O

Take a look at this phenomena and let us know how this can be anything
other than supernatural:


http://www.protestanterrors.com/incorruptibles.htm

I call it crap. Find a reference in a peer reviewed journal so I will
have some reason to believe this ever happened.

Documentation is available, especially in Europe if you want to go look
it up.

It would be greatly appreciated if *you*, who apparently already knows
what this documentation contains, where it is, who wrote it and how one
can access it, would provide this information to *us*, who did not ask
*you* to come here in order to challenge *us* to disprove *his* claims.

If nothing else, one would consider it a courtesy, considering that you
initiated this discussion. In a scientific environment one would consider
the withholding of information *while* claiming it is available
unethical.

Hint: When providing us with this information, as you are surely going to
do, publicly accessible[1], peer-reviewed journals[2] would rank on top
of
the list of credible sources of documentation. Documents under lock and
seal in the Vatican and claimed to contain evidence are missing
credibility because one can not access them, just to give an example of
what you don't need to provide.

j.m.
#1491

[1] Many people here have access to digital libraries of most scientific
journals, even if it is on a site requiring user fees. Also, for many
people it is a short walk to a classical library to look up a certain
book. Don't worry, you give a citation, someone will be able to look it
up.

[2] You posted this to alt.atheism. Please don't expect us to be experts
on forensic science, medicine, history etc. People here are known not to
believe in god/s, not to be experts on any arbitrary scientific field[3].
Hence it would be helpful to know that a piece of information has been
reviewed by true *experts* of the field. Don't you agree?

[3] This statement does not imply that, by pure coincidence, you might
find an expert here.

You are the first one to speak in a normal tone to me without insults. I
appreciate that.
You can start by googling for "incorrupt bodies".

O

Take a look at this phenomena and let us know how this can be anything
other than supernatural:


http://www.protestanterrors.com/incorruptibles.htm

I call it crap. Find a reference in a peer reviewed journal so I will
have some reason to believe this ever happened.

Documentation is available, especially in Europe if you want to go look
it up.

It would be greatly appreciated if *you*, who apparently already knows
what this documentation contains, where it is, who wrote it and how one
can access it, would provide this information to *us*, who did not ask
*you* to come here in order to challenge *us* to disprove *his* claims.

If nothing else, one would consider it a courtesy, considering that you
initiated this discussion. In a scientific environment one would consider
the withholding of information *while* claiming it is available
unethical.

Hint: When providing us with this information, as you are surely going to
do, publicly accessible[1], peer-reviewed journals[2] would rank on top
of
the list of credible sources of documentation. Documents under lock and
seal in the Vatican and claimed to contain evidence are missing
credibility because one can not access them, just to give an example of
what you don't need to provide.

j.m.
#1491

[1] Many people here have access to digital libraries of most scientific
journals, even if it is on a site requiring user fees. Also, for many
people it is a short walk to a classical library to look up a certain
book. Don't worry, you give a citation, someone will be able to look it
up.

[2] You posted this to alt.atheism. Please don't expect us to be experts
on forensic science, medicine, history etc. People here are known not to
believe in god/s, not to be experts on any arbitrary scientific field[3].
Hence it would be helpful to know that a piece of information has been
reviewed by true *experts* of the field. Don't you agree?

[3] This statement does not imply that, by pure coincidence, you might
find an expert here.

You are the first one to speak in a normal tone to me without insults. I
appreciate that.
You can start by googling for "incorrupt bodies". This will start you on
your way to more information you could ever want. Then add "books" to the
same search and you will still be overwhelmed with information on books on
the subject. A good book to start with; Joan Carroll Cruz's "The
Incorruptibles" which reviews each incorrupt body found, the year, and
it's present display location in Europe. Great start. Documentation can
then be gotten at the Cathedrals themselves, and in libraries there. Just
what I've given you here will give you more than you could ever want on
the subject. I haven't even seen all the documentation and books, there is
just too much. Seeing them first hand is the best thing to do.
Hope that helps....

BH