He apparently had a boner. That's not physically impossible. Nothing
illogical there.

Have you ever drank yourself unconscious and maintained a "boner" for more
than a minute? Much less ejaculated. Give it a try.

I've never drank myself unconscious so I don't personally know.
However, your SPECULATION is worthless.
PROVE that it is IMPOSSIBLE to get an erection while unconscious. If you
can't then IT IS POSSIBLE.
.

User: "Andrealphus"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	29 Mar 2007 06:15:06 PM

In News 4xWOh.10157$yo3.4445@trnddc04,, Patriot Games at
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"Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
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"Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
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"Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
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"Dionisio" <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
news:4605a399$0$27027$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

Patriot Games wrote:

Because I KNEW Lott DIDN'T commit incest....
I always prefer to have a liar out themselves by they
themselves posting that which traps them....

Now this should be fascinating. Do tell how one has sex with
one's daughters without > committing incest.
(Don't forget to out yourself, liar.)

He was raped, he was unconscious.

He was unconscious, yet conscious enough to maintain an erection,
but not conscious enough to recognize is own daughter.
I think the entire story was written by the villiage idiot.

Thanks for sharing...

Can you at least attempt to address the logical flaws in the story?

There are no "logical" flaws in the story.

The story is full of logical flaws, you're just unwilling to think
about them past your bible blindness.

*****.

No, quite true.

The story says he was unconscious. So he was unconscious. Nothing
illogical there.

No, not there.

He apparently had a boner. That's not physically impossible. Nothing
illogical there.

Have you ever drank yourself unconscious and maintained a "boner"
for more than a minute? Much less ejaculated. Give it a try.

I've never drank myself unconscious so I don't personally know.

Then consult a physician. See what he says. Also, look up the term
depressant as it relates to your nervous system... Hell, buy a book once in
a while.

However, your SPECULATION is worthless.

It's not speculation, it's medical fact.
.

User: "Patriot Games"
Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions	30 Mar 2007 08:16:00 AM

"Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
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