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CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A DAILY BASISTHEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NSA/CIA WIRETAPING PROGRAM.... |
CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NSA/CIA
WIRETAPING PROGRAM....
as one Foster Child put It,
"Everywhere I Go, Somebody Gets Money to Keep Me From Having a Mom and a
Dad."
A little light reading for anyone one interested in what CPS really does.
Adoption Bonuses: The Money Behind the Madness By Nev Moore
http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/2000/5_May/mayds4.htm
Statement of Cynthia Huckelberry, Redlands, California, and Sushanna Khamis,
C.P.S is Targeting Specific Families with Limited Set Budgets,
Where Child Removal is Commonly Practiced for Personal Financial Gain
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=2296
Statement of Honorable Joe Baca,
a Representative in Congress from the State of California
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=2215
The Failure of Family Law - a Drainpool For Taxpayers", By Kenneth C.
Wiggins
http://www.innocentdads.org/failure.htm
Statement of Barbara Harris to House Ways and Meams Committee
There are an increasing number of false allegations
being lodged against good and caring fathers, mothers,
step parents and grandparents
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=1349
House Committee on Ways and Means
Senior Counsel of the Home School Legal Defense Association
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=1143
U.S. House Committee on Ways & Means
Statement of Daniel Allen Roberts, Dunnellon, Florida
Children are abused far more in CPS care than at Home.
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=3163
House Committee on Ways and Means
Testimony of Barbara Bryan: Improving Proctection for Children Beyond CPS
Making “Paper Orphans” of children--especially babies marketable for
adoption and post-adoption
subsidies --is an unworthy contemporary American practice.
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=printfriendly&id=5126
Testimony Before the Subcommittee on Human Resources
of the House Committee on Ways and Means
Statement of Richard Wexler, Executive Director,
National Coalition for Child Protection Reform,
Alexandria, Virginia May 23, 2006
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=4962
Committee on Ways & Means
Statement of Barbara Bryan, Davidson, North Carolina
Taxpayers—federal, state and local—as well as contributors to tax-exempt
non-profit groups
are being defrauded under color of law as children are injured and
innocent families are dis-membered
in and because of America’s foster care system.
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=3148
House Committee on Ways and Means
Statement of Christina M. Amtower, Family Rights West Virginia, Keyser,
West Virginia
In matters involving divorce/custody, CPS becomes involved
(to collect federal funds for doing so) and the
push has been to remove families from public assistance or prevent them
from receiving it.
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=2218
House Committee on Education and the Workforce
Testimony of Christopher J. Klicka
Chicago CPS social worker: Many of the CPS cases are Deemed Unfounded
after Families
are Broken apart and Children are put in Foster Homes.
http://edworkforce.house.gov/hearings/107th/sed/capta101701/klicka.htm
House Committee on Ways and Means
Statement of Honorable Joe Baca,
a Representative in Congress from the State of California Eight Hours
of Personal Testimony From Families that were Ripped Apart and Destroyed
by Child Protective Services (CPS).
at a Town Hall Forum on CPS Reform in San Bernardino, California.
The Forum was Held to Hear Testimony and Receive Evidence
of What Many Parents, Grandparents, and Advocacy Organizations Describe as
“a Festering Cauldron of Fraud, Corruption, Abuse of Power and
Exploitation of Children.”
CPS routinely Violates The Constitutional Rights of Parents and Their
Children in The Process of Their “Intervention.”
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=1349
Statement of Anita M. Crowley, Wichita Falls, Texas
My understanding was that this institution was designed to protect children
while whenever possible, keeping families together.
This is not the way this organization is functioning.
In my own case, it was not even attempted.
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=2217
Dr. Shirley O'Brien, of the University of Arizona, notes that it has
been estimated up to 600,000 children
are used by the 'kiddie porn' industry" in the United States every year.
Isn’t it entirely possible
that the huge demand for children to be used in child porn and exploited
by pedophiles
is supplied from our nations foster care system?
http://www.lovestarrecords.com/earthharmonyfoundation/Congressional%20hearing/Congressional_Speeches.html
CPS and BANKRUPTCY:
http://www.aapsonline.org/newsletters/mar05.htm
Conspiracy of Silence: The Franklin Case Video.
Children From Foster Homes Used as Sex Slaves by Powerful Politicians
and Others.
http://www.franklincase.org/media.htm
Ted Gunderson (www.TedGunderson.com) FBI Senior Special Agent In Charge
Los Angeles CA, (Ret)
Speech to Congressional Hearing on Child Protection
Ted Gunderson : in regards to Child Protective Services in some areas
and some states, I have been told by a reliable source, that a planeload
of 210 children from CPS was flown out of Denver, Colorado on November
6, 1997 to Paris, France.
Later a second plane of children also under the care of CPS was flown
from Los Angeles to Europe.
[CHILD SEX TRADE INDUSTRY]
I have also developed information through credible and reliable sources
that in the past, children have been taken from Foster Homes,
orphanages, and Boys Town Nebraska, and flown by private jets from Sioux
City Iowa to Washington D.C. for sex orgies with politicians.
http://educate-yourself.org/tg/childprotectionspeech13mar04.shtml
CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NSA/CIA
WIRETAPING PROGRAM....
BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEIR
"FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...
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05 Apr 2007 11:41:30 PM |
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fx wrote:
CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NSA/CIA
WIRETAPING PROGRAM....
It's been my exerience with CPS that they have such huge caseloads they can
only remove children from the worst of the really bad cases and all to often
the children are returned in short order.
Most people who actually see what goes on without knowing of their workload
feel that they are not doing their job.
The idea that children always are better off with their parents is insane.
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06 Apr 2007 01:11:57 AM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
fx wrote:
CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NSA/CIA
WIRETAPING PROGRAM....
It's been my exerience with CPS that they have such huge caseloads they can
only remove children from the worst of the really bad cases and all to often
the children are returned in short order.
Most people who actually see what goes on without knowing of their workload
feel that they are not doing their job.
The idea that children always are better off with their parents is insane.
I agree some parents should Not be allowed anywhere near their children,
but the problem is a little more complicated than that..
For every Child, Child Protective Services actually Helps out of a Bad
situation they Harm or Destroy Several Dozen Good and Innocent Low
income Families and the Statistics Support This, THEIR OWN STATISTICS....
Child Protective Services makes no distinction between poverty and
neglect, Most of the children in foster care right now, were removed
from their home for (minor neglect) something that Might Happen ( if
left in a messy home they might get Sick.)
"MESSY HOUSE SYNDROME" ( basically the lack of a dishwasher). Instead of
something that did Happen, like physical or emotional abuse or not
having enough to eat and the statistics show that the children removed
from their home for minor neglect would be far safer if you simply left
them alone, then they would be in foster care or adopted out to someone
where they are far more likely to be raped, murdered, physically abused
or go hungry then in their own home...
P.S. if you have a pet Dog or Cat, your more likely to lose your kids if
CPS investigates you...
the statistics show these children are far better off if you simply
leave them alone, or offered in home support services, but the state
doesn't receive any federal money for that, only for removing the
children from their home, (Paper Orphans)...
the States make a Fortune off the Federal Dollars given to the State
for each child in foster care, and even more money for every child
adopted out of foster care basically YOUR CHILDREN [FOR SALE]
a cut and past of an earlier document...
www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf
DCF is the “moving force” behind the on-going violations of federal law
and violations of the Constitution. This idea of not complying with the
4th and 14th Amendments is so impregnated in their statutes, policies,
practices and customs. It affects all and what they do. DCF takes on the
persona of the feeling of exaggerated power over parents and that they
are totally immune. Further, that they can do basically do anything they
want including engaging in deception, misrepresentation of the facts and
lying to the judge. This happens thousands of times every day in the
United States where the end justifies the mean even if it is unlawful,
illegal and unconstitutional.
We can tell you stories for hours where CPS employees committed criminal
acts and were prosecuted and went to jail and/or were sued for civil
rights violations. CPS workers have lied in reports and court documents,
asked others to lie, and kidnapped children without court orders. They
even have crossed state lines impersonating police, kidnapping children
and then were prosecuted for their actions. There are also a number of
documented cases where the case worker killed the child. It is sickening
how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even killed at the
hands of Child Protective Services. The following statistics represent
the number of cases per 100,000 children in the United States and
includes DCF in Connecticut. This information is from The National
Center on Child Abuse and Neglect (NCCAN) in Washington.
Perpetrators of Maltreatment
Physical
Abuse
Sexual
Abuse
Neglect
Medical
Neglect
Fatalities
CPS
160
112
410
14
6.4
Parents
59
13
241
12
1.5
Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which
they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.
try Googleing Child Protective Services Destroying families and see
what happens
...
http://www.google.com/search?q=Child+Protective+Services+Destroying+families&hl=en&start=10&sa=N
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06 Apr 2007 12:41:07 PM |
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fx <fx@starband.net> wrote:
Mike Painter wrote:
fx wrote:
CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NSA/CIA
WIRETAPING PROGRAM....
It's been my exerience with CPS that they have such huge caseloads they can
only remove children from the worst of the really bad cases and all to often
the children are returned in short order.
Most people who actually see what goes on without knowing of their workload
feel that they are not doing their job.
The idea that children always are better off with their parents is insane.
I agree some parents should Not be allowed anywhere near their children,
but the problem is a little more complicated than that..
For every Child, Child Protective Services actually Helps out of a Bad
situation they Harm or Destroy Several Dozen Good and Innocent Low
income Families and the Statistics Support This, THEIR OWN STATISTICS....
Child Protective Services exists, as its name suggests. to protect
children. "Families" are not relevant EXCEPT to the extent that they
protect children. If "harming a family" protects the children of that
family, CPS has done its job.
Child Protective Services makes no distinction between poverty and
neglect,
You are probably wrong, but
Why should it? The question is whether the children are being harmed.
"MESSY HOUSE SYNDROME" ( basically the lack of a dishwasher).
Wrong:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=15581103&dopt=Abstract
<The messy house syndrome (Diogenes syndrome) is present when, owing to
< a disordering of the personality structure, a person is unable to
< keep order, for example, in the household or his finances. Such
< persons are also referred to as "messies". Useless objects are
< hoarded in such quantities that the apartment can no longer be lived
< in. In many cases, the disorder is due to an underlying mental
< problem such as dementia, schizophrenia, ADHS or obsessive-compulsive
< disorders. The Prader-Willi syndrome is also associated with an
< unusual compulsion to hoard things or food. In the first instance,
< treatment is aimed at the underlying condition (neuroleptic agents,
< SSRI). New studies appear to suggest that the particular concomitant
< cognitive and emotional disturbances associated with hoarding respond
< to cognitive behavioral therapy.
the statistics show these children are far better off if you simply
leave them alone,
They cannot possibly show that, since one cannot tell what would have
happened on "the road not taken".
the States make a Fortune off the Federal Dollars given to the State
for each child in foster care,
Not hardly.
DCF is the “moving force” behind the on-going violations of federal law
and violations of the Constitution.
If there are such violations, then it is up to the courts to decide
them. If the courts do not agree with you, then you are wrong.
We can tell you stories for hours where CPS employees committed criminal
acts and were prosecuted and went to jail and/or were sued for civil
rights violations.
We can find even more stories of parents who abused their children.
Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children.
Apples and oranges.
CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States.
Not hardly, since there are a LOT more parents than CPS workers.
If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too.
Why would they do that? CPS doesn't even get involved until the
situation has gotten bad. At that point, they need only to be held to
a higher standard than the parents who FAILED.
No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which
they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.
If they were safe homes, they would not be removed. The social
workers are better evaluators than the parents are.
lojbab
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07 Apr 2007 12:39:08 AM |
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Nobody wants to talk about America's Hidden Holocaust, they want to
pretend that it's not happening.
The Destruction of Hundreds of Innocent Families by Child Protective
Services, Nobody seems to care that happy children are being stolen from
good parents by CPS at a greater rate Then abused children are saved
from BAD parents....
We are not talking about children who were being beaten, Nor are we
talking about children who were going hungry or being abused in any way...
we are not talking about children rescued by the police from abusive
parents or bad situations, the police do a far far better job of saving
and protecting children then CPS any day of the week!, Unfortunately
then the police turn the children over to Child Protective Services and
the real child abuse begins...
FACT: Kids are killed JUST as often in foster homes as they are in
biological homes more so in recent years. 6.4 more children and in some
states that number is far higher, During a recent two-year period, one
foster child died on average every seven and a half weeks in The State
of Arizona. Four of them were reported as having been "Viciously Beaten
to Death" by their Foster Parents..
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume10/j10_10_8.htm
FOSTER CARE VS. FAMILY PRESERVATION: THE TRACK RECORD ON SAFETY
http://www.nccpr.org/index_files/page0003.html
Numerous photos of a child who has been battered while in CPS custody,
who cares?...
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff178374.htm
tell me if this looks like a happy child to you?
then once they enter the system many of them simply disappear
but nobody seems to care, they are legal (paper orphans) who cares
anyway???
don't take my word that there's a problem with Child Protective
Services, research it for yourself!
Most CPS Caseworkers don't begin to have they educational qualifications
of the least trained police officer! And in some States could not
qualify for a social workers license, but yet! They are Given almost
unlimited power with no accountability whatsoever.
I'm not even going to get into All the Civil rights and Constitutional
violations done on our daily basis by Child Protective Services...
Personally, I Do Not appreciate Child Protective Services using the
Constitution of the United States as Toilet Paper in a Time of War,
while the Good Men and Women of our Armed Forces are Fighting and Dying
for It.
You do support the Constitution don't you??? Or do you care?
Obviously you don't, or you would be as Mad as I am about it...
here is a little light reading for anyone one interested in what CPS
really does.
as one Foster Child put It,
"Everywhere I Go, Somebody Gets Money to Keep Me From Having a Mom and a
Dad."
Statement of Cynthia Huckelberry, Redlands, California, and Sushanna Khamis,
C.P.S is Targeting Specific Families with Limited Set Budgets,
Where Child Removal is Commonly Practiced for Personal Financial Gain
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=2296
Conspiracy of Silence: The Franklin Case Video.
Children From Foster Homes Used as Sex Slaves by Powerful Politicians
and Others.
http://www.franklincase.org/media.htm
Adoption Bonuses: The Money Behind the Madness By Nev Moore
http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/2000/5_May/mayds4.htm
Statement of Honorable Joe Baca,
a Representative in Congress from the State of California
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=2215
The Failure of Family Law - a Drainpool For Taxpayers", By Kenneth C.
Wiggins
http://www.innocentdads.org/failure.htm
Statement of Barbara Harris to House Ways and Meams Committee
There are an increasing number of false allegations
being lodged against good and caring fathers, mothers,
step parents and grandparents
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=1349
House Committee on Ways and Means
Senior Counsel of the Home School Legal Defense Association
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=1143
U.S. House Committee on Ways & Means
Statement of Daniel Allen Roberts, Dunnellon, Florida
Children are abused far more in CPS care than at Home.
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=3163
House Committee on Ways and Means
Testimony of Barbara Bryan: Improving Proctection for Children Beyond CPS
Making “Paper Orphans” of children--especially babies marketable for
adoption and post-adoption
subsidies --is an unworthy contemporary American practice.
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=printfriendly&id=5126
Testimony Before the Subcommittee on Human Resources
of the House Committee on Ways and Means
Statement of Richard Wexler, Executive Director,
National Coalition for Child Protection Reform,
Alexandria, Virginia May 23, 2006
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=4962
Committee on Ways & Means
Statement of Barbara Bryan, Davidson, North Carolina
Taxpayers—federal, state and local—as well as contributors to tax-exempt
non-profit groups
are being defrauded under color of law as children are injured and
innocent families are dis-membered
in and because of America’s foster care system.
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=3148
House Committee on Ways and Means
Statement of Christina M. Amtower, Family Rights West Virginia, Keyser,
West Virginia
In matters involving divorce/custody, CPS becomes involved
(to collect federal funds for doing so) and the
push has been to remove families from public assistance or prevent them
from receiving it.
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=2218
House Committee on Education and the Workforce
Testimony of Christopher J. Klicka
Chicago CPS social worker: Many of the CPS cases are Deemed Unfounded
after Families
are Broken apart and Children are put in Foster Homes.
http://edworkforce.house.gov/hearings/107th/sed/capta101701/klicka.htm
House Committee on Ways and Means
Statement of Honorable Joe Baca,
a Representative in Congress from the State of California Eight Hours
of Personal Testimony From Families that were Ripped Apart and Destroyed
by Child Protective Services (CPS).
at a Town Hall Forum on CPS Reform in San Bernardino, California.
The Forum was Held to Hear Testimony and Receive Evidence
of What Many Parents, Grandparents, and Advocacy Organizations Describe as
“a Festering Cauldron of Fraud, Corruption, Abuse of Power and
Exploitation of Children.”
CPS routinely Violates The Constitutional Rights of Parents and Their
Children in The Process of Their “Intervention.”
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=1349
Statement of Anita M. Crowley, Wichita Falls, Texas
My understanding was that this institution was designed to protect children
while whenever possible, keeping families together.
This is not the way this organization is functioning.
In my own case, it was not even attempted.
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=2217
Dr. Shirley O'Brien, of the University of Arizona, notes that it has
been estimated up to 600,000 children
are used by the 'kiddie porn' industry" in the United States every year.
Isn’t it entirely possible
that the huge demand for children to be used in child porn and exploited
by pedophiles
is supplied from our nations foster care system?
http://www.lovestarrecords.com/earthharmonyfoundation/Congressional%20hearing/Congressional_Speeches.html
CPS and BANKRUPTCY:
http://www.aapsonline.org/newsletters/mar05.htm
Ted Gunderson (http://www.TedGunderson.com) FBI Senior Special Agent In
Charge Los Angeles CA, (Ret)
Speech to Congressional Hearing on Child Protection
Ted Gunderson : in regards to Child Protective Services in some areas
and some states, I have been told by a reliable source, that a planeload
of 210 children from CPS was flown out of Denver, Colorado on November
6, 1997 to Paris, France.
Later a second plane of children also under the care of CPS was flown
from Los Angeles to Europe.
[CHILD SEX TRADE INDUSTRY]
I have also developed information through credible and reliable sources
that in the past, children have been taken from Foster Homes,
orphanages, and Boys Town Nebraska, and flown by private jets from Sioux
City Iowa to Washington D.C. for sex orgies with politicians.
http://educate-yourself.org/tg/childprotectionspeech13mar04.shtml
CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NSA/CIA
WIRETAPING PROGRAM....
BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEIR
"FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...
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07 Apr 2007 01:34:02 AM |
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fx <fx@starband.net> wrote:
The Destruction of Hundreds of Innocent Families by Child Protective
Services, Nobody seems to care that happy children are being stolen from
good parents by CPS at a greater rate
I doubt that there are even a trivial number of cases of "happy
children" taken from "good parents".
lojbab
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09 Apr 2007 01:11:00 AM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
fx <fx@starband.net> wrote:
The Destruction of Hundreds of Innocent Families by Child Protective
Services, Nobody seems to care that happy children are being stolen from
good parents by CPS at a greater rate
I doubt that there are even a trivial number of cases of "happy
children" taken from "good parents".
lojbab
700 to 1?
One hero, Montel Williams, recently aired “For the Love of a Child” for
the second time. He stated that for the one child that is actually being
abused, CPS is destroying 700 families in the process.
Land of the free, home of the brave?
http://www.hidesertstar.com/articles/2006/07/19/editorial/opinion2.txt
Arizona Senate Bill 1430 not only reflects fundamental constitutional
protections and God-given inalienable rights our founding fathers gave
their lives for and lawmakers' opinion that Child Protective Services is
negligent, but freedoms our military fights to preserve and promote. It
would have forced CPS to show “clear and convincing” evidence of
abuse/neglect before keeping a child in state custody; forced CPS to
prove abuse/neglect “beyond a reasonable doubt” before terminating
parental rights; make all “reasonable” efforts (for family
preservation); and establish a Family Advocacy Council and Office
outside the Department of Economic Security's umbrella to review CPS
cases and advocate on behalf of parents whose children have been
removed. It was defeated by one vote!
One hero, Montel Williams, recently aired “For the Love of a Child” for
the second time. He stated that for the one child that is actually being
abused, CPS is destroying 700 families in the process.
NBC Nightly News recently interviewed another hero, former Maine (CPS)
Supervisor Pat Moore. She was concerned about two children being adopted
out to a known felon and was told to be quiet and let the adoption go
through. She refused, was fired, is suing the department and screaming
children are not “quotas!”
June 8, 2006, Clayton Tribune “DFCS probe: Violations Rampant” by Blake
Spurney, “Stories of overzealous Department of Family and Children
Services employees prowling for referrals and using people's children as
tools of extortion were true, according to the Georgia Department of
Human Resources investigative report.” It states: caseworkers receive
retaliation and suspension for reporting questionable practices to the
state - evidence being shredded; deputies sent to pick up children from
schools with no directives and no court orders; former sheriff's DFCS
liaison bragging she broke the record by picking up 28 to 38 children;
proof (CPS) makes case plans virtually impossible to complete; women's
shelters and even 911 emergency calls used to “process” more children
into the system; directors and supervisors make false statements to
investigators; the office was guilty of numerous conflicts of interest
that violated DHR's policy for Standards of Conduct and Ethics in
Government; drug testing contractor conflicts and manipulation
criticized by clients, lawyers and law enforcement (federal fraud?);
monies earmarked for “Prevent Unnecessary Placement” funds (typically
used to help people clean or repair their homes) being used to help pay
for excessive drug screening. Attorney Brian Rickman stated, “This is
DFCS' investigation Š this is what they found, and it appears to verify
virtually all of the allegations.”
The overly used excuse that CPS is “short staffed, over burdened with
heavy caseloads, and doesn't have enough funding” is an affront to human
dignity and decency.
Richard Wexler, executive director of the National Coalition of Child
Protection Reform, supported Arizona's bill, stating “Children suffer
emotionally if the tougher conditions for burden of proof aren't met.
The risk is tearing the family apart. Before you do something that risky
to a child, you better be sure that that home is so bad they would be
better off in a foster home.”
People now fear calling 911; taking their child to the doctor; going
into a shelter; calling authorities when their spouse is abusing their
child. CPS must be held accountable for the millions of shattered lives!
“Confidentiality” or secret agreements appear to be the government's
excuse for its continued impotence in protecting America's liberty
interests. FYI: CPS is under the auspices of Homeland Security!
We must reflect upon how few protections we the people still have and
decide what we must do to re-establish due process in this “land of the
free, home of the brave.”
Honor supercedes loyalty. Where are the people of valor?
CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NSA/CIA
WIRETAPING PROGRAM....
BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEIR
"FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...
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fx <fx@starband.net> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
fx <fx@starband.net> wrote:
The Destruction of Hundreds of Innocent Families by Child Protective
Services, Nobody seems to care that happy children are being stolen from
good parents by CPS at a greater rate
I doubt that there are even a trivial number of cases of "happy
children" taken from "good parents".
700 to 1?
One hero, Montel Williams,
Never heard of him. He certainly is not a hero to me. Wikipedia says
that he is a talk-show host. Talk-show hosts are hardly expert in
child abuse (nor necessarily anything else other than entertaining an
audience).
recently aired “For the Love of a Child” for
the second time. He stated that for the one child that is actually being
abused, CPS is destroying 700 families in the process.
Do you believe everything you hear someone say? If so, I've a bridge
to sell you.
Arizona Senate Bill 1430 ...
It was defeated by one vote!
Sounds like the elected representatives of "we the people" don't buy
your arguments.
NBC Nightly News recently interviewed another hero,
You have a bad case of hero worship.
former Maine (CPS)
Supervisor Pat Moore. She was concerned about two children being adopted
out to a known felon
How many children are born to "known felon"s and not taken away at
birth?
What specifically was the felony? Had the sentence been served? In
case you haven't realized it, a felon who has served his time has no
further debt to society.
and was told to be quiet and let the adoption go through.
She refused, was fired,
That happens to people who don't follow the orders of their
supervisors. Only of they told her to do something illegal does she
have much of a case.
is suing the department and screaming children are not “quotas!”
Screaming won't win her support.
June 8, 2006, Clayton Tribune “DFCS probe: Violations Rampant” by Blake
Spurney, “Stories of overzealous Department of Family and Children
Services employees prowling for referrals and using people's children as
tools of extortion were true, according to the Georgia Department of
Human Resources investigative report.” It states: caseworkers receive
retaliation and suspension for reporting questionable practices to the
state - evidence being shredded; deputies sent to pick up children from
schools with no directives and no court orders; former sheriff's DFCS
liaison bragging she broke the record by picking up 28 to 38 children;
proof (CPS) makes case plans virtually impossible to complete; women's
shelters and even 911 emergency calls used to “process” more children
into the system; directors and supervisors make false statements to
investigators; the office was guilty of numerous conflicts of interest
that violated DHR's policy for Standards of Conduct and Ethics in
Government; drug testing contractor conflicts and manipulation
criticized by clients, lawyers and law enforcement (federal fraud?);
monies earmarked for “Prevent Unnecessary Placement” funds (typically
used to help people clean or repair their homes) being used to help pay
for excessive drug screening. Attorney Brian Rickman stated, “This is
DFCS' investigation Š this is what they found, and it appears to verify
virtually all of the allegations.”
I doubt that any newspaper ever published such poorly-written
gobblety-gook with endless phrases and clauses separated by
semicolons.
The overly used excuse that CPS is “short staffed, over burdened with
heavy caseloads, and doesn't have enough funding” is an affront to human
dignity and decency.
So? Maybe we need to hike taxes in order to pay for the job to be
done better.
Richard Wexler, executive director of the National Coalition of Child
Protection Reform,
Now there is an unbiased observer. Not!
supported Arizona's bill, stating “Children suffer
emotionally if the tougher conditions for burden of proof aren't met.
The risk is tearing the family apart. Before you do something that risky
to a child, you better be sure that that home is so bad they would be
better off in a foster home.”
People now fear calling 911;
They do? Only if they've done something wrong. I wouldn't be afraid
to.
taking their child to the doctor;
Likewise.
going into a shelter;
If one needs to go into a shelter, then it is already questionable
whether one is capable of taking care of a child.
calling authorities when their spouse is abusing their child.
What are they afraid of? That the government might protect the child
from the spouse by removing it from the abusive home? A parent who
would not call authorities in such a situation should not be a parent.
CPS must be held accountable for the millions of shattered lives!
Of people who protect their spouses from child abuse charges? Let
them be accountable for shattering more such lives.
“Confidentiality” or secret agreements appear to be the government's
excuse for its continued impotence in protecting America's liberty
interests. FYI: CPS is under the auspices of Homeland Security!
CPS is a state level agency. Homeland Security is a national cabinet
department.
We must reflect upon how few protections we the people still have
The same ones that we had when the Bill of Rights were passed, only
now the states are not allowed to violate them.
and decide what we must do to re-establish due process
Due process seems to be what you are trying to eliminate.
in this “land of the free, home of the brave.”
Honor supercedes loyalty.
Are you arguing for treason?
Where are the people of valor?
They are standing up against your nonsense.
CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NSA/CIA
WIRETAPING PROGRAM.
And you know how many civil rights are violated daily by the NSA/CIA
using what clearance?
BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.")
Against your ilk.
THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEIR "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...
I will also vote accordingly if they are child unfriendly, and
abusive-parent friendly.
lojbab
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
fx <fx@starband.net> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
fx <fx@starband.net> wrote:
The Destruction of Hundreds of Innocent Families by Child Protective
Services, Nobody seems to care that happy children are being stolen from
good parents by CPS at a greater rate
I doubt that there are even a trivial number of cases of "happy
children" taken from "good parents".
700 to 1?
One hero, Montel Williams,
Never heard of him. He certainly is not a hero to me. Wikipedia says
that he is a talk-show host. Talk-show hosts are hardly expert in
child abuse (nor necessarily anything else other than entertaining an
audience).
recently aired “For the Love of a Child” for
the second time. He stated that for the one child that is actually being
abused, CPS is destroying 700 families in the process.
Do you believe everything you hear someone say? If so, I've a bridge
to sell you.
NO, I careful research everything.
Arizona Senate Bill 1430 ...
It was defeated by one vote!
Sounds like the elected representatives of "we the people" don't buy
your arguments.
some which are currently under investigation for conflict of interest
they own stock in companies that supplies services to CPS/DES..
NBC Nightly News recently interviewed another hero,
You have a bad case of hero worship.
Not me!
http://www.hidesertstar.com/articles/2006/07/19/editorial/opinion2.txt
former Maine (CPS)
Supervisor Pat Moore. She was concerned about two children being adopted
out to a known felon
How many children are born to "known felon"s and not taken away at
birth?
How many children are born to mothers who are not felons and have no
criminal history, only to have their children taken at birth (stolen)
and sold to the highest bidder to the State because they have a CPS
record? ( dirty dishes, clothing on the floor, too a small house.)
Remember! we are not talking about criminals or child abusers.
What specifically was the felony? Had the sentence been served? In
case you haven't realized it, a felon who has served his time has no
further debt to society.
and was told to be quiet and let the adoption go through.
She refused, was fired,
That happens to people who don't follow the orders of their
supervisors. Only of they told her to do something illegal does she
have much of a case.
is suing the department and screaming children are not “quotas!”
Screaming won't win her support.
of course it will..
June 8, 2006, Clayton Tribune “DFCS probe: Violations Rampant” by Blake
Spurney, “Stories of overzealous Department of Family and Children
Services employees prowling for referrals and using people's children as
tools of extortion were true, according to the Georgia Department of
Human Resources investigative report.” It states: caseworkers receive
retaliation and suspension for reporting questionable practices to the
state - evidence being shredded; deputies sent to pick up children from
schools with no directives and no court orders; former sheriff's DFCS
liaison bragging she broke the record by picking up 28 to 38 children;
proof (CPS) makes case plans virtually impossible to complete; women's
shelters and even 911 emergency calls used to “process” more children
into the system; directors and supervisors make false statements to
investigators; the office was guilty of numerous conflicts of interest
that violated DHR's policy for Standards of Conduct and Ethics in
Government; drug testing contractor conflicts and manipulation
criticized by clients, lawyers and law enforcement (federal fraud?);
monies earmarked for “Prevent Unnecessary Placement” funds (typically
used to help people clean or repair their homes) being used to help pay
for excessive drug screening. Attorney Brian Rickman stated, “This is
DFCS' investigation Š this is what they found, and it appears to verify
virtually all of the allegations.”
I doubt that any newspaper ever published such poorly-written
gobblety-gook with endless phrases and clauses separated by
semicolons.
DFCS probe: Violations rampant
By Blake Spurney
http://www.theclaytontribune.com/articles/2006/06/08/news/news03.txt
Your Definitely on a Roll, Bob
The overly used excuse that CPS is “short staffed, over burdened with
heavy caseloads, and doesn't have enough funding” is an affront to human
dignity and decency.
So? Maybe we need to hike taxes in order to pay for the job to be
done better.
Maybe we should just Stop CPS from destroying Good families [ please
note the word GOOD! families as opposed to Bad families.]
and selling their children into Slavery! then forcing what's left of
their family into bankruptcie..
Over a kitchen sink with a few dirty Dishes..
Richard Wexler, executive director of the National Coalition of Child
Protection Reform,
Now there is an unbiased observer. Not!
<Snip>
Richard Wexler is, indeed, biased. He is biased by his close personal
examination of hundreds of cases. He is biased by his strong belief that
WE, the people, in our rush to save the chilluns, are KILLING them.
He is biased by FACTS. IF you have marginal reading and observation
ability, and you investigate a few of those families who are screaming
that they were falsely accused and stripped of their children, you will
discover at LEAST 50% of those children WERE stolen, not saved, and that
at least 50% of those children "suffered" mild neglect in their own
homes,easily remedied by HELP, but in FOSTER Care they found REAL Abuse.
Not all abused foster children die. Most of them just grow up with
psychological damage that they cannot overcome, and many grow up with
sexual abuse tucked away in their psyche somewhere, forever terrified of
revealing it. It's a self-sustaining BUSINESS, this child protection
agenda. Those former foster children,when THEIR kids are reported as
neglected, are PRESUMED to be bad parents if they admit having been a
foster child. Evidently Arizona KNOWS that the state can't raise a child
to be a good parent.
Facts that you AZ taxpayers should realize.. DES gets more money every
time they ask. Sure, legislators balk and posture, but in the end, they
give in. DES NEVER has to account for the money, just has to point to
the most recent dead child who SHOULD have been removed, and cry, "We
just don't ahve the money for the staff, we're over worked, METH is
creating more cases, " or whatever the excuse of the day is, and the
public, who never wants to confront this problem, throws a few more
bucks at it, pats themselves on the back that they helped the poor, and
forgets it. Then it's back to business as usual. SAY you checked on the
kids in taht foster home, who cares anyway? They are legal orphans, no
one will miss them if they disappear. They are LOST children, lost in
YOUR state system, destroyed with YOUR money and YOUR apathy.
IT is time that AZ got a grip. Your children are being stolen for MONEY.
There is a huge federal payment in the theft and termination of rights,
and another large one in the adoptions.
Arizona has one of the worst track records in the country for HONESTLY
protecting endangered kids. WHY? because the investigators have no clue
HOW to investigate, and the machinery is so clogged with messy house
cases, in cases where HELP was needed, destruction came from your tax
dollar instead. When a truly abused child is reported, its a crap shoot.
Regardless of the needs of the child and family, the fact is that DES
will probably miss the mark. That could be made right,if only some
EDUCATED public opinions would start to emerge.
Foster care review? You mean the people who think that social workers
are always right? That they never lie, so their reports are reliable?
Foster care review is only as valid as the information given to review.
Same for judicial determinations. Sadly, with the dregs being appointed
for attorneys, the court and the foster care review board RARELY hear
the facts. You only get the justice you can afford to PAY for. These
officials don't get the whole story, they only the talking points.
You have to talk to the FAMILY to get the real picture. And no, they are
NOT all perfect. But compared to being raped and shuffled from one home
to the next, where NO one really cares, living in poverty isn't so bad.
Maybe we might spend a few bucks to HELP them instead of destroying what
good they have in their lives. No one ever wants to hear THE FAMILIES,
they just want to hang onto their prejudices and sleep well. IF you
really looked closer, you would lose some sleep... trust me.
Wexler is 100% right. And it will STAY that way until the court of
public opinion wakes up. That won't happen til some Senator's grandchild
is taken into DES custody.
I can't believe a population so completely under siege is so totally
unaware of it.<Snip>
Sorry about the <Snip> Bob
it's from By Christine K. of (COFRAI)
I just had to cut and paste it.
supported Arizona's bill, stating “Children suffer
emotionally if the tougher conditions for burden of proof aren't met.
The risk is tearing the family apart. Before you do something that risky
to a child, you better be sure that that home is so bad they would be
better off in a foster home.”
People now fear calling 911;
They do? Only if they've done something wrong. I wouldn't be afraid
to.
isn't it amazing that in 90 percent of the cases where people lose
their children to CPS, No criminal charges are ever filed, not one!
taking their child to the doctor;
Likewise.
going into a shelter;
If one needs to go into a shelter, then it is already questionable
whether one is capable of taking care of a child.
So we finally being POOR a crime?
calling authorities when their spouse is abusing their child.
What are they afraid of? That the government might protect the child
from the spouse by removing it from the abusive home? A parent who
would not call authorities in such a situation should not be a parent.
Most of the children in foster care right now, were removed from their
home for ( Minor neglect) ( if left in a messy home they might get Sick.)
Instead of physical abuse, or do you consider a few dishes in the
kitchen sink or too many socks on the children's bedroom floor to be
dangerous?
WHOLE FAMILIES HAVE BEEN DESTROYED FOR LESS...
CPS must be held accountable for the millions of shattered lives!
Of people who protect their spouses from child abuse charges? Let
them be accountable for shattering more such lives.
I agree!, but we are not talking about the ones being abused
we are talking about those families destroyed for ( Minor neglect)
No criminal charges remember?
“Confidentiality” or secret agreements appear to be the government's
excuse for its continued impotence in protecting America's liberty
interests. FYI: CPS is under the auspices of Homeland Security!
CPS is a state level agency. Homeland Security is a national cabinet
department.
We must reflect upon how few protections we the people still have
The same ones that we had when the Bill of Rights were passed, only
now the states are not allowed to violate them.
and decide what we must do to re-establish due process
Due process seems to be what you are trying to eliminate.
in this “land of the free, home of the brave.”
Honor supercedes loyalty.
Are you arguing for treason?
Were not the ones using the Constitution of the United States as
Toilet Paper.
CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES is, and if you take the time to research it
you will find most of our politicians are technically guilty of "Treason
against United States" by knowingly allowing CPS to violate the
Constitutionally Guaranteed Freedoms and Civil rights of thousands of
Americans most of who have never been charged with a crime of any kind
or ever will be...
Where are the people of valor?
They are standing up against your nonsense.
Wrong, they are standing up against a 30-year-old mistaken that needs to
be fixed, and badly SO!...
CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NSA/CIA
WIRETAPING PROGRAM.
And you know how many civil rights are violated daily by the NSA/CIA
using what clearance?
The NSA recently told Congress it may have been as many as 5000 people
who had their Civil rights violated, which makes them amateurs compared
to CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES...
BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.")
Against your ilk.
THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEIR "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...
I will also vote accordingly if they are child unfriendly, and
abusive-parent friendly.
lojbab
Nobody here is abusive parent friendly! Bob.
All children have all right to be safe and
that includes from over zealous States using them as a source of
Federal revenue... basically Your Children [FOR SALE]
P.S. don't take my word for it Bob or anyone's, researcher it for
yourself...
CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NSA/CIA
WIRETAPING PROGRAM....
BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEIR
"FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...
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fx <fx@starband.net> wrote:
Arizona Senate Bill 1430 ...
It was defeated by one vote!
Sounds like the elected representatives of "we the people" don't buy
your arguments.
some which are currently under investigation for conflict of interest
they own stock in companies that supplies services to CPS/DES..
So? They elected and reelected Bush, too.
But this country is still governed by "we the people" and their
elected representatives, for all their sins, don't agree with you.
former Maine (CPS)
Supervisor Pat Moore. She was concerned about two children being adopted
out to a known felon
How many children are born to "known felon"s and not taken away at
birth?
How many children are born to mothers who are not felons and have no
criminal history, only to have their children taken at birth (stolen)
and sold to the highest bidder to the State because they have a CPS
record? ( dirty dishes, clothing on the floor, too a small house.)
Remember! we are not talking about criminals or child abusers.
I dunno. You are the one who claims to do research. Alas, you are
lacking with legitimate citations, as opposed to talk-show hosts.
Also alas, I am an adoptive parent, albeit of foreign children, and
thus have a little awareness of the adoption "market". Unfortunately
for you that awareness does not include any examples of baby-selling
by the state or anyone else.
What specifically was the felony? Had the sentence been served?
No answers I notice.
Screaming won't win her support.
of course it will..
You have an odd idea of how to sway public opinion. Or maybe you
think that screaming in court will sway the judge?
June 8, 2006, Clayton Tribune “DFCS probe: Violations Rampant” by Blake
Spurney, “Stories of overzealous Department of Family and Children
Services employees prowling for referrals and using people's children as
tools of extortion were true, according to the Georgia Department of
Human Resources investigative report.” It states: caseworkers receive
retaliation and suspension for reporting questionable practices to the
state - evidence being shredded; deputies sent to pick up children from
schools with no directives and no court orders; former sheriff's DFCS
liaison bragging she broke the record by picking up 28 to 38 children;
proof (CPS) makes case plans virtually impossible to complete; women's
shelters and even 911 emergency calls used to “process” more children
into the system; directors and supervisors make false statements to
investigators; the office was guilty of numerous conflicts of interest
that violated DHR's policy for Standards of Conduct and Ethics in
Government; drug testing contractor conflicts and manipulation
criticized by clients, lawyers and law enforcement (federal fraud?);
monies earmarked for “Prevent Unnecessary Placement” funds (typically
used to help people clean or repair their homes) being used to help pay
for excessive drug screening. Attorney Brian Rickman stated, “This is
DFCS' investigation Š this is what they found, and it appears to verify
virtually all of the allegations.”
I doubt that any newspaper ever published such poorly-written
gobblety-gook with endless phrases and clauses separated by
semicolons.
DFCS probe: Violations rampant
By Blake Spurney
http://www.theclaytontribune.com/articles/2006/06/08/news/news03.txt
At least it is well enough written to understand the allegations. I
see a pattern of local corruption, and some considerable stretching of
the law. It sounds like the DA will have a fair time locating and
charging those who committed wrongdoing.
And yet I see no quantification of how many children that were taken
away from healthy families. I see mention of a report that documents
some cases where kids were removed "without just cause", but that
means only that due process was not followed in those cases, not that
the kids were doing well.
A chunk of the complaint had to due with excessive drug screening, and
taking a refusal as a positive test. Well, duh - if CPS is
investigating you, don't do drugs and don't refuse tests. CPS may
have violated proper procedures, but parents don't have the right to
raise their kids in an illegal-drug-using environment. The net result
may have been some penny-ante corruption - a couple tens of thousands
of dollars for overpriced and excessive drug tests (and the
"excessive" tests were at a judge's order, improperly done by verbal
order, but still done on order and specifically against a particular
illegal drug).
But the bottom line remains unanswered: how many kids were removed
from families, and how many of them were illegitimate, such that they
would not have happened if due process had been carried out to the
fullest extent?
You claim 700 to 1. I see 742 drug screens over the course of a year,
some done multiple times on the same person. I see 28 or 38 children
in a month called a record (how odd to have someone call a number a
"record" but not know whether it was 28 or 38.
But let us say that 38 kids were removed from families in that county
every month for a year. That would be 456 kids. You would have me
believe that at most ONE of those families had a parent who was
actually using drugs, or maintaining an unfit habitat, or guilty of
child abuse, and all the rest were perfectly innocent and perfect
law-abiding parents.
*****.
And no evidence that kids were being sold for the state to make money,
either. Indeed, CPS was dipping into other funds to pay for doing
paperwork, and for respite care because there weren't enough foster
homes. The drug-test contractor may have made some money of the
petty-corruption sort by overpricing - a couple tens of thousands of
dollars - a fraction of the cost of even one social worker's salary.
I don't approve of rogue bureaucracies, but this is only cause for
better oversight, not for significant changes in CPS policies.
Your Definitely on a Roll, Bob
The overly used excuse that CPS is “short staffed, over burdened with
heavy caseloads, and doesn't have enough funding” is an affront to human
dignity and decency.
So? Maybe we need to hike taxes in order to pay for the job to be
done better.
Maybe we should just Stop CPS from destroying Good families
I'm still waiting for all these "good families" that are being
destroyed. That news article didn't name a single one. It identified
overzealous drug-law enforcement to get kids out of homes where drug
use was suspected.
[ please
note the word GOOD! families as opposed to Bad families.]
and selling their children into Slavery!
Oh, Puhleeze.
then forcing what's left of their family into bankruptcie..
Over a kitchen sink with a few dirty Dishes..
You mean over failed drug tests.
Richard Wexler, executive director of the National Coalition of Child
Protection Reform,
Now there is an unbiased observer. Not!
<Snip>
Richard Wexler is, indeed, biased. He is biased by his close personal
examination of hundreds of cases. He is biased by his strong belief that
WE, the people, in our rush to save the chilluns, are KILLING them.
He is biased by FACTS. IF you have marginal reading and observation
ability, and you investigate a few of those families who are screaming
that they were falsely accused and stripped of their children, you will
discover at LEAST 50% of those children WERE stolen, not saved, and that
at least 50% of those children "suffered" mild neglect in their own
homes,
Oh, really? I thought you said that there were 700 kids being raised
in perfect homes for every child being raised in somewhat less perfect
conditions. Now you say that half the kids suffered "mild neglect".
easily remedied by HELP,
If they wait to seek help until CPS is called in, they probably waited
too long.
but in FOSTER Care they found REAL Abuse.
Not all abused foster children die. Most of them just grow up with
psychological damage that they cannot overcome, and many grow up with
sexual abuse tucked away in their psyche somewhere, forever terrified of
revealing it.
Grow up. Your overblown rhetoric isn't convincing anyone. Let's see
real numbers supported by evidence.
Facts that you AZ taxpayers should realize..
I'm not in AZ - you are broadcasting to the whole world. And the
newspaper article you cited was from Georgia and hence says nothing at
all about AZ.
I can't believe a population so completely under siege is so totally
unaware of it.
Maybe the population is more aware than you think.
People now fear calling 911;
They do? Only if they've done something wrong. I wouldn't be afraid
to.
isn't it amazing that in 90 percent of the cases where people lose
their children to CPS, No criminal charges are ever filed, not one!
You keep throwing around numbers without any reputable cites. I don't
believe you.
If one needs to go into a shelter, then it is already questionable
whether one is capable of taking care of a child.
So we finally being POOR a crime?
No, but it may mean being unfit to parent.
One shouldn;t bring a kid into the world unless one has some
reasonable likelihood of being able to support that kid.
calling authorities when their spouse is abusing their child.
What are they afraid of? That the government might protect the child
from the spouse by removing it from the abusive home? A parent who
would not call authorities in such a situation should not be a parent.
Most of the children in foster care right now, were removed from their
home for ( Minor neglect) ( if left in a messy home they might get Sick.)
I don't believe you. Provide a reputable source.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/stats_research/afcars/tar/report10.htm
520,000 kids in foster care. About a quarter of them placed with
relatives. Half with a case goal of reunification. 180,000 kids
reunified with their families or with a relative every year
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cwo03/chapters/chaptertwo2003.htm
An average 7% of kids that were victims of maltreatment becoming
victims again within 6 months. The average percentage for foster
parents, 0.44%. Arizona does a better job that most states - about 3%
and 0.1% for recurring maltreatment and foster care maltreatment.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/stats_research/afcars/sec11gb/trends.htm#child
<Of child victims in 1998, almost 54 percent experienced neglect, while
< 23 percent were physically abused. Almost 12 percent were sexual
< abuse victims, 6 percent had been psychologically abused, and about 2
< percent had suffered from medical neglect. Other forms of
< maltreatment were found for 25 percent of child victims in 1998, with
< some children falling into more than one of these categories.
< According to NCANDS data, the number of children who died in 1998 as
< a result of substantiated abuse or neglect was about 1,100, which was
< virtually unchanged from 1997 and 1996, although below the peak of
< 1,240 in 1994. However, in 1995, the U.S. Advisory Board on Child
< Abuse and Neglect estimated that 2,000 children under age 18 are
< actually killed by parents or caretakers each year, and suggested
< that this might be a low estimate (U.S. Advisory Board, 1995).
23% physical abuse and 12% sexual abuse. You call these "good
families"? 700 good families for every one bad one?
<From a survey of women who gave birth during 1992-93, the National
< Institute on Drug Abuse estimated that 221,000 women who gave birth
< during that period used illegal drugs while pregnant (5.5 percent of
< a total of 4 million women).
221,000 babies born to druggies in one year. That alone would account
for more than 3/4 of the cases that CPS handles. If you think that a
mother who uses drugs while pregnant is a good mother, I feel sorry
for you.
<For children with substantiated reports of abuse or neglect, DHHS
< found that substance abuse is a factor in between one-third and
< two-thirds of cases, and is a factor in two-thirds of the cases of
< children in foster care.
700 good families for every one bad one, you claim? Doesn't look like
it.
Instead of physical abuse, or do you consider a few dishes in the
kitchen sink or too many socks on the children's bedroom floor to be
dangerous?
Illegal drugs in the house is dangerous. Drugs in mommy during
pregnancy is extremely dangerous.
“Confidentiality” or secret agreements appear to be the government's
excuse for its continued impotence in protecting America's liberty
interests. FYI: CPS is under the auspices of Homeland Security!
CPS is a state level agency. Homeland Security is a national cabinet
department.
BTW, national involvement in CPS is through Health and Human Services,
who also handle welfare.
CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES is, and if you take the time to research it
you will find most of our politicians are technically guilty of "Treason
against United States"
The Constitution specifically identifies what it takes to be guilty of
treason. One cannot be merely "technically guilty" - if you can't
follow due process, you have no case.
by knowingly allowing CPS to violate the
Constitutionally Guaranteed Freedoms and Civil rights of thousands of
Americans
Alas, you haven't provided evidence of "thousands".
Where are the people of valor?
They are standing up against your nonsense.
Wrong, they are standing up against a 30-year-old mistaken that needs to
be fixed, and badly SO!.
Are you 30 years old? And a mistake? What - a broken condom?
CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NSA/CIA
WIRETAPING PROGRAM.
And you know how many civil rights are violated daily by the NSA/CIA
using what clearance?
The NSA recently told Congress it may have been as many as 5000 people
who had their Civil rights violated, which makes them amateurs compared
to CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES...
You believe NSA, but you don't believe CPS?
P.S. don't take my word for it Bob or anyone's, researcher it for
yourself...
I just did. The data doesn't seem to support you in the least.
lojbab
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
fx <fx@starband.net> wrote:
Arizona Senate Bill 1430 ...
It was defeated by one vote!
Sounds like the elected representatives of "we the people" don't buy
your arguments.
some which are currently under investigation for conflict of interest
they own stock in companies that supplies services to CPS/DES..
So? They elected and reelected Bush, too.
NO! Janet Napolitano it's been a disaster for the arizona's children...
Death Watch
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2006-12-14/news/death-watch/
The latest report on child fatalities is in — and it's even worse than
you thought...
But this country is still governed by "we the people" and their
elected representatives, for all their sins, don't agree with you.
NO, you don't agree with me, but that's OK, I love a good debate...
former Maine (CPS)
Supervisor Pat Moore. She was concerned about two children being adopted
out to a known felon
How many children are born to "known felon"s and not taken away at
birth?
How many children are born to mothers who are not felons and have no
criminal history, only to have their children taken at birth (stolen)
and sold to the highest bidder to the State because they have a CPS
record? ( dirty dishes, clothing on the floor, too a small house.)
Remember! we are not talking about criminals or child abusers.
I dunno. You are the one who claims to do research. Alas, you are
lacking with legitimate citations, as opposed to talk-show hosts.
I don't know what felony he was charged with either, but I do know Pat
Moore consider it serious enough to lose her career CPS with over..
Also alas, I am an adoptive parent, albeit of foreign children, and
thus have a little awareness of the adoption "market". Unfortunately
for you that awareness does not include any examples of baby-selling
by the state or anyone else.
here are a couple of examples, but there are hundreds more...
Ted Gunderson (http://www.TedGunderson.com) FBI Senior Special Agent In
Charge Los Angeles CA, (Ret)
Speech to Congressional Hearing on Child Protection
Ted Gunderson : in regards to Child Protective Services in some areas
and some states, I have been told by a reliable source, that a planeload
of 210 children from CPS was flown out of Denver, Colorado on November
6, 1997 to Paris, France.
Later a second plane of children also under the care of CPS was flown
from Los Angeles to Europe.
[CHILD SEX TRADE INDUSTRY]
I have also developed information through credible and reliable sources
that in the past, children have been taken from Foster Homes,
orphanages, and Boys Town Nebraska, and flown by private jets from Sioux
City Iowa to Washington D.C. for sex orgies with politicians.
http://educate-yourself.org/tg/childprotectionspeech13mar04.shtml
and
Conspiracy of Silence: The Franklin Case Video.
Children From Foster Homes Used as Sex Slaves by Powerful Politicians
and Others.
http://www.franklincase.org/media.htm
it should say Republican politicians. :)
P.S. I hope you have a strong stomach, it's truly disturbing...
What specifically was the felony? Had the sentence been served?
No answers I notice.
Screaming won't win her support.
of course it will..
You have an odd idea of how to sway public opinion. Or maybe you
think that screaming in court will sway the judge?
No, But screaming in the town square will...
June 8, 2006, Clayton Tribune “DFCS probe: Violations Rampant” by Blake
Spurney, “Stories of overzealous Department of Family and Children
Services employees prowling for referrals and using people's children as
tools of extortion were true, according to the Georgia Department of
Human Resources investigative report.” It states: caseworkers receive
retaliation and suspension for reporting questionable practices to the
state - evidence being shredded; deputies sent to pick up children from
schools with no directives and no court orders; former sheriff's DFCS
liaison bragging she broke the record by picking up 28 to 38 children;
proof (CPS) makes case plans virtually impossible to complete; women's
shelters and even 911 emergency calls used to “process” more children
into the system; directors and supervisors make false statements to
investigators; the office was guilty of numerous conflicts of interest
that violated DHR's policy for Standards of Conduct and Ethics in
Government; drug testing contractor conflicts and manipulation
criticized by clients, lawyers and law enforcement (federal fraud?);
monies earmarked for “Prevent Unnecessary Placement” funds (typically
used to help people clean or repair their homes) being used to help pay
for excessive drug screening. Attorney Brian Rickman stated, “This is
DFCS' investigation Š this is what they found, and it appears to verify
virtually all of the allegations.”
I doubt that any newspaper ever published such poorly-written
gobblety-gook with endless phrases and clauses separated by
semicolons.
DFCS probe: Violations rampant
By Blake Spurney
http://www.theclaytontribune.com/articles/2006/06/08/news/news03.txt
At least it is well enough written to understand the allegations. I
see a pattern of local corruption, and some considerable stretching of
the law. It sounds like the DA will have a fair time locating and
charging those who committed wrongdoing.
Unfortunately that pattern is just about nationwide and getting worse.
And yet I see no quantification of how many children that were taken
away from healthy families. I see mention of a report that documents
some cases where kids were removed "without just cause", but that
means only that due process was not followed in those cases, not that
the kids were doing well.
A chunk of the complaint had to due with excessive drug screening, and
taking a refusal as a positive test. Well, duh - if CPS is
investigating you, don't do drugs and don't refuse tests. CPS may
have violated proper procedures, but parents don't have the right to
raise their kids in an illegal-drug-using environment. The net result
may have been some penny-ante corruption - a couple tens of thousands
of dollars for overpriced and excessive drug tests (and the
"excessive" tests were at a judge's order, improperly done by verbal
order, but still done on order and specifically against a particular
illegal drug).
But the bottom line remains unanswered: how many kids were removed
from families, and how many of them were illegitimate, such that they
would not have happened if due process had been carried out to the
fullest extent?
You claim 700 to 1.
NO, Montel Williams Did, remember? Bob.
Montel Williams, recently aired “For the Love of a Child” for the second
time. He stated that for the one child that is actually being abused,
CPS is destroying 700 families in the process.
I just assuming that these were good families, I don't think he would
have commented about bad families...
I see 742 drug screens over the course of a year,
some done multiple times on the same person. I see 28 or 38 children
in a month called a record (how odd to have someone call a number a
"record" but not know whether it was 28 or 38.
But let us say that 38 kids were removed from families in that county
every month for a year. That would be 456 kids. You would have me
believe that at most ONE of those families had a parent who was
actually using drugs, or maintaining an unfit habitat, or guilty of
child abuse, and all the rest were perfectly innocent and perfect
law-abiding parents.
*****.
And no evidence that kids were being sold for the state to make money,
either. Indeed, CPS was dipping into other funds to pay for doing
paperwork, and for respite care because there weren't enough foster
homes. The drug-test contractor may have made some money of the
petty-corruption sort by overpricing - a couple tens of thousands of
dollars - a fraction of the cost of even one social worker's salary.
I don't approve of rogue bureaucracies, but this is only cause for
better oversight, not for significant changes in CPS policies.
Your Definitely on a Roll, Bob
The overly used excuse that CPS is “short staffed, over burdened with
heavy caseloads, and doesn't have enough funding” is an affront to human
dignity and decency.
So? Maybe we need to hike taxes in order to pay for the job to be
done better.
Maybe we should just Stop CPS from destroying Good families
I'm still waiting for all these "good families" that are being
destroyed. That news article didn't name a single one. It identified
overzealous drug-law enforcement to get kids out of homes where drug
use was suspected.
[ please
note the word GOOD! families as opposed to Bad families.]
and selling their children into Slavery!
Oh, Puhleeze.
then forcing what's left of their family into bankruptcie..
Over a kitchen sink with a few dirty Dishes..
You mean over failed drug tests.
NO! Dirty Dishes, Bob, dirty Dishes!
Richard Wexler, executive director of the National Coalition of Child
Protection Reform,
Now there is an unbiased observer. Not!
<Snip>
Richard Wexler is, indeed, biased. He is biased by his close personal
examination of hundreds of cases. He is biased by his strong belief that
WE, the people, in our rush to save the chilluns, are KILLING them.
He is biased by FACTS. IF you have marginal reading and observation
ability, and you investigate a few of those families who are screaming
that they were falsely accused and stripped of their children, you will
discover at LEAST 50% of those children WERE stolen, not saved, and that
at least 50% of those children "suffered" mild neglect in their own
homes,
Hay! where is the rest of my <snip>
wait I found It..
easily remedied by HELP, but in FOSTER Care they found REAL Abuse. Not
all abused foster children die. Most of them just grow up with
psychological damage that they cannot overcome, and many grow up with
sexual abuse tucked away in their psyche somewhere, forever terrified of
revealing it. It's a self-sustaining BUSINESS, this child protection
agenda. Those former foster children,when THEIR kids are reported as
neglected, are PRESUMED to be bad parents if they admit having been a
foster child. Evidently Arizona KNOWS that the state can't raise a child
to be a good parent.
Facts that you AZ taxpayers should realize.. DES gets more money every
time they ask. Sure, legislators balk and posture, but in the end, they
give in. DES NEVER has to account for the money, just has to point to
the most recent dead child who SHOULD have been removed, and cry, "We
just don't ahve the money for the staff, we're over worked, METH is
creating more cases, " or whatever the excuse of the day is, and the
public, who never wants to confront this problem, throws a few more
bucks at it, pats themselves on the back that they helped the poor, and
forgets it. Then it's back to business as usual. SAY you checked on the
kids in taht foster home, who cares anyway? They are legal orphans, no
one will miss them if they disappear. They are LOST children, lost in
YOUR state system, destroyed with YOUR money and YOUR apathy.
IT is time that AZ got a grip. Your children are being stolen for MONEY.
There is a huge federal payment in the theft and termination of rights,
and another large one in the adoptions.
Arizona has one of the worst track records in the country for HONESTLY
protecting endangered kids. WHY? because the investigators have no clue
HOW to investigate, and the machinery is so clogged with messy house
cases, in cases where HELP was needed, destruction came from your tax
dollar instead. When a truly abused child is reported, its a crap shoot.
Regardless of the needs of the child and family, the fact is that DES
will probably miss the mark. That could be made right,if only some
EDUCATED public opinions would start to emerge.
Foster care review? You mean the people who think that social workers
are always right? That they never lie, so their reports are reliable?
Foster care review is only as valid as the information given to review.
Same for judicial determinations. Sadly, with the dregs being appointed
for attorneys, the court and the foster care review board RARELY hear
the facts. You only get the justice you can afford to PAY for. These
officials don't get the whole story, they only the talking points.
You have to talk to the FAMILY to get the real picture. And no, they are
NOT all perfect. But compared to being raped and shuffled from one home
to the next, where NO one really cares, living in poverty isn't so bad.
Maybe we might spend a few bucks to HELP them instead of destroying what
good they have in their lives. No one ever wants to hear THE FAMILIES,
they just want to hang onto their prejudices and sleep well. IF you
really looked closer, you would lose some sleep... trust me.
Wexler is 100% right. And it will STAY that way until the court of
public opinion wakes up. That won't happen til some Senator's grandchild
is taken into DES custody.
I can't believe a population so completely under siege is so totally
unaware of it.<Snip>
Sorry about the <Snip> Bob
it's from By Christine K. of (COFRAI)
I just had to cut and paste it.
Oh, really? I thought you said that there were 700 kids being raised
in perfect homes for every child being raised in somewhat less perfect
conditions. Now you say that half the kids suffered "mild neglect".
easily remedied by HELP,
If they wait to seek help until CPS is called in, they probably waited
too long.
but in FOSTER Care they found REAL Abuse.
Not all abused foster children die. Most of them just grow up with
psychological damage that they cannot overcome, and many grow up with
sexual abuse tucked away in their psyche somewhere, forever terrified of
revealing it.
Grow up. Your overblown rhetoric isn't convincing anyone. Let's see
real numbers supported by evidence.
Facts that you AZ taxpayers should realize..
I'm not in AZ - you are broadcasting to the whole world. And the
newspaper article you cited was from Georgia and hence says nothing at
all about AZ.
I can't believe a population so completely under siege is so totally
unaware of it.
Maybe the population is more aware than you think.
People now fear calling 911;
They do? Only if they've done something wrong. I wouldn't be afraid
to.
isn't it amazing that in 90 percent of the cases where people lose
their children to CPS, No criminal charges are ever filed, not one!
You keep throwing around numbers without any reputable cites. I don't
believe you.
If one needs to go into a shelter, then it is already questionable
whether one is capable of taking care of a child.
So we finally being POOR a crime?
No, but it may mean being unfit to parent.
One shouldn;t bring a kid into the world unless one has some
reasonable likelihood of being able to support that kid.
calling authorities when their spouse is abusing their child.
What are they afraid of? That the government might protect the child
from the spouse by removing it from the abusive home? A parent who
would not call authorities in such a situation should not be a parent.
Most of the children in foster care right now, were removed from their
home for ( Minor neglect) ( if left in a messy home they might get Sick.)
I don't believe you. Provide a reputable source.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm05/chapterthree.htm#mal
During FFY 2005, 62.8 percent of victims experienced neglect, 16.6
percent were physically abused, 9.3 percent were sexually abused, 7.1
percent were psychologically maltreated, and 2.0 percent were medically
neglected.7 In addition, 14.3 percent of victims experienced such
"other" types of maltreatment as "abandonment," "threats of harm to the
child," or "congenital drug addiction." States may code any condition
that does not fall into one of the main categories—physical abuse,
neglect, medical neglect, sexual abuse, and psychological or emotional
maltreatment—as "other." These maltreatment type percentages total more
than 100 percent because children who were victims of more than one type
of maltreatment were counted for each maltreatment.
The data for victims of specific types of maltreatment were analyzed in
terms of the report sources. Of victims of physical abuse, 24.3 percent
were reported by teachers, 23.0 percent were reported by police officers
or lawyers, and 11.6 percent were reported by medical staff.8 Overall,
74.8 percent were reported by professionals and 25.2 percent were
reported by nonprofessionals. The patterns of reporting of neglect and
sexual abuse victims were similar—police officers or lawyers accounted
for the largest report source percentage of neglect victims (26.6%) and
the largest percentage of sexual abuse victims (28.3%).
Strange drug addiction or threats of harm to the child accounts for only
14.3 percent?
where are all these Terrible drug addict parents CPS keeps blaming
everything on?
actually this is the report that really troubles me!
Maltreatment in Foster Care
Through the CFSR, the Children's Bureau established a national standard
for the incidence of child abuse or neglect in foster care as 99.68
percent, defined as:
"Absence of Maltreatment in Foster Care. Of all children in foster care
during the reporting period, what percent were not victims of a
substantiated or indicated maltreatment by foster parents or facility
staff members?"20
The number of States in compliance has decreased from 16 States that met
this standard for FFY 2004 to 15 States for FFY 2005.21 During FFY 2005,
9 States were unable to provide the data needed to compute this measure
using the Child File.
child abuse or neglect in foster care as 99.68 percent, Bob, Bob?
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm05/chapterthree.htm#mal
this is the government's own statistics. BOB? still here?
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/stats_research/afcars/tar/report10.htm
520,000 kids in foster care. About a quarter of them placed with
relatives. Half with a case goal of reunification. 180,000 kids
reunified with their families or with a relative every year
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cwo03/chapters/chaptertwo2003.htm
An average 7% of kids that were victims of maltreatment becoming
victims again within 6 months. The average percentage for foster
parents, 0.44%.
Arizona does a better job that most states - about 3%
and 0.1% for recurring maltreatment and foster care maltreatment.
The latest report on child fatalities is in — and it's even worse than
you thought...
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2006-12-14/news/death-watch/
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/stats_research/afcars/sec11gb/trends.htm#child
<Of child victims in 1998, almost 54 percent experienced neglect, while
< 23 percent were physically abused. Almost 12 percent were sexual
< abuse victims, 6 percent had been psychologically abused, and about 2
< percent had suffered from medical neglect. Other forms of
< maltreatment were found for 25 percent of child victims in 1998, with
< some children falling into more than one of these categories.
< According to NCANDS data, the number of children who died in 1998 as
< a result of substantiated abuse or neglect was about 1,100, which was
< virtually unchanged from 1997 and 1996, although below the peak of
< 1,240 in 1994. However, in 1995, the U.S. Advisory Board on Child
< Abuse and Neglect estimated that 2,000 children under age 18 are
< actually killed by parents or caretakers each year, and suggested
< that this might be a low estimate (U.S. Advisory Board, 1995).
23% physical abuse and 12% sexual abuse. You call these "good
families"? 700 good families for every one bad one?
<From a survey of women who gave birth during 1992-93, the National
< Institute on Drug Abuse estimated that 221,000 women who gave birth
< during that period used illegal drugs while pregnant (5.5 percent of
< a total of 4 million women).
221,000 babies born to druggies in one year. That alone would account
for more than 3/4 of the cases that CPS handles. If you think that a
mother who uses drugs while pregnant is a good mother, I feel sorry
for you.
<For children with substantiated reports of abuse or neglect, DHHS
< found that substance abuse is a factor in between one-third and
< two-thirds of cases, and is a factor in two-thirds of the cases of
< children in foster care.
700 good families for every one bad one, you claim? Doesn't look like
it.
Instead of physical abuse, or do you consider a few dishes in the
kitchen sink or too many socks on the children's bedroom floor to be
dangerous?
Illegal drugs in the house is dangerous. Drugs in mommy during
pregnancy is extremely dangerous.
“Confidentiality” or secret agreements appear to be the
government's
excuse for its continued impotence in protecting America's liberty
interests. FYI: CPS is under the auspices of Homeland Security!
CPS is a state level agency. Homeland Security is a national cabinet
department.
BTW, national involvement in CPS is through Health and Human Services,
who also handle welfare.
CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES is, and if you take the time to research it
you will find most of our politicians are technically guilty of
"Treason
against United States"
The Constitution specifically identifies what it takes to be guilty of
treason. One cannot be merely "technically guilty" - if you can't
follow due process, you have no case.
by knowingly allowing CPS to violate the
Constitutionally Guaranteed Freedoms and Civil rights of thousands of
Americans
Alas, you haven't provided evidence of "thousands".
Where are the people of valor?
They are standing up against your nonsense.
Wrong, they are standing up against a 30-year-old mistaken that needs
to be fixed, and badly SO!.
Are you 30 years old? And a mistake? What - a broken condom?
actually no I am 51, and the mistake is "CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES"
CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NSA/CIA
WIRETAPING PROGRAM.
And you know how many civil rights are violated daily by the NSA/CIA
using what clearance?
The NSA recently told Congress it may have been as many as 5000 people
who had their Civil rights violated, which makes them amateurs
compared to CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES...
You believe NSA, but you don't believe CPS?
P.S. don't take my word for it Bob or anyone's, researcher it for
yourself...
I just did. The data doesn't seem to support you in the least.
lojbab
All five minutes of research? Bob, I'm honored! Fx
CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NSA/CIA
WIRETAPING PROGRAM....
BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEIR
"FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...
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fx <fx@starband.net> wrote:
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2006-12-14/news/death-watch/
The latest report on child fatalities is in — and it's even worse than
you thought...
It is? And you knew what I thought because?
Here is the actual report, BTW. Why trust a news article. Get the
original information next time.
http://www.azdhs.gov/phs/owch/pdf/cfr2006.pdf
Bottom line:
50 kids died of mistreatment.
14 died with CPS cases open.
9 died in foster care. It is not made clear how many of those 9 were
among the 14, as opposed to cases where parental rights had been
terminated. At least 5 cases, however, were cases where CPS would
have protected the kid better by removing him from his parents.
CPS can do better. Why did 36 kids die without CPS cases open? CPS
had at least 36 cases too few open.
But this country is still governed by "we the people" and their
elected representatives, for all their sins, don't agree with you.
NO, you don't agree with me, but that's OK, I love a good debate...
Too bad you cannot manage one. You know, with useful facts and not
innuendo and screaming all-caps crap at the end of your posts.
I dunno. You are the one who claims to do research. Alas, you are
lacking with legitimate citations, as opposed to talk-show hosts.
I don't know what felony he was charged with either, but I do know Pat
Moore consider it serious enough to lose her career CPS with over..
Take a hint. There are a lot more reasons than it being a serious
problem that could cause her to "lose her career" over it. She may
have been planning to leave anyway (go back to school, maternity
leave). She may have pissed her boss off and knew that she had no
future there anyway. She may have been pissed at her boss over some
personal matter, and decided to leave and take it out on him.
Some whistle-blowers are legit. She might even be legit. Relying on
an incomplete factoid as you did tells nothing about whether she is.
Bring it up when you had no detailed facts just embarrassed you. You
just look like you wander the Internet looking for horror stories, and
with no critical thinking whatsoever, collect them for use in what is
obviously some sort of personal grudge match between you and AZ CPS.
Why do I suspect that you lost a battle, and maybe a child, and you
can't accept the possibility that the kid might be better off
somewhere else?
Also alas, I am an adoptive parent, albeit of foreign children, and
thus have a little awareness of the adoption "market". Unfortunately
for you that awareness does not include any examples of baby-selling
by the state or anyone else.
here are a couple of examples, but there are hundreds more...
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