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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj"
Date: 12 May 2005 02:58:13 PM
Object: CHAPLAIN WANTS CHRIST OUT OF AIR FORCE ACADEMY
Chaplain Wants Christ Out of Air Force Academy
By Carl Limbacher
NewsMax
Thursday, May 12, 2005
Here's a story that will throw you for a loop: a
"chaplain" at the U.S. Air Force Academy is complaining
that the school's administration has a "systemic and
pervasive" problem of promoting religious religious
values with a Christian bent.
The chaplain, Capt. Melinda Morton, a "Lutheran minister"
spoke out publicly on Tuesday as an Air Force task force
arrived at the academy to investigate charges that
officers and staff members pushed their religious beliefs
on cadets.
And she claimed that a tolerance program developed at the
academy, called Respecting the Spiritual Values of all
People (R.S.V.P.), was watered down after it was shown to
officers.
Maj. Gen. Charles C. Baldwin, chief of chaplains for the
Air Force, screened the 90-minute R.S.V.P. film in
October, according to Capt. Morton, and asked her: "Why
is it that the Christians never win?" in reaction to some
of the program's depictions of cadet interactions.
"Chaplain" Morton's complaints about too much religion at
the military academy is creating waves, and earned her
hero status in a report in the New York Times Thursday.
Gen. Baldwin acknowledged in an interview that he felt
too many scenes in the film portrayed Christians at fault
for excessive evangelical proselytizing.
He also said he asked that the Air Force cut segments on
non-Christian religions such as Buddhism, Judaism and
Native American spirituality.
The problem in dealing with proselytizing and church-
state issues at the academy, he explained, "always is,
when is a person crossing the line, or when are they
being a positive person of faith, like our president."
Last year, the Colorado Springs academy invited Yale
Divinity School professor Kristen Leslie and six Yale
graduate students to visit the school and observe how the
chaplains minister to the cadets.
A memo from the Yale team cited the "stridently
evangelical themes" at a worship service attended by 600
new cadets.
Leslie said a chaplain urged cadets to pray for those who
didn't attend and "remind them of the consequences ...
those not ‘born again will burn in the fires of hell.'"
But academy spokesman Johnny Whitaker disputed that
account, saying several other chaplains told him that no
one mentioned burning "in the fires of hell."
Morton, a 48-year-old "Lutheran minister," said she was
removed from her post as executive officer to the chief
chaplain, Col. Michael Whittington, last week. She
claimed the dismissal came after he pressured her to deny
details of what happened at the religious service.
But Whitaker said Whittington sent Morton an e-mail on
May 4 saying he was removing her "to ensure a smooth and
complete transition" for new leaders.
Morgan said she had stepped forward because "it's the
Constitution, not just a nice rule we can follow or not
follow. That includes not using your power to advance
your religious agenda."
She acknowledged that after speaking out, "I don't think
I have much future in the Air Force."
http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/5/12/150704.shtml
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Title: Re: CHAPLAIN WANTS CHRIST OUT OF AIR FORCE ACADEMY 13 May 2005 12:44:04 PM
I always thought there was "freedom" of religion in the US. IOW,
that no one gets special treatment, and that all religions, at
least by government and military agencies, are treated equally.
I guess that goes only for fundie Christians. Let's face it, the
fundies think they know everything about religion and
spirituality. THEY DON"T. They have no idea what real spiritual
understanding amounts to. All they want to do is sell God and
make brownie points with each other. Sing songs and shout at one
another to people who aren't even listening in the congregation
anymore because they know it's all a false way of treating God
and deal with each other.
Get with it, you idiots. If God really want's to give man a
chance he wouldn't send idiots like you door to door, dorm room
to dorm room, to do it.
From a Roman Catholic who will be in Heaven Half an Hour before
the Devil and any fundie Christians know they're dead. Drinks
are on Jesus.
--
==============================
Paul J. Chiasson
http://chefpaul.stsams.org/
chefpaul@chefpaul.stsams.org
paul.chiasson@ns.sympatico.ca
==============================
"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
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Chaplain Wants Christ Out of Air Force Academy

By Carl Limbacher
NewsMax
Thursday, May 12, 2005

Here's a story that will throw you for a loop: a
"chaplain" at the U.S. Air Force Academy is complaining
that the school's administration has a "systemic and
pervasive" problem of promoting religious religious
values with a Christian bent.

The chaplain, Capt. Melinda Morton, a "Lutheran minister"
spoke out publicly on Tuesday as an Air Force task force
arrived at the academy to investigate charges that
officers and staff members pushed their religious beliefs
on cadets.

And she claimed that a tolerance program developed at the
academy, called Respecting the Spiritual Values of all
People (R.S.V.P.), was watered down after it was shown to
officers.

Maj. Gen. Charles C. Baldwin, chief of chaplains for the
Air Force, screened the 90-minute R.S.V.P. film in
October, according to Capt. Morton, and asked her: "Why
is it that the Christians never win?" in reaction to some
of the program's depictions of cadet interactions.

"Chaplain" Morton's complaints about too much religion at
the military academy is creating waves, and earned her
hero status in a report in the New York Times Thursday.

Gen. Baldwin acknowledged in an interview that he felt
too many scenes in the film portrayed Christians at fault
for excessive evangelical proselytizing.

He also said he asked that the Air Force cut segments on
non-Christian religions such as Buddhism, Judaism and
Native American spirituality.

The problem in dealing with proselytizing and church-
state issues at the academy, he explained, "always is,
when is a person crossing the line, or when are they
being a positive person of faith, like our president."

Last year, the Colorado Springs academy invited Yale
Divinity School professor Kristen Leslie and six Yale
graduate students to visit the school and observe how the
chaplains minister to the cadets.

A memo from the Yale team cited the "stridently
evangelical themes" at a worship service attended by 600
new cadets.

Leslie said a chaplain urged cadets to pray for those who
didn't attend and "remind them of the consequences ...
those not ‘born again will burn in the fires of hell.'"

But academy spokesman Johnny Whitaker disputed that
account, saying several other chaplains told him that no
one mentioned burning "in the fires of hell."

Morton, a 48-year-old "Lutheran minister," said she was
removed from her post as executive officer to the chief
chaplain, Col. Michael Whittington, last week. She
claimed the dismissal came after he pressured her to deny
details of what happened at the religious service.

But Whitaker said Whittington sent Morton an e-mail on
May 4 saying he was removing her "to ensure a smooth and
complete transition" for new leaders.

Morgan said she had stepped forward because "it's the
Constitution, not just a nice rule we can follow or not
follow. That includes not using your power to advance
your religious agenda."

She acknowledged that after speaking out, "I don't think
I have much future in the Air Force."

http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/5/12/150704.shtml

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Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

Hindu Holocaust Museum
http://www.mantra.com/holocaust

Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
http://www.hindu.org
http://www.hindunet.org

The truth about Islam and Muslims
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate

The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came
not so send
peace, but a sword.
"For I am come to set a man at variance against his father,
and the
daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against
her mother in
law.
"And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
- Matthew 10:34-36.

o Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the
educational
purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this
post may not
have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the
opinion of the
poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the
exemption for
fair use of copyrighted works.
o If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be
read,
considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal
name, current
e-mail and postal addresses, and live-voice telephone number.
o Posted for information and discussion. Views expressed
by others are
not necessarily those of the poster who may or may not have
read the article.

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the use of
which may or may not have been specifically authorized by the
copyright
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economic,
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is believed
that this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted
material as
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without
profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in
receiving the included
information for research, comment, discussion and educational
purposes by
subscribing to USENET newsgroups or visiting web sites. For
more information
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your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission
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User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj"

Title: Re: CHAPLAIN WANTS CHRIST OUT OF AIR FORCE ACADEMY 13 May 2005 01:29:17 PM
Forwarded message
-To: wagglebee
A poll of Protestant clergymen conducted by sociologist
Jeffrey Hadden revealed the following: 10,000 clergymen
of whom 7,441 replied when asked if they accepted Jesus'
physical resurrection as a fact: 51 percent of Methodists
said 'No'; 35 percent of United Presbyterians said 'No’;
30 percent of Episcopalians said 'No." 33 percent of
American Baptists said "No"; 13 percent of American
Lutherans said 'No'; 7 percent of Missouri Synod
Lutherans said "No."
When asked if they believed in the virgin birth of Jesus:
60 percent of Methodists said "No.' 44 percent of
Episcopalians said No." 49 percent of Presbyterians said
"No." 34 percent of Baptists said "No." 19 percent of
American Lutherans said "No." 5 percent of Missouri Synod
Lutherans said "No."
When asked if they believed that the Scriptures are the
inspired and inerrant Word of God in faith, history, and
secular matters: 87 percent of Methodists said 'No.' 95
percent of Episcopalians said 'No." 82 percent of
Presbyterians said "No." 67 percent of American Baptists
said "No." 77 percent of American Lutherans said "No." 24
percent of Missouri Synod Lutherans said "No."
POINT: even many "theologians" are unsound re basic
Christian principles.
Posted on 5/12/2005 12:50:10 PM PDT by LouAvul
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End of forwarded message
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: CHAPLAIN WANTS CHRIST OUT OF AIR FORCE ACADEMY 13 May 2005 06:31:51 PM
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:

Forwarded message

-To: wagglebee

A poll of Protestant clergymen conducted by sociologist
Jeffrey Hadden revealed the following: 10,000 clergymen
of whom 7,441 replied when asked if they accepted Jesus'
physical resurrection as a fact: 51 percent of Methodists
said 'No'; 35 percent of United Presbyterians said 'No';
30 percent of Episcopalians said 'No." 33 percent of
American Baptists said "No"; 13 percent of American
Lutherans said 'No'; 7 percent of Missouri Synod
Lutherans said "No."

When asked if they believed in the virgin birth of Jesus:
60 percent of Methodists said "No.' 44 percent of
Episcopalians said No." 49 percent of Presbyterians said
"No." 34 percent of Baptists said "No." 19 percent of
American Lutherans said "No." 5 percent of Missouri Synod
Lutherans said "No."

When asked if they believed that the Scriptures are the
inspired and inerrant Word of God in faith, history, and
secular matters: 87 percent of Methodists said 'No.' 95
percent of Episcopalians said 'No." 82 percent of
Presbyterians said "No." 67 percent of American Baptists
said "No." 77 percent of American Lutherans said "No." 24
percent of Missouri Synod Lutherans said "No."

POINT: even many "theologians" are unsound re basic
Christian principles.

No religion with more than two people in it will agree what the basic
principals of their religion are.
Yours included.
The startrek episode "Let that be your Last Battlefield" says it all.
.
User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj"

Title: Re: CHAPLAIN WANTS CHRIST OUT OF AIR FORCE ACADEMY 13 May 2005 07:21:53 PM
In article <HNahe.2825$3%4.1687@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> posted:

Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:

Forwarded message

-To: wagglebee

A poll of Protestant clergymen conducted by sociologist
Jeffrey Hadden revealed the following: 10,000 clergymen
of whom 7,441 replied when asked if they accepted Jesus'
physical resurrection as a fact: 51 percent of Methodists
said 'No'; 35 percent of United Presbyterians said 'No';
30 percent of Episcopalians said 'No." 33 percent of
American Baptists said "No"; 13 percent of American
Lutherans said 'No'; 7 percent of Missouri Synod
Lutherans said "No."

When asked if they believed in the virgin birth of Jesus:
60 percent of Methodists said "No.' 44 percent of
Episcopalians said No." 49 percent of Presbyterians said
"No." 34 percent of Baptists said "No." 19 percent of
American Lutherans said "No." 5 percent of Missouri Synod
Lutherans said "No."

When asked if they believed that the Scriptures are the
inspired and inerrant Word of God in faith, history, and
secular matters: 87 percent of Methodists said 'No.' 95
percent of Episcopalians said 'No." 82 percent of
Presbyterians said "No." 67 percent of American Baptists
said "No." 77 percent of American Lutherans said "No." 24
percent of Missouri Synod Lutherans said "No."

POINT: even many "theologians" are unsound re basic
Christian principles.


No religion with more than two people in it will agree what the basic
principals of their religion are.
Yours included.
The startrek episode "Let that be your Last Battlefield" says it all.

Organized religion (such as cults) leaves a lot to be desired. On the
other hand, spiritual systems practiced at the individual level, such
as Vedic-Hindu spirituality, are highly desirable.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
.
User: "DanielSan"

Title: Re: CHAPLAIN WANTS CHRIST OUT OF AIR FORCE ACADEMY 13 May 2005 07:24:44 PM
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:

In article <HNahe.2825$3%4.1687@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> posted:


Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:


Forwarded message

-To: wagglebee

A poll of Protestant clergymen conducted by sociologist
Jeffrey Hadden revealed the following: 10,000 clergymen
of whom 7,441 replied when asked if they accepted Jesus'
physical resurrection as a fact: 51 percent of Methodists
said 'No'; 35 percent of United Presbyterians said 'No';
30 percent of Episcopalians said 'No." 33 percent of
American Baptists said "No"; 13 percent of American
Lutherans said 'No'; 7 percent of Missouri Synod
Lutherans said "No."

When asked if they believed in the virgin birth of Jesus:
60 percent of Methodists said "No.' 44 percent of
Episcopalians said No." 49 percent of Presbyterians said
"No." 34 percent of Baptists said "No." 19 percent of
American Lutherans said "No." 5 percent of Missouri Synod
Lutherans said "No."

When asked if they believed that the Scriptures are the
inspired and inerrant Word of God in faith, history, and
secular matters: 87 percent of Methodists said 'No.' 95
percent of Episcopalians said 'No." 82 percent of
Presbyterians said "No." 67 percent of American Baptists
said "No." 77 percent of American Lutherans said "No." 24
percent of Missouri Synod Lutherans said "No."

POINT: even many "theologians" are unsound re basic
Christian principles.


No religion with more than two people in it will agree what the basic
principals of their religion are.
Yours included.
The startrek episode "Let that be your Last Battlefield" says it all.



Organized religion (such as cults) leaves a lot to be desired. On the
other hand, spiritual systems practiced at the individual level, such
as Vedic-Hindu spirituality, are highly desirable.

And are still bunk. :-)
.






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