Religions > Atheism > Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions
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Vatican Prelate: Catholics will "do everything possible" to prevent
Homosexual Civil Unions
LifeSiteNews ^ | 3/12/07 | Gudrun Schultz
Posted on 03/12/2007 5:22:07 PM PDT by wagglebee
VATICAN CITY, March 12, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Legislation
permitting de facto and same-sex unions would be so damaging to family
life and society that Catholics will do "everything possible" to
ensure the laws do not pass, the head of the Pontifical Academy for
Life said last week.
"Catholics will do everything to shed light on the debate, and will do
everything possible so that these proposals will not pass," said
Bishop Elio Sgreccia, during a press conference at Vatican Radio.
"Everything based on untruths is destined to damage someone, if not
many people."
Zenit News Agency reported March 7 on Bishop Sgreccia comments at the
Rome launch of a book on the issue by Carlo Casini, a European
Parliamentary member representing Italy. Casini's book was titled
"Unioni di fatto, matrimonio, figli: tra ideologia e realt=E0" (De Facto
Unions, Marriage, Children: Between Ideology and Facts), published in
Italian by Societ=E0 Editrice Fiorentina.
Bishop Sgreccia said the Church's objections to de facto unions simply
upheld laws established by international and national legislation,
recognizing the family as the foundation of human society. The bishop
referred to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights where it states
that "the family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society
and is entitled to protection by society and the state."
"If family stability is weakened, the fundamental group unit of
society is also weakened," Bishop Sgreccia said.
Homosexual unions would go "against a law of nature," he said, since
"in the corporality of man and woman there is written natural and
structural complementarity pertaining to emotional life, sexual life
and the procreation of children."
"Natural law expresses the good sense" of that union between a man and
a woman, Bishop Sgreccia said.
Further, the family is essential for economic health and social
progress.
"If we wish to see an economy that has as its main unit family health,
then we must take into account that the de facto families,
constitutionally precarious, are the source, as well as divorce and
separations, of social and economic instability."
Far from encouraging the establishment of de facto unions, "the state
would do well in helping youth by teaching them the formation of a
true family, with a civic or religious marriage, but stable, and with
an eased access to house and work."
"This is where the money should be spent," said the bishop, "and not
creating marital precariousness."
Permitting legal unions apart from marriage injures young people by
"placing them in a situation that does not give security, that does
not give stability or serenity."
At the same time, legalizing homosexual unions does not address the
real needs of people dealing with same-sex attraction, the bishop
said.
"[G]ay pride certainly does not help them in overcoming their
suffering, which instead must be faced with human understanding, with
medical and psychological sciences, and with promotional attitudes of
all the good qualities that exist in these persons."
See related LifeSiteNews coverage:
Vatican Bishop: Humanity Heading for "Self-Genocide"
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jan/07012607.html
Bishop Sgreccia Named President of Pontifical Academy For Life
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jan/05010308.html
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18 Mar 2007 11:25:09 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
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Permitting legal unions apart from marriage injures young people by
"placing them in a situation that does not give security, that does
not give stability or serenity."
Here in Australia de facto relationships are protected by law.
There is no reason why this cannot be done in other countries, if it has not
already been done. There is no reason that Gay Marriage could not work the
same, or be recognized as full marriage.
Now just what is the problems with that, except it upsets your church?
How does Gay or de facto relationships, if legalized weaken the current
marriage set up?
Here is a part of details about this in NSW
http://www.lawsociety.com.au/page.asp?partid=6651
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18 Mar 2007 11:35:27 PM |
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On Mar 18, 8:25 pm, "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRo...@truthonly.com>
wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in messagenews:1174263570.489478.168630@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1799776/posts
Permitting legal unions apart from marriage injures young people by
"placing them in a situation that does not give security, that does
not give stability or serenity."
Here in Australia de facto relationships are protected by law.
There is no reason why this cannot be done in other countries, if it has not
already been done.
For the simple reason that the people do not want it.
There is no reason that Gay Marriage could not work the
same, or be recognized as full marriage.
Of course there is... Normal marriage produces children and a family.
Gay unions do not.
Now just what is the problems with that, except it upsets your church?
The problem is that you are attempting to equate non-productive life-
styles with normal marriages.
They are basically different.
How does Gay or de facto relationships, if legalized weaken the current
marriage set up?
Such a comparison attempts to equate two entirely different societal
units.
They do not equate.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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19 Mar 2007 01:13:13 AM |
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<lorad474@cs.com> wrote:
"RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRo...@truthonly.com>
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in
Permitting legal unions apart from marriage injures young people by
"placing them in a situation that does not give security, that does
not give stability or serenity."
Here in Australia de facto relationships are protected by law.
There is no reason why this cannot be done in other countries, if it has not
already been done.
For the simple reason that the people do not want it.
According to you.
There is no reason that Gay Marriage could not work the
same, or be recognized as full marriage.
Of course there is... Normal marriage produces children and a family.
No it doesn't.
Gay unions do not.
They often do.
Now just what is the problems with that, except it upsets your church?
The problem is that you are attempting to equate non-productive life-
styles with normal marriages.
The problem is that you are trying to justify your bigotry with
propaganda and falsehoods.
How does Gay or de facto relationships, if legalized weaken the current
marriage set up?
Such a comparison attempts to equate two entirely different societal
units.
That isn't an answer to the question.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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19 Mar 2007 06:34:41 AM |
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On Mar 18, 10:13 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
<lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
"RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRo...@truthonly.com>
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in
Permitting legal unions apart from marriage injures young people by
"placing them in a situation that does not give security, that does
not give stability or serenity."
Here in Australia de facto relationships are protected by law.
There is no reason why this cannot be done in other countries, if it has not
already been done.
For the simple reason that the people do not want it.
According to you.
No... not "according to me".. But according to the many countries that
do not permit it.
Pay attention.
There is no reason that Gay Marriage could not work the
same, or be recognized as full marriage.
Of course there is... Normal marriage produces children and a family.
No it doesn't.
Gay unions do not.
They often do.
Now just what is the problems with that, except it upsets your church?
The problem is that you are attempting to equate non-productive life-
styles with normal marriages.
The problem is that you are trying to justify your bigotry with
propaganda and falsehoods.
How does Gay or de facto relationships, if legalized weaken the current
marriage set up?
Such a comparison attempts to equate two entirely different societal
units.
That isn't an answer to the question.
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Ray Fischer
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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19 Mar 2007 09:41:05 PM |
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<lorad474@cs.com> wrote:
rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
<lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
"RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRo...@truthonly.com>
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in
Permitting legal unions apart from marriage injures young people by
"placing them in a situation that does not give security, that does
not give stability or serenity."
Here in Australia de facto relationships are protected by law.
There is no reason why this cannot be done in other countries, if it has not
already been done.
For the simple reason that the people do not want it.
According to you.
No... not "according to me".. But according to the many countries that
do not permit it.
Many countries permit polygamy and do not permit Christianity.
So what? That has little to do with the here.
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How does Gay or de facto relationships, if legalized weaken the current
marriage set up?
Such a comparison attempts to equate two entirely different societal
units.
That isn't an answer to the question.
And still no answer.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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20 Mar 2007 12:56:54 AM |
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On Mar 19, 6:41 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
<lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
"RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRo...@truthonly.com>
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in
Permitting legal unions apart from marriage injures young people by
"placing them in a situation that does not give security, that does
not give stability or serenity."
Here in Australia de facto relationships are protected by law.
There is no reason why this cannot be done in other countries, if it has not
already been done.
For the simple reason that the people do not want it.
According to you.
No... not "according to me".. But according to the many countries that
do not permit it.
Many countries permit polygamy and do not permit Christianity.
And many do not permit polygamy and do permit Christianity..
Your point was?
So what? That has little to do with the here.
That's what I asked.. 'So what?'
How does Gay or de facto relationships, if legalized weaken the current
marriage set up?
Such a comparison attempts to equate two entirely different societal
units.
That isn't an answer to the question.
And still no answer.
Of course there is. I answered at least three times previously. Here's
another:
Anyone attempting to equate 'gay marriage' to traditional marriage
must fail in the attempt for the simple reason that barren
relationships cannot and should not be equated to child producing
marriages.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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20 Mar 2007 10:49:38 AM |
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<lorad474@cs.com> wrote:
On Mar 19, 6:41 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
<lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
"RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRo...@truthonly.com>
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in
Permitting legal unions apart from marriage injures young people by
"placing them in a situation that does not give security, that does
not give stability or serenity."
Here in Australia de facto relationships are protected by law.
There is no reason why this cannot be done in other countries, if it has not
already been done.
For the simple reason that the people do not want it.
According to you.
No... not "according to me".. But according to the many countries that
do not permit it.
Many countries permit polygamy and do not permit Christianity.
And many do not permit polygamy and do permit Christianity..
Your point was?
You brought up "many countries". I'm pointing out that your claim is
the usual stupidity.
How does Gay or de facto relationships, if legalized weaken the current
marriage set up?
Such a comparison attempts to equate two entirely different societal
units.
That isn't an answer to the question.
And still no answer.
Of course there is. I answered at least three times previously. Here's
another:
Anyone attempting to equate 'gay marriage' to traditional marriage
Again you refuse to answer the question: HOW does Gay marriage weaken
the current marriage set up?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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20 Mar 2007 03:31:38 PM |
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On Mar 20, 7:49 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
No... not "according to me".. But according to the many countries that
do not permit it.
Many countries permit polygamy and do not permit Christianity.
And many do not permit polygamy and do permit Christianity..
Your point was?
You brought up "many countries". I'm pointing out that your claim is
the usual stupidity.
And I am pointing out that you are both stupid and a liar in denying
that many countries do not permit deviant marriages. Italy - the
initial subject of this thread - does not permit deviant marriages.
Pay attention.
How does Gay or de facto relationships, if legalized weaken the current
marriage set up?
Such a comparison attempts to equate two entirely different societal
units.
That isn't an answer to the question.
And still no answer.
Of course there is. I answered at least three times previously. Here's
another:
Anyone attempting to equate 'gay marriage' to traditional marriage
Again you refuse to answer the question: HOW does Gay marriage weaken
the current marriage set up?
Hey lissen, fancy-pants...
If your dumbass deletes rationality and then seeks self-justification
in personal escapist fantasy - there is no answer for you - just an
evolutionary dead-end.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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20 Mar 2007 09:48:10 PM |
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<lorad474@cs.com> wrote:
On Mar 20, 7:49 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
No... not "according to me".. But according to the many countries that
do not permit it.
Many countries permit polygamy and do not permit Christianity.
And many do not permit polygamy and do permit Christianity..
Your point was?
You brought up "many countries". I'm pointing out that your claim is
the usual stupidity.
And I am pointing out that you are both stupid and a liar in denying
So far I've caught you in several lies. Now you're playing the usual
game of blaming others for your own lack of morals.
And still no answer.
Of course there is. I answered at least three times previously. Here's
another:
Anyone attempting to equate 'gay marriage' to traditional marriage
Again you refuse to answer the question: HOW does Gay marriage weaken
the current marriage set up?
Hey lissen, fancy-pants...
If your dumbass deletes rationality and then seeks self-justification
The ***** bigot runs away from the question.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Jeff North" |
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20 Mar 2007 04:30:48 PM |
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On 20 Mar 2007 13:31:38 -0700, in alt.politics.homosexuality
lorad474@cs.com
<1174422698.067474.63210@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> wrote:
| On Mar 20, 7:49 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
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| > Again you refuse to answer the question: HOW does Gay marriage weaken
| > the current marriage set up?
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| Hey lissen, fancy-pants...
| If your dumbass deletes rationality and then seeks self-justification
| in personal escapist fantasy - there is no answer for you - just an
| evolutionary dead-end.
Such a simple question why not give an answer?
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jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply
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| User: "thomas p." |
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20 Mar 2007 05:58:24 PM |
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On 20 Mar., 21:31, wrote:
On Mar 20, 7:49 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
No... not "according to me".. But according to the many countries that
do not permit it.
Many countries permit polygamy and do not permit Christianity.
And many do not permit polygamy and do permit Christianity..
Your point was?
You brought up "many countries". I'm pointing out that your claim is
the usual stupidity.
And I am pointing out that you are both stupid and a liar in denying
that many countries do not permit deviant marriages. Italy - the
initial subject of this thread - does not permit deviant marriages.
Pay attention.
How does Gay or de facto relationships, if legalized weaken the current
marriage set up?
Such a comparison attempts to equate two entirely different societal
units.
That isn't an answer to the question.
And still no answer.
Of course there is. I answered at least three times previously. Here's
another:
Anyone attempting to equate 'gay marriage' to traditional marriage
Again you refuse to answer the question: HOW does Gay marriage weaken
the current marriage set up?
Hey lissen, fancy-pants...
If your dumbass deletes rationality and then seeks self-justification
in personal escapist fantasy - there is no answer for you - just an
evolutionary dead-end.-
In other words you are unable to show how same-sex marriage would
weaken other marriages.
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| User: "Darrell Stec" |
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20 Mar 2007 06:28:10 PM |
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After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 20 March 2007 6:58 pm
thomas p. perhaps from wrote:
On 20 Mar., 21:31, wrote:
On Mar 20, 7:49 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
No... not "according to me".. But according to the many
countries that do not permit it.
Many countries permit polygamy and do not permit Christianity.
And many do not permit polygamy and do permit Christianity..
Your point was?
You brought up "many countries". I'm pointing out that your claim
is the usual stupidity.
And I am pointing out that you are both stupid and a liar in denying
that many countries do not permit deviant marriages. Italy - the
initial subject of this thread - does not permit deviant marriages.
Pay attention.
How does Gay or de facto relationships, if legalized
weaken the current
marriage set up?
Such a comparison attempts to equate two entirely different
societal units.
That isn't an answer to the question.
And still no answer.
Of course there is. I answered at least three times previously.
Here's another:
Anyone attempting to equate 'gay marriage' to traditional marriage
Again you refuse to answer the question: HOW does Gay marriage
weaken the current marriage set up?
Hey lissen, fancy-pants...
If your dumbass deletes rationality and then seeks self-justification
in personal escapist fantasy - there is no answer for you - just an
evolutionary dead-end.-
In other words you are unable to show how same-sex marriage would
weaken other marriages.
It certainly didn't seem to when the Christian/Catholic Church performed
the Sacrament of Matrimony for Two Women and the Sacrament of Matrimony
for Two Men for almost 1000 years. Their somewhat recent reversal is
quite puzzling. And now they pretend it never happened which is a most
unfortunate problem for them since they never bothered to burn all the
Missals for the rites.
--
Later,
Darrell Stec
Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
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20 Mar 2007 12:59:20 PM |
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<lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1174370214.423920.139240@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 19, 6:41 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
[snip]
Anyone attempting to equate 'gay marriage' to traditional marriage
must fail in the attempt for the simple reason that barren
relationships cannot and should not be equated to child producing
marriages.
You're apparently unable to understand that the ability to procreate isn't a
requirement for obtaining a marriage license, no matter how much we dumb it
down for you.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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20 Mar 2007 04:10:12 AM |
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On 20 Mar., 06:56, wrote:
On Mar 19, 6:41 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
< > wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
< > wrote:
"RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRo...@truthonly.com>
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in
Permitting legal unions apart from marriage injures young people by
"placing them in a situation that does not give security, that does
not give stability or serenity."
Here in Australia de facto relationships are protected by law.
There is no reason why this cannot be done in other countries, if it has not
already been done.
For the simple reason that the people do not want it.
According to you.
No... not "according to me".. But according to the many countries that
do not permit it.
Many countries permit polygamy and do not permit Christianity.
And many do not permit polygamy and do permit Christianity..
Your point was?
So what? That has little to do with the here.
That's what I asked.. 'So what?'
How does Gay or de facto relationships, if legalized weaken the current
marriage set up?
Such a comparison attempts to equate two entirely different societal
units.
That isn't an answer to the question.
And still no answer.
Of course there is. I answered at least three times previously. Here's
another:
Anyone attempting to equate 'gay marriage' to traditional marriage
must fail in the attempt for the simple reason that barren
relationships cannot and should not be equated to child producing
marriages
In that case all barren heterosexual marriages will have to be
terminated.
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20 Mar 2007 02:10:31 AM |
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On Mar 19, 10:56 pm, wrote:
Of course there is. I answered at least three times previously. Here's
another:
Anyone attempting to equate 'gay marriage' to traditional marriage
must fail in the attempt for the simple reason that barren
relationships cannot and should not be equated to child producing
marriages.-
And therefore heterosexual couples that cannot produce children - due
to age, illness, a hysterectomy, whatever - should not be allowed to
get married either. This follows obviously and directly from your
statement about "barren relationships."
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions |
19 Mar 2007 11:31:30 AM |
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<lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1174278927.733609.207620@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 18, 8:25 pm, "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRo...@truthonly.com>
wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in
messagenews:1174263570.489478.168630@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1799776/posts
Permitting legal unions apart from marriage injures young people by
"placing them in a situation that does not give security, that does
not give stability or serenity."
Here in Australia de facto relationships are protected by law.
There is no reason why this cannot be done in other countries, if it has
not
already been done.
For the simple reason that the people do not want it.
I suspected you were a dimwitted wanker when I responded to your last post,
and you've confirmed it.
In the 1960s, 'people' didn't want inter-racial marriages either. And in the
early 1900s, they didn't want inter-faith marriages.
There is no reason that Gay Marriage could not work the
same, or be recognized as full marriage.
Of course there is... Normal marriage produces children and a family.
Gay unions do not.
Once again, I checked to see whether the ability to procreate had become one
of the requirements for obtaining a marriage license. It hasn't. That's
good, too, because if it were, we'd have to nullify the marriages of all
those 'normal' couples who haven't reproduced.
Now just what is the problems with that, except it upsets your church?
The problem is that you are attempting to equate non-productive life-
styles with normal marriages.
They are basically different.
How does Gay or de facto relationships, if legalized weaken the current
marriage set up?
Such a comparison attempts to equate two entirely different societal
units.
They do not equate.
That wasn't the question, sparky.
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions |
19 Mar 2007 11:44:37 AM |
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In news:CVyLh.7487$JZ3.622@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net,
Dennis Kemmerer <dk@suespammers.org> typed:
<lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1174278927.733609.207620@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 18, 8:25 pm, "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRo...@truthonly.com>
wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in
messagenews:1174263570.489478.168630@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1799776/posts
Permitting legal unions apart from marriage injures young people by
"placing them in a situation that does not give security, that does
not give stability or serenity."
Here in Australia de facto relationships are protected by law.
There is no reason why this cannot be done in other countries, if
it has not
already been done.
For the simple reason that the people do not want it.
I suspected you were a dimwitted wanker when I responded to your last
post, and you've confirmed it.
In the 1960s, 'people' didn't want inter-racial marriages either.
It had to be pro-choice bigots such as you that didn't want them.
Why aren't people married now, pro-choice idiot bigot?
And in the early 1900s, they didn't want inter-faith marriages.
Why are you complaining about that?
Are you against people having the way they like it?
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| User: "thomas p." |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions |
19 Mar 2007 02:32:25 PM |
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On 19 Mar., 17:44, "John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
Innews:CVyLh.7487$JZ3.622@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net,
Dennis Kemmerer <d...@suespammers.org> typed:
<lorad...@cs.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 18, 8:25 pm, "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRo...@truthonly.com>
wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in
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Permitting legal unions apart from marriage injures young people by
"placing them in a situation that does not give security, that does
not give stability or serenity."
Here in Australia de facto relationships are protected by law.
There is no reason why this cannot be done in other countries, if
it has not
already been done.
For the simple reason that the people do not want it.
I suspected you were a dimwitted wanker when I responded to your last
post, and you've confirmed it.
In the 1960s, 'people' didn't want inter-racial marriages either.
It had to be pro-choice bigots such as you that didn't want them.
Why aren't people married now, pro-choice idiot bigot?
And in the early 1900s, they didn't want inter-faith marriages.
Why are you complaining about that?
Are you against people having the way they like it?-
No, you are. You are against same-sex marriage, right?
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions |
19 Mar 2007 03:24:27 PM |
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In news:1174332745.812707.30260@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
thomas p. <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> typed:
On 19 Mar., 17:44, "John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
Innews:CVyLh.7487$JZ3.622@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net,
Dennis Kemmerer <d...@suespammers.org> typed:
<lorad...@cs.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 18, 8:25 pm, "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRo...@truthonly.com>
wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in
messagenews:1174263570.489478.168630@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1799776/posts
Permitting legal unions apart from marriage injures young people
by "placing them in a situation that does not give security,
that does not give stability or serenity."
Here in Australia de facto relationships are protected by law.
There is no reason why this cannot be done in other countries, if
it has not
already been done.
For the simple reason that the people do not want it.
I suspected you were a dimwitted wanker when I responded to your
last post, and you've confirmed it.
In the 1960s, 'people' didn't want inter-racial marriages either.
It had to be pro-choice bigots such as you that didn't want them.
Why aren't people married now, pro-choice idiot bigot?
And in the early 1900s, they didn't want inter-faith marriages.
Why are you complaining about that?
Are you against people having the way they like it?-
No, you are.
I'm not complaining about it.
You are against same-sex marriage, right?
Yes.
Is it a sin to be against same-sex marriages?
LOL!
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| User: "thomas p." |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions |
20 Mar 2007 02:55:31 AM |
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On 19 Mar., 21:24, "John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
Innews:1174332745.812707.30260@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
thomas p. <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> typed:
On 19 Mar., 17:44, "John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
Innews:CVyLh.7487$JZ3.622@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net,
Dennis Kemmerer <d...@suespammers.org> typed:
<lorad...@cs.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 18, 8:25 pm, "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRo...@truthonly.com>
wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in
messagenews:1174263570.489478.168630@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1799776/posts
Permitting legal unions apart from marriage injures young people
by "placing them in a situation that does not give security,
that does not give stability or serenity."
Here in Australia de facto relationships are protected by law.
There is no reason why this cannot be done in other countries, if
it has not
already been done.
For the simple reason that the people do not want it.
I suspected you were a dimwitted wanker when I responded to your
last post, and you've confirmed it.
In the 1960s, 'people' didn't want inter-racial marriages either.
It had to be pro-choice bigots such as you that didn't want them.
Why aren't people married now, pro-choice idiot bigot?
And in the early 1900s, they didn't want inter-faith marriages.
Why are you complaining about that?
Are you against people having the way they like it?-
No, you are.
I'm not complaining about it.
You're not? Are you not against people having the right to same-sex
marriage?
You are against same-sex marriage, right?
Yes.
Is it a sin to be against same-sex marriages?
LOL
No. If you don't want to have a same-sex marriage, you have every
right not to.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual CivilUnions |
19 Mar 2007 06:35:27 AM |
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The problem is that you are attempting to equate non-productive life-
styles with normal marriages.
They are basically different.
Tell us more about the priesthood.
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And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
"The only people that I want laws to protect us from, are the people who want laws to
protect us from people."
-- Lars Allen <lra0322@mcdata.com> Sept. of '94
(Brought to you by SigChanger. http://www.phranc.nl)
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions |
19 Mar 2007 06:40:07 PM |
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On 18 Mar 2007 21:35:27 -0700, wrote:
On Mar 18, 8:25 pm, "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRo...@truthonly.com>
wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in messagenews:1174263570.489478.168630@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1799776/posts
Permitting legal unions apart from marriage injures young people by
"placing them in a situation that does not give security, that does
not give stability or serenity."
Here in Australia de facto relationships are protected by law.
There is no reason why this cannot be done in other countries, if it has not
already been done.
For the simple reason that the people do not want it.
Only a few big mouthed, small brained, self righteous bigots object,
most people could care less.
There is no reason that Gay Marriage could not work the
same, or be recognized as full marriage.
Of course there is... Normal marriage produces children and a family.
Gay unions do not.
Many standard man woman marriages are childless. And a hell of a lot
of them aren't families. Many end in spousal murder, or simple spousal
abuse. Gay union at worst, would be better, since they don't produce
children from a broken home.
Now just what is the problems with that, except it upsets your church?
The problem is that you are attempting to equate non-productive life-
styles with normal marriages.
They are basically different.
How does Gay or de facto relationships, if legalized weaken the current
marriage set up?
Such a comparison attempts to equate two entirely different societal
units.
They do not equate.
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| User: "Jeff North" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions |
19 Mar 2007 01:53:45 AM |
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On 18 Mar 2007 21:35:27 -0700, in alt.politics.homosexuality
lorad474@cs.com
<1174278927.733609.207620@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com> wrote:
| On Mar 18, 8:25 pm, "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRo...@truthonly.com>
| wrote:
| > "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in messagenews:1174263570.489478.168630@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1799776/posts
| >
| > >Permitting legal unions apart from marriage injures young people by
| > >"placing them in a situation that does not give security, that does
| > >not give stability or serenity."
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| > Here in Australia de facto relationships are protected by law.
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| > There is no reason why this cannot be done in other countries, if it has not
| > already been done.
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| For the simple reason that the people do not want it.
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| > There is no reason that Gay Marriage could not work the
| > same, or be recognized as full marriage.
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| Of course there is... Normal marriage produces children and a family.
| Gay unions do not.
Marriage license != breeding license.
FYI, you don't need a marriage license to produce off-spring.
| > Now just what is the problems with that, except it upsets your church?
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| The problem is that you are attempting to equate non-productive life-
| styles with normal marriages.
So post-menipausal women should automatically have their marriages
annulled?
| They are basically different.
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| > How does Gay or de facto relationships, if legalized weaken the current
| > marriage set up?
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| Such a comparison attempts to equate two entirely different societal
| units.
| They do not equate.
Please cite the law, from any land, where procreating is mandatory or
the marriage is annulled.
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| User: "" |
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19 Mar 2007 06:44:24 AM |
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On Mar 18, 10:53 pm, Jeff North <jnort...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
On 18 Mar 2007 21:35:27 -0700, in alt.politics.homosexuality
Marriage license != breeding license.
Well then.. by your own definition you have excluded same sex
marriages.
FYI, you don't need a marriage license to produce off-spring.
No one ever said you did.
So post-menipausal women should automatically have their marriages
annulled?
What does the age of a married couple have to do with the normalcy and
western civilization's accepted tradition of marriage?
Nothing.
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions |
19 Mar 2007 11:31:31 AM |
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<lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 18, 10:53 pm, Jeff North <jnort...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
On 18 Mar 2007 21:35:27 -0700, in alt.politics.homosexuality
Marriage license != breeding license.
Well then.. by your own definition you have excluded same sex
marriages.
Woooooosh....
FYI, you don't need a marriage license to produce off-spring.
No one ever said you did.
So post-menipausal women should automatically have their marriages
annulled?
What does the age of a married couple have to do with the normalcy and
western civilization's accepted tradition of marriage?
Nothing.
Double woooosh....
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| User: "Jeff North" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions |
19 Mar 2007 02:19:18 PM |
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On 19 Mar 2007 04:44:24 -0700, in alt.politics.homosexuality
lorad474@cs.com
<1174304664.625377.303500@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
| On Mar 18, 10:53 pm, Jeff North <jnort...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
| > On 18 Mar 2007 21:35:27 -0700, in alt.politics.homosexuality
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| > Marriage license != breeding license.
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| Well then.. by your own definition you have excluded same sex
| marriages.
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| > FYI, you don't need a marriage license to produce off-spring.
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| No one ever said you did.
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| > So post-menipausal women should automatically have their marriages
| > annulled?
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| What does the age of a married couple have to do with the normalcy and
| western civilization's accepted tradition of marriage?
| Nothing.
Isn't it amazing that you snipped out all of your previous comments so
people couldn't see my responses in context. A mark of someone loosing
the debate.
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| User: "Anlatt the Builder" |
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19 Mar 2007 04:54:14 PM |
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On Mar 18, 9:35 pm, wrote:
Of course there is... Normal marriage produces children and a family.
Gay unions do not.
There are many heterosexual marriages that do not produce chilren. Are
these marriages not normal? Should they be illegal?
Now just what is the problems with that, except it upsets your church?
The problem is that you are attempting to equate non-productive life-
styles with normal marriages.
They are basically different.
You know, anybody who actually spends time with gay couples know how
silly this is. Gay couples and straight couples are NOT "basically
different." They argue about money. They fall asleep in front of the
TV. They plan for the future. Sometimes they have children - through
whatever means (and that applies to both straight and gays) - and they
raise them the best they can.
Even very conservative and/or "religious" people (I use the quotes,
because there's all sorts of wyas to be religious), when they actually
spend time with gay couples, cannot help but see how utterly similar
they are to straight couples. If you can't see this, it's because
you're not using the eyes God gave you.
The differences are only important if you think that the most
important thing about marriage is the precise way in which the married
couple has sex. (Oh, gosh! Straight couples have kids through sex,
adoption, or surrogacy, while gays have kids through adoption or
surrogacy. The shock! The horror!) Or, more to the point, your
stereotypes about how they have sex - because you'd be surprised about
what some straight couples do behind closed doors.
This focus on the mechanics of sex completely ignored what a real
relationship is all about, and is quite unhealthy. But typical of anti-
gay bigots, most of whom seem to be unable to stop thinking about gay
sex.
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| User: "John" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics Will Do Everything Possible To Prevent Homosexual Civil Unions |
19 Mar 2007 11:41:22 AM |
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On Mar 19, 12:35 am, wrote:
On Mar 18, 8:25 pm, "RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRo...@truthonly.com>
wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in messagenews:1174263570.489478.168630@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1799776/posts
Permitting legal unions apart from marriage injures young people by
"placing them in a situation that does not give security, that does
not give stability or serenity."
Here in Australia de facto relationships are protected by law.
There is no reason why this cannot be done in other countries, if it has not
already been done.
For the simple reason that the people do not want it.
Barely a majority, soon to be a minority.
There is no reason that Gay Marriage could not work the
same, or be recognized as full marriage.
Of course there is... Normal marriage produces children and a family.
Gay unions do not.
So an infertile man and woman shouldn't get married? Or those that do
not want children?
Now just what is the problems with that, except it upsets your church?
The problem is that you are attempting to equate non-productive life-
styles with normal marriages.
They are basically different.
How is a gay marriage a non-productive lifestyle? You have yet to
define normal marriage (of which 50% end in divorce).
How does Gay or de facto relationships, if legalized weaken the current
marriage set up?
Such a comparison attempts to equate two entirely different societal
units.
They do not equate.
Simply saying that does not answer the question. How does gay
marriage weaken traditional marriage?
John
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| User: "MooJoo" |
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19 Mar 2007 10:09:07 PM |
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Dear Lord,
Protect me from thy followers.
-- Amen.
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| User: "Andrew F. Heil" |
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19 Mar 2007 04:34:46 PM |
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Everything possible = futilely whine and *****.
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| User: "Attila" |
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19 Mar 2007 06:03:19 AM |
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On 18 Mar 2007 17:19:30 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1174263570.489478.168630@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Vatican Prelate: Catholics will "do everything possible" to prevent
Homosexual Civil Unions
Someone should point out they no longer run society. They can pick up
their dresses and go home.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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