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User: "maff"
Date: 01 Apr 2005 09:48:48 AM
Object: China / Japan
If 22 Million Chinese Prevail at U.N., Japan Won't
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/01/international/asia/01china.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By JOSEPH KAHN
A grass-roots Chinese campaign to keep Japan out of the U.N. Security
Council has gathered some 22 million signatures.
(Japan OR Japanese OR Nippon OR Japonica) (China OR Chinese OR Sino OR
Sinica OR Zhongguo)
http://news.google.com/news?tab=gn&q=(Japan%20OR%20Japanese%20OR%20Nippon%20OR%20Japonica)%20(China%20OR%20Chinese%20OR%20Sino%20OR%20Sinica%20OR%20Zhongguo)&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
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Is the wakening giant a monster?
http://tinyurl.com/iws6
A Blueprint for the Future
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f
.

User: ""

Title: Re: China / Japan 22 Apr 2005 04:07:42 PM
maff wrote:

If 22 Million Chinese Prevail at U.N., Japan Won't

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/01/international/asia/01china.html?pagewanted=all&position=



By JOSEPH KAHN
A grass-roots Chinese campaign to keep Japan out of the U.N. Security
Council has gathered some 22 million signatures.

(Japan OR Japanese OR Nippon OR Japonica) (China OR Chinese OR Sino

OR

Sinica OR Zhongguo)

http://news.google.com/news?tab=gn&q=(Japan%20OR%20Japanese%20OR%20Nippon%20OR%20Japonica)%20(China%20OR%20Chinese%20OR%20Sino%20OR%20Sinica%20OR%20Zhongguo)&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&



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Is the wakening giant a monster?
http://tinyurl.com/iws6


A Blueprint for the Future
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f

I don't understand why it is poliitically incorrect to come to the
defence of Japan in light of the current events. How many times do they
have to say sorry anyway? China simply(like N. Korea) uses Japan's bad
past track record against them in an attempt to get more bargaining
power, and money. We never should have given China a seat at the UN;
it is the idiot juggernaut nation. And when it comes to whitewashing
history and being totally dishonest with portrayals of history China
can proudly say it takes the cake. China has committed(and continues to
do so) numerous crimes against its own people and its neighbours.
Tibet, Xinjiang, Vietnam(illegal war), Taiwan(but UN an US do
nothing)etc..
.
User: "bob young"

Title: Re: China / Japan 27 Apr 2005 05:22:15 AM
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wodetiana@hotmail.com wrote:

maff wrote:

If 22 Million Chinese Prevail at U.N., Japan Won't

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/01/international/asia/01china.html?pagewanted=all&position=



By JOSEPH KAHN
A grass-roots Chinese campaign to keep Japan out of the U.N. Security
Council has gathered some 22 million signatures.

(Japan OR Japanese OR Nippon OR Japonica) (China OR Chinese OR Sino

OR

Sinica OR Zhongguo)

http://news.google.com/news?tab=gn&q=(Japan%20OR%20Japanese%20OR%20Nippon%20OR%20Japonica)%20(China%20OR%20Chinese%20OR%20Sino%20OR%20Sinica%20OR%20Zhongguo)&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&



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Is the wakening giant a monster?
http://tinyurl.com/iws6


A Blueprint for the Future
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f


I don't understand why it is poliitically incorrect to come to the
defence of Japan in light of the current events. How many times do they
have to say sorry anyway? China simply(like N. Korea) uses Japan's bad
past track record against them in an attempt to get more bargaining
power, and money. We never should have given China a seat at the UN;
it is the idiot juggernaut nation. And when it comes to whitewashing
history and being totally dishonest with portrayals of history China
can proudly say it takes the cake. China has committed(and continues to
do so) numerous crimes against its own people and its neighbours.
Tibet, Xinjiang, Vietnam(illegal war), Taiwan(but UN an US do
nothing)etc..

....according to the new Japanese textbook the slaughter of over 300,000 mainly women and children in Nanjing is described as an 'incident'.
There has not been any apology for this 'incident' so far
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<p>wodetiana@hotmail.com wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>maff wrote:
<br>> If 22 Million Chinese Prevail at U.N., Japan Won't
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<br><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/01/international/asia/01china.html?pagewanted=all&position=">http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/01/international/asia/01china.html?pagewanted=all&amp;position=</a>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> By JOSEPH KAHN
<br>> A grass-roots Chinese campaign to keep Japan out of the U.N. Security
<br>> Council has gathered some 22 million signatures.
<br>>
<br>> (Japan OR Japanese OR Nippon OR Japonica) (China OR Chinese OR Sino
<br>OR
<br>> Sinica OR Zhongguo)
<br>>
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<br>>
<br>> Is the wakening giant a monster?
<br>> <a href="http://tinyurl.com/iws6">http://tinyurl.com/iws6</a>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> A Blueprint for the Future
<br>> <a href="http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f">http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f</a>
<p>I don't understand why it is poliitically incorrect to come to the
<br>defence of Japan in light of the current events. How many times do
they
<br>have to say sorry anyway? China simply(like N. Korea) uses Japan's
bad
<br>past track record against them in an attempt to get more bargaining
<br>power, and money.&nbsp; We never should have given China a seat at
the UN;
<br>it is the idiot juggernaut nation. And when it comes to whitewashing
<br>history and being totally dishonest with portrayals of history China
<br>can proudly say it takes the cake. China has committed(and continues
to
<br>do so) numerous crimes against its own people and its neighbours.
<br>Tibet, Xinjiang, Vietnam(illegal war), Taiwan(but UN an US do
<br>nothing)etc..</blockquote>
<p><br>...according to the new Japanese textbook the slaughter of over
300,000 mainly women and children in Nanjing is described as an 'incident'.
<p>There has not been any apology for this 'incident' so far
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User: "maff"

Title: Re: China / Japan 23 Apr 2005 08:00:30 AM
wrote:

maff wrote:

If 22 Million Chinese Prevail at U.N., Japan Won't


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/01/international/asia/01china.html?pagewanted=all&position=



By JOSEPH KAHN
A grass-roots Chinese campaign to keep Japan out of the U.N.

Security

Council has gathered some 22 million signatures.

(Japan OR Japanese OR Nippon OR Japonica) (China OR Chinese OR Sino

OR

Sinica OR Zhongguo)


http://news.google.com/news?tab=gn&q=(Japan%20OR%20Japanese%20OR%20Nippon%20OR%20Japonica)%20(China%20OR%20Chinese%20OR%20Sino%20OR%20Sinica%20OR%20Zhongguo)&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&




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Is the wakening giant a monster?
http://tinyurl.com/iws6


A Blueprint for the Future

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f


I don't understand why it is poliitically incorrect to come to the
defence of Japan in light of the current events. How many times do

they

have to say sorry anyway? China simply(like N. Korea) uses Japan's

bad

past track record against them in an attempt to get more bargaining
power, and money. We never should have given China a seat at the UN;
it is the idiot juggernaut nation. And when it comes to whitewashing
history and being totally dishonest with portrayals of history China
can proudly say it takes the cake. China has committed(and continues

to

do so) numerous crimes against its own people and its neighbours.
Tibet, Xinjiang, Vietnam(illegal war), Taiwan(but UN an US do
nothing)etc..

Japan should respect history, recognize reality: US historian
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-04/21/content_2860003.htm
www.chinaview.cn 2005-04-21 16:37:47
NEW YORK, April 20 (Xinhuanet) -- Japan should learn to respect history
and recognize the changes that have taken place in East Asia before
trying to fundamentally solve the contradictions and problems with
neighboring countries, an American historian suggested on Wednesday.
Asked by Xinhua to analyze the reasons why there are often protests in
East Asian countries against Japan, Chalmers Johnson, president of the
California-based Japan Policy Research Institute, said: "Japan's
failure to educate its citizens about the Rape of Nanjing, or the
Japanese army's Unit 731 chemical atrocities during the World War II
has been a scandal for a long time".
Textbook crimes
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,1466673,00.html
Justin McCurry reports on the response of the Japanese far right to the
deterioration in their country's relations with China
Friday April 22, 2005
At first sight it was business as usual this week in Yokohama's
Chinatown. Stalls selling savoury nikuman buns were doing a roaring
lunchtime trade, groups of middle-aged women queued patiently outside
the most popular restaurants and the lone police officer on duty was
confronted with nothing more demanding than giving directions to
tourists.
But beneath the appearance of calm, tensions are rising as Japanese
right-wing extremists offer their response to the wave of anti-Japanese
protests in China that, in the space of a couple of weeks, have seen
bilateral ties deteriorate to their worst point in more than 30 years.
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"Continuing Japanese denials that Japan's textbooks and attitude toward
the past have anything to do with the marches in China have not found
sympathetic ears in Asian countries that were invaded by imperial
Japan. Protests against Japan have been held in South Korea and
Vietnam, and critical comments have come from places like Malaysia and
Indonesia.
"We feel as Indonesians that all countries - including Japan - have to
face the facts of history," the Indonesian Foreign Ministry spokesman,
Marty Natalegawa, said this week."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/21/international/asia/21japan.html
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/d69d1dde53136ea1
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User: "Moe"

Title: Re: China / Japan 23 Apr 2005 08:31:49 PM
I would like to remind my american friends, we did not nuke japan, you
did. We did not burned tokoyo to ashes, you did. And japanese people
remembered that. You probably think they are totally westernized and
just a SOB of yours. Just wait and see.
The thing you don't know behind the curtain is that they still worship
those people who bombed pearl harbor, they still hornor those war
criminals who killed tens of thousands of GIs on the pasific ilands.
Every august 5th, they called up hundreds of thousands of people to
morn the people killed in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and they don't
think they deserve that.
To those who always brought up tibet and xinjiang, I say ***** you. How
about we anihillate 99% of the tibetians and leave the rest the right
to open casinos in some remote reserved land?
.
User: "bob young"

Title: Re: China / Japan 27 Apr 2005 05:25:04 AM
Moe wrote:

I would like to remind my american friends, we did not nuke japan, you
did. We did not burned tokoyo to ashes, you did. And japanese people
remembered that. You probably think they are totally westernized and
just a SOB of yours. Just wait and see.

The thing you don't know behind the curtain is that they still worship
those people who bombed pearl harbor,

You contradict yourself. Pearl Harbor was the initial act of aggression
that started the war for USA.
bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong kong

they still hornor those war
criminals who killed tens of thousands of GIs on the pasific ilands.
Every august 5th, they called up hundreds of thousands of people to
morn the people killed in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and they don't
think they deserve that.

To those who always brought up tibet and xinjiang, I say ***** you. How
about we anihillate 99% of the tibetians and leave the rest the right
to open casinos in some remote reserved land?

.

User: "Ernest Schaal"

Title: Re: China / Japan 23 Apr 2005 10:46:41 PM
in article 1114288309.908124.197640@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, Moe at
pilgrims200iii@yahoo.com wrote on 4/24/05 5:31 AM:

I would like to remind my american friends, we did not nuke japan, you
did. We did not burned tokoyo to ashes, you did. And japanese people
remembered that. You probably think they are totally westernized and
just a SOB of yours. Just wait and see.

The thing you don't know behind the curtain is that they still worship
those people who bombed pearl harbor, they still hornor those war
criminals who killed tens of thousands of GIs on the pasific ilands.
Every august 5th, they called up hundreds of thousands of people to
morn the people killed in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and they don't
think they deserve that.

To those who always brought up tibet and xinjiang, I say ***** you. How
about we anihillate 99% of the tibetians and leave the rest the right
to open casinos in some remote reserved land?

There is an old saying in America about people living in glass houses should
not throw stones. Well, China is distorting history in their textbooks and
then complains Japan doing the same thing. You really shouldn't be surprised
that you got called on your hypocrisy. Don't be such a bitter hypocrite.
Yes we did bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It was essential to ending the war.
Remember that China, by itself was incapable of throwing out the Japanese
army. The Japanese army was thrown out of China by the Allies.
.
User: "bob young"

Title: Re: China / Japan 27 Apr 2005 05:28:05 AM
Ernest Schaal wrote:

in article 1114288309.908124.197640@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, Moe at
pilgrims200iii@yahoo.com wrote on 4/24/05 5:31 AM:

I would like to remind my american friends, we did not nuke japan, you
did. We did not burned tokoyo to ashes, you did. And japanese people
remembered that. You probably think they are totally westernized and
just a SOB of yours. Just wait and see.

The thing you don't know behind the curtain is that they still worship
those people who bombed pearl harbor, they still hornor those war
criminals who killed tens of thousands of GIs on the pasific ilands.
Every august 5th, they called up hundreds of thousands of people to
morn the people killed in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and they don't
think they deserve that.

To those who always brought up tibet and xinjiang, I say ***** you. How
about we anihillate 99% of the tibetians and leave the rest the right
to open casinos in some remote reserved land?


There is an old saying in America about people living in glass houses should
not throw stones. Well, China is distorting history in their textbooks and
then complains Japan doing the same thing. You really shouldn't be surprised
that you got called on your hypocrisy. Don't be such a bitter hypocrite.

Yes we did bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It was essential to ending the war.
Remember that China, by itself was incapable of throwing out the Japanese
army. The Japanese army was thrown out of China by the Allies.

the most lethal war in the history of mankind could well be the next one called
'The Great Eastern Nuclear Conflict'
Billions will die.
Man never learns
.
User: "sdq"

Title: Re: China / Japan 27 Apr 2005 05:41:48 PM
bob young wrote:

the most lethal war in the history of mankind could well be the next one called
'The Great Eastern Nuclear Conflict'

Billions will die.

Man never learns

The one thing that mankind has learned is how to ignore the lessons of
history.
.


User: "Moe"

Title: Re: China / Japan 23 Apr 2005 11:41:29 PM
Talking about hypocrite, we have a lot to learn from US of A.
Free Tibet, how about free those indians, wait, you killed them all,
ripped them off, there is no one left to be freed. How about free
california, free louisana, the land used to belong to Mexico? How about
free Hawaii, you poisoned their king, but their people are still there?
How about stop threaten little countries like Venezuela just because
they import some riffles and not willing to sell oil to us of a? Pay
the vet namese who are still suffering from agent orange? I was brain
washed by the communist who said in the states, all niggers are
beggers, that was totally wrong, the fact is all beggers are niggers.
What exactly is your history book telling you makes you feel so not
hypocritical to blame other people?
Talking about ww2, we have been fighting the japanese since 1931. You
have been providing japanese everything including oil, steel and other
materials until 1941, you made a good fortune from both sides, and you
still have the guts saying you were the allies? The head of the
notorious Unit 731 who test their bio-chemical weapons on thousands of
people, was pardoned by US of A after the war because you need his test
results. I guess that is not in your history book coz that would not
make sense you know something about it and still call yourself an ally.
we learned our lesson after ww2, when people who said they are trying
to liberate us, give us freedom, don't believe them, load you gun and
if they dare come closer, shoot them.
Ernest Schaal wrote:

in article 1114288309.908124.197640@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, Moe

at

pilgrims200iii@yahoo.com wrote on 4/24/05 5:31 AM:

I would like to remind my american friends, we did not nuke japan,

you

did. We did not burned tokoyo to ashes, you did. And japanese

people

remembered that. You probably think they are totally westernized

and

just a SOB of yours. Just wait and see.

The thing you don't know behind the curtain is that they still

worship

those people who bombed pearl harbor, they still hornor those war
criminals who killed tens of thousands of GIs on the pasific

ilands.

Every august 5th, they called up hundreds of thousands of people

to

morn the people killed in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and they

don't

think they deserve that.

To those who always brought up tibet and xinjiang, I say ***** you.

How

about we anihillate 99% of the tibetians and leave the rest the

right

to open casinos in some remote reserved land?


There is an old saying in America about people living in glass houses

should

not throw stones. Well, China is distorting history in their

textbooks and

then complains Japan doing the same thing. You really shouldn't be

surprised

that you got called on your hypocrisy. Don't be such a bitter

hypocrite.


Yes we did bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It was essential to ending

the war.

Remember that China, by itself was incapable of throwing out the

Japanese

army. The Japanese army was thrown out of China by the Allies.

.
User: ""

Title: Re: China / Japan 24 Apr 2005 02:30:08 AM
Hi, Moe.
Moe wrote:

Talking about hypocrite, we have a lot to learn from US of A.

Free Tibet, how about free those indians, wait, you killed them all,
ripped them off, there is no one left to be freed.

Many thanks for your comments. It is good sometimes to express your
feelings, breathe out what is inside and breathe in something healthy.
You are right that it is very difficult for many Americans to admit
that America has a long history, in the sense of several hundreds of
years, of very nasty behavious against the original inhabitants of that
land.
Of course, not all the Native Americans are dead, and a lot were killed
by the White immigrants, and a lot of really bad stuff happened.
History, what happened in the past, contains a lot of very bad stuff.
There is some good stuff, too. It's not all terrible.

How about free
california, free louisana, the land used to belong to Mexico? How

about

free Hawaii, you poisoned their king, but their people are still

there?

How about stop threaten little countries like Venezuela just because
they import some riffles and not willing to sell oil to us of a? Pay
the vet namese who are still suffering from agent orange? I was brain
washed by the communist who said in the states, all niggers are
beggers, that was totally wrong, the fact is all beggers are niggers.
What exactly is your history book telling you makes you feel so not
hypocritical to blame other people?

Talking about ww2, we have been fighting the japanese since 1931. You
have been providing japanese everything including oil, steel and

other

materials until 1941, you made a good fortune from both sides, and

you

still have the guts saying you were the allies?

It seems to be a fact that the government in England in the 1800s
decided to allow English businessmen to sell weapons directly to
countries at war with England, so English soldiers were being killed in
battle by English weapons. The English government decided that the
profit made by its businessmen was more important than the lives of
some English soldiers. This is one of the bad things in history, along
with a lot of other stuff. Now American businessmen are selling
weapons.
You know, I hope, that perhaps the worst thing in history is that
people are able to behave like dolls and let others move them around
and sell them weapons and get them to fight against one another. Now
that human beings have gone into space, the small size of this planet
has become clear. Now that there is an Internet, immediate
communication can occur around this small planet. Now anyone with open
eyes can see that there is no reason to talk about "We fighting the
Japanese" or anyone else, except in history books. Humans are growing
up and learning that they live in one country the size of their planet.

The head of the
notorious Unit 731 who test their bio-chemical weapons on thousands

of

people, was pardoned by US of A after the war because you need his

test

results. I guess that is not in your history book coz that would not
make sense you know something about it and still call yourself an

ally.
Those who are the same kind of despicable being as sold weapons to kill
their own countrymen in the 1800s now would like to make money from
weapons that will kill other human beings. I advise these regretable
entities to produce, present and distribute more beneficial goods. I
advise you and everyone else being stirred up by such malignant beings
to stop letting other people move you around like dolls. It is not
today a question of allies and enemies. This is the day to realize that
everyone living on this little planet is your fellow citizens.

we learned our lesson after ww2, when people who said they are trying
to liberate us, give us freedom, don't believe them, load you gun and
if they dare come closer, shoot them.

No guns are necessary. These and more expensive weapons are being
produced by American weapons manufacturers who want to make money by
causing wars all over the world. Don't buy their stuff. Don't listen to
their advertising propaganda. Whatever anyone says about the bad stuff
that happened understand that now humans have gone into space and seen
that this planet is one country. There is no need for this country to
fight against itself. This simple wisdom is freedom. Ignorance of this
wisdom is slavery.
Be well, Michael
.
User: "maff"

Title: Trail of Tears 24 Apr 2005 09:06:46 AM
wrote:

Hi, Moe.

Moe wrote:

Talking about hypocrite, we have a lot to learn from US of A.

Free Tibet, how about free those indians, wait, you killed them

all,

ripped them off, there is no one left to be freed.


Many thanks for your comments. It is good sometimes to express your
feelings, breathe out what is inside and breathe in something

healthy.

You are right that it is very difficult for many Americans to admit
that America has a long history, in the sense of several hundreds of
years, of very nasty behavious against the original inhabitants of

that

land.

Of course, not all the Native Americans are dead, and a lot were

killed

by the White immigrants, and a lot of really bad stuff happened.
History, what happened in the past, contains a lot of very bad stuff.
There is some good stuff, too. It's not all terrible.

A Century Of U.S. Military Interventions: From Wounded Knee to
Afghanistan
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/9d53d6be8936ff5b
Wounded Knee
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/f272812fec565c9e
Forgotten Founders
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/6a0fe41017f7944a
Soldier Blue
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/354177b94f727795
Trail of Tears
http://news.google.com/news?q=%22Trail%20of%20Tears%22%20%22Trail%20of%20Tears%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Trail+of+Tears%22+%22Trail+of+Tears%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&tab=nw&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Trail+of+Tears%22+%22Trail+of+Tears%22&btnG=Search+Directory&hl=en&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=%22Trail%20of%20Tears%22%20%22Trail%20of%20Tears%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&scoring=d&tab=wg
Forgotten Founders
http://tinyurl.com/t750
http://tinyurl.com/t754
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=%22Forgotten+Founders%22&start=0&scoring=d&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&lr=&num=100&hl=en&
http://tinyurl.com/t74q
http://news.google.com/news?q=%20%22Forgotten%20Founders%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wn
"It would be a very strange thing if Six Nations of Ignorant Savages
should be capable of forming a Scheme for such an Union and be able to
execute it in such a manner, as that it has subsisted Ages, and appears
indissoluble, and yet a like Union should be impracticable for ten or a
dozen English colonies."
-- Benjamin Franklin to James Parker, 1751
"I am convinced that those societies [as the Indians] which live
without government enjoy in their general mass an infinitely greater
degree of happiness than those who live under European governments."
-- Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1787


How about free
california, free louisana, the land used to belong to Mexico? How

about

free Hawaii, you poisoned their king, but their people are still

there?

How about stop threaten little countries like Venezuela just

because

they import some riffles and not willing to sell oil to us of a?

Pay

the vet namese who are still suffering from agent orange? I was

brain

washed by the communist who said in the states, all niggers are
beggers, that was totally wrong, the fact is all beggers are

niggers.

What exactly is your history book telling you makes you feel so not
hypocritical to blame other people?

Talking about ww2, we have been fighting the japanese since 1931.

You

have been providing japanese everything including oil, steel and

other

materials until 1941, you made a good fortune from both sides, and

you

still have the guts saying you were the allies?


It seems to be a fact that the government in England in the 1800s
decided to allow English businessmen to sell weapons directly to
countries at war with England, so English soldiers were being killed

in

battle by English weapons. The English government decided that the
profit made by its businessmen was more important than the lives of
some English soldiers. This is one of the bad things in history,

along

with a lot of other stuff. Now American businessmen are selling
weapons.

You know, I hope, that perhaps the worst thing in history is that
people are able to behave like dolls and let others move them around
and sell them weapons and get them to fight against one another. Now
that human beings have gone into space, the small size of this planet
has become clear. Now that there is an Internet, immediate
communication can occur around this small planet. Now anyone with

open

eyes can see that there is no reason to talk about "We fighting the
Japanese" or anyone else, except in history books. Humans are growing
up and learning that they live in one country the size of their

planet.



The head of the
notorious Unit 731 who test their bio-chemical weapons on thousands

of

people, was pardoned by US of A after the war because you need his

test

results. I guess that is not in your history book coz that would

not

make sense you know something about it and still call yourself an

ally.

Those who are the same kind of despicable being as sold weapons to

kill

their own countrymen in the 1800s now would like to make money from
weapons that will kill other human beings. I advise these regretable
entities to produce, present and distribute more beneficial goods. I
advise you and everyone else being stirred up by such malignant

beings

to stop letting other people move you around like dolls. It is not
today a question of allies and enemies. This is the day to realize

that

everyone living on this little planet is your fellow citizens.

we learned our lesson after ww2, when people who said they are

trying

to liberate us, give us freedom, don't believe them, load you gun

and

if they dare come closer, shoot them.


No guns are necessary. These and more expensive weapons are being
produced by American weapons manufacturers who want to make money by
causing wars all over the world. Don't buy their stuff. Don't listen

to

their advertising propaganda. Whatever anyone says about the bad

stuff

that happened understand that now humans have gone into space and

seen

that this planet is one country. There is no need for this country to
fight against itself. This simple wisdom is freedom. Ignorance of

this

wisdom is slavery.

Be well, Michael

.

User: "bob young"

Title: Re: China / Japan 27 Apr 2005 05:36:06 AM
wrote:

Hi, Moe.

Moe wrote:

Talking about hypocrite, we have a lot to learn from US of A.

Free Tibet, how about free those indians, wait, you killed them all,
ripped them off, there is no one left to be freed.


Many thanks for your comments. It is good sometimes to express your
feelings, breathe out what is inside and breathe in something healthy.
You are right that it is very difficult for many Americans to admit
that America has a long history, in the sense of several hundreds of
years, of very nasty behavious against the original inhabitants of that
land.

Of course, not all the Native Americans are dead, and a lot were killed
by the White immigrants, and a lot of really bad stuff happened.
History, what happened in the past, contains a lot of very bad stuff.
There is some good stuff, too. It's not all terrible.

How about free
california, free louisana, the land used to belong to Mexico? How

about

free Hawaii, you poisoned their king, but their people are still

there?

How about stop threaten little countries like Venezuela just because
they import some riffles and not willing to sell oil to us of a? Pay
the vet namese who are still suffering from agent orange? I was brain
washed by the communist who said in the states, all niggers are
beggers, that was totally wrong, the fact is all beggers are niggers.
What exactly is your history book telling you makes you feel so not
hypocritical to blame other people?

Talking about ww2, we have been fighting the japanese since 1931. You
have been providing japanese everything including oil, steel and

other

materials until 1941, you made a good fortune from both sides, and

you

still have the guts saying you were the allies?


It seems to be a fact that the government in England in the 1800s
decided to allow English businessmen to sell weapons directly to
countries at war with England, so English soldiers were being killed in
battle by English weapons. The English government decided that the
profit made by its businessmen was more important than the lives of
some English soldiers. This is one of the bad things in history, along
with a lot of other stuff. Now American businessmen are selling
weapons.

You know, I hope, that perhaps the worst thing in history is that
people are able to behave like dolls and let others move them around
and sell them weapons and get them to fight against one another. Now
that human beings have gone into space, the small size of this planet
has become clear. Now that there is an Internet, immediate
communication can occur around this small planet. Now anyone with open
eyes can see that there is no reason to talk about "We fighting the
Japanese" or anyone else, except in history books. Humans are growing
up and learning that they live in one country the size of their planet.

The head of the
notorious Unit 731 who test their bio-chemical weapons on thousands

of

people, was pardoned by US of A after the war because you need his

test

results. I guess that is not in your history book coz that would not
make sense you know something about it and still call yourself an

ally.

Those who are the same kind of despicable being as sold weapons to kill
their own countrymen in the 1800s now would like to make money from
weapons that will kill other human beings. I advise these regretable
entities to produce, present and distribute more beneficial goods. I
advise you and everyone else being stirred up by such malignant beings
to stop letting other people move you around like dolls. It is not
today a question of allies and enemies. This is the day to realize that
everyone living on this little planet is your fellow citizens.

we learned our lesson after ww2, when people who said they are trying
to liberate us, give us freedom, don't believe them, load you gun and
if they dare come closer, shoot them.


No guns are necessary. These and more expensive weapons are being
produced by American weapons manufacturers who want to make money by
causing wars all over the world. Don't buy their stuff. Don't listen to
their advertising propaganda. Whatever anyone says about the bad stuff
that happened understand that now humans have gone into space and seen
that this planet is one country. There is no need for this country to
fight against itself. This simple wisdom is freedom. Ignorance of this
wisdom is slavery.

Eeeerrm! Tell us something NEW!
We are humans [mammals with distorted freak brains due to a quirk of
evolution] nothing will ever change.



Be well, Michael

.

User: "Moe"

Title: Re: China / Japan 24 Apr 2005 05:22:56 AM
First, thanks for discuss this issue in such a rational manner.
I agree with you, people should appreciate the peaceful life they have
now. So it makes sense when japanese did things like their text book,
the war criminal worshipping kind of thing, all the peace loving people
should be alerted.
What will you think if german chancellor start to goto the church that
buries adolf hitler? Or Putin start to praise Joseph Stalin, don't you
peace loving people get concerned? Won't you ask question like "what is
going on?" That is exactly what is going on in Japan, and they have
been doing that for 60 years, and it is getting worse recently.
Nobody asked us to do things, we are not dolls, we hate wars. We
protest because we are concerned. That is for the good of everybody,
including japanese people and american people who love peace as much as
we do.
honghs...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi, Moe.

Moe wrote:

Talking about hypocrite, we have a lot to learn from US of A.

Free Tibet, how about free those indians, wait, you killed them

all,

ripped them off, there is no one left to be freed.


Many thanks for your comments. It is good sometimes to express your
feelings, breathe out what is inside and breathe in something

healthy.

You are right that it is very difficult for many Americans to admit
that America has a long history, in the sense of several hundreds of
years, of very nasty behavious against the original inhabitants of

that

land.

Of course, not all the Native Americans are dead, and a lot were

killed

by the White immigrants, and a lot of really bad stuff happened.
History, what happened in the past, contains a lot of very bad stuff.
There is some good stuff, too. It's not all terrible.

How about free
california, free louisana, the land used to belong to Mexico? How

about

free Hawaii, you poisoned their king, but their people are still

there?

How about stop threaten little countries like Venezuela just

because

they import some riffles and not willing to sell oil to us of a?

Pay

the vet namese who are still suffering from agent orange? I was

brain

washed by the communist who said in the states, all niggers are
beggers, that was totally wrong, the fact is all beggers are

niggers.

What exactly is your history book telling you makes you feel so not
hypocritical to blame other people?

Talking about ww2, we have been fighting the japanese since 1931.

You

have been providing japanese everything including oil, steel and

other

materials until 1941, you made a good fortune from both sides, and

you

still have the guts saying you were the allies?


It seems to be a fact that the government in England in the 1800s
decided to allow English businessmen to sell weapons directly to
countries at war with England, so English soldiers were being killed

in

battle by English weapons. The English government decided that the
profit made by its businessmen was more important than the lives of
some English soldiers. This is one of the bad things in history,

along

with a lot of other stuff. Now American businessmen are selling
weapons.

You know, I hope, that perhaps the worst thing in history is that
people are able to behave like dolls and let others move them around
and sell them weapons and get them to fight against one another. Now
that human beings have gone into space, the small size of this planet
has become clear. Now that there is an Internet, immediate
communication can occur around this small planet. Now anyone with

open

eyes can see that there is no reason to talk about "We fighting the
Japanese" or anyone else, except in history books. Humans are growing
up and learning that they live in one country the size of their

planet.



The head of the
notorious Unit 731 who test their bio-chemical weapons on thousands

of

people, was pardoned by US of A after the war because you need his

test

results. I guess that is not in your history book coz that would

not

make sense you know something about it and still call yourself an

ally.

Those who are the same kind of despicable being as sold weapons to

kill

their own countrymen in the 1800s now would like to make money from
weapons that will kill other human beings. I advise these regretable
entities to produce, present and distribute more beneficial goods. I
advise you and everyone else being stirred up by such malignant

beings

to stop letting other people move you around like dolls. It is not
today a question of allies and enemies. This is the day to realize

that

everyone living on this little planet is your fellow citizens.

we learned our lesson after ww2, when people who said they are

trying

to liberate us, give us freedom, don't believe them, load you gun

and

if they dare come closer, shoot them.


No guns are necessary. These and more expensive weapons are being
produced by American weapons manufacturers who want to make money by
causing wars all over the world. Don't buy their stuff. Don't listen

to

their advertising propaganda. Whatever anyone says about the bad

stuff

that happened understand that now humans have gone into space and

seen

that this planet is one country. There is no need for this country to
fight against itself. This simple wisdom is freedom. Ignorance of

this

wisdom is slavery.

Be well, Michael

.
User: ""

Title: Re: China / Japan 24 Apr 2005 07:44:43 PM
Hi, Moe.
Moe wrote:

First, thanks for discuss this issue in such a rational manner.

Thank you for your reasonable response.

I agree with you, people should appreciate the peaceful life they

have

now. So it makes sense when japanese did things like their text book,
the war criminal worshipping kind of thing, all the peace loving

people

should be alerted.

You are correct that all people should be careful not to forget the
mistakes made in the past. How else can people learn, if they forget
their mistakes? It is, in my opinion, very important to realize these
mistakes were mistakes. That way they will not be repeated.

What will you think if german chancellor start to goto the church

that

buries adolf hitler? Or Putin start to praise Joseph Stalin, don't

you

peace loving people get concerned? Won't you ask question like "what

is

going on?" That is exactly what is going on in Japan, and they have
been doing that for 60 years, and it is getting worse recently.

It is not whether someone goes to pay respect to the ancestors that is
a problem. It is how this respect is given to the ancestors. If the
Japanese go to their shrine and say: "We remember you, o ancestors, and
we apologize and continue constantly to be sorry that many of you died
outside Japan attacking other people. You have taught us a lesson.
Because of your mistake we know it is wrong to attack people and we
have promised never to do that again. You are remembered and we offer
you this spirit food and burn this spirit money and give you our
promise that we will not make the mistake you made. We will always
be friends with our neighbours and our soldiers will not attack
anyone." who can complain about such a visit to the ancestral shrines?
I think the Japanese can tell people this has happened, if already they
have done it. If they have not done it yet, I think the ancestors are
waiting for this message to be given to them. The neighbours of Japan
are also waiting.

Nobody asked us to do things, we are not dolls, we hate wars. We
protest because we are concerned. That is for the good of everybody,
including japanese people and american people who love peace as much

as

we do.

I agree that all people everywhere be concerned that no one can trick
them into making the mistakes that were made in the past. I hope
everyone is concerned and that those who want to make money from
weapons can make and sell some more beneficial goods.
Thank you very much for your response. I hope everything now goes well.
Very Best Wishes, Michael
.
User: "Ernest Schaal"

Title: Re: China / Japan 24 Apr 2005 10:34:16 PM
in article 1114371883.584146.242650@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com,
at
wrote on 4/25/05 4:44 AM:

You are correct that all people should be careful not to forget the
mistakes made in the past. How else can people learn, if they forget
their mistakes? It is, in my opinion, very important to realize these
mistakes were mistakes. That way they will not be repeated.

Doesn't that equally apply to the Chinese as well?
.
User: ""

Title: Re: China / Japan 25 Apr 2005 11:49:56 AM
Hi, Ernest.
Ernest Schaal wrote:

You are correct that all people should be careful not to forget the
mistakes made in the past. How else can people learn, if they

forget

their mistakes? It is, in my opinion, very important to realize

these

mistakes were mistakes. That way they will not be repeated.


Doesn't that equally apply to the Chinese as well?

Yes. It applies to everyone.
Very Best Wishes, Michael
.



User: "bob young"

Title: Re: China / Japan 27 Apr 2005 05:41:04 AM
Moe wrote:

First, thanks for discuss this issue in such a rational manner.

I agree with you, people should appreciate the peaceful life they have
now. So it makes sense when japanese did things like their text book,
the war criminal worshipping kind of thing, all the peace loving people
should be alerted.

What will you think if german chancellor start to goto the church that
buries adolf hitler? Or Putin start to praise Joseph Stalin, don't you
peace loving people get concerned? Won't you ask question like "what is
going on?" That is exactly what is going on in Japan, and they have
been doing that for 60 years, and it is getting worse recently.

Nobody asked us to do things, we are not dolls, we hate wars. We
protest because we are concerned. That is for the good of everybody,
including japanese people and american people who love peace as much as
we do.

Japan has ridden on the shoulders of the USA since they conquered that
country after WWII. All that time since has been 'success on success' and
they find the about face after so long hard to take. The main competition
is coming from the PRC so in a sense the clock has been turned back as
China has always been the main threat to Japan.
Let us ernestly hope statesmanship in this century can take the correct
course, the alternative will be a disater for humankind.
Bob
Humanist Brit.
hong kong


honghs...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi, Moe.

Moe wrote:

Talking about hypocrite, we have a lot to learn from US of A.

Free Tibet, how about free those indians, wait, you killed them

all,

ripped them off, there is no one left to be freed.


Many thanks for your comments. It is good sometimes to express your
feelings, breathe out what is inside and breathe in something

healthy.

You are right that it is very difficult for many Americans to admit
that America has a long history, in the sense of several hundreds of
years, of very nasty behavious against the original inhabitants of

that

land.

Of course, not all the Native Americans are dead, and a lot were

killed

by the White immigrants, and a lot of really bad stuff happened.
History, what happened in the past, contains a lot of very bad stuff.
There is some good stuff, too. It's not all terrible.

How about free
california, free louisana, the land used to belong to Mexico? How

about

free Hawaii, you poisoned their king, but their people are still

there?

How about stop threaten little countries like Venezuela just

because

they import some riffles and not willing to sell oil to us of a?

Pay

the vet namese who are still suffering from agent orange? I was

brain

washed by the communist who said in the states, all niggers are
beggers, that was totally wrong, the fact is all beggers are

niggers.

What exactly is your history book telling you makes you feel so not
hypocritical to blame other people?

Talking about ww2, we have been fighting the japanese since 1931.

You

have been providing japanese everything including oil, steel and

other

materials until 1941, you made a good fortune from both sides, and

you

still have the guts saying you were the allies?


It seems to be a fact that the government in England in the 1800s
decided to allow English businessmen to sell weapons directly to
countries at war with England, so English soldiers were being killed

in

battle by English weapons. The English government decided that the
profit made by its businessmen was more important than the lives of
some English soldiers. This is one of the bad things in history,

along

with a lot of other stuff. Now American businessmen are selling
weapons.

You know, I hope, that perhaps the worst thing in history is that
people are able to behave like dolls and let others move them around
and sell them weapons and get them to fight against one another. Now
that human beings have gone into space, the small size of this planet
has become clear. Now that there is an Internet, immediate
communication can occur around this small planet. Now anyone with

open

eyes can see that there is no reason to talk about "We fighting the
Japanese" or anyone else, except in history books. Humans are growing
up and learning that they live in one country the size of their

planet.



The head of the
notorious Unit 731 who test their bio-chemical weapons on thousands

of

people, was pardoned by US of A after the war because you need his

test

results. I guess that is not in your history book coz that would

not

make sense you know something about it and still call yourself an

ally.

Those who are the same kind of despicable being as sold weapons to

kill

their own countrymen in the 1800s now would like to make money from
weapons that will kill other human beings. I advise these regretable
entities to produce, present and distribute more beneficial goods. I
advise you and everyone else being stirred up by such malignant

beings

to stop letting other people move you around like dolls. It is not
today a question of allies and enemies. This is the day to realize

that

everyone living on this little planet is your fellow citizens.

we learned our lesson after ww2, when people who said they are

trying

to liberate us, give us freedom, don't believe them, load you gun

and

if they dare come closer, shoot them.


No guns are necessary. These and more expensive weapons are being
produced by American weapons manufacturers who want to make money by
causing wars all over the world. Don't buy their stuff. Don't listen

to

their advertising propaganda. Whatever anyone says about the bad

stuff

that happened understand that now humans have gone into space and

seen

that this planet is one country. There is no need for this country to
fight against itself. This simple wisdom is freedom. Ignorance of

this

wisdom is slavery.

Be well, Michael

.



User: "bob young"

Title: Re: China / Japan 27 Apr 2005 05:33:01 AM
Moe wrote:

Talking about hypocrite, we have a lot to learn from US of A.

Free Tibet, how about free those indians, wait, you killed them all,
ripped them off, there is no one left to be freed. How about free
california, free louisana, the land used to belong to Mexico? How about
free Hawaii, you poisoned their king, but their people are still there?
How about stop threaten little countries like Venezuela just because
they import some riffles and not willing to sell oil to us of a? Pay
the vet namese who are still suffering from agent orange? I was brain
washed by the communist who said in the states, all niggers are
beggers, that was totally wrong, the fact is all beggers are niggers.
What exactly is your history book telling you makes you feel so not
hypocritical to blame other people?

Talking about ww2, we have been fighting the japanese since 1931. You
have been providing japanese everything including oil, steel and other
materials until 1941, you made a good fortune from both sides, and you
still have the guts saying you were the allies? The head of the
notorious Unit 731 who test their bio-chemical weapons on thousands of
people, was pardoned by US of A after the war because you need his test
results. I guess that is not in your history book coz that would not
make sense you know something about it and still call yourself an ally.

we learned our lesson after ww2, when people who said they are trying
to liberate us, give us freedom, don't believe them, load you gun and
if they dare come closer, shoot them....

....and when the fighting was over [fighting started by Emperor Hirohito]
the Americans helped Japan to become one of the worlds most affluent and
progressive countries.
America is the most cosmopolitan nation on this planet and possibly the
free-est. Which nation would the above writer like to become the 'worlds
most powerful in place of the USA?
Like to be under the heel of Comminism for the next fifty years?
You sound like the 'typical Brit.' to me, who has never been farther from
home than Cleethorpes!
Bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong Kong



Ernest Schaal wrote:

in article 1114288309.908124.197640@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, Moe

at

pilgrims200iii@yahoo.com wrote on 4/24/05 5:31 AM:

I would like to remind my american friends, we did not nuke japan,

you

did. We did not burned tokoyo to ashes, you did. And japanese

people

remembered that. You probably think they are totally westernized

and

just a SOB of yours. Just wait and see.

The thing you don't know behind the curtain is that they still

worship

those people who bombed pearl harbor, they still hornor those war
criminals who killed tens of thousands of GIs on the pasific

ilands.

Every august 5th, they called up hundreds of thousands of people

to

morn the people killed in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and they

don't

think they deserve that.

To those who always brought up tibet and xinjiang, I say ***** you.

How

about we anihillate 99% of the tibetians and leave the rest the

right

to open casinos in some remote reserved land?


There is an old saying in America about people living in glass houses

should

not throw stones. Well, China is distorting history in their

textbooks and

then complains Japan doing the same thing. You really shouldn't be

surprised

that you got called on your hypocrisy. Don't be such a bitter

hypocrite.


Yes we did bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It was essential to ending

the war.

Remember that China, by itself was incapable of throwing out the

Japanese

army. The Japanese army was thrown out of China by the Allies.

.

User: "Ernest Schaal"

Title: Re: China / Japan 24 Apr 2005 02:43:24 AM
in article 1114299689.180508.202030@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, Moe at
pilgrims200iii@yahoo.com wrote on 4/24/05 8:41 AM:

Talking about hypocrite, we have a lot to learn from US of A.

Free Tibet, how about free those indians, wait, you killed them all, ripped
them off, there is no one left to be freed. How about free california, free
louisana, the land used to belong to Mexico? How about free Hawaii, you
poisoned their king, but their people are still there? How about stop threaten
little countries like Venezuela just because they import some riffles and not
willing to sell oil to us of a? Pay the vet namese who are still suffering
from agent orange? I was brain washed by the communist who said in the states,
all niggers are beggers, that was totally wrong, the fact is all beggers are
niggers. What exactly is your history book telling you makes you feel so not
hypocritical to blame other people?

The big difference, of course, is that Americans are well aware of the fact
that Indians were killed. In grade school we learned about the "Trail of
Tears"
By the way, your use of the word "*****" and your statement about all
"beggers are niggers" shows that you are an uniformed racist. There are a
whole lot more white people begging on the street than there are
African-American begging on the street. Most of our beggars are mentally ill
and/or addicts.
As to what exactly makes me thing you are hypocritical to blame other people
is that you are guilty of the same type of crimes for which you criticize
others.

Talking about ww2, we have been fighting the japanese since 1931. You have
been providing japanese everything including oil, steel and other materials
until 1941, you made a good fortune from both sides, and you still have the
guts saying you were the allies? The head of the notorious Unit 731 who test
their bio-chemical weapons on thousands of people, was pardoned by US of A
after the war because you need his test results. I guess that is not in your
history book coz that would not make sense you know something about it and
still call yourself an ally.

You may have been fighting the Japanese since 1931, but you had not very
successful. If it weren't for the Allies, you would either still be fighting
them or you would have given up.

we learned our lesson after ww2, when people who said they are trying to
liberate us, give us freedom, don't believe them, load you gun and if they
dare come closer, shoot them.

And we learned that it does no good to help your country, because they are
so full of self-esteem problems that they hate the rescuers.
.
User: "bob young"

Title: Re: China / Japan 27 Apr 2005 05:50:02 AM
Ernest Schaal wrote:

in article 1114299689.180508.202030@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, Moe at
pilgrims200iii@yahoo.com wrote on 4/24/05 8:41 AM:

Talking about hypocrite, we have a lot to learn from US of A.

Free Tibet, how about free those indians, wait, you killed them all, ripped
them off, there is no one left to be freed. How about free california, free
louisana, the land used to belong to Mexico? How about free Hawaii, you
poisoned their king, but their people are still there? How about stop threaten
little countries like Venezuela just because they import some riffles and not
willing to sell oil to us of a? Pay the vet namese who are still suffering
from agent orange? I was brain washed by the communist who said in the states,
all niggers are beggers, that was totally wrong, the fact is all beggers are
niggers. What exactly is your history book telling you makes you feel so not
hypocritical to blame other people?


The big difference, of course, is that Americans are well aware of the fact
that Indians were killed. In grade school we learned about the "Trail of
Tears"

By the way, your use of the word "*****" and your statement about all
"beggers are niggers" shows that you are an uniformed racist. There are a
whole lot more white people begging on the street than there are
African-American begging on the street. Most of our beggars are mentally ill
and/or addicts.

As to what exactly makes me thing you are hypocritical to blame other people
is that you are guilty of the same type of crimes for which you criticize
others.

Talking about ww2, we have been fighting the japanese since 1931. You have
been providing japanese everything including oil, steel and other materials
until 1941, you made a good fortune from both sides, and you still have the
guts saying you were the allies? The head of the notorious Unit 731 who test
their bio-chemical weapons on thousands of people, was pardoned by US of A
after the war because you need his test results. I guess that is not in your
history book coz that would not make sense you know something about it and
still call yourself an ally.


You may have been fighting the Japanese since 1931, but you had not very
successful. If it weren't for the Allies, you would either still be fighting
them or you would have given up.

we learned our lesson after ww2, when people who said they are trying to
liberate us, give us freedom, don't believe them, load you gun and if they
dare come closer, shoot them.


And we learned that it does no good to help your country, because they are
so full of self-esteem problems that they hate the rescuers.

I have yet to meet a Chinese who is 'communist at heart', although there are a
few. No more liberal freedom loving folks live on this planet, but they are stuck
with their government, for better or worse.
The Chinese in Hong Kong for over a hundred years showed the world what they could
do under rule of law, free press, free ownership of property etc., etc.,. One day,
if China gets this kind of government 'watch out world' as ninetey percent of what
you buy will be 'Made in China'.
I often told my Japanese business partners they should have erected a statue of Mau
Tse Tung in Tokyo to show their gratitude to him for giving them over sixty years
without competition from the massive work force in China. At long last it is
changing and the future is, at best,
...........ONE HUGE QUESTION MARK
Bob
Humanist Brit.
Honmg Kong
.

User: "Moe"

Title: Re: China / Japan 24 Apr 2005 04:54:07 AM
First, thanks for the information.
FYI, we were told what happened during the years great leaps, culture
revolution, we know what happened, and we know we paid terrible price.
We did it to ourselves, and that won't happen again. So I don't see why
you use "big" to mark the difference.
On the other hand, I did not invent the racial slur, because it is
English. Can't you tell the sarcastic stuff? I have been living in the
states for 8 years, and I know what is going on in your mind when you
call black people "African American".
I used to give them one dollar or 2 during the first year, now I
stopped, I was told they are mentally ill and going to buy drugs by my
white friends.
Again ww2, of course we were not very successful, we have been robbed
again and again for half a centry by westerners before ww2, which I
have to say including US of A. But we don't want to end up in some
textbook or museum labeled land of tears kind of thing, so give was not
in our minds for a second. We were going to fight as long as it took.
I think you and I have a different idea of the word help, you bought a
tea pot from walmart does not mean walmart helped to get the tea pot.
We paid every cent for the stuff we got from usa. You fight japanese
because they attacked you, they killed 300,000 people in Nanjing, that
was the year of 1937, we need help then.
Ernest Schaal wrote:

in article 1114299689.180508.202030@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, Moe

at

pilgrims200iii@yahoo.com wrote on 4/24/05 8:41 AM:

Talking about hypocrite, we have a lot to learn from US of A.

Free Tibet, how about free those indians, wait, you killed them

all, ripped

them off, there is no one left to be freed. How about free

california, free

louisana, the land used to belong to Mexico? How about free Hawaii,

you

poisoned their king, but their people are still there? How about

stop threaten

little countries like Venezuela just because they import some

riffles and not

willing to sell oil to us of a? Pay the vet namese who are still

suffering

from agent orange? I was brain washed by the communist who said in

the states,

all niggers are beggers, that was totally wrong, the fact is all

beggers are

niggers. What exactly is your history book telling you makes you

feel so not

hypocritical to blame other people?


The big difference, of course, is that Americans are well aware of

the fact

that Indians were killed. In grade school we learned about the "Trail

of

Tears"

By the way, your use of the word "*****" and your statement about

all

"beggers are niggers" shows that you are an uniformed racist. There

are a

whole lot more white people begging on the street than there are
African-American begging on the street. Most of our beggars are

mentally ill

and/or addicts.

As to what exactly makes me thing you are hypocritical to blame other

people

is that you are guilty of the same type of crimes for which you

criticize

others.

Talking about ww2, we have been fighting the japanese since 1931.

You have

been providing japanese everything including oil, steel and other

materials

until 1941, you made a good fortune from both sides, and you still

have the

guts saying you were the allies? The head of the notorious Unit 731

who test

their bio-chemical weapons on thousands of people, was pardoned by

US of A

after the war because you need his test results. I guess that is

not in your

history book coz that would not make sense you know something about

it and

still call yourself an ally.


You may have been fighting the Japanese since 1931, but you had not

very

successful. If it weren't for the Allies, you would either still be

fighting

them or you would have given up.

we learned our lesson after ww2, when people who said they are

trying to

liberate us, give us freedom, don't believe them, load you gun and

if they

dare come closer, shoot them.


And we learned that it does no good to help your country, because

they are

so full of self-esteem problems that they hate the rescuers.

.
User: "bob young"

Title: Re: China / Japan 27 Apr 2005 05:53:03 AM
Moe wrote:

First, thanks for the information.

FYI, we were told what happened during the years great leaps, culture
revolution, we know what happened, and we know we paid terrible price.
We did it to ourselves, and that won't happen again. So I don't see why
you use "big" to mark the difference.

On the other hand, I did not invent the racial slur, because it is
English. Can't you tell the sarcastic stuff? I have been living in the
states for 8 years, and I know what is going on in your mind when you
call black people "African American".
I used to give them one dollar or 2 during the first year, now I
stopped, I was told they are mentally ill and going to buy drugs by my
white friends.

Again ww2, of course we were not very successful, we have been robbed
again and again for half a centry by westerners before ww2, which I
have to say including US of A. But we don't want to end up in some
textbook or museum labeled land of tears kind of thing, so give was not
in our minds for a second. We were going to fight as long as it took.

I think you and I have a different idea of the word help, you bought a
tea pot from walmart does not mean walmart helped to get the tea pot.
We paid every cent for the stuff we got from usa. You fight japanese
because they attacked you, they killed 300,000 people in Nanjing, that
was the year of 1937, we need help then.

I would go along with most of that.
Bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong Kong



Ernest Schaal wrote:

in article 1114299689.180508.202030@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, Moe

at

pilgrims200iii@yahoo.com wrote on 4/24/05 8:41 AM:

Talking about hypocrite, we have a lot to learn from US of A.

Free Tibet, how about free those indians, wait, you killed them

all, ripped

them off, there is no one left to be freed. How about free

california, free

louisana, the land used to belong to Mexico? How about free Hawaii,

you

poisoned their king, but their people are still there? How about

stop threaten

little countries like Venezuela just because they import some

riffles and not

willing to sell oil to us of a? Pay the vet namese who are still

suffering

from agent orange? I was brain washed by the communist who said in

the states,

all niggers are beggers, that was totally wrong, the fact is all

beggers are

niggers. What exactly is your history book telling you makes you

feel so not

hypocritical to blame other people?


The big difference, of course, is that Americans are well aware of

the fact

that Indians were killed. In grade school we learned about the "Trail

of

Tears"

By the way, your use of the word "*****" and your statement about

all

"beggers are niggers" shows that you are an uniformed racist. There

are a

whole lot more white people begging on the street than there are
African-American begging on the street. Most of our beggars are

mentally ill

and/or addicts.

As to what exactly makes me thing you are hypocritical to blame other

people

is that you are guilty of the same type of crimes for which you

criticize

others.

Talking about ww2, we have been fighting the japanese since 1931.

You have

been providing japanese everything including oil, steel and other

materials

until 1941, you made a good fortune from both sides, and you still

have the

guts saying you were the allies? The head of the notorious Unit 731

who test

their bio-chemical weapons on thousands of people, was pardoned by

US of A

after the war because you need his test results. I guess that is

not in your

history book coz that would not make sense you know something about

it and

still call yourself an ally.


You may have been fighting the Japanese since 1931, but you had not

very

successful. If it weren't for the Allies, you would either still be

fighting

them or you would have given up.

we learned our lesson after ww2, when people who said they are

trying to

liberate us, give us freedom, don't believe them, load you gun and

if they

dare come closer, shoot them.


And we learned that it does no good to help your country, because

they are

so full of self-esteem problems that they hate the rescuers.

.

User: "Ernest Schaal"

Title: Re: China / Japan 24 Apr 2005 10:50:05 AM
in article 1114318447.239608.297010@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, Moe at
pilgrims200iii@yahoo.com wrote on 4/24/05 1:54 PM:

First, thanks for the information.

FYI, we were told what happened during the years great leaps, culture
revolution, we know what happened, and we know we paid terrible price.
We did it to ourselves, and that won't happen again. So I don't see why
you use "big" to mark the difference.

On the other hand, I did not invent the racial slur, because it is
English. Can't you tell the sarcastic stuff? I have been living in the
states for 8 years, and I know what is going on in your mind when you
call black people "African American".

No you didn't invent the racial slur, but you sure use it in a way that
leads one to believe you actually believe that nonsense. As to your guess
about what I have in my mind, I seriously doubt that you would know, since
your message drips with racism.

I used to give them one dollar or 2 during the first year, now I
stopped, I was told they are mentally ill and going to buy drugs by my
white friends.

You never noticed the white beggars?

Again ww2, of course we were not very successful, we have been robbed
again and again for half a centry by westerners before ww2, which I
have to say including US of A. But we don't want to end up in some
textbook or museum labeled land of tears kind of thing, so give was not
in our minds for a second. We were going to fight as long as it took.

I think you and I have a different idea of the word help, you bought a
tea pot from walmart does not mean walmart helped to get the tea pot.
We paid every cent for the stuff we got from usa. You fight japanese
because they attacked you, they killed 300,000 people in Nanjing, that
was the year of 1937, we need help then.

It was not only economic help, it was also military help. Yes, the Chinese
fought the Japanese, but they weren't winning, and it is doubtful if they
ever would have won by themselves. Of course, I realize that Chinese
textbooks teach otherwise, but the Japanese were winning against the
Chinese.
.
User: "bob young"

Title: Re: China / Japan 27 Apr 2005 05:59:02 AM
Ernest Schaal wrote:

in article 1114318447.239608.297010@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, Moe at
pilgrims200iii@yahoo.com wrote on 4/24/05 1:54 PM:

First, thanks for the information.

FYI, we were told what happened during the years great leaps, culture
revolution, we know what happened, and we know we paid terrible price.
We did it to ourselves, and that won't happen again. So I don't see why
you use "big" to mark the difference.

On the other hand, I did not invent the racial slur, because it is
English. Can't you tell the sarcastic stuff? I have been living in the
states for 8 years, and I know what is going on in your mind when you
call black people "African American".


No you didn't invent the racial slur, but you sure use it in a way that
leads one to believe you actually believe that nonsense. As to your guess
about what I have in my mind, I seriously doubt that you would know, since
your message drips with racism.

I used to give them one dollar or 2 during the first year, now I
stopped, I was told they are mentally ill and going to buy drugs by my
white friends.


You never noticed the white beggars?

Again ww2, of course we were not very successful, we have been robbed
again and again for half a centry by westerners before ww2, which I
have to say including US of A. But we don't want to end up in some
textbook or museum labeled land of tears kind of thing, so give was not
in our minds for a second. We were going to fight as long as it took.

I think you and I have a different idea of the word help, you bought a
tea pot from walmart does not mean walmart helped to get the tea pot.
We paid every cent for the stuff we got from usa. You fight japanese
because they attacked you, they killed 300,000 people in Nanjing, that
was the year of 1937, we need help then.


It was not only economic help, it was also military help. Yes,