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"societopia.net" |
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18 Jun 2005 05:06:54 PM |
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Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
In a previous thread I explained one characteristic of the atheist ethos;
the lack of values to measure the outcome of exercising one's intellect.
I invite you to examine another characteristic (that manifested itself in
former communist regimes); the price of desertion.
As a little demonstration, you have witnessed on this forum the cost of
attempted criticism of a group of atheist (which was gang violent reaction
towards any speaker in the name of God).
You also know of cultures and religions that preach the death of the
apostate.
How about atheist communities? How do they perceive defection or opposition
from trusted followers or partners? Do your recollect any events from
history where such behavior can be used to understand the atheist ethos?
God bless you,
www.societopia.net
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
18 Jun 2005 05:33:09 PM |
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"societopia.net" <societopia@societopia.net> wrote in message
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In a previous thread I explained one characteristic of the atheist ethos;
You were wrong then, and you're wrong now.
<Snipped diatribe of dishonesty and misrepresented replies>
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-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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| User: "Ike" |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
18 Jun 2005 09:22:12 PM |
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"societopia.net" <societopia@societopia.net> wrote in message
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In a previous thread I explained one characteristic of the atheist ethos;
the lack of values to measure the outcome of exercising one's intellect.
I invite you to examine another characteristic (that manifested itself in
former communist regimes); the price of desertion.
As a little demonstration, you have witnessed on this forum the cost of
attempted criticism of a group of atheist (which was gang violent reaction
towards any speaker in the name of God).
You also know of cultures and religions that preach the death of the
apostate.
I tell you what, my apostate is still alive.
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| User: "Abner Mintz" |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
18 Jun 2005 11:05:01 PM |
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Ike <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
I tell you what, my apostate is still alive.
But is he likely to survive his struggle with apostate cancer?
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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18 Jun 2005 10:45:40 PM |
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"societopia.net" <societopia@societopia.net> wrote in message
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In a previous thread I explained one characteristic of the atheist ethos;
the lack of values to measure the outcome of exercising one's intellect.
The theist has exactly the same problem.
Before you chose to be a theist, you must have been an atheist. Then you
used your supposed "lack of values" to pick the religion you were going to
be.
Do you really think someone that has a lack of values is going to pick the
right religion?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Niels van der Linden" |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
18 Jun 2005 05:31:52 PM |
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How about atheist communities? How do they perceive defection or
opposition
from trusted followers or partners? Do your recollect any events from
history where such behavior can be used to understand the atheist ethos?
It's obvious how theists react:
http://www.simonyi.ox.ac.uk/dawkins/WorldOfDawkins-archive/Dawkins/Work/Articles/1993-summervirusesofmind.shtml
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| User: "societopia.net" |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
18 Jun 2005 06:57:06 PM |
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"Niels van der Linden" <n.f.l.vanderlinden@student.utwente.nl> wrote in
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How about atheist communities? How do they perceive defection or
opposition
from trusted followers or partners? Do your recollect any events from
history where such behavior can be used to understand the atheist ethos?
It's obvious how theists react:
["Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not
leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until
he finds it? And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and
goes home"] Luke 15:4-6
[ 'My son,' the father said, 'you are always with me, and everything I have
is yours. But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours
was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.' ] Luke 15:31-32
God bless you,
www.societopia.net
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
19 Jun 2005 08:27:56 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:57:06 GMT, "societopia.net" <societopia@societopia.net>
wrote:
"Niels van der Linden" <n.f.l.vanderlinden@student.utwente.nl> wrote in
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How about atheist communities? How do they perceive defection or
opposition
from trusted followers or partners? Do your recollect any events from
history where such behavior can be used to understand the atheist ethos?
It's obvious how theists react:
["Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not
leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until
he finds it?
Which just goes to show how much Jesus knew about caring for sheep.
No shepherd puts his whole flock at risk, for the sake of one sheep.
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Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "nJb" |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
19 Jun 2005 06:39:50 AM |
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societopia.net wrote:
"Niels van der Linden" <n.f.l.vanderlinden@student.utwente.nl> wrote in
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How about atheist communities? How do they perceive defection or
opposition
from trusted followers or partners? Do your recollect any events from
history where such behavior can be used to understand the atheist ethos?
It's obvious how theists react:
["Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not
leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until
he finds it? And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and
goes home"] Luke 15:4-6
No, he claims it was killed by a wolf and takes a tax deduction.
--
Jack
Plonked by Native American
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| User: "David H." |
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18 Jun 2005 08:56:22 PM |
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"Niels van der Linden" <n.f.l.vanderlinden@student.utwente.nl> wrote in
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How about atheist communities? How do they perceive defection or
opposition
from trusted followers or partners? Do your recollect any events from
history where such behavior can be used to understand the atheist ethos?
It's obvious how theists react:
http://www.simonyi.ox.ac.uk/dawkins/WorldOfDawkins-archive/Dawkins/Work/Articles/1993-summervirusesofmind.shtml
You know you've got them when all they can do is quote from their
pacifier.
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
18 Jun 2005 09:25:08 PM |
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"David H." <davidhaapala@sbcglobal.fart.not.net> wrote in message
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"Niels van der Linden" <n.f.l.vanderlinden@student.utwente.nl> wrote in
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How about atheist communities? How do they perceive defection or
opposition
from trusted followers or partners? Do your recollect any events from
history where such behavior can be used to understand the atheist ethos?
It's obvious how theists react:
http://www.simonyi.ox.ac.uk/dawkins/WorldOfDawkins-archive/Dawkins/Work/Articles/1993-summervirusesofmind.shtml
You know you've got them when all they can do is quote from their
pacifier.
'Quote from their pacifier'...?!?!?
Oh, the irony ... the *irony*...!!
LOL!!
Katt.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
18 Jun 2005 09:32:03 PM |
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"Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net> wrote in message
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"Niels van der Linden" <n.f.l.vanderlinden@student.utwente.nl> wrote in
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How about atheist communities? How do they perceive defection or
opposition
from trusted followers or partners? Do your recollect any events from
history where such behavior can be used to understand the atheist
ethos?
It's obvious how theists react:
http://www.simonyi.ox.ac.uk/dawkins/WorldOfDawkins-archive/Dawkins/Work/Articles/1993-summervirusesofmind.shtml
You know you've got them when all they can do is quote from their
pacifier.
'Quote from their pacifier'...?!?!?
Oh, the irony ... the *irony*...!!
LOL!!
Katt.
I believe David H was referring to another post by Societopus in which he
just rattles off some Bible(tm) verses...
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
18 Jun 2005 09:46:05 PM |
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"Niels van der Linden" <n.f.l.vanderlinden@student.utwente.nl> wrote in
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How about atheist communities? How do they perceive defection or
opposition
from trusted followers or partners? Do your recollect any events
from
history where such behavior can be used to understand the atheist
ethos?
It's obvious how theists react:
http://www.simonyi.ox.ac.uk/dawkins/WorldOfDawkins-archive/Dawkins/Work/Articles/1993-summervirusesofmind.shtml
You know you've got them when all they can do is quote from their
pacifier.
'Quote from their pacifier'...?!?!?
Oh, the irony ... the *irony*...!!
LOL!!
Katt.
I believe David H was referring to another post by Societopus in which he
just rattles off some Bible(tm) verses...
Really???
Katt.
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| User: "David H." |
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18 Jun 2005 09:58:47 PM |
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"Niels van der Linden" <n.f.l.vanderlinden@student.utwente.nl> wrote
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How about atheist communities? How do they perceive defection or
opposition
from trusted followers or partners? Do your recollect any events
from
history where such behavior can be used to understand the atheist
ethos?
It's obvious how theists react:
http://www.simonyi.ox.ac.uk/dawkins/WorldOfDawkins-archive/Dawkins/Work/Articles/1993-summervirusesofmind.shtml
You know you've got them when all they can do is quote from their
pacifier.
'Quote from their pacifier'...?!?!?
Oh, the irony ... the *irony*...!!
LOL!!
Katt.
I believe David H was referring to another post by Societopus in which he
just rattles off some Bible(tm) verses...
Really???
Katt.
Yeah. I was. Societopus responded to Niels with scripture. I messed up
by replying to Niels and not sociopath.
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| User: "Katt" |
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18 Jun 2005 10:03:35 PM |
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"Niels van der Linden" <n.f.l.vanderlinden@student.utwente.nl> wrote
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How about atheist communities? How do they perceive defection or
opposition
from trusted followers or partners? Do your recollect any events
from
history where such behavior can be used to understand the atheist
ethos?
It's obvious how theists react:
http://www.simonyi.ox.ac.uk/dawkins/WorldOfDawkins-archive/Dawkins/Work/Articles/1993-summervirusesofmind.shtml
You know you've got them when all they can do is quote from their
pacifier.
'Quote from their pacifier'...?!?!?
Oh, the irony ... the *irony*...!!
LOL!!
Katt.
I believe David H was referring to another post by Societopus in which
he
just rattles off some Bible(tm) verses...
Really???
Katt.
Yeah. I was. Societopus responded to Niels with scripture. I messed up
by replying to Niels and not sociopath.
Righty-ho! Sorry for my inappropriate ridicule!
Katt.
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| User: "David H." |
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18 Jun 2005 10:34:13 PM |
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"Niels van der Linden" <n.f.l.vanderlinden@student.utwente.nl> wrote
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How about atheist communities? How do they perceive defection or
opposition
from trusted followers or partners? Do your recollect any events
from
history where such behavior can be used to understand the atheist
ethos?
It's obvious how theists react:
http://www.simonyi.ox.ac.uk/dawkins/WorldOfDawkins-archive/Dawkins/Work/Articles/1993-summervirusesofmind.shtml
You know you've got them when all they can do is quote from their
pacifier.
'Quote from their pacifier'...?!?!?
Oh, the irony ... the *irony*...!!
LOL!!
Katt.
I believe David H was referring to another post by Societopus in which
he
just rattles off some Bible(tm) verses...
Really???
Katt.
Yeah. I was. Societopus responded to Niels with scripture. I messed up
by replying to Niels and not sociopath.
Righty-ho! Sorry for my inappropriate ridicule!
Katt.
No problem at all. My error in premature postaculation.
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| User: "Bill Door" |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
18 Jun 2005 07:39:10 PM |
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In the great debate about "Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos" in
alt.atheism, "societopia.net" <societopia@societopia.net> catapaulted
the following boulder:
In a previous thread I explained one characteristic of the atheist ethos
... and you had it explained to you exhaustively that there is no such
thing.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208
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| User: "raven1" |
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18 Jun 2005 07:35:06 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 17:06:54 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
In a previous thread I explained one characteristic of the atheist ethos;
the lack of values to measure the outcome of exercising one's intellect.
Bzzt. Wrong. Thanks for playing.
First, there is no "atheist ethos"; atheism is the absence of belief
in deities, and implies no other ethical, philosophical, or political
position.
Second, atheists do generally have values and a value system, they
just aren't arbitrarily derived from the idea that "God says so".
Third, you might try exercising your own intellect by actually
listening to the replies you get, rather than making the same mistakes
over and over again.
Finally, if you wonder why people seem hostile to your posts, you may
want to take the three points above into account: we really don't
appreciate people coming into our newsgroup to tell us what we
believe, all the while getting it wrong, and refusing to listen when
we tell you why it's wrong. It comes off as a mixture of condescending
arrogance and wilful ignorance on your part, and if there's one thing
that can be said about the regulars here, it's that we don't suffer
either one gladly.
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"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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| User: "societopia.net" |
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18 Jun 2005 08:17:53 PM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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Finally, if you wonder why people seem hostile to your posts, you may
want to take the three points above into account: we really don't
appreciate people coming into our newsgroup to tell us what we
believe, all the while getting it wrong, and refusing to listen when
we tell you why it's wrong.
Ironically, as much as you seem to think that I am not listening to you
(which you believe causes me to do the same mistakes over and over again and
therefore justifies the gang hostility towards) I too can tell the same
thing, yet I am blessing you.
This sample behavior on this forum demonstrates a disposition that is very
much parallel to the ethic of any jailer who would torture those who failed
to see the truth of his/her intellect. (Again this statement is not
directed personally at you)
As I explained before the atheist ethos demonstrates the lack of the values
of love and mercy that human beings seem to associate with quite easily.
God bless you,
www.societopia.net
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
18 Jun 2005 09:09:19 PM |
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"societopia.net" <societopia@societopia.net> wrote in message
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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Finally, if you wonder why people seem hostile to your posts, you may
want to take the three points above into account: we really don't
appreciate people coming into our newsgroup to tell us what we
believe, all the while getting it wrong, and refusing to listen when
we tell you why it's wrong.
Ironically, as much as you seem to think that I am not listening to you
(which you believe causes me to do the same mistakes over and over again
and
therefore justifies the gang hostility towards) I too can tell the same
thing, yet I am blessing you.
Wrong. We've told you simply that we don't believe in gods. Not yours nor
anyone else's.
And yet, here are your replies~
In the exchange with me:
Societopia: "then how come every new generation discovers Him by mere
experience in life?"
Donald: "Wrong. You are conditioned to believe in whatever "god" your family
or those that raise you, much the same way kids believe in Santa Claus."
Societopia: "You see. I know your statement is false because you are
talking to a guy who believe *despite* what his family or culture believed."
You did not conceive the Christian God(tm) from thin air, your family told
you about Him(tm). All you've done is put your own spin on the concept to
make it fit within the framework of what you decided He(tm) should be.
"Discovery," my dimpled, Indian *****.
In the exchange with David Silverman, aka 'Bill Door:'
Societopia: "Whoever loves knows God because God is love."
David: "How come I love Mankind more than any theist I've ever met, then?"
Societopia: "Love of mankind can mean different things to different people.
If you mean that whenever you see a broken person you stand mercifully with
them until they pass through their trial then you have God in your heart
even though you do not define God as more than a fiction."
Without even an indepth debunking of the obvious circular argument in your
initial premise, nor the fact that you didn't even attempt to answer his
statement, you're now trying to imply that David somehow actually believes
in your God(tm), but just doesn't know it. ***** you and your annoying,
pompous tripe, and insults thinly veiled with a veneer of compliment.
Another exchange with Silverman:
Societopia: "Atheist valuation of God is different than believers."
David: "And with that statement, you lose the right to be taken seriously at
all."
Societopia: "Did not you try that before? :-)"
With you...? No. Not with the countless other arrogant asses that came
before you pandering the same smarmy tripe, either. Your words may be
slightly different than their's, but your breath smells exactly the same.
And now, in your exchange with Raven that I left in the top of this post:
"I too can tell the same thing, yet I am blessing you."
No, you are not. You're annoying us with your childish, christian blather;
in a forum where you are specifically asked not to do so; and acting like a
persecuted ***** when you insult us and we don't take kindly to it.
When you insult thirty people at once (i.e. your ***** of an "Atheist
Ethos") don't snivel like a titty-baby when you get thirty replies that tell
you to go ***** yourself.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork Pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
(tm) 2004 G.O.P. All names used without permission from the copyright
holder. ***** 'em.
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| User: "David H." |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
18 Jun 2005 09:04:31 PM |
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"societopia.net" <societopia@societopia.net> wrote in message
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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Finally, if you wonder why people seem hostile to your posts, you may
want to take the three points above into account: we really don't
appreciate people coming into our newsgroup to tell us what we
believe, all the while getting it wrong, and refusing to listen when
we tell you why it's wrong.
Ironically, as much as you seem to think that I am not listening to you
(which you believe causes me to do the same mistakes over and over again
and
therefore justifies the gang hostility towards) I too can tell the same
thing, yet I am blessing you.
What *you seem to keep missing is that "blessing" us is an insult, and
considered by some to be a hostile act when you do it in this newsgroup.
Why is it that you cannot seem to understand that?
This sample behavior on this forum demonstrates a disposition that is very
much parallel to the ethic of any jailer who would torture those who
failed
to see the truth of his/her intellect. (Again this statement is not
directed personally at you)
No, obviously it is based upon your actions here. This *is a public
forum, just as an elevator is a public transport. What you are doing is not
only the equivalent of farting in an elevator, but insisting that the other
occupants reactions towards you are unprovoked hostility as you noisily
continue to flatuate away to your hearts content. *Then, to add insult to
injury, you claim it is a character defect of the other passengers for being
hostile to your malodorous expulsions.
As I explained before the atheist ethos demonstrates the lack of the
values
of love and mercy that human beings seem to associate with quite easily.
Most humans wouldn't fart in an elevator. If they did, they wouldn't be
so proud of it.
God bless you,
www.societopia.net
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18 Jun 2005 09:12:45 PM |
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"David H." <davidhaapala@sbcglobal.fart.not.net> wrote in message
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"societopia.net" <societopia@societopia.net> wrote in message
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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Finally, if you wonder why people seem hostile to your posts, you may
want to take the three points above into account: we really don't
appreciate people coming into our newsgroup to tell us what we
believe, all the while getting it wrong, and refusing to listen when
we tell you why it's wrong.
Ironically, as much as you seem to think that I am not listening to you
(which you believe causes me to do the same mistakes over and over again
and
therefore justifies the gang hostility towards) I too can tell the same
thing, yet I am blessing you.
What *you seem to keep missing is that "blessing" us is an insult, and
considered by some to be a hostile act when you do it in this newsgroup.
Why is it that you cannot seem to understand that?
-----NOMINATED PORTION-----
Written by: David H, responding to Societopia--
This sample behavior on this forum demonstrates a disposition that is
very
much parallel to the ethic of any jailer who would torture those who
failed
to see the truth of his/her intellect. (Again this statement is not
directed personally at you)
No, obviously it is based upon your actions here. This *is a public
forum, just as an elevator is a public transport. What you are doing is
not
only the equivalent of farting in an elevator, but insisting that the
other
occupants reactions towards you are unprovoked hostility as you noisily
continue to flatuate away to your hearts content. *Then, to add insult to
injury, you claim it is a character defect of the other passengers for
being
hostile to your malodorous expulsions.
-----END NOMINATED PORTION-----
As I explained before the atheist ethos demonstrates the lack of the
values
of love and mercy that human beings seem to associate with quite easily.
Most humans wouldn't fart in an elevator. If they did, they wouldn't
be
so proud of it.
God bless you,
www.societopia.net
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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18 Jun 2005 09:48:28 PM |
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The other Donald wrote:
-----NOMINATED PORTION-----
Written by: David H, responding to Societopia--
This sample behavior on this forum demonstrates a disposition that is
very
much parallel to the ethic of any jailer who would torture those who
failed
to see the truth of his/her intellect. (Again this statement is not
directed personally at you)
No, obviously it is based upon your actions here. This *is a public
forum, just as an elevator is a public transport. What you are doing is
not
only the equivalent of farting in an elevator, but insisting that the
other
occupants reactions towards you are unprovoked hostility as you noisily
continue to flatuate away to your hearts content. *Then, to add insult to
injury, you claim it is a character defect of the other passengers for
being
hostile to your malodorous expulsions.
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hey, I'll second a fart nomination....
--
Jim
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum!
http://www.selectric.org
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: AQotM Nomination!! was--->>Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
22 Jun 2005 09:50:23 AM |
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In article <ME0te.6299$jX6.5800@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
J Forbes <jforbspam@fastmail.fm> wrote:
The other Donald wrote:
-----NOMINATED PORTION-----
Written by: David H, responding to Societopia--
This sample behavior on this forum demonstrates a disposition that is
very
much parallel to the ethic of any jailer who would torture those who
failed
to see the truth of his/her intellect. (Again this statement is not
directed personally at you)
No, obviously it is based upon your actions here. This *is a public
forum, just as an elevator is a public transport. What you are doing is
not
only the equivalent of farting in an elevator, but insisting that the
other
occupants reactions towards you are unprovoked hostility as you noisily
continue to flatuate away to your hearts content. *Then, to add insult to
injury, you claim it is a character defect of the other passengers for
being
hostile to your malodorous expulsions.
-----END NOMINATED PORTION-----
hey, I'll second a fart nomination....
Recorded.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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18 Jun 2005 10:27:26 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:04:31 GMT, "David H."
<davidhaapala@sbcglobal.fart.not.net> wrote:
"societopia.net" <societopia@societopia.net> wrote in message
news:Rj%se.1733732$6l.659193@pd7tw2no...
"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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Finally, if you wonder why people seem hostile to your posts, you may
want to take the three points above into account: we really don't
appreciate people coming into our newsgroup to tell us what we
believe, all the while getting it wrong, and refusing to listen when
we tell you why it's wrong.
Ironically, as much as you seem to think that I am not listening to you
(which you believe causes me to do the same mistakes over and over again
and
therefore justifies the gang hostility towards) I too can tell the same
thing, yet I am blessing you.
What *you seem to keep missing is that "blessing" us is an insult, and
considered by some to be a hostile act when you do it in this newsgroup.
Why is it that you cannot seem to understand that?
He knows it and does it to be nasty without hurting his conscience.
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
18 Jun 2005 10:34:48 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:
What *you seem to keep missing is that "blessing" us is an insult, and
considered by some to be a hostile act when you do it in this newsgroup.
Why is it that you cannot seem to understand that?
He knows it and does it to be nasty without hurting his conscience.
Bullseye! I was in fact just about to post a message on this very topic!
Seems to me that the fucktard in question is so desperately *conflicted*
about his own hatreds -- to put it aphoristically, *he hates the fact that
he can't hate without hating his hatred* -- that he needs to disguise these
hatreds, albeit superficially, as their opposite. The poster who said
something like 'I don't doubt you mean well' was, with all due respect,
looking at the disguise, not the underlying pathology.
Katt.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
18 Jun 2005 11:14:04 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:34:48 GMT, "Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net>
wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:
What *you seem to keep missing is that "blessing" us is an insult, and
considered by some to be a hostile act when you do it in this newsgroup.
Why is it that you cannot seem to understand that?
He knows it and does it to be nasty without hurting his conscience.
Bullseye! I was in fact just about to post a message on this very topic!
Seems to me that the fucktard in question is so desperately *conflicted*
about his own hatreds -- to put it aphoristically, *he hates the fact that
he can't hate without hating his hatred* -- that he needs to disguise these
hatreds, albeit superficially, as their opposite. The poster who said
something like 'I don't doubt you mean well' was, with all due respect,
looking at the disguise, not the underlying pathology.
"he hates the fact that he can't hate without hating his hatred" -
the's almost poetic.
Katt.
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
18 Jun 2005 11:40:48 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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"he hates the fact that he can't hate without hating his hatred" -
the's almost poetic.
:-)
Actually, my information is that it *hurts like hell* to be conflicted at
that level...!
Rather like being, say, an irreducibly sexual creature of nature ... who has
been made to feel an unreasoning, 'religious' *guilt and disgust* about
being a sexual creature...
Katt.
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
18 Jun 2005 09:50:34 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:17:53 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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Finally, if you wonder why people seem hostile to your posts, you may
want to take the three points above into account: we really don't
appreciate people coming into our newsgroup to tell us what we
believe, all the while getting it wrong, and refusing to listen when
we tell you why it's wrong.
Ironically, as much as you seem to think that I am not listening to you
(which you believe causes me to do the same mistakes over and over again
You clearly aren't listening, as you keep mischaracterizing atheism.
and
therefore justifies the gang hostility towards) I too can tell the same
thing,
Equivocation fallacy. We understand perfectly well what you're saying,
we just consider it poppycock. You, OTOH, keep demonstrating that you
don't even understand our position, despite having it repeatedly
explained it to you. You're looking for agreement; we're looking for a
sign that you even comprehend what we're saying, whether or not you
agree with it.
yet I am blessing you.
QED.
You still fail to grasp that this phrase is only meaningful to someone
who already believes not just in "god/s", but in your particular model
of them.
This sample behavior on this forum demonstrates a disposition that is very
much parallel to the ethic of any jailer who would torture those who failed
to see the truth of his/her intellect. (Again this statement is not
directed personally at you)
I think a more appropriate metaphor might be Amateur Night at Harlem's
famed Apollo Theater, where untalented acts are typically greeted with
catcalls, and occasional thrown items, before being dragged off with a
hook. You might want to remember Clint Eastwood's classic line "a
man's got to know his limitations", as it seem particularly
appropriate in your case. I don't doubt that you mean well, but you're
falling into the typical pitfall of the inept debater: whining about
how mean people are being to you is almost a guarantee that you have
nothing of substance to say.
As I explained before the atheist ethos demonstrates the lack of the values
of love and mercy that human beings seem to associate with quite easily.
And again, you display that you have absolutely no clue as to what
you're talking about, and haven't bothered to grasp the basic idea
that the whole idea of an "atheist ethos" is your own misconception,
with no connection to reality.
---
"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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| User: "societopia.net" |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
18 Jun 2005 10:04:21 PM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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You still fail to grasp that this phrase is only meaningful to someone
who already believes not just in "god/s", but in your particular model
of them.
You still fail to understand that I am not going to drop an item of my faith
to please you when I do not see it infringing on any of your civic rights.
As I responded to Abner if you want to maintain a "native" culture of your
atheism unpolluted start up a private mailing list and save the public the
agony of running into this troubled forum. In *public* people have the
civic duty to be critical of any activity that is contrary to the public
good.
You seem to think that being welcome is important for me and you (as well as
others) keep questioning why do not I act in a manner that brings your (and
your gang's) respect.
You seem to wish if I had been seeking your pleasure. You fail to
understand that your forum would have not been of any interest to me had it
not been public. This forum being public is the only interest why I
participate on it (not that I am interested in being welcomed by you).
God Bless You,
www.societopia.net
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Characteristics of the Atheist Ethos |
18 Jun 2005 10:42:31 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:04:21 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:6o59b1hjs71lmtd4nshkmj28m39ojmuljf@4ax.com...
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You still fail to grasp that this phrase is only meaningful to someone
who already believes not just in "god/s", but in your particular model
of them.
You still fail to understand that I am not going to drop an item of my faith
to please you when I do not see it infringing on any of your civic rights.
Dishonest snippage duly noted. Why do you think that removing your
comment from any kind of context is going to make it any more
relevant?
As I responded to Abner if you want to maintain a "native" culture of your
atheism unpolluted start up a private mailing list and save the public the
agony of running into this troubled forum.
This is irrelevant.
In *public* people have the
civic duty to be critical of any activity that is contrary to the public
good.
Then why don't you quit trolling on Usenet, the private pursuit of a
small minority of Netizens, and go work for the public good?
You seem to think that being welcome is important for me and you (as well as
others)
Actually, I thought, apparently incorrectly, that being perceived as
honest and intelligent mattered to you. Apparently I was mistaken.
keep questioning why do not I act in a manner that brings your (and
your gang's) respect.
DILLIGAFF?
You seem to wish if I had been seeking your pleasure. You fail to
understand that your forum would have not been of any interest to me had it
not been public. This forum being public is the only interest why I
participate on it (not that I am interested in being welcomed by you).
Then what are you interested in, other than coming off as an arrogant
*****?
---
"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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