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"maff" |
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17 Oct 2005 04:48:49 AM |
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Challenge to Bush in new stem cell breakthrough |
Challenge to Bush in new stem cell breakthrough
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1593849,00.html
Ian Sample, science correspondent in Montreal
Monday October 17, 2005
The Guardian
Scientists have perfected a way of making embryonic stem cells without
destroying the embryos from which they derive, a breakthrough that will
challenge George Bush's opposition to the research.
The discovery of a technique to extract stem cells without impairing
the embryos could remove a major hurdle facing scientists who are
trying to develop treatments for diseases such as diabetes and motor
neurone disease. Religious and rightwing groups claim embryonic stem
cell research is unethical because the cells are produced by creating
embryos which are later destroyed.
Stem cells
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/bd98dcae31a61a18
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| User: "miedvied" |
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| Title: Re: Challenge to Bush in new stem cell breakthrough |
18 Oct 2005 06:51:28 PM |
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maff wrote:
Challenge to Bush in new stem cell breakthrough
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1593849,00.html
Ian Sample, science correspondent in Montreal
Monday October 17, 2005
The Guardian
Scientists have perfected a way of making embryonic stem cells without
destroying the embryos from which they derive, a breakthrough that will
challenge George Bush's opposition to the research.
"Perfected"? I understand that they can turn adult cells into stem cells
through fusion, and have successfully turned the resultant tetraploid
cells into diploid cells again, but this is the first time I've seen any
article refer to this process as "perfected" - I'm fairly confident the
scientists in question are still emphatically saying that they don't
know if the resultant stem cells are "normal" stem cells yet.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Challenge to Bush in new stem cell breakthrough |
19 Oct 2005 06:24:11 AM |
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miedvied wrote:
maff wrote:
Challenge to Bush in new stem cell breakthrough
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1593849,00.html
Ian Sample, science correspondent in Montreal
Monday October 17, 2005
The Guardian
Scientists have perfected a way of making embryonic stem cells without
destroying the embryos from which they derive, a breakthrough that will
challenge George Bush's opposition to the research.
"Perfected"? I understand that they can turn adult cells into stem cells
through fusion, and have successfully turned the resultant tetraploid
cells into diploid cells again, but this is the first time I've seen any
article refer to this process as "perfected" - I'm fairly confident the
scientists in question are still emphatically saying that they don't
know if the resultant stem cells are "normal" stem cells yet.
This isn't that process. This one, they take an embryo of 8 cells - 3
divisions after fertilisation - and they pick one cell off. They
culture the one cell, and meanwhile they use the 7 cell embryo in in
vitro fertilisation. So no abortion and they get embryo cells to use.
This is with mice at present, you understand.
But what if they pick off the one cell that contains the soul?? :-)
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| User: "Darrell Stec" |
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| Title: Re: Challenge to Bush in new stem cell breakthrough |
19 Oct 2005 01:17:16 PM |
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After serious contemplation, on or about Wednesday 19 October 2005 7:24 am
rja.carnegie@excite.com wrote:
miedvied wrote:
maff wrote:
Challenge to Bush in new stem cell breakthrough
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1593849,00.html
Ian Sample, science correspondent in Montreal
Monday October 17, 2005
The Guardian
Scientists have perfected a way of making embryonic stem cells without
destroying the embryos from which they derive, a breakthrough that will
challenge George Bush's opposition to the research.
"Perfected"? I understand that they can turn adult cells into stem cells
through fusion, and have successfully turned the resultant tetraploid
cells into diploid cells again, but this is the first time I've seen any
article refer to this process as "perfected" - I'm fairly confident the
scientists in question are still emphatically saying that they don't
know if the resultant stem cells are "normal" stem cells yet.
This isn't that process. This one, they take an embryo of 8 cells - 3
divisions after fertilisation - and they pick one cell off. They
culture the one cell, and meanwhile they use the 7 cell embryo in in
vitro fertilisation. So no abortion and they get embryo cells to use.
This is with mice at present, you understand.
But what if they pick off the one cell that contains the soul?? :-)
That shouldn't be a problem. There is a scientific way to determine that.
Remember the "scientist" that claimed to have measured the weight of the
soul by weighing bodies just prior to and right after death?
In solution the heavier cell (containing the soul) would revolve and point
to the bottom of the petri dish. IIRC, baby souls and adult souls weighed
the same in his study.
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Later,
Darrell Stec
Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Challenge to Bush in new stem cell breakthrough |
17 Oct 2005 06:40:11 PM |
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maff wrote:
Challenge to Bush in new stem cell breakthrough
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1593849,00.html
Ian Sample, science correspondent in Montreal
Monday October 17, 2005
The Guardian
Scientists have perfected a way of making embryonic stem cells without
destroying the embryos from which they derive, a breakthrough that will
challenge George Bush's opposition to the research.
I've read the story and that's ludicrous, principally in the word
"perfected" applied to the prcesss described. But in any case, he'll
still be against it. He'll be against anything that gets around his
being against something else.
I thought it was going to be the one where they find the foetus's cells
in the mother's bloodstream. Logically, they could collect those
cells. I figure he's going to be against that too.
By the way, what does this have to do with any newsgroup touched?
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| User: "Jesus H Christ" |
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| Title: Re: Challenge to Bush in new stem cell breakthrough |
18 Oct 2005 01:25:45 AM |
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"rja.carnegie@excite.com" <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote in
news:1129592411.232619.239260@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
maff wrote:
Challenge to Bush in new stem cell breakthrough
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1593849,00.html
Ian Sample, science correspondent in Montreal
Monday October 17, 2005
The Guardian
By the way, what does this have to do with any newsgroup touched?
Yeah, tenuous connections at best; religious/origins based objections to
stem cell research.
But the baby Jesus is forgiving. Besides, he needs a beer.
Jesus!
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