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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Sound of Trumpet"
Date: 27 Nov 2007 05:43:43 PM
Object: "Childfree Movement": Liberal Selfishness Incarnate
http://nfpworks.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/childfree-selfishness-incarnate-or-=
saavy-living/
"Childfree": Selfishness Incarnate or Saavy Living?
October 9, 2007 at 11:22 pm (Cognitive Dissonance)
Have you heard of the "Childfree" movement?
That's right. The cultural fallacy that children are burdens, animals
are environmentally friendly "kids" and no parenting is better than
bad parenting has an official meeting place. Quite literally, their
whole mission is to throw (jettison is probably a better word) the
baby out with the bathwater!
Summary: the Childfree movement is made up of people who can't have
kids or don't want kids (for various reasons), and are tired of a
cultural stigma for being sterile and/ or childless. Hence, they're
not child-less-they're childfree! Weeee!!! Now doesn't a sterilized
population sound fun?
Actually, no. This hurts my heart, soul, mind and body more than I can
really say. It's evil organized and incarnate at worst, and cognitive
dissonance at best. I mean really, do these people hate themselves,
because it seems to me that unless they were dropped from another
planet, they themselves were children once, and oops-thank you to the
"fertility idolaters" that were their parents!
The society members site various and sundry, but radically fatuous,
reasons for their choice to embrace sterility: bad parenting,
overpopulation, environmental and economic concerns related to the
formers, but the most honest reason is plain old devoted narcissism.
I cannot possibly address this narcissistic fundamentalism in one
post, but let me start with one thing: overpopulation. Overpopulation
is so pass=E9. De-population is the new overpopulation. It's the new
crisis. And hello! It's not all that new. Just because Oprah hasn't
done a show on it, Sheryl Crow hasn't sung about it, and the Economist
only just got it in the news doesn't mean it's a passing worry.
Depopulation is at crisis levels in Western Europe and even China-the-
vast is foreseeing the crippling wound of sterility that will effect
their economy disastrously.
This isn't just the rally cry of fertility fanatics, either, but now
is the intellectual clarion cry of the demographer, the doomsday
prophecy of the secular uber-intellectual. Take, for example, Andrew
Pollard. He's the director of EMP Intelligence Service, a UK based
Competitive Intelligence consultancy which focuses on, among other
things, population trends. He gave a talk at the Pro Life Action
League's 2006 Conference, "Contraception is Not the Answer." Let me
tell you, I was sure the overpopulation myth had run it's course, but
listening to his talk compelled me that not only is overpopulation a
fallacy, but depopulation is a crisis of epic proportions, the likes
of which we have never seen.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 18 Dec 2007 12:24:48 PM
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:13:31 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:49:52 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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I'm much more strict about the line between people food and dog food.
If nothing else, it's just not good for them to get into the people
food. Plenty of our stuff is just not suited for dogs. Ice cream for
example. Wanna see blorch all over your carpet? Let a dog have ice
cream.


Blech. The other day she threw up something that looked like a
chewed-up piece of wood. Thank goodness for old shitty carpeting


Yeah well, this morning we had a lesson in "dog's have limited
vocabulary" over here. It was my damn fault so I couldn't get mad at
him. I mean, I knew Blaze wanted to go out but he'd been out just a
couple of hours before so I was, "Just let me finish this okay?"


Oh dear. Fatal last words!

Tell me about it.

All these years of being around dogs, I shouldn't have to be reminded
that they don't have much of a way of indicating the difference
between, "I wanna go out" and "If you don't get off your butt right
now, it's gonna drop on the floor as I walk!"

And it did. From the door of the office to the front door was a trail.
By the time I let him out, it was kinda pointless.


SNORT! Been there, done that!

And as I said, it was my own damn fault. So I paid for it with an hour
or two of penance with the Hoover SteamVac...


Oh dear.

I usually grab my coat and THEN let Ginger out of her crate and into the
back yard first thing in the a.m. This morning, I let her out of her
crate FIRST and then went to the front hallway to get my coat. Turned
around to catch her piddling on the carpet in the living room! Ding
dang it! Couldn't she have waited just a couple of seconds?!?

Mm... at her age, maybe not.
Very young puppies are literally unable to "hold it". She's older but
still young. She may have been right at the bursting point. <g>

(And I'm having a back problem right now. Next time he so much as
glances at the door, I'm opening the damn thing!)


Wise move, grasshoppa.....

Blaze is good about letting me know. I just didn't think he could
possibly need to go *that* bad since he'd been out maybe two hours
before. But, well, biology isn't clockwork...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
Why does the Vatican have lightning rods?
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 18 Dec 2007 05:00:48 PM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:gsfl35-vr.ln1@eac.exists.not...

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:13:31 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

snip

I usually grab my coat and THEN let Ginger out of her crate and into the
back yard first thing in the a.m. This morning, I let her out of her
crate FIRST and then went to the front hallway to get my coat. Turned
around to catch her piddling on the carpet in the living room! Ding
dang it! Couldn't she have waited just a couple of seconds?!?


Mm... at her age, maybe not.

Very young puppies are literally unable to "hold it". She's older but
still young. She may have been right at the bursting point. <g>

Well, true, but didn't she know I was just about to take her outside? I
mean, it's not like we don't do the same thing at the same time every damn
morning.

(And I'm having a back problem right now. Next time he so much as
glances at the door, I'm opening the damn thing!)


Wise move, grasshoppa.....


Blaze is good about letting me know. I just didn't think he could
possibly need to go *that* bad since he'd been out maybe two hours
before. But, well, biology isn't clockwork...

So I've noticed ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 19 Dec 2007 08:58:32 AM
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:00:48 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:gsfl35-vr.ln1@eac.exists.not...

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:13:31 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:


snip

I usually grab my coat and THEN let Ginger out of her crate and into
the back yard first thing in the a.m. This morning, I let her out of
her crate FIRST and then went to the front hallway to get my coat.
Turned around to catch her piddling on the carpet in the living room!
Ding dang it! Couldn't she have waited just a couple of seconds?!?


Mm... at her age, maybe not.

Very young puppies are literally unable to "hold it". She's older but
still young. She may have been right at the bursting point. <g>


Well, true, but didn't she know I was just about to take her outside? I
mean, it's not like we don't do the same thing at the same time every
damn morning.

Heh. And what's that often repeated line of parents? "Didn't I tell you
to go before we left???"
She'll get better at waiting as she gets older. I take it you let her out
before bed? She's young still but she'll figure out, "better go now so
I'm not ready to burst in the morning".
We don't have that problem here and haven't in years. Unless *I* get
stupid like yesterday. Still irritated at myself about that. My back is
killing me so I ended up having to lug the steam vac around. Wheeee!
Speak of the devil, I just got a nose bump.
Crazy Blaze. When he wants attention, he'll come up next to me at the
computer and bump his nose against me. Won't leave me alone until I pet
him either.

(And I'm having a back problem right now. Next time he so much as
glances at the door, I'm opening the damn thing!)


Wise move, grasshoppa.....


Blaze is good about letting me know. I just didn't think he could
possibly need to go *that* bad since he'd been out maybe two hours
before. But, well, biology isn't clockwork...


So I've noticed ;)

I suspect it's also part of aging. He's no old fart hobbling around but
he's getting up there. Drives me *nuts* at night. He just has to get on
the foot of the bed but then it's shift, wiggle, jerk, shift, wiggle...
and if he ever gets settled down, it's SSSSSSSNNNNNOOOOOORRRRRREEEEE.
Always ends up going to his favorite couch anyway. I wish I could tell
him, "I wouldn't be insulted if you just stayed on the couch where you
always end up going anyway".
And here comes Mister Allergy scratching like crazy. I swear, I feel like
I'm running a retirement home...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you're
told. Religion is doing what you're told, not matter what
is right."

- Jerry Sturdivant
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 19 Dec 2007 11:55:27 AM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:00:48 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:gsfl35-vr.ln1@eac.exists.not...

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:13:31 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:


snip

I usually grab my coat and THEN let Ginger out of her crate and into
the back yard first thing in the a.m. This morning, I let her out of
her crate FIRST and then went to the front hallway to get my coat.
Turned around to catch her piddling on the carpet in the living room!
Ding dang it! Couldn't she have waited just a couple of seconds?!?


Mm... at her age, maybe not.

Very young puppies are literally unable to "hold it". She's older but
still young. She may have been right at the bursting point. <g>


Well, true, but didn't she know I was just about to take her outside? I
mean, it's not like we don't do the same thing at the same time every
damn morning.


Heh. And what's that often repeated line of parents? "Didn't I tell you
to go before we left???"

She'll get better at waiting as she gets older. I take it you let her out
before bed?

Well, George is usually still up (and Ginger still out) when I go to bed, so
I'm assuming he does - but maybe not.
She's young still but she'll figure out, "better go now so

I'm not ready to burst in the morning".

We don't have that problem here and haven't in years. Unless *I* get
stupid like yesterday. Still irritated at myself about that. My back is
killing me so I ended up having to lug the steam vac around. Wheeee!

Speak of the devil, I just got a nose bump.

Crazy Blaze. When he wants attention, he'll come up next to me at the
computer and bump his nose against me. Won't leave me alone until I pet
him either.

Cute! Erin's cat just gets in front of the computer monitor and blocks your
view. Ginger sits next to you and whines - like fingernails on a
chalkboard!

(And I'm having a back problem right now. Next time he so much as
glances at the door, I'm opening the damn thing!)


Wise move, grasshoppa.....


Blaze is good about letting me know. I just didn't think he could
possibly need to go *that* bad since he'd been out maybe two hours
before. But, well, biology isn't clockwork...


So I've noticed ;)


I suspect it's also part of aging. He's no old fart hobbling around but
he's getting up there. Drives me *nuts* at night. He just has to get on
the foot of the bed but then it's shift, wiggle, jerk, shift, wiggle...
and if he ever gets settled down, it's SSSSSSSNNNNNOOOOOORRRRRREEEEE.

LOL - I'm starting to think they all snore. Ginger actually slept with us
last night. I was just starting to doze up when she jumped up on the bed.
I just said "screw it" and let her settle in. Figured George would take her
back down stairs later, but he let her stay. She started off curled up by
my legs, but ended up under the covers stretched out next to me! Pretty
damn funny :)

Always ends up going to his favorite couch anyway. I wish I could tell
him, "I wouldn't be insulted if you just stayed on the couch where you
always end up going anyway".

And here comes Mister Allergy scratching like crazy. I swear, I feel like
I'm running a retirement home...

LOL - He's still having problems with that?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 20 Dec 2007 08:58:06 AM
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:55:27 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:o5on35-2v1.ln1@eac.exists.not...

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:00:48 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:gsfl35-vr.ln1@eac.exists.not...

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:13:31 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:


snip

I usually grab my coat and THEN let Ginger out of her crate and into
the back yard first thing in the a.m. This morning, I let her out
of her crate FIRST and then went to the front hallway to get my
coat. Turned around to catch her piddling on the carpet in the
living room! Ding dang it! Couldn't she have waited just a couple of
seconds?!?


Mm... at her age, maybe not.

Very young puppies are literally unable to "hold it". She's older but
still young. She may have been right at the bursting point. <g>


Well, true, but didn't she know I was just about to take her outside?
I mean, it's not like we don't do the same thing at the same time
every damn morning.


Heh. And what's that often repeated line of parents? "Didn't I tell you
to go before we left???"

She'll get better at waiting as she gets older. I take it you let her
out before bed?


Well, George is usually still up (and Ginger still out) when I go to
bed, so I'm assuming he does - but maybe not.

Hm... you should check. Especially since she's still just a baby. Imagine
if you had to pee in the middle of the night but the bathroom was locked
until morning.

She's young still but she'll figure out, "better go now so

I'm not ready to burst in the morning".

We don't have that problem here and haven't in years. Unless *I* get
stupid like yesterday. Still irritated at myself about that. My back is
killing me so I ended up having to lug the steam vac around. Wheeee!

Speak of the devil, I just got a nose bump.

Crazy Blaze. When he wants attention, he'll come up next to me at the
computer and bump his nose against me. Won't leave me alone until I pet
him either.


Cute! Erin's cat just gets in front of the computer monitor and blocks
your view. Ginger sits next to you and whines - like fingernails on a
chalkboard!

At least mine don't whine for attention. Mine it's more unexpected noses
popping up. Lucky'll be under the table where the computer is sitting and
all of the sudden, this nose appears. Which would be funny if he weren't
wagging that iron tail of his among all the cables!

(And I'm having a back problem right now. Next time he so much as
glances at the door, I'm opening the damn thing!)


Wise move, grasshoppa.....


Blaze is good about letting me know. I just didn't think he could
possibly need to go *that* bad since he'd been out maybe two hours
before. But, well, biology isn't clockwork...


So I've noticed ;)


I suspect it's also part of aging. He's no old fart hobbling around but
he's getting up there. Drives me *nuts* at night. He just has to get on
the foot of the bed but then it's shift, wiggle, jerk, shift, wiggle...
and if he ever gets settled down, it's SSSSSSSNNNNNOOOOOORRRRRREEEEE.


LOL - I'm starting to think they all snore.

I wonder. Learned something not long ago about dog noses. They have these
flaps in them so when they exhale, it goes out the sides. The upshot
being when they're sniffing the ground, exhaling doesn't scatter the
scent. Sounds to me like a potential for guaranteed snoring having flaps
in your nose. <g>

Ginger actually slept with
us last night. I was just starting to doze up when she jumped up on the
bed. I just said "screw it" and let her settle in. Figured George would
take her back down stairs later, but he let her stay. She started off
curled up by my legs, but ended up under the covers stretched out next
to me! Pretty damn funny :)

Always ends up going to his favorite couch anyway. I wish I could tell
him, "I wouldn't be insulted if you just stayed on the couch where you
always end up going anyway".

And here comes Mister Allergy scratching like crazy. I swear, I feel
like I'm running a retirement home...


LOL - He's still having problems with that?

Allergies are eternal. <g>
Been a mild winter so far. It'll get cold then warm right back up and be
humid as all hell. It was in the 70s yesterday. Xmas itself is supposed
to go down to all of 58.
But the allergens are getting psyched out like crazy. It's cold. It's
warm. It's cold. It's warm. The mold count is doing a yo-yo thing. I've
given up on breathing the rest of the year...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“It is one of the Christian delusions that Christianity
brought charity into the world. It did no such thing.
There were plenty of agencies for taking care of the
poor and helpless long before Christianity was heard
of, and even before Judaism. Both Christianity and
Judaism have converted charity into a sort of pious racket.”
- H. L. Mencken
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 24 Dec 2007 11:10:10 AM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:55:27 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

snip

Cute! Erin's cat just gets in front of the computer monitor and blocks
your view. Ginger sits next to you and whines - like fingernails on a
chalkboard!


At least mine don't whine for attention. Mine it's more unexpected noses
popping up. Lucky'll be under the table where the computer is sitting and
all of the sudden, this nose appears. Which would be funny if he weren't
wagging that iron tail of his among all the cables!

Oh dear. From Ginger, all I get is whining. Oy!


(And I'm having a back problem right now. Next time he so much as
glances at the door, I'm opening the damn thing!)


Wise move, grasshoppa.....


Blaze is good about letting me know. I just didn't think he could
possibly need to go *that* bad since he'd been out maybe two hours
before. But, well, biology isn't clockwork...


So I've noticed ;)


I suspect it's also part of aging. He's no old fart hobbling around but
he's getting up there. Drives me *nuts* at night. He just has to get on
the foot of the bed but then it's shift, wiggle, jerk, shift, wiggle...
and if he ever gets settled down, it's SSSSSSSNNNNNOOOOOORRRRRREEEEE.


LOL - I'm starting to think they all snore.


I wonder. Learned something not long ago about dog noses. They have these
flaps in them so when they exhale, it goes out the sides. The upshot
being when they're sniffing the ground, exhaling doesn't scatter the
scent. Sounds to me like a potential for guaranteed snoring having flaps
in your nose. <g>

I think you're right. Ginger doesn't always snore, but when she does? Holy
crap, she's loud!
snip

Allergies are eternal. <g>

That sucks :P


Been a mild winter so far. It'll get cold then warm right back up and be
humid as all hell. It was in the 70s yesterday. Xmas itself is supposed
to go down to all of 58.

It was in the late 40s here yesterday and raining all day. So much for
Erin's white Christmas. We went out to dinner with some friends of ours from
Texas last night and we drove home through the wildest fog. Wasn't very
Christmasy ;)


But the allergens are getting psyched out like crazy. It's cold. It's
warm. It's cold. It's warm. The mold count is doing a yo-yo thing. I've
given up on breathing the rest of the year...

That might be a problem ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
.






User: "Ben Kaufman"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 18 Dec 2007 09:58:30 PM
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:44:02 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:49:52 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:nstf35-qb3.ln1@eac.exists.not...

I'm much more strict about the line between people food and dog food.
If nothing else, it's just not good for them to get into the people
food. Plenty of our stuff is just not suited for dogs. Ice cream for
example. Wanna see blorch all over your carpet? Let a dog have ice
cream.


Blech. The other day she threw up something that looked like a chewed-up
piece of wood. Thank goodness for old shitty carpeting


Yeah well, this morning we had a lesson in "dog's have limited
vocabulary" over here. It was my damn fault so I couldn't get mad at him.
I mean, I knew Blaze wanted to go out but he'd been out just a couple of
hours before so I was, "Just let me finish this okay?"

All these years of being around dogs, I shouldn't have to be reminded
that they don't have much of a way of indicating the difference between,
"I wanna go out" and "If you don't get off your butt right now, it's
gonna drop on the floor as I walk!"

And it did. From the door of the office to the front door was a trail. By
the time I let him out, it was kinda pointless.

And as I said, it was my own damn fault. So I paid for it with an hour or
two of penance with the Hoover SteamVac...

(And I'm having a back problem right now. Next time he so much as glances
at the door, I'm opening the damn thing!)

When my dog really has to go she enters the room in a huff and starts rapid
fire barking.
Ben
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 19 Dec 2007 11:41:34 AM
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:58:30 -0500, Ben Kaufman wrote:

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:44:02 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:49:52 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:nstf35-qb3.ln1@eac.exists.not...

I'm much more strict about the line between people food and dog food.
If nothing else, it's just not good for them to get into the people
food. Plenty of our stuff is just not suited for dogs. Ice cream for
example. Wanna see blorch all over your carpet? Let a dog have ice
cream.


Blech. The other day she threw up something that looked like a
chewed-up piece of wood. Thank goodness for old shitty carpeting


Yeah well, this morning we had a lesson in "dog's have limited
vocabulary" over here. It was my damn fault so I couldn't get mad at
him. I mean, I knew Blaze wanted to go out but he'd been out just a
couple of hours before so I was, "Just let me finish this okay?"

All these years of being around dogs, I shouldn't have to be reminded
that they don't have much of a way of indicating the difference between,
"I wanna go out" and "If you don't get off your butt right now, it's
gonna drop on the floor as I walk!"

And it did. From the door of the office to the front door was a trail.
By the time I let him out, it was kinda pointless.

And as I said, it was my own damn fault. So I paid for it with an hour
or two of penance with the Hoover SteamVac...

(And I'm having a back problem right now. Next time he so much as
glances at the door, I'm opening the damn thing!)


When my dog really has to go she enters the room in a huff and starts
rapid fire barking.

Count yourself lucky. I have one that'll make a kind of "moaning" sound
but it's neither loud nor urgent sounding. The other doesn't make a sound
at all. His signals are absurdly subtle. Like he's being overly polite or
something ("Really don't mean to bother you...").
I could use some old fashioned scratching at the door or something around
here...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“Democracy is the theory that the common people
know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.”
- H. L. Mencken
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 19 Dec 2007 11:57:08 AM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:58:30 -0500, Ben Kaufman wrote:

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:44:02 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:49:52 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:nstf35-qb3.ln1@eac.exists.not...

I'm much more strict about the line between people food and dog food.
If nothing else, it's just not good for them to get into the people
food. Plenty of our stuff is just not suited for dogs. Ice cream for
example. Wanna see blorch all over your carpet? Let a dog have ice
cream.


Blech. The other day she threw up something that looked like a
chewed-up piece of wood. Thank goodness for old shitty carpeting


Yeah well, this morning we had a lesson in "dog's have limited
vocabulary" over here. It was my damn fault so I couldn't get mad at
him. I mean, I knew Blaze wanted to go out but he'd been out just a
couple of hours before so I was, "Just let me finish this okay?"

All these years of being around dogs, I shouldn't have to be reminded
that they don't have much of a way of indicating the difference between,
"I wanna go out" and "If you don't get off your butt right now, it's
gonna drop on the floor as I walk!"

And it did. From the door of the office to the front door was a trail.
By the time I let him out, it was kinda pointless.

And as I said, it was my own damn fault. So I paid for it with an hour
or two of penance with the Hoover SteamVac...

(And I'm having a back problem right now. Next time he so much as
glances at the door, I'm opening the damn thing!)


When my dog really has to go she enters the room in a huff and starts
rapid fire barking.


Count yourself lucky. I have one that'll make a kind of "moaning" sound
but it's neither loud nor urgent sounding. The other doesn't make a sound
at all. His signals are absurdly subtle. Like he's being overly polite or
something ("Really don't mean to bother you...").

I could use some old fashioned scratching at the door or something around
here...

I get the "stand by the entrance into the family room and whining". Hey,
whatever works.
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 19 Dec 2007 10:35:16 PM
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:57:08 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:58:30 -0500, Ben Kaufman wrote:

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:44:02 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:49:52 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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I'm much more strict about the line between people food and dog
food. If nothing else, it's just not good for them to get into the
people food. Plenty of our stuff is just not suited for dogs. Ice
cream for example. Wanna see blorch all over your carpet? Let a dog
have ice cream.


Blech. The other day she threw up something that looked like a
chewed-up piece of wood. Thank goodness for old shitty carpeting


Yeah well, this morning we had a lesson in "dog's have limited
vocabulary" over here. It was my damn fault so I couldn't get mad at
him. I mean, I knew Blaze wanted to go out but he'd been out just a
couple of hours before so I was, "Just let me finish this okay?"

All these years of being around dogs, I shouldn't have to be reminded
that they don't have much of a way of indicating the difference
between, "I wanna go out" and "If you don't get off your butt right
now, it's gonna drop on the floor as I walk!"

And it did. From the door of the office to the front door was a trail.
By the time I let him out, it was kinda pointless.

And as I said, it was my own damn fault. So I paid for it with an hour
or two of penance with the Hoover SteamVac...

(And I'm having a back problem right now. Next time he so much as
glances at the door, I'm opening the damn thing!)


When my dog really has to go she enters the room in a huff and starts
rapid fire barking.


Count yourself lucky. I have one that'll make a kind of "moaning" sound
but it's neither loud nor urgent sounding. The other doesn't make a
sound at all. His signals are absurdly subtle. Like he's being overly
polite or something ("Really don't mean to bother you...").

I could use some old fashioned scratching at the door or something
around here...


I get the "stand by the entrance into the family room and whining". Hey,
whatever works.

As I said to Ben, count yourself lucky...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“The worst government is often the most moral.
One composed of cynics is often very tolerant and humane.
But when fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression.”
- H. L. Mencken
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 20 Dec 2007 10:20:31 AM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:57:08 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message

snip

I could use some old fashioned scratching at the door or something
around here...


I get the "stand by the entrance into the family room and whining". Hey,
whatever works.


As I said to Ben, count yourself lucky...

I do!
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Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 19 Dec 2007 08:42:07 AM
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:49:52 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:23:41 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:


snip

LOL - You can say that again. We got a bit of snow yesterday and she
and Erin had a blast playing in it.


Told you she'd win you all over. <g>


Yeah, pretty much. I did a lot of yelling at her the other day too.

Well, yeah, but pets and yelling go together.
Especially when certain idiots with claws step on my bare feet!
<snip>

Oh dear. See, I could see Ginger doing that. She acts like she's
starving all the time! It's bizarre. To me, anyway.

As I think I said (I don't remember, yesterday was an aching blur and the
crazy lady was being a total ditz on the phone and I'm thinking I should
turn the cell ringer off today and "forget" it's off)...
Anyway.
I figure it's an evolutionary thing. If you're a hunter in the wild, you
eat whenever there's food since it's hard to come by. We humans do it.
That's why we have an obesity epidemic. We live in a world of easy food
now but our instincts were all honed by millions of years of having to
scrabble and grab and eek out every calorie.

I'm much more strict about the line between people food and dog food.
If nothing else, it's just not good for them to get into the people
food. Plenty of our stuff is just not suited for dogs. Ice cream for
example. Wanna see blorch all over your carpet? Let a dog have ice
cream.


Blech. The other day she threw up something that looked like a chewed-up
piece of wood. Thank goodness for old shitty carpeting :P

May have been. When Lucky was much younger, I had to keep 2x4s away from
him. Maybe they tasted good?
This is how I discovered Kong toys. Trying to find him something he could
chew all he wanted that would last more than five minutes.

(They actually make a frozen dog treat called "Frosty Paws" that I've
been known to pick up once in a great while during summer when it's
hot. But human ice cream will make a dog *sick*.)


Duly noted!

Dogs are fun. They don't do the cat thing of "feed me and go away." <g>


Neither does my cat! Or Erin's cat - You know what I mean ;)

Oh I know. I've had cats like that back when I was young. Rescued one
once that turned out to be the sweetest, most affectionate, gentle cats
I've ever known. She was killed by some critter or other. I don't think
she even knew she *had* claws. That was back when we lived on a six acre
lot and whatever cats were around at the time stayed outside during
school (etc.). Which was usually what they wanted. I mean six acres of
woods that's fenced so the neighbors' dogs can't get in. It was cat
heaven. <g>
I don't know *what* got to her. We also had dogs and they would have
taken exception to an intruding critter. Whatever it was, I figure she
didn't fight back. Looked like she'd been trying to get to a tree.
That one upset me. She was an unusual cat.

Even my old guys were hyper this morning after potty time. Ran one end
of the house to the other for a while. Not very long, though. Not
anymore. But Blaze is pushing nine now and for his size, he's getting
up there in years. Still gets in really playful moods but they don't
last like they used to. He ran around like a maniac for a while but it
wasn't ten minutes before he was curled up on my bed. <g>


Too bad you don't have the snow and ice I do. Thankfully, Ginger loves
it. Though it was hilarious to see her slide right across the backyard
when she ran out there this morning.

Or in our case, good thing we don't have it. We're all aging over here.
I've had a back problem (or sciatic nerve considering the way it's been
acting) for three days now. Lucky's starting to have trouble with steps.
And Blaze is getting to where he sleeps a *lot* (which is saying
something with a dog... dogs and cats are both carnivores and carnivores
tend to sleep a great deal of the day).

<snip>

Sigh. I have a place picked out for an aviary here. But it's down the
list a ways far a Projects To Be Done...


Well, maybe in the future. Erin and I were at Petco the other day and
looking at the parrots and finchs. She was like "Wouldn't it be nice
if we have a parrot?" My response was "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" ;)

Enough already. I definitely want to get another cat in a year or
two, but NOTHING new at this point :)


Heh. Start your own zoo. <g>


If I was single, I shudder to think how many pets I would have.

Heh. Reminds me of how grateful I was that city regulations kept Bob from
going nuts. Goats, he wanted *goats*. In the city. Oh and an arboreal
snake for the palm trees. I replied by looking through the ads for
apartments. <g>
(Snakes. <brrrrrr>)
Speaking of goats...
Saw a sign last time I was headed to my mom's house. Read "Show Goats".
I immediately had this image of a can-can...
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EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 19 Dec 2007 11:50:16 AM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:49:52 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:nstf35-qb3.ln1@eac.exists.not...

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:23:41 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:


snip

LOL - You can say that again. We got a bit of snow yesterday and she
and Erin had a blast playing in it.


Told you she'd win you all over. <g>


Yeah, pretty much. I did a lot of yelling at her the other day too.


Well, yeah, but pets and yelling go together.

Especially when certain idiots with claws step on my bare feet!

Ouch!


<snip>

Oh dear. See, I could see Ginger doing that. She acts like she's
starving all the time! It's bizarre. To me, anyway.


As I think I said (I don't remember, yesterday was an aching blur and the
crazy lady was being a total ditz on the phone and I'm thinking I should
turn the cell ringer off today and "forget" it's off)...

Believe me, I know the feeling. If my mom calls me ONE MORE TIME about her
freakin' Xmas cards (which I wrote and sent out for her LAST WEEK), I'm
going to blow a gasket :P

Anyway.

I figure it's an evolutionary thing. If you're a hunter in the wild, you
eat whenever there's food since it's hard to come by. We humans do it.
That's why we have an obesity epidemic. We live in a world of easy food
now but our instincts were all honed by millions of years of having to
scrabble and grab and eek out every calorie.

I'm much more strict about the line between people food and dog food.
If nothing else, it's just not good for them to get into the people
food. Plenty of our stuff is just not suited for dogs. Ice cream for
example. Wanna see blorch all over your carpet? Let a dog have ice
cream.


Blech. The other day she threw up something that looked like a chewed-up
piece of wood. Thank goodness for old shitty carpeting :P


May have been. When Lucky was much younger, I had to keep 2x4s away from
him. Maybe they tasted good?

Yeah, Ginger loves to chew on sticks from the backyards. We're constantly
taking them away from her.

This is how I discovered Kong toys. Trying to find him something he could
chew all he wanted that would last more than five minutes.

Shoot, I wish Ginger liked hers :P

(They actually make a frozen dog treat called "Frosty Paws" that I've
been known to pick up once in a great while during summer when it's
hot. But human ice cream will make a dog *sick*.)


Duly noted!

Dogs are fun. They don't do the cat thing of "feed me and go away." <g>


Neither does my cat! Or Erin's cat - You know what I mean ;)


Oh I know. I've had cats like that back when I was young. Rescued one
once that turned out to be the sweetest, most affectionate, gentle cats
I've ever known. She was killed by some critter or other. I don't think
she even knew she *had* claws. That was back when we lived on a six acre
lot and whatever cats were around at the time stayed outside during
school (etc.). Which was usually what they wanted. I mean six acres of
woods that's fenced so the neighbors' dogs can't get in. It was cat
heaven. <g>

I don't know *what* got to her. We also had dogs and they would have
taken exception to an intruding critter. Whatever it was, I figure she
didn't fight back. Looked like she'd been trying to get to a tree.

That one upset me. She was an unusual cat.

Poor thing - That's sad :(

Even my old guys were hyper this morning after potty time. Ran one end
of the house to the other for a while. Not very long, though. Not
anymore. But Blaze is pushing nine now and for his size, he's getting
up there in years. Still gets in really playful moods but they don't
last like they used to. He ran around like a maniac for a while but it
wasn't ten minutes before he was curled up on my bed. <g>


Too bad you don't have the snow and ice I do. Thankfully, Ginger loves
it. Though it was hilarious to see her slide right across the backyard
when she ran out there this morning.


Or in our case, good thing we don't have it. We're all aging over here.
I've had a back problem (or sciatic nerve considering the way it's been
acting) for three days now.

You're the second person I know that's been having that particular problem.
Hmmm....
Lucky's starting to have trouble with steps.

And Blaze is getting to where he sleeps a *lot* (which is saying
something with a dog... dogs and cats are both carnivores and carnivores
tend to sleep a great deal of the day).

snip

Heh. Start your own zoo. <g>


If I was single, I shudder to think how many pets I would have.


Heh. Reminds me of how grateful I was that city regulations kept Bob from
going nuts. Goats, he wanted *goats*. In the city.

Goats are actually very cool - Very smart, but also very mischevious.
Oh and an arboreal

snake for the palm trees. I replied by looking through the ads for
apartments. <g>

(Snakes. <brrrrrr>)

Oh, they're not so bad ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 20 Dec 2007 08:46:32 AM
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:50:16 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:49:52 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:nstf35-qb3.ln1@eac.exists.not...

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:23:41 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:


snip

LOL - You can say that again. We got a bit of snow yesterday and she
and Erin had a blast playing in it.


Told you she'd win you all over. <g>


Yeah, pretty much. I did a lot of yelling at her the other day too.


Well, yeah, but pets and yelling go together.

Especially when certain idiots with claws step on my bare feet!


Ouch!

Tell me about it. And this morning, before I even had any coffee, Mister
Senile stepped in his own poop. We had another major clean up operation
around here.
(Another reason I have got to get rid of this carpet. Two aging dogs and
carpet? This is not going to be pretty.)

<snip>

Oh dear. See, I could see Ginger doing that. She acts like she's
starving all the time! It's bizarre. To me, anyway.


As I think I said (I don't remember, yesterday was an aching blur and
the crazy lady was being a total ditz on the phone and I'm thinking I
should turn the cell ringer off today and "forget" it's off)...


Believe me, I know the feeling. If my mom calls me ONE MORE TIME about
her freakin' Xmas cards (which I wrote and sent out for her LAST WEEK),
I'm going to blow a gasket :P

With mine it was "the Internet isn't working". Google was okay. It was
"the Internet". While my back is hurting enough to almost make me cry,
I'm putting up with "the other machine can do this". WHICH ONE IS THE
OTHER ONE??? "Why am I getting email if the Internet doesn't work?" WHAT??
AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
<snip>

Yeah, Ginger loves to chew on sticks from the backyards. We're
constantly taking them away from her.

This is how I discovered Kong toys. Trying to find him something he
could chew all he wanted that would last more than five minutes.


Shoot, I wish Ginger liked hers :P

I wonder why. Maybe she likes crunchy?
<snip>

Or in our case, good thing we don't have it. We're all aging over here.
I've had a back problem (or sciatic nerve considering the way it's been
acting) for three days now.


You're the second person I know that's been having that particular
problem. Hmmm....

I'm not so sure we're talking sciatic from what I saw when I looked
things up. This is more classic lower back pain. It's the spot people
grab in every commercial selling some back thingie since the beginning of
time. And I think I know how I did it. Not sitting at the computer but I
was playing with a blinky light circuit in the living room and had my
little breadboard on the ridiculously tall arm rest of that torture
device laughingly called "a couch" and sat funny for a long period of
time.
Oh and I'm fat.
Which I'm getting *so* tired of. Saw a picture of me from '05 and was
just really pissed I'd let it get this bad. I have to remind myself the
whole thing happened the year after Bob had died and I was about ready
for a rubber room so extra weight is not as bad as what some folks came
out of Katrina with. But it's been over a year now and I'm getting pissed
at myself. <g>
Oh gack. I saw a picture of myself from last Xmas when I went to mom's
for Thanksgiving. I said, "Who's the whale?"
(Actually, what's worse is I looked like Grandma Bilbo, dad's mom. The
vile, senile old *****. Why can't I at *least* look like one of my
grandFATHERS?)

Lucky's starting to have trouble with steps.

And Blaze is getting to where he sleeps a *lot* (which is saying
something with a dog... dogs and cats are both carnivores and
carnivores tend to sleep a great deal of the day).


snip

Heh. Start your own zoo. <g>


If I was single, I shudder to think how many pets I would have.


Heh. Reminds me of how grateful I was that city regulations kept Bob
from going nuts. Goats, he wanted *goats*. In the city.


Goats are actually very cool - Very smart, but also very mischevious.

Tell me about it. While they actually can be decent pets, when they go
bad, look out. We had a billy once that had anger issues and had to be
put down. The idiot wasn't just butting everybody in the family if they
dared come out of the house but was butting glass doors!

Oh and an arboreal

snake for the palm trees. I replied by looking through the ads for
apartments. <g>

(Snakes. <brrrrrr>)


Oh, they're not so bad ;)

You may have my share.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“The worst government is often the most moral.
One composed of cynics is often very tolerant and humane.
But when fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression.”
- H. L. Mencken
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 21 Dec 2007 06:00:31 AM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:50:16 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message

snip

Especially when certain idiots with claws step on my bare feet!


Ouch!


Tell me about it. And this morning, before I even had any coffee, Mister
Senile stepped in his own poop. We had another major clean up operation
around here.

Eeeeewwwww!


(Another reason I have got to get rid of this carpet. Two aging dogs and
carpet? This is not going to be pretty.)

Well, our carpet was an old piece of ***** when we moved in almost ten years
ago. We're getting rid of it this summer and getting the hardwood floors
underneath redone. So, Ginger can have at it in the meantime.

<snip>

Oh dear. See, I could see Ginger doing that. She acts like she's
starving all the time! It's bizarre. To me, anyway.


As I think I said (I don't remember, yesterday was an aching blur and
the crazy lady was being a total ditz on the phone and I'm thinking I
should turn the cell ringer off today and "forget" it's off)...


Believe me, I know the feeling. If my mom calls me ONE MORE TIME about
her freakin' Xmas cards (which I wrote and sent out for her LAST WEEK),
I'm going to blow a gasket :P


With mine it was "the Internet isn't working". Google was okay. It was
"the Internet". While my back is hurting enough to almost make me cry,
I'm putting up with "the other machine can do this". WHICH ONE IS THE
OTHER ONE??? "Why am I getting email if the Internet doesn't work?" WHAT??

AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

LOL! Patience is a virtue, young man :)
I guess because my mom actually has Alzheimer's almost makes it a little
easier to deal with. I know she can't help it ;)

<snip>

Yeah, Ginger loves to chew on sticks from the backyards. We're
constantly taking them away from her.

This is how I discovered Kong toys. Trying to find him something he
could chew all he wanted that would last more than five minutes.


Shoot, I wish Ginger liked hers :P


I wonder why. Maybe she likes crunchy?

Think so. She loves those disgusting smoked pigs ears. Blech :P

<snip>

Or in our case, good thing we don't have it. We're all aging over here.
I've had a back problem (or sciatic nerve considering the way it's been
acting) for three days now.


You're the second person I know that's been having that particular
problem. Hmmm....


I'm not so sure we're talking sciatic from what I saw when I looked
things up.

Sciatic is more of a shooting pain that goes right down your leg. I had a
bit of a problem with it towards the end of my pregnancy with the witchling.
Wasn't fun :P
This is more classic lower back pain. It's the spot people

grab in every commercial selling some back thingie since the beginning of
time. And I think I know how I did it. Not sitting at the computer but I
was playing with a blinky light circuit in the living room and had my
little breadboard on the ridiculously tall arm rest of that torture
device laughingly called "a couch" and sat funny for a long period of
time.

Oh and I'm fat.

Oh, now, now.

Which I'm getting *so* tired of. Saw a picture of me from '05 and was
just really pissed I'd let it get this bad. I have to remind myself the
whole thing happened the year after Bob had died and I was about ready
for a rubber room so extra weight is not as bad as what some folks came
out of Katrina with. But it's been over a year now and I'm getting pissed
at myself. <g>

That can be good motivation. Worked for me :)


Oh gack. I saw a picture of myself from last Xmas when I went to mom's
for Thanksgiving. I said, "Who's the whale?"

(Actually, what's worse is I looked like Grandma Bilbo, dad's mom. The
vile, senile old *****. Why can't I at *least* look like one of my
grandFATHERS?)

GrandMA Bilbo? Oh dear ;)

Lucky's starting to have trouble with steps.

And Blaze is getting to where he sleeps a *lot* (which is saying
something with a dog... dogs and cats are both carnivores and
carnivores tend to sleep a great deal of the day).


snip

Heh. Start your own zoo. <g>


If I was single, I shudder to think how many pets I would have.


Heh. Reminds me of how grateful I was that city regulations kept Bob
from going nuts. Goats, he wanted *goats*. In the city.


Goats are actually very cool - Very smart, but also very mischevious.


Tell me about it. While they actually can be decent pets, when they go
bad, look out. We had a billy once that had anger issues and had to be
put down. The idiot wasn't just butting everybody in the family if they
dared come out of the house but was butting glass doors!

Yikes!

Oh and an arboreal

snake for the palm trees. I replied by looking through the ads for
apartments. <g>

(Snakes. <brrrrrr>)


Oh, they're not so bad ;)


You may have my share.

Cool! :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 21 Dec 2007 09:16:49 AM
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:00:31 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:50:16 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message


snip

Especially when certain idiots with claws step on my bare feet!


Ouch!


Tell me about it. And this morning, before I even had any coffee,
Mister Senile stepped in his own poop. We had another major clean up
operation around here.


Eeeeewwwww!

I know. I'm just going to have to get used to having the emergency
cleaning supplies handy. Not looking forward to this but I refuse to have
a pet put down for doing nothing but getting old.
Disease, pain, disorder, something like that, yes. But just getting old?
'Sides, I tend to be a little slow on the housework thing. An incentive
wouldn't hurt. <G>

(Another reason I have got to get rid of this carpet. Two aging dogs
and carpet? This is not going to be pretty.)


Well, our carpet was an old piece of ***** when we moved in almost ten
years ago. We're getting rid of it this summer and getting the hardwood
floors underneath redone. So, Ginger can have at it in the meantime.

Huh. That might actually be unintentional good timing. She'll be a lot
older in doggie terms. By then, the problem could be gone. Well, long as
you don't pull a boner like I did that last time and respond with, "I'll
be there is a second!" <g>

<snip>

Oh dear. See, I could see Ginger doing that. She acts like she's
starving all the time! It's bizarre. To me, anyway.


As I think I said (I don't remember, yesterday was an aching blur and
the crazy lady was being a total ditz on the phone and I'm thinking I
should turn the cell ringer off today and "forget" it's off)...


Believe me, I know the feeling. If my mom calls me ONE MORE TIME about
her freakin' Xmas cards (which I wrote and sent out for her LAST
WEEK), I'm going to blow a gasket :P


With mine it was "the Internet isn't working". Google was okay. It was
"the Internet". While my back is hurting enough to almost make me cry,
I'm putting up with "the other machine can do this". WHICH ONE IS THE
OTHER ONE??? "Why am I getting email if the Internet doesn't work?"
WHAT??

AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!


LOL! Patience is a virtue, young man :)

In this family, patience is non-existent. And I get that from *her* (that
and the out stubborn a mule and the argue with a fence post).
I take that back. The middle brother, the one in the long term care
business, he's the odd one out. Where he gets the patience to deal with
nursing home residents is beyond me. But he's always been like that.
He's the weird one. <G>

I guess because my mom actually has Alzheimer's almost makes it a little
easier to deal with. I know she can't help it ;)

Yah. In my case... well, that's an email conversation.

<snip>

Yeah, Ginger loves to chew on sticks from the backyards. We're
constantly taking them away from her.

This is how I discovered Kong toys. Trying to find him something he
could chew all he wanted that would last more than five minutes.


Shoot, I wish Ginger liked hers :P


I wonder why. Maybe she likes crunchy?


Think so. She loves those disgusting smoked pigs ears. Blech :P

Heh. I can't have those in the house. Nor those big, rawhide things.
These two get along fine *except* when it comes to those things. Closest
we've ever gotten to an actual fight between these two involved those.
And it was Lucky of course. Mister bratty kid brother who sticks his nose
in where it doesn't belong. In fact, he's really irritating me lately
with this hierarchy thing. Blaze is getting old so Lucky is starting to
act like he's thinking, "Aha! Time to make my play for alpha dog!"
Makes me want to rant, "*I* am top dog in this pack and you're *BOTH*
beta dogs and that's the way it's gonna *STAY*!"
Dogs. Sheesh.

<snip>

Or in our case, good thing we don't have it. We're all aging over
here. I've had a back problem (or sciatic nerve considering the way
it's been acting) for three days now.


You're the second person I know that's been having that particular
problem. Hmmm....


I'm not so sure we're talking sciatic from what I saw when I looked
things up.


Sciatic is more of a shooting pain that goes right down your leg. I had
a bit of a problem with it towards the end of my pregnancy with the
witchling. Wasn't fun :P

This is more classic lower back pain. It's the spot people

grab in every commercial selling some back thingie since the beginning
of time. And I think I know how I did it. Not sitting at the computer
but I was playing with a blinky light circuit in the living room and
had my little breadboard on the ridiculously tall arm rest of that
torture device laughingly called "a couch" and sat funny for a long
period of time.

Oh and I'm fat.


Oh, now, now.

Oh, yes, yes. That long depression after the stress of Bob's health
failing, the storm, the evacuation, the flood, Rita brushing by, Bob's
death... I ate everything in sight and didn't give a *****. I'm a good
forty pounds over where I was before all that.
<shudder>

Which I'm getting *so* tired of. Saw a picture of me from '05 and was
just really pissed I'd let it get this bad. I have to remind myself the
whole thing happened the year after Bob had died and I was about ready
for a rubber room so extra weight is not as bad as what some folks came
out of Katrina with. But it's been over a year now and I'm getting
pissed at myself. <g>


That can be good motivation. Worked for me :)


Oh gack. I saw a picture of myself from last Xmas when I went to mom's
for Thanksgiving. I said, "Who's the whale?"

(Actually, what's worse is I looked like Grandma Bilbo, dad's mom. The
vile, senile old *****. Why can't I at *least* look like one of my
grandFATHERS?)


GrandMA Bilbo? Oh dear ;)

Yah. As opposed to my Louisiana driver's license where I looked like my
*other* grandma.
Yeesh!

Lucky's starting to have trouble with steps.

And Blaze is getting to where he sleeps a *lot* (which is saying
something with a dog... dogs and cats are both carnivores and
carnivores tend to sleep a great deal of the day).


snip

Heh. Start your own zoo. <g>


If I was single, I shudder to think how many pets I would have.


Heh. Reminds me of how grateful I was that city regulations kept Bob
from going nuts. Goats, he wanted *goats*. In the city.


Goats are actually very cool - Very smart, but also very mischevious.


Tell me about it. While they actually can be decent pets, when they go
bad, look out. We had a billy once that had anger issues and had to be
put down. The idiot wasn't just butting everybody in the family if they
dared come out of the house but was butting glass doors!


Yikes!

Oh and an arboreal

snake for the palm trees. I replied by looking through the ads for
apartments. <g>

(Snakes. <brrrrrr>)


Oh, they're not so bad ;)


You may have my share.


Cool! :)

Well, so much for me coming up there to visit!
(Snakes and snow. <brrrrrrrr>)
--
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 24 Dec 2007 11:20:28 AM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:00:31 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:50:16 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message


snip

Especially when certain idiots with claws step on my bare feet!


Ouch!


Tell me about it. And this morning, before I even had any coffee,
Mister Senile stepped in his own poop. We had another major clean up
operation around here.


Eeeeewwwww!


I know. I'm just going to have to get used to having the emergency
cleaning supplies handy.

Shoot, I did that right after we got Ginger. Turned out to be a very smart
move ;)
Not looking forward to this but I refuse to have

a pet put down for doing nothing but getting old.

Disease, pain, disorder, something like that, yes. But just getting old?

Of course not. Even I wouldn't do that ;)


'Sides, I tend to be a little slow on the housework thing. An incentive
wouldn't hurt. <G>

You are preaching to the choir ;)

(Another reason I have got to get rid of this carpet. Two aging dogs
and carpet? This is not going to be pretty.)


Well, our carpet was an old piece of ***** when we moved in almost ten
years ago. We're getting rid of it this summer and getting the hardwood
floors underneath redone. So, Ginger can have at it in the meantime.


Huh. That might actually be unintentional good timing. She'll be a lot
older in doggie terms. By then, the problem could be gone. Well, long as
you don't pull a boner like I did that last time and respond with, "I'll
be there is a second!" <g>

<snip>

Oh dear. See, I could see Ginger doing that. She acts like she's
starving all the time! It's bizarre. To me, anyway.


As I think I said (I don't remember, yesterday was an aching blur and
the crazy lady was being a total ditz on the phone and I'm thinking I
should turn the cell ringer off today and "forget" it's off)...


Believe me, I know the feeling. If my mom calls me ONE MORE TIME about
her freakin' Xmas cards (which I wrote and sent out for her LAST
WEEK), I'm going to blow a gasket :P


With mine it was "the Internet isn't working". Google was okay. It was
"the Internet". While my back is hurting enough to almost make me cry,
I'm putting up with "the other machine can do this". WHICH ONE IS THE
OTHER ONE??? "Why am I getting email if the Internet doesn't work?"
WHAT??

AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!


LOL! Patience is a virtue, young man :)


In this family, patience is non-existent. And I get that from *her* (that
and the out stubborn a mule and the argue with a fence post).

Oh dear. I'm not sure where my sudden high level of patience is coming
from. My bmom must have been a patient person ;)

I take that back. The middle brother, the one in the long term care
business, he's the odd one out. Where he gets the patience to deal with
nursing home residents is beyond me. But he's always been like that.

He's the weird one. <G>

:)

I guess because my mom actually has Alzheimer's almost makes it a little
easier to deal with. I know she can't help it ;)


Yah. In my case... well, that's an email conversation.

<snip>

Yeah, Ginger loves to chew on sticks from the backyards. We're
constantly taking them away from her.

This is how I discovered Kong toys. Trying to find him something he
could chew all he wanted that would last more than five minutes.


Shoot, I wish Ginger liked hers :P


I wonder why. Maybe she likes crunchy?


Think so. She loves those disgusting smoked pigs ears. Blech :P


Heh. I can't have those in the house. Nor those big, rawhide things.
These two get along fine *except* when it comes to those things. Closest
we've ever gotten to an actual fight between these two involved those.

And it was Lucky of course. Mister bratty kid brother who sticks his nose
in where it doesn't belong. In fact, he's really irritating me lately
with this hierarchy thing. Blaze is getting old so Lucky is starting to
act like he's thinking, "Aha! Time to make my play for alpha dog!"

Makes me want to rant, "*I* am top dog in this pack and you're *BOTH*
beta dogs and that's the way it's gonna *STAY*!"

Dogs. Sheesh.

Good thing I have only one then. We are at a party on Saturday and the
people who held it have 3 dogs - two border collies (sisters a litter apart)
and one totally adorable italian greyhound named Zeppole. I wanted just to
put him in my purse and sneak out with him - what a mush. Anyway, they would
often have problems with the border collies each trying to dominate the
other. Zeppole would just stay happily curled up on someone's lap :)
snip

Oh and I'm fat.


Oh, now, now.


Oh, yes, yes. That long depression after the stress of Bob's health
failing, the storm, the evacuation, the flood, Rita brushing by, Bob's
death... I ate everything in sight and didn't give a *****. I'm a good
forty pounds over where I was before all that.

<shudder>

Hey, that's where my pregnancy weight went! <ducks and runs>


Which I'm getting *so* tired of. Saw a picture of me from '05 and was
just really pissed I'd let it get this bad. I have to remind myself the
whole thing happened the year after Bob had died and I was about ready
for a rubber room so extra weight is not as bad as what some folks came
out of Katrina with. But it's been over a year now and I'm getting
pissed at myself. <g>


That can be good motivation. Worked for me :)


Oh gack. I saw a picture of myself from last Xmas when I went to mom's
for Thanksgiving. I said, "Who's the whale?"

(Actually, what's worse is I looked like Grandma Bilbo, dad's mom. The
vile, senile old *****. Why can't I at *least* look like one of my
grandFATHERS?)


GrandMA Bilbo? Oh dear ;)


Yah. As opposed to my Louisiana driver's license where I looked like my
*other* grandma.

Yeesh!

Oh dear. Not sure how to respond to that! :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 26 Dec 2007 08:26:17 AM
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:20:28 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

Good thing I have only one then. We are at a party on Saturday and the
people who held it have 3 dogs - two border collies (sisters a litter
apart) and one totally adorable italian greyhound named Zeppole. I
wanted just to put him in my purse and sneak out with him - what a mush.
Anyway, they would often have problems with the border collies each
trying to dominate the other. Zeppole would just stay happily curled up
on someone's lap

I wonder, was it a couple who had three dogs? I kind of wonder if that
gets rolling when the dogs outnumber the people. They end up having to
"compete" for attention. When that Chow was around, we had all kinds of
trouble. Blaze was clearly "alpha" dog but the Chow was really insecure
about his position. Picked fights with Lucky. Truth was, I never cared
for that Chow myself. And even early on, Lucky was getting my attention.
But because he was in such bad shape. I was working at home at the time
and I'd be putting medicine on his sores during breaks. Things like that.
Wonder if that kind of thing contributed to the Chow acting like an *****.
Though, myself, I think Chows are just assholes. Gorgeous assholes.
It's also true that because of such things, I was around Lucky a lot and
when he started feeling secure and started coming out of his shell, he
started turning into the playful dog he is today. Now that I think about
it, he started turning into my favorite early on. Back then, Blaze was
very much Bob's dog. I was the one that played fetch with him in the yard
but Bob was the one he got up on the couch with and snoozed (on his back,
big paws sticking in the air, head in Bob's lap <g>).
Then after the Chow died, we never had a bit of trouble. Bob used to say,
"two daddies, no waiting." <g>
But anyway.
Oh, I think I told you about my SIL bottle feeding those abandoned
kittens? One didn't make it but three survived. You should see the two
black ones. Solid black, medium hair, *big* eyes. Beautiful cats. The
orange tabby is a, heh, well, not the brightest light on the string.
Can't compare to his brothers in looks definitely (has this one mild
patch of almost black near his mouth, looks like he's dirty all the time
<g>).
And having been hand fed as tiny kittens, they're very affectionate. Not
much of that famous cat "independence" going. I ended up being swarmed by
purrs yesterday after dinner. <g>
Heh, the two black ones with those big eyes, they'd make perfect
"familiars". When I got out of the truck, one popped up from behind the
weeds and watched me. Big eyes glowing. Wanted to say, "Is it Halloween
already?"
(Now if somebody could convince the tabby that even playful nips are
unpleasant with those sharp teeth!)
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 26 Dec 2007 09:56:47 AM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:20:28 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

Good thing I have only one then. We are at a party on Saturday and the
people who held it have 3 dogs - two border collies (sisters a litter
apart) and one totally adorable italian greyhound named Zeppole. I
wanted just to put him in my purse and sneak out with him - what a mush.
Anyway, they would often have problems with the border collies each
trying to dominate the other. Zeppole would just stay happily curled up
on someone's lap


I wonder, was it a couple who had three dogs?

Yep, about our age, no bambinos.
I kind of wonder if that

gets rolling when the dogs outnumber the people. They end up having to
"compete" for attention.

I know there have been some issues, mainly between the two Border Collies.
When that Chow was around, we had all kinds of

trouble. Blaze was clearly "alpha" dog but the Chow was really insecure
about his position. Picked fights with Lucky. Truth was, I never cared
for that Chow myself. And even early on, Lucky was getting my attention.
But because he was in such bad shape. I was working at home at the time
and I'd be putting medicine on his sores during breaks. Things like that.

Aw, poor thing :(

Wonder if that kind of thing contributed to the Chow acting like an *****.
Though, myself, I think Chows are just assholes. Gorgeous assholes.

The only thing I know about Chows is that my mother got bitten in the face
by one when she was a kid, so I've always avoided them.

It's also true that because of such things, I was around Lucky a lot and
when he started feeling secure and started coming out of his shell, he
started turning into the playful dog he is today. Now that I think about
it, he started turning into my favorite early on. Back then, Blaze was
very much Bob's dog. I was the one that played fetch with him in the yard
but Bob was the one he got up on the couch with and snoozed (on his back,
big paws sticking in the air, head in Bob's lap <g>).

Then after the Chow died, we never had a bit of trouble. Bob used to say,
"two daddies, no waiting." <g>

LOL, how cute. Ginger seems to have turned into my shadow. Every time I
turn around she's there, she likes to curl around my feet while I'm at the
sink doing the dishes, hang out in the kitchen while I cook, etc., etc.
That's probably because I'm the "Lady that's always dropping delicious
goodies in my mouth". And yes, I'm trying to cut back. George is getting
pissed! ;)


But anyway.

Oh, I think I told you about my SIL bottle feeding those abandoned
kittens? One didn't make it but three survived. You should see the two
black ones. Solid black, medium hair, *big* eyes. Beautiful cats.

<SHRIEK!> I want one!
The

orange tabby is a, heh, well, not the brightest light on the string.
Can't compare to his brothers in looks definitely (has this one mild
patch of almost black near his mouth, looks like he's dirty all the time
<g>).

And having been hand fed as tiny kittens, they're very affectionate. Not
much of that famous cat "independence" going. I ended up being swarmed by
purrs yesterday after dinner. <g>

Hey, I get that every day. Almost every cat I've ever owned as been lacking
that "independence" ;)

Heh, the two black ones with those big eyes, they'd make perfect
"familiars". When I got out of the truck, one popped up from behind the
weeds and watched me. Big eyes glowing. Wanted to say, "Is it Halloween
already?"

Ha, I wish! :)

(Now if somebody could convince the tabby that even playful nips are
unpleasant with those sharp teeth!)

And kitten claws are like razors!
Speaking of which, the witchling and I LOVED "Sweeney Todd"! Bloody
fabulous! :)
--
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BAAWA Knight!
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Too many dogs 26 Dec 2007 10:41:53 AM
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:56:47 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:20:28 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

Good thing I have only one then. We are at a party on Saturday and the
people who held it have 3 dogs - two border collies (sisters a litter
apart) and one totally adorable italian greyhound named Zeppole. I
wanted just to put him in my purse and sneak out with him - what a
mush. Anyway, they would often have problems with the border collies
each trying to dominate the other. Zeppole would just stay happily
curled up on someone's lap


I wonder, was it a couple who had three dogs?


Yep, about our age, no bambinos.

Yeah, that makes a kind of sense.

I kind of wonder if that

gets rolling when the dogs outnumber the people. They end up having to
"compete" for attention.


I know there have been some issues, mainly between the two Border
Collies.

When that Chow was around, we had all kinds of

trouble. Blaze was clearly "alpha" dog but the Chow was really insecure
about his position. Picked fights with Lucky. Truth was, I never cared
for that Chow myself. And even early on, Lucky was getting my
attention. But because he was in such bad shape. I was working at home
at the time and I'd be putting medicine on his sores during breaks.
Things like that.


Aw, poor thing :(

He was in terrible shape. Fur missing, sores, dirty. Who knew such a
little sweetheart was underneath all that? <g>

Wonder if that kind of thing contributed to the Chow acting like an
*****. Though, myself, I think Chows are just assholes. Gorgeous
assholes.


The only thing I know about Chows is that my mother got bitten in the
face by one when she was a kid, so I've always avoided them.

*They're* the temperamental dogs. People yap brainlessly about Pits but
Chows are the nasty ones. Stand-offish, aloof... weirdly cat like at
times. <g>
But, as usual, people think "pretty" is good.
It's kind of twisted when you think about it. Pits were bred to fight
other dogs. But because their handlers had to be able to deal with them
(even reaching in and pulling them out of a fighting ring I've read),
they were bred to *not* hurt humans. Ending up with a very powerful, very
loyal, very adoring dog.
Chows were actual *war* dogs. Such as:
"Many people who think the chow originated outside of China suggest that
the breed was forged in Arctic lands from whence it emigrated with
barbarian tribes that invaded China in the 11th century B.C. To be sure,
historical records reveal that these invaders were accompanied by huge
dogs with black tongues. The dogs were reputedly strong enough to
dispatch a person with no assistance and fierce enough to be more than
happy to do so."
The times that idiot dog started a fight with Lucky and I had to pry them
apart with a broom stick or whatever, once I got them apart, he'd bounce
over, wagging his tail like "I was a good boy wasn't I?"
I mean, we're talking dogs that *were* bred to attack people. To *like*
"dispatching" a person.
Doesn't mean they can't be raised properly and (I guess) be okay pets but
talk about a backwards way of thinking people have. That Chow, the big,
fluffy coat and huge brown eyes (he was a pretty dog) was *everybody's*
favorite. Ooo, he's so pretty!
I'd roll my eyes.
I came to firmly believe that if there was a dog in the house with even a
molecule of potential to "turn on" somebody, it was big brown eyed
fluffy. Mr. Chow "PMS" Chow his ownself.
Now, Lucky wouldn't back off if the Chow started something but first
chance he got, he ran away from the fight. He went and hid behind Bob
once. Looking guilty. He didn't *want* to fight. That idiot Chow was
wagging his tail and acting like "what a good boy am I".
Yeesh.
I'd *never* have another one of those assholes.

It's also true that because of such things, I was around Lucky a lot
and when he started feeling secure and started coming out of his shell,
he started turning into the playful dog he is today. Now that I think
about it, he started turning into my favorite early on. Back then,
Blaze was very much Bob's dog. I was the one that played fetch with him
in the yard but Bob was the one he got up on the couch with and snoozed
(on his back, big paws sticking in the air, head in Bob's lap <g>).

Then after the Chow died, we never had a bit of trouble. Bob used to
say, "two daddies, no waiting." <g>


LOL, how cute. Ginger seems to have turned into my shadow. Every time
I turn around she's there, she likes to curl around my feet while I'm at
the sink doing the dishes, hang out in the kitchen while I cook, etc.,
etc.

Heh, told you. You're pack leader. <G>

That's probably because I'm the "Lady that's always dropping
delicious goodies in my mouth". And yes, I'm trying to cut back. George
is getting pissed! ;)

Well, as I've said, I'm against people food "treats". But you now have
what I used to refer to as the "entourage of fur".
Came up with that one way back in LA when Bob was still up and about and
couldn't go from one room to the other without all three dogs following
along like some movie star's entourage.

But anyway.

Oh, I think I told you about my SIL bottle feeding those abandoned
kittens? One didn't make it but three survived. You should see the two
black ones. Solid black, medium hair, *big* eyes. Beautiful cats.


<SHRIEK!> I want one!

Oh like my SIL's gonna part with one. And she was in the Army. <g>
(No, really. Sargent I think. Such a study in contrasts that one. She'd
been in the Army, is still damn scary at handling a gun, and I still
remember finding her in her living room, tiny little kitten barely past
the age of opening its eyes, wrapped in a towel as she bottle fed him.)
But you would *love* these two. Black as midnight, big eyes. Sweet as
they can be.

The

orange tabby is a, heh, well, not the brightest light on the string.
Can't compare to his brothers in looks definitely (has this one mild
patch of almost black near his mouth, looks like he's dirty all the
time <g>).

And having been hand fed as tiny kittens, they're very affectionate.
Not much of that famous cat "independence" going. I ended up being
swarmed