Religions > Atheism > Chemistry teacher gets 3 years in jail and 750 lashes for mocking religion.
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15 Nov 2005 07:46:38 AM |
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Chemistry teacher gets 3 years in jail and 750 lashes for mocking religion. |
It happened in Saudi Arabia, but if the fundys get control, it could
happen anywhere.
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Teacher Charged With Mocking Religion Sentenced to Jail
Ebtihal Mubarak, Arab News
JEDDAH, 14 November 2005 The controversial case of Muhammad Al-Harbi, a
Saudi high school teacher accused of mocking religion, came to a
surprising end on Saturday. Al-Harbi was sentenced to three years in
prison and 750 lashes 50 lashes per week for 15 weeks. The lashes are
to be given in the public market in the town of Al-Bikeriya in Al-Qassim.
A number of 12th Grade students, along with some teachers from the same
school, filed a lawsuit a year-and-a-half ago against Al-Harbi. He was
accused of mocking Islam, favoring Jews and Christians, preventing
students from performing ablutions. He was also charged with studying
witchcraft. At the time, he was a chemistry teacher at Al-Fowailiq High
School in the town of Ein Al-Juwa in Al-Qassim.
This is a very cruel sentence, Al-Harbi told Arab News. He explained
over the phone that the students who filed the lawsuit had failed the
monthly chemistry test. They asked me to give them the exam again and
when I refused, they went to the principal to complain but he upheld my
decision, he explained.
According to Al-Harbi, the students actions were triggered by some
Islamic studies teachers who used the students anger at Al-Harbi and
convinced them to file the lawsuit.
The reason for the Islamic studies teachers action has its roots five
years ago when Al-Harbi joined the staff of Al-Fowailiq High School
after graduating from King Saud University in Riyadh. Based on his
academic record and extracurricular activities, the school principal
appointed Al-Harbi as school activities organizer.
Deeply disturbed by the explosions at the Al-Hamra Compound in Riyadh in
2003, Al-Harbi felt it his duty as an educator to enlighten his students
and warn them of terrorism and its consequences. He went to great
lengths by talking to students, hanging anti-terrorism signs around the
school and speaking against terrorism.
The Ministry of Education has recently ordered all schools to lecture
students on the dangers of extremism and terrorism in general, but I was
a step ahead of their decision, said Al-Harbi.
Apparently Al-Harbis actions and comments against terrorism upset a
number of Islamic studies teachers known for their fundamentalist
beliefs. After the Al-Hamra blast in Riyadh, Al-Harbi copied an article,
Cavemen Go to Hell written by Saudi columnist Hammad Al-Salmi in
Al-Jazirah newspaper, attacking terrorists and extremists. Al-Harbi
posted the article on the school bulletin board but it was ripped off
and torn to pieces.
The teachers, as one of the students fathers admitted to Al-Harbi, used
to visit students in their homes, encouraging them to disobey Al-Harbi
and calling him names. One of the Islamic studies teachers stopped
Al-Harbi in a morning school assembly from speaking against Abdul Aziz
Al-Muqrin, identified by the Saudi government as a terrorist and who was
on the governments list of wanted terrorists. The teacher told Al-Harbi
that Al-Muqrin was a Muslim and that no matter what he had done, no one
should speak against him.
They told the students that I studied under secular teachers and thus Im
not to be trusted in any subject except for chemistry, said Al-Harbi.
Abdul Rahman Al-Lahem, Al-Harbis lawyer, told Arab News that the
sentence was illegal. Any case that has to do with sacrilege must be
heard in a special religious court and not in a regular one, he
explained. The judge heard them individually and did not give the
defendant the right to interrogate the witnesses, said Al-Lahem. He also
refused to acknowledge Al-Lahem as the defendants lawyer. Al-Lahem will
appeal the verdict 10 days from the date of the original sentence.
Strangely, the judge did not question anyone from the school except for
the students and the teachers who filed the lawsuit. I asked the court
to talk to the principal and anyone from the school, but the judge
refused, said Al-Harbi.
One of the charges made against Al-Harbi was that he praised
disbelievers. Al-Lahem said that this was a very broad statement without
an exact meaning.
Another accusation made by the students and the teachers is that
Al-Harbi mocked bearded men since many religious people are bearded.
That is just ridiculous, Al-Lahem said, pointing out that Al-Harbi
himself has a beard.
When Arab News called the school principal, he refused to make any
comment beyond saying that he had been told by higher authorities to say
nothing to the media.
The physical education teacher at the school, however, said he had known
Al-Harbi as a decent, respectable, cooperative individual. One of the
students came to me today and told me that they really missed their
chemistry teacher, he said.
The Ministry of Education has transferred Al-Harbi from his teaching job
to an administrative one at the governorate educational office in Ein
Al-Juwa. When he contacted the ministry and asked why he was being
moved, Al-Harbi failed to get a clear answer.
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: Chemistry teacher gets 3 years in jail and 750 lashes for mocking religion. |
15 Nov 2005 10:35:04 AM |
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In article <jhachm-8E041F.23463814112005@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote:
Deeply disturbed by the explosions at the Al-Hamra Compound in Riyadh in
2003, Al-Harbi felt it his duty as an educator to enlighten his students
and warn them of terrorism and its consequences. He went to great
lengths by talking to students, hanging anti-terrorism signs around the
school and speaking against terrorism.
Well, there you go. Being against terrorism, he obviously was against
the free exercise of religion.
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: Chemistry teacher gets 3 years in jail and 750 lashes for mocking religion. |
15 Nov 2005 04:03:34 PM |
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*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> writes:
In article <jhachm-8E041F.23463814112005@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote:
Deeply disturbed by the explosions at the Al-Hamra Compound in Riyadh in
2003, Al-Harbi felt it his duty as an educator to enlighten his students
and warn them of terrorism and its consequences. He went to great
lengths by talking to students, hanging anti-terrorism signs around the
school and speaking against terrorism.
Well, there you go. Being against terrorism, he obviously was against
the free exercise of religion.
I think it's more like, since he's a chemistry teacher, he's
obviously involved in witchcraft.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Chemistry teacher gets 3 years in jail and 750 lashes for mocking religion. |
16 Nov 2005 06:26:03 AM |
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In article <nemo0037-9DA56F.05331915112005@news1.west.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachm-8E041F.23463814112005@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote:
Deeply disturbed by the explosions at the Al-Hamra Compound in Riyadh in
2003, Al-Harbi felt it his duty as an educator to enlighten his students
and warn them of terrorism and its consequences. He went to great
lengths by talking to students, hanging anti-terrorism signs around the
school and speaking against terrorism.
Well, there you go. Being against terrorism, he obviously was against
the free exercise of religion.
Obviously a blasphemer.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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16 Nov 2005 12:41:50 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:46:38 -0800 the ET form known as
johac<jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
It happened in Saudi Arabia, but if the fundys get control, it could
happen anywhere.
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Teacher Charged With Mocking Religion Sentenced to Jail
Ebtihal Mubarak, Arab News
JEDDAH, 14 November 2005 The controversial case of Muhammad Al-Harbi, a
Saudi high school teacher accused of mocking religion, came to a
surprising end on Saturday. Al-Harbi was sentenced to three years in
prison and 750 lashes 50 lashes per week for 15 weeks. The lashes are
to be given in the public market in the town of Al-Bikeriya in Al-Qassim.
<snipped>
Some interesting observations.
America invaded Iraq, which was not formally a theocracy, and left
Saudi Arabia alone - to give "freedom" and "civilisation" to the
birthplace of civilisation.
Saudi Arabia is an example of a privately owned country. It is what
the end product of deregulation and privatisation comes to - one
family owns the entire country. Maximum utilisation of property rights
leads to the cancelation of human rights. You can no more protest in a
city square in Saudi Arabia than you can in your employer's workplace.
It is literally not your place to do so. In no sense is the city
square yours.
Saudi Arabia combines religious fundyism with a totally privately
owned common.
The Bush family likes - indeed admires the Saudi royal family and
would like to emulate them. If they can they will bring Saudi life to
a neighbourhood near you really soon.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Chemistry teacher gets 3 years in jail and 750 lashes for mocking religion. |
16 Nov 2005 06:23:09 AM |
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In article <MPG.1de524525c2ec72998a294@news.optusnet.com.au>,
Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@YOUR_SHOESoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:46:38 -0800 the ET form known as
johac<jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
It happened in Saudi Arabia, but if the fundys get control, it could
happen anywhere.
---
Teacher Charged With Mocking Religion Sentenced to Jail
Ebtihal Mubarak, Arab News
JEDDAH, 14 November 2005 The controversial case of Muhammad Al-Harbi, a
Saudi high school teacher accused of mocking religion, came to a
surprising end on Saturday. Al-Harbi was sentenced to three years in
prison and 750 lashes 50 lashes per week for 15 weeks. The lashes are
to be given in the public market in the town of Al-Bikeriya in Al-Qassim.
<snipped>
Some interesting observations.
America invaded Iraq, which was not formally a theocracy, and left
Saudi Arabia alone - to give "freedom" and "civilisation" to the
birthplace of civilisation.
And we were supposed to 'democratize' the Middle East.
Saudi Arabia is an example of a privately owned country. It is what
the end product of deregulation and privatisation comes to - one
family owns the entire country. Maximum utilisation of property rights
leads to the cancelation of human rights. You can no more protest in a
city square in Saudi Arabia than you can in your employer's workplace.
It is literally not your place to do so. In no sense is the city
square yours.
The ultimate monopoly. One big megacorporation/megachurch.
Saudi Arabia combines religious fundyism with a totally privately
owned common.
The Bush family likes - indeed admires the Saudi royal family and
would like to emulate them. If they can they will bring Saudi life to
a neighbourhood near you really soon.
Their working at it.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Chemistry teacher gets 3 years in jail and 750 lashes for mocking religion. |
16 Nov 2005 01:42:55 PM |
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Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@YOUR_SHOESoptusnet.com.au> wrote in
news:MPG.1de524525c2ec72998a294@news.optusnet.com.au:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:46:38 -0800 the ET form known as
johac<jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
It happened in Saudi Arabia, but if the fundys get control, it could
happen anywhere.
---
Teacher Charged With Mocking Religion Sentenced to Jail
Ebtihal Mubarak, Arab News
JEDDAH, 14 November 2005 The controversial case of Muhammad
Al-Harbi, a Saudi high school teacher accused of mocking religion,
came to a surprising end on Saturday. Al-Harbi was sentenced to three
years in prison and 750 lashes 50 lashes per week for 15 weeks. The
lashes are to be given in the public market in the town of
Al-Bikeriya in Al-Qassim.
<snipped>
Some interesting observations.
America invaded Iraq, which was not formally a theocracy, and left
Saudi Arabia alone - to give "freedom" and "civilisation" to the
birthplace of civilisation.
Iraq's leadership was hostile to the US.
Saudis were at least nominally friendly.
Saudi Arabia is an example of a privately owned country. It is what
the end product of deregulation and privatisation comes to - one
family owns the entire country.
Quite the contrary, it is what the end product of *regulation* and
*government ownership* comes to. One family owns the government which
owns everything else.
Maximum utilisation of property rights
leads to the cancelation of human rights. You can no more protest in a
city square in Saudi Arabia than you can in your employer's workplace.
It is literally not your place to do so. In no sense is the city
square yours.
Saudi Arabia combines religious fundyism with a totally privately
owned common.
The Bush family likes - indeed admires the Saudi royal family and
would like to emulate them. If they can they will bring Saudi life to
a neighbourhood near you really soon.
What a load of crap.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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16 Nov 2005 03:03:51 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:42:55 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns971058C6EC882fstone69@213.155.197.138>:
Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@YOUR_SHOESoptusnet.com.au> wrote in
news:MPG.1de524525c2ec72998a294@news.optusnet.com.au:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:46:38 -0800 the ET form known as
johac<jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
It happened in Saudi Arabia, but if the fundys get control, it could
happen anywhere.
---
Teacher Charged With Mocking Religion Sentenced to Jail
Ebtihal Mubarak, Arab News
JEDDAH, 14 November 2005 The controversial case of Muhammad
Al-Harbi, a Saudi high school teacher accused of mocking religion,
came to a surprising end on Saturday. Al-Harbi was sentenced to three
years in prison and 750 lashes 50 lashes per week for 15 weeks. The
lashes are to be given in the public market in the town of
Al-Bikeriya in Al-Qassim.
<snipped>
Some interesting observations.
America invaded Iraq, which was not formally a theocracy, and left
Saudi Arabia alone - to give "freedom" and "civilisation" to the
birthplace of civilisation.
Iraq's leadership was hostile to the US.
Probably because we suckered them into a war with Iran and then when we
didn't have any use for them, we turned on them.
Saudis were at least nominally friendly.
Much like Stalin was friendly in WWII.
Saudi Arabia is an example of a privately owned country. It is what
the end product of deregulation and privatisation comes to - one
family owns the entire country.
Quite the contrary, it is what the end product of *regulation* and
*government ownership* comes to. One family owns the government which
owns everything else.
Maximum utilisation of property rights
leads to the cancelation of human rights. You can no more protest in a
city square in Saudi Arabia than you can in your employer's workplace.
It is literally not your place to do so. In no sense is the city
square yours.
Saudi Arabia combines religious fundyism with a totally privately
owned common.
The Bush family likes - indeed admires the Saudi royal family and
would like to emulate them. If they can they will bring Saudi life to
a neighbourhood near you really soon.
What a load of crap.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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16 Nov 2005 03:18:43 PM |
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David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in
news:ofimn15fu4po5mn8asf2qsambhg88a33ae@4ax.com:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:42:55 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns971058C6EC882fstone69@213.155.197.138>:
Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@YOUR_SHOESoptusnet.com.au> wrote in
news:MPG.1de524525c2ec72998a294@news.optusnet.com.au:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:46:38 -0800 the ET form known as
johac<jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
It happened in Saudi Arabia, but if the fundys get control, it
could happen anywhere.
---
Teacher Charged With Mocking Religion Sentenced to Jail
Ebtihal Mubarak, Arab News
JEDDAH, 14 November 2005 The controversial case of Muhammad
Al-Harbi, a Saudi high school teacher accused of mocking religion,
came to a surprising end on Saturday. Al-Harbi was sentenced to
three years in prison and 750 lashes 50 lashes per week for 15
weeks. The lashes are to be given in the public market in the town
of Al-Bikeriya in Al-Qassim.
<snipped>
Some interesting observations.
America invaded Iraq, which was not formally a theocracy, and left
Saudi Arabia alone - to give "freedom" and "civilisation" to the
birthplace of civilisation.
Iraq's leadership was hostile to the US.
Probably because we suckered them into a war with Iran and then when
we didn't have any use for them, we turned on them.
Saddam suckered himself into the war with Iran.
And we "turned on him" when he invaded Kuwait. And don't give me that
crap about the "green light" by ambassador Glaspie. That lie has been
refuted by Saddam's own deputy, Tarik Aziz.
Saudis were at least nominally friendly.
Much like Stalin was friendly in WWII.
Yes, rather like that. Blame it on the "realists" and their "stability
in the mideast" policies.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Chemistry teacher gets 3 years in jail and 750 lashes for mocking religion. |
16 Nov 2005 03:42:23 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:18:43 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns97106908BD4A2fstone69@213.155.197.138>:
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in
news:ofimn15fu4po5mn8asf2qsambhg88a33ae@4ax.com:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:42:55 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns971058C6EC882fstone69@213.155.197.138>:
Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@YOUR_SHOESoptusnet.com.au> wrote in
news:MPG.1de524525c2ec72998a294@news.optusnet.com.au:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:46:38 -0800 the ET form known as
johac<jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
It happened in Saudi Arabia, but if the fundys get control, it
could happen anywhere.
---
Teacher Charged With Mocking Religion Sentenced to Jail
Ebtihal Mubarak, Arab News
JEDDAH, 14 November 2005 The controversial case of Muhammad
Al-Harbi, a Saudi high school teacher accused of mocking religion,
came to a surprising end on Saturday. Al-Harbi was sentenced to
three years in prison and 750 lashes 50 lashes per week for 15
weeks. The lashes are to be given in the public market in the town
of Al-Bikeriya in Al-Qassim.
<snipped>
Some interesting observations.
America invaded Iraq, which was not formally a theocracy, and left
Saudi Arabia alone - to give "freedom" and "civilisation" to the
birthplace of civilisation.
Iraq's leadership was hostile to the US.
Probably because we suckered them into a war with Iran and then when
we didn't have any use for them, we turned on them.
Saddam suckered himself into the war with Iran.
And we "turned on him" when he invaded Kuwait. And don't give me that
crap about the "green light" by ambassador Glaspie. That lie has been
refuted by Saddam's own deputy, Tarik Aziz.
As I recall, our willingness to play nice with Saddam had already
cooled, roughly around the time the war with Iran ended. Kuwait was a
serious miscalculation based on his undue isolation from critics and
criticism, though I suspect that he thought we 'owed him' for Iran,
heard what he wanted, and figured that no one would care enough to do
anything about it. I'm not certain he would have been listening even if
Glaspie had said "We will destroy you if you attack Kuwait."
Saudis were at least nominally friendly.
Much like Stalin was friendly in WWII.
Yes, rather like that. Blame it on the "realists" and their "stability
in the mideast" policies.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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15 Nov 2005 05:24:19 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:46:38 -0800, johac wrote:
It happened in Saudi Arabia, but if the fundys get control, it could
happen anywhere.
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Teacher Charged With Mocking Religion Sentenced to Jail Ebtihal Mubarak,
Arab News
If we all get together, could we imprison and flog people who mock
science? There are a few Creationists I'd like to start with...
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MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "johac" |
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16 Nov 2005 06:23:36 AM |
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In article <pan.2005.11.15.17.24.19.359321@stopspam.net>,
MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:46:38 -0800, johac wrote:
It happened in Saudi Arabia, but if the fundys get control, it could
happen anywhere.
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Teacher Charged With Mocking Religion Sentenced to Jail Ebtihal Mubarak,
Arab News
If we all get together, could we imprison and flog people who mock
science? There are a few Creationists I'd like to start with...
I have a little list...
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "navi-gater" |
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15 Nov 2005 03:29:06 PM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-8E041F.23463814112005
@news.giganews.com:
JEDDAH, 14 November 2005 The controversial case of Muhammad Al-Harbi, a
Saudi high school teacher accused of mocking religion, came to a
surprising end on Saturday. Al-Harbi was sentenced to three years in
prison and 750 lashes 50 lashes per week for 15 weeks. The lashes are
to be given in the public market in the town of Al-Bikeriya in Al-Qassim.
<snip>
Disgrace.
Now this is something the mil. could be used to fix. Time for a rescue
mission on this guy.
Oh wait think of the childr.... Oil!
gater.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Chemistry teacher gets 3 years in jail and 750 lashes for mocking religion. |
16 Nov 2005 06:27:41 AM |
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In article <Xns970F6AAED3614thegatenet@207.69.189.191>,
"navi-gater" <gater@the-gate.net> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-8E041F.23463814112005
@news.giganews.com:
JEDDAH, 14 November 2005 The controversial case of Muhammad Al-Harbi, a
Saudi high school teacher accused of mocking religion, came to a
surprising end on Saturday. Al-Harbi was sentenced to three years in
prison and 750 lashes 50 lashes per week for 15 weeks. The lashes are
to be given in the public market in the town of Al-Bikeriya in Al-Qassim.
<snip>
Disgrace.
Now this is something the mil. could be used to fix. Time for a rescue
mission on this guy.
Oh wait think of the childr.... Oil!
gater.
Those oil fields look oppressed and definitely in need of liberation.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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