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27 Mar 2005 11:47:55 AM |
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China Gives America a D |
China Gives America a D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/weekinreview/27word.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By PETER EDIDIN
China's assessment of America's human rights record is an indictment,
and draws a picture of the U.S. that approaches caricature.
(US OR USA OR America OR Meiguo) (China OR Chinese OR Sino OR Sinica OR
Zhongguo)
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China
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/d3294ecc38a6a57d
Meiguo
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/5d15a39aa684d25d
Is the wakening giant a monster?
http://tinyurl.com/iws6
A Blueprint for the Future
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: China Gives America a D |
27 Mar 2005 11:07:41 PM |
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On 27 Mar 2005 03:47:55 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> thought hard
and said:
China Gives America a D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/weekinreview/27word.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By PETER EDIDIN
China's assessment of America's human rights record is an indictment,
and draws a picture of the U.S. that approaches caricature.
China is one to lecture about human rights.
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "maff" |
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28 Mar 2005 07:45:36 AM |
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Daniel Kolle wrote:
On 27 Mar 2005 03:47:55 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> thought hard
and said:
China Gives America a D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/weekinreview/27word.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By PETER EDIDIN
China's assessment of America's human rights record is an
indictment,
and draws a picture of the U.S. that approaches caricature.
China is one to lecture about human rights.
So Confederates, Klan and the Christian fundamentalists are going to do
the lecturing?
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr
Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: China Gives America a D |
28 Mar 2005 10:45:30 PM |
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On 27 Mar 2005 23:45:36 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> thought hard
and said:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On 27 Mar 2005 03:47:55 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> thought hard
and said:
China Gives America a D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/weekinreview/27word.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By PETER EDIDIN
China's assessment of America's human rights record is an
indictment,
and draws a picture of the U.S. that approaches caricature.
China is one to lecture about human rights.
So Confederates, Klan and the Christian fundamentalists are going to do
the lecturing?
What is it with you and your obsession over "Confederates, Klan and
the Christian fundamentalists?" Can you not come with something else?
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "maff" |
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29 Mar 2005 07:44:41 AM |
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Daniel Kolle wrote:
On 27 Mar 2005 23:45:36 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> thought hard
and said:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On 27 Mar 2005 03:47:55 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> thought
hard
and said:
China Gives America a D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/weekinreview/27word.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By PETER EDIDIN
China's assessment of America's human rights record is an
indictment,
and draws a picture of the U.S. that approaches caricature.
China is one to lecture about human rights.
So Confederates, Klan and the Christian fundamentalists are going to
do
the lecturing?
What is it with you and your obsession over "Confederates, Klan and
the Christian fundamentalists?" Can you not come with something else?
Are you denying that bulk of ofhe Confederates, Klan and the Christian
fundamentalists are Bush supporters?
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr
Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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31 Mar 2005 12:39:29 AM |
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On 28 Mar 2005 23:44:41 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> thought hard
and said:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On 27 Mar 2005 23:45:36 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> thought hard
and said:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On 27 Mar 2005 03:47:55 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> thought
hard
and said:
China Gives America a D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/weekinreview/27word.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By PETER EDIDIN
China's assessment of America's human rights record is an
indictment,
and draws a picture of the U.S. that approaches caricature.
China is one to lecture about human rights.
So Confederates, Klan and the Christian fundamentalists are going to
do
the lecturing?
What is it with you and your obsession over "Confederates, Klan and
the Christian fundamentalists?" Can you not come with something else?
Are you denying that bulk of ofhe Confederates, Klan and the Christian
fundamentalists are Bush supporters?
Are most Bush supporters Confederates, Klansmen or Christian
fundamentalists?
Good things, when short, are twice as good.
--Baltasar Gracian, The Art of Worldly Wisdom
It is with words as with sunbeams. The more they are condensed, the deeper they burn.
--Robert Southey
It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what other men say in whole books - what other men do not say in whole books.
--Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, Twilight of the Idols
Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit,
And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes,
I will be brief.
--William Shakespeare, Hamlet
The most valuable of all talents is that of never using two words when one will do.
--Thomas Jefferson
The vast majority of human beings are not interested in reason or satisfied with what it teaches.
--Aldous Huxley
He is a true fugitive who flies from reason.
--Marcus Aurelius
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
--Douglas Adams
The Framers of the Bill of Rights did not purport to "create" rights. Rather, they designed the Bill of Rights to prohibit our Government from infringing rights and liberties presumed to be preexisting.
--Justice William J. Brennan, 1982
Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.
--Abraham Lincoln
I hold it to be the inalienable right of anybody to go to hell in his own way.
--Robert Frost
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical.
--Niels Bohr
The last time anybody made a list of the top hundred character attributes of New Yorkers, common sense snuck in at number 79.
--Douglas Adams
Logic is one thing and commonsense another.
--Elbert Hubbard, The Note Book, 1927
Eighteen holes of match or medal play will teach you more about your foe than will 18 years of dealing with him across a desk.
--Grantland Rice
Golf is so popular simply because it is the best game in the world at which to be bad.
--A.A. Milne
Golf is like an 18-year-old girl with big boobs. You know it's wrong but you can't keep away from her.
--Val Doonican
Golf is a lot of walking, broken up by disappointment and bad arithmetic.
--Author Unknown
Golf is a day spent in a round of strenuous idleness.
--William Wordsworth
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
--Winston Churchill
If people behaved like governments, you'd call the cops.
--Kelvin Throop
Though I believe in liberalism, I find it difficult to believe in liberals.
--G.K. Chesterton
Democracy: The state of affairs in which you consent to having your pocket picked, and elect the best man to do it.
--Benjamin Lichtenberg
Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
--P.J. O'Rourke
If all the economists were laid end to end, they'd never reach a conclusion.
--George Bernard Shaw
Everyone, in his own interest, must thrust himself vigorously into the intellectual battle.
--Ludwig von Mises
We need vastly more freedom than we do regulation.
--Warren G. Harding
Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an
intellectual could ignore or evade it.
--Thomas Sowell
One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you
end up being governed by your inferiors.
--Plato
I have come to the conclusion that politics are too serious a matter to be left to the politicians.
--Charles De Gaulle
We'd all like to vote for the best man, but he's never a candidate.
--Frank McKinney "Kin" Hubbard
I think it's about time we voted for senators with breasts. After all, we've been voting for boobs long enough.
--Clarie Sargent, Arizona senatorial candidate
When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it.
--Clarence Darrow
We have, I fear, confus
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| User: "maff" |
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31 Mar 2005 07:50:40 AM |
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Daniel Kolle wrote:
On 28 Mar 2005 23:44:41 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> thought hard
and said:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On 27 Mar 2005 23:45:36 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> thought
hard
and said:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On 27 Mar 2005 03:47:55 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com>
thought
hard
and said:
China Gives America a D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/weekinreview/27word.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By PETER EDIDIN
China's assessment of America's human rights record is an
indictment,
and draws a picture of the U.S. that approaches caricature.
China is one to lecture about human rights.
So Confederates, Klan and the Christian fundamentalists are going
to
do
the lecturing?
What is it with you and your obsession over "Confederates, Klan
and
the Christian fundamentalists?" Can you not come with something
else?
Are you denying that bulk of ofhe Confederates, Klan and the
Christian
fundamentalists are Bush supporters?
Are most Bush supporters Confederates, Klansmen or Christian
fundamentalists?
Good things, when short, are twice as good.
--Baltasar Gracian, The Art of Worldly Wisdom
[...]
It still doesn't answer the question. Why did the exit polls show
overwhelming of the Confederates, Christian fundamentalists and
fascists supported Bush?
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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31 Mar 2005 10:19:54 PM |
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:39:29 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> thought hard and said:
<snip>
Damn! Sorry about the long .sig. I just now noticed the damn thing.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "" |
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28 Mar 2005 01:59:45 AM |
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Hi, Daniel.
Daniel Kolle wrote:
China is one to lecture about human rights.
Actually this is a return gift. First US lectured China about human
rights, then the favour was returned. Is there not a Biblical passage
that says one ought not talk about the splinter in his neighbour's eye
while he has a beam in his own? Perhaps each of them, China and the US,
can focus on enhancing conditions first in their own country before
continuing this exchange of gifts. US has a lot to do in the US, so
much, in my opinion, that, aside from strongly supporting the United
Nations, their international preoccupations could be very much reduced
to allow them enough time and effort to handle US problems.
Very Best Wishes, Michael
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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28 Mar 2005 02:54:11 AM |
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wrote in
news:1111975185.215786.102290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
Hi, Daniel.
Daniel Kolle wrote:
China is one to lecture about human rights.
Actually this is a return gift. First US lectured China about human
rights, then the favour was returned. Is there not a Biblical passage
that says one ought not talk about the splinter in his neighbour's eye
while he has a beam in his own? Perhaps each of them, China and the
US, can focus on enhancing conditions first in their own country
before continuing this exchange of gifts. US has a lot to do in the
US, so much, in my opinion, that, aside from strongly supporting the
United Nations, their international preoccupations could be very much
reduced to allow them enough time and effort to handle US problems.
Since the Chinese mostly listed facts provided by the US government, I'd
like to see the same statistics cited for China. What is their crime and
imprisonment rate, what are the conditions like in their prisons, what
is the status of political freedom and economic opportunity among the
average citizen, what is the social status of ethnic groups like the
Tibetans and other minority groups?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "maff" |
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28 Mar 2005 07:54:06 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
honghsien@gmail.com wrote in
news:1111975185.215786.102290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
Hi, Daniel.
Daniel Kolle wrote:
China is one to lecture about human rights.
Actually this is a return gift. First US lectured China about human
rights, then the favour was returned. Is there not a Biblical
passage
that says one ought not talk about the splinter in his neighbour's
eye
while he has a beam in his own? Perhaps each of them, China and the
US, can focus on enhancing conditions first in their own country
before continuing this exchange of gifts. US has a lot to do in the
US, so much, in my opinion, that, aside from strongly supporting
the
United Nations, their international preoccupations could be very
much
reduced to allow them enough time and effort to handle US problems.
Since the Chinese mostly listed facts provided by the US government,
I'd
like to see the same statistics cited for China. What is their crime
and
imprisonment rate, what are the conditions like in their prisons,
what
is the status of political freedom and economic opportunity among the
average citizen, what is the social status of ethnic groups like the
Tibetans and other minority groups?
Alan Winnington
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/feeb93adc186ea15
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "" |
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28 Mar 2005 02:02:03 PM |
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Hi, Fred.
Fred Stone wrote:
Since the Chinese mostly listed facts provided by the US government,
I'd
like to see the same statistics cited for China. What is their crime
and
imprisonment rate, what are the conditions like in their prisons,
what
is the status of political freedom and economic opportunity among the
average citizen, what is the social status of ethnic groups like the
Tibetans and other minority groups?
In my opinion, the best method to improve human rights record around
the world is to enhance the functioning of the United Nations. Thusly
does the global authority exert influence, instead of partisan and
competing segments of the human species engage in verbal exercises
criticizing performances of rivals.
Fred Stone
Very Best Wishes, Michael
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28 Mar 2005 02:32:02 PM |
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wrote in
news:1112018523.027330.236210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Hi, Fred.
Fred Stone wrote:
Since the Chinese mostly listed facts provided by the US government,
I'd like to see the same statistics cited for China. What is their
crime and imprisonment rate, what are the conditions like in their
prisons, what is the status of political freedom and economic
opportunity among the average citizen, what is the social status of
ethnic groups like the Tibetans and other minority groups?
I see that you have chosen to ignore the fact that China does not
publish those figures for their own society.
In my opinion, the best method to improve human rights record around
the world is to enhance the functioning of the United Nations. Thusly
does the global authority exert influence, instead of partisan and
competing segments of the human species engage in verbal exercises
criticizing performances of rivals.
Unfortunately for your argument, the UN does little else but engage in
partisan criticism. They have a dismal record of actual enforcement, and
in fact are under close scrutiny for corruption and abuse within their
own "peacekeeping" operations.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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28 Mar 2005 10:44:14 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:32:02 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
thought hard and said:
honghsien@gmail.com wrote in
news:1112018523.027330.236210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Hi, Fred.
Fred Stone wrote:
Since the Chinese mostly listed facts provided by the US government,
I'd like to see the same statistics cited for China. What is their
crime and imprisonment rate, what are the conditions like in their
prisons, what is the status of political freedom and economic
opportunity among the average citizen, what is the social status of
ethnic groups like the Tibetans and other minority groups?
I see that you have chosen to ignore the fact that China does not
publish those figures for their own society.
In my opinion, the best method to improve human rights record around
the world is to enhance the functioning of the United Nations. Thusly
does the global authority exert influence, instead of partisan and
competing segments of the human species engage in verbal exercises
criticizing performances of rivals.
Unfortunately for your argument, the UN does little else but engage in
partisan criticism. They have a dismal record of actual enforcement, and
in fact are under close scrutiny for corruption and abuse within their
own "peacekeeping" operations.
"Darfur is not genocide!"
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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28 Mar 2005 11:31:57 PM |
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Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
news:g52h41hco4anh50rjvt359bupgisbchupj@4ax.com:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:32:02 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
thought hard and said:
honghsien@gmail.com wrote in
news:1112018523.027330.236210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Hi, Fred.
Fred Stone wrote:
Since the Chinese mostly listed facts provided by the US
government, I'd like to see the same statistics cited for China.
What is their crime and imprisonment rate, what are the conditions
like in their prisons, what is the status of political freedom and
economic opportunity among the average citizen, what is the social
status of ethnic groups like the Tibetans and other minority
groups?
I see that you have chosen to ignore the fact that China does not
publish those figures for their own society.
In my opinion, the best method to improve human rights record around
the world is to enhance the functioning of the United Nations.
Thusly does the global authority exert influence, instead of
partisan and competing segments of the human species engage in
verbal exercises criticizing performances of rivals.
Unfortunately for your argument, the UN does little else but engage in
partisan criticism. They have a dismal record of actual enforcement,
and in fact are under close scrutiny for corruption and abuse within
their own "peacekeeping" operations.
"Darfur is not genocide!"
"Boys will be boys."
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "maff" |
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29 Mar 2005 09:04:29 AM |
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Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:32:02 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
thought hard and said:
honghsien@gmail.com wrote in
news:1112018523.027330.236210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Hi, Fred.
Fred Stone wrote:
Since the Chinese mostly listed facts provided by the US
government,
I'd like to see the same statistics cited for China. What is
their
crime and imprisonment rate, what are the conditions like in
their
prisons, what is the status of political freedom and economic
opportunity among the average citizen, what is the social status
of
ethnic groups like the Tibetans and other minority groups?
I see that you have chosen to ignore the fact that China does not
publish those figures for their own society.
In my opinion, the best method to improve human rights record
around
the world is to enhance the functioning of the United Nations.
Thusly
does the global authority exert influence, instead of partisan and
competing segments of the human species engage in verbal exercises
criticizing performances of rivals.
Unfortunately for your argument, the UN does little else but engage
in
partisan criticism. They have a dismal record of actual enforcement,
and
in fact are under close scrutiny for corruption and abuse within
their
own "peacekeeping" operations.
"Darfur is not genocide!"
If Bush and Bushie fascist crusaders can get away killing and torture
Iraqis then why shouldn't Sudan be exempted as well?
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr
Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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27 Mar 2005 11:17:16 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:07:41 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Mar 2005 03:47:55 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> thought hard
and said:
China Gives America a D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/weekinreview/27word.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By PETER EDIDIN
China's assessment of America's human rights record is an indictment,
and draws a picture of the U.S. that approaches caricature.
China is one to lecture about human rights.
True.
The official "position" of CCCP has been "you do your
racial-segregation, we'll go beat up the Tibetans" whenever their
human rights records are mentioned. Not that one justifies the other-
China has had one of most horrible human rights record on the face of
this earth. but that has been the rhetoric.
Ronald Takaki, a history professor at UC Berkeley, points out that
part of the reason why the US switched its immigration policies from
"Whites only" to what it is today is because it was stung by the
Soviet rhetoric of a "rascist captalist" system and was losing the
propaganda war in Asia and Africa.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1527 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Jim Walsh" |
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28 Mar 2005 05:34:12 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:17:16 -0800, Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's
Cocaine Snorting ***** thought carefully and wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:07:41 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Mar 2005 03:47:55 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> thought hard
and said:
China Gives America a D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/weekinreview/27word.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By PETER EDIDIN
China's assessment of America's human rights record is an indictment,
and draws a picture of the U.S. that approaches caricature.
China is one to lecture about human rights.
True.
The official "position" of CCCP has been "you do your
racial-segregation, we'll go beat up the Tibetans" whenever their human
rights records are mentioned. Not that one justifies the other- China
has had one of most horrible human rights record on the face of this
earth. but that has been the rhetoric.
Ronald Takaki, a history professor at UC Berkeley, points out that part
of the reason why the US switched its immigration policies from "Whites
only" to what it is today is because it was stung by the Soviet rhetoric
of a "rascist captalist" system and was losing the propaganda war in
Asia and Africa.
Well said generally, but the end of the "whites only" policy occurred
before "it was stung". For example, my paternal ancestors are all Irish,
who came in the 1840s, and were not viewed, then, as "white".
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Love, Jim
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28 Mar 2005 06:11:34 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:34:12 +0800, Jim Walsh
<jiSPm_walAMsh_iii@oOKperamNOail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:17:16 -0800, Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's
Cocaine Snorting ***** thought carefully and wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:07:41 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Mar 2005 03:47:55 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> thought hard
and said:
China Gives America a D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/weekinreview/27word.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By PETER EDIDIN
China's assessment of America's human rights record is an indictment,
and draws a picture of the U.S. that approaches caricature.
China is one to lecture about human rights.
True.
The official "position" of CCCP has been "you do your
racial-segregation, we'll go beat up the Tibetans" whenever their human
rights records are mentioned. Not that one justifies the other- China
has had one of most horrible human rights record on the face of this
earth. but that has been the rhetoric.
Ronald Takaki, a history professor at UC Berkeley, points out that part
of the reason why the US switched its immigration policies from "Whites
only" to what it is today is because it was stung by the Soviet rhetoric
of a "rascist captalist" system and was losing the propaganda war in
Asia and Africa.
Well said generally, but the end of the "whites only" policy occurred
before "it was stung". For example, my paternal ancestors are all Irish,
who came in the 1840s, and were not viewed, then, as "white".
You are correct in that sense. On the other hand, Takaki was
specifically referring to Asians. The Asian Exclusionary Act [1] in
1882 put the clamp on Chinese migration into the US, an act that was
not nullified until well after WWII in 1965.
The Chinese Exclusion Act came about in part as a result of
raicial/economic tensions between the Irish and the Chinese because
they were at the time "competing" for the same kind of jobs- railroad
buidling, as represented by Dennis Kearny [2], an Irish immigrant
himself. This is not to say that All Irish had a vendetta against the
Chinese at that time (apparently there was a non-insignificant dissent
amongst the Irsh community against Kearny at that time, as I am
learning by a quick googling), but that was the prevailing political
dynamic at the time.
This is also the reason why it pisses me off to no end when my
conservative Chinese relatives talk about how gay people shouldn't get
married or how it is wrong for black people to marry white people
(yes, there are plenty of racist Chinese) . If bigotry is wrong
against you, then it is wrong against other people.
[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act_%28United_States%29
[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Kearney
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1527 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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28 Mar 2005 07:35:43 AM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:34:12 +0800, Jim Walsh
<jiSPm_walAMsh_iii@oOKperamNOail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:17:16 -0800, Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's
Cocaine Snorting ***** thought carefully and wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:07:41 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Mar 2005 03:47:55 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> thought
hard
and said:
China Gives America a D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/weekinreview/27word.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By PETER EDIDIN
China's assessment of America's human rights record is an
indictment,
and draws a picture of the U.S. that approaches caricature.
China is one to lecture about human rights.
True.
The official "position" of CCCP has been "you do your
racial-segregation, we'll go beat up the Tibetans" whenever their
human
rights records are mentioned. Not that one justifies the other-
China
has had one of most horrible human rights record on the face of
this
earth. but that has been the rhetoric.
Ronald Takaki, a history professor at UC Berkeley, points out that
part
of the reason why the US switched its immigration policies from
"Whites
only" to what it is today is because it was stung by the Soviet
rhetoric
of a "rascist captalist" system and was losing the propaganda war
in
Asia and Africa.
Well said generally, but the end of the "whites only" policy
occurred
before "it was stung". For example, my paternal ancestors are all
Irish,
who came in the 1840s, and were not viewed, then, as "white".
You are correct in that sense. On the other hand, Takaki was
specifically referring to Asians. The Asian Exclusionary Act [1] in
1882 put the clamp on Chinese migration into the US, an act that was
not nullified until well after WWII in 1965.
The Chinese Exclusion Act came about in part as a result of
raicial/economic tensions between the Irish and the Chinese because
they were at the time "competing" for the same kind of jobs- railroad
buidling, as represented by Dennis Kearny [2], an Irish immigrant
himself. This is not to say that All Irish had a vendetta against the
Chinese at that time (apparently there was a non-insignificant
dissent
amongst the Irsh community against Kearny at that time, as I am
learning by a quick googling), but that was the prevailing political
dynamic at the time.
This is also the reason why it pisses me off to no end when my
conservative Chinese relatives talk about how gay people shouldn't
get
married or how it is wrong for black people to marry white people
(yes, there are plenty of racist Chinese) . If bigotry is wrong
against you, then it is wrong against other people.
[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act_%28United_States%29
[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Kearney
Burlingame Treaty
http://www.google.com/search?tab=nw&q=%22Burlingame+Treaty%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Burlingame+Treaty%22&btnG=Google+Search&hl=en&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=%22Burlingame+Treaty%22&start=0&scoring=d&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
http://news.google.com/news?tab=gn&q=%22Burlingame%20Treaty%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
Chinese Exclusion
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=%22Chinese%20Exclusion%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wg
Chinese Exclusion (1898)
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/chinese_exclusion.html
Robert Green Ingersoll
The average American, like the average man of any country, has but
little imagination. People who speak a different language, or worship
some other god, or wear clothing unlike his own, are beyond the horizon
of his sympathy. He cares but little or nothing for the sufferings or
misfortunes of those who are of a different complexion or of another
race. His imagination is not powerful enough to recognize the human
being, in spite of peculiarities. Instead of this he looks upon every
difference as an evidence of inferiority, and for the inferior he has
but little if any feeling. If these "inferior people" claim equal
rights be feels insulted, and for the purpose of establishing his own
superiority tramples on the rights of the so-called, inferior.
In our own country the native has always considered himself as much
better than the immigrant, and as far superior to all people of a
different complexion. At one time our people hated the Irish, then the
Germans, then the Italians, and now the Chinese. The Irish and Germans,
however, became numerous. They became citizens, and, most important of
all, they had votes. They combined, became powerful, and the political
parties sought their aid. They had something to give in exchange for
protection -- in exchange for political rights. In consequence of this,
they were flattered by candidates, praised by the political press, and
became powerful enough not only to protect themselves, but at last to
govern the principal cities in the United States. As a matter of fact
the Irish and the Germans drove the native Americans out of the trades
and from the lower forms of labor. They built the railways and canals.
They became servants. Afterward the Irish and the Germans were driven
from the canals and railways by the Italians.
Robert Ingersoll
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Robert+Ingersoll&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Robert+Ingersoll&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Robert%20Ingersoll&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
http://news.google.com/news?q=Robert%20Ingersoll&num=100&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wn
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka
aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and
counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1527 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and
mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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27 Mar 2005 04:42:08 PM |
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On 27 Mar 2005 03:47:55 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
China Gives America a D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/weekinreview/27word.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By PETER EDIDIN
China's assessment of America's human rights record is an indictment,
and draws a picture of the U.S. that approaches caricature.
(US OR USA OR America OR Meiguo) (China OR Chinese OR Sino OR Sinica OR
Zhongguo)
http://news.google.com/news?tab=gn&q=(US%20OR%20USA%20OR%20America%20OR%20Meiguo)%20(China%20OR%20Chinese%20OR%20Sino%20OR%20Sinica%20OR%20Zhongguo)&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
http://www.google.com/search?tab=nw&q=(US+OR+USA+OR+America+OR+Meiguo)+(China+OR+Chinese+OR+Sino+OR+Sinica+OR+Zhongguo)&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=%28US+OR+USA+OR+America+OR+Meiguo%29+%28China+OR+Chinese+OR+Sino+OR+Sinica+OR+Zhongguo%29&btnG=Google+Search&hl=en&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=(US+OR+USA+OR+America+OR+Meiguo)+(China+OR+Chinese+OR+Sino+OR+Sinica+OR+Zhongguo)&start=0&scoring=d&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
China
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/d3294ecc38a6a57d
Meiguo
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/5d15a39aa684d25d
Is the wakening giant a monster?
http://tinyurl.com/iws6
A Blueprint for the Future
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f
"D" as for ***** ?
or "D" as for DORK ?
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| User: "Fuling" |
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27 Mar 2005 08:40:21 PM |
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US military kills civilian, women,children and babies everyday in
Iraq. The world should give America a F-.
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<1111924075.919511.92630@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
China Gives America a D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/weekinreview/27word.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By PETER EDIDIN
China's assessment of America's human rights record is an indictment,
and draws a picture of the U.S. that approaches caricature.
(US OR USA OR America OR Meiguo) (China OR Chinese OR Sino OR Sinica OR
Zhongguo)
http://news.google.com/news?tab=gn&q=(US%20OR%20USA%20OR%20America%20OR%20Meiguo)%20(China%20OR%20Chinese%20OR%20Sino%20OR%20Sinica%20OR%20Zhongguo)&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
http://www.google.com/search?tab=nw&q=(US+OR+USA+OR+America+OR+Meiguo)+(China+OR+Chinese+OR+Sino+OR+Sinica+OR+Zhongguo)&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=%28US+OR+USA+OR+America+OR+Meiguo%29+%28China+OR+Chinese+OR+Sino+OR+Sinica+OR+Zhongguo%29&btnG=Google+Search&hl=en&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=(US+OR+USA+OR+America+OR+Meiguo)+(China+OR+Chinese+OR+Sino+OR+Sinica+OR+Zhongguo)&start=0&scoring=d&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
China
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/d3294ecc38a6a57d
Meiguo
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/5d15a39aa684d25d
Is the wakening giant a monster?
http://tinyurl.com/iws6
A Blueprint for the Future
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f
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| User: "ltlee1" |
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27 Mar 2005 12:13:39 PM |
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maff wrote:
China Gives America a D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/weekinreview/27word.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By PETER EDIDIN
China's assessment of America's human rights record is an indictment,
and draws a picture of the U.S. that approaches caricature.
May be Peter Edidin should explain why he viewed China's assessment of
America's human rights situation appraching a caricature. The
assessment, as described by him in his article appears to be fair.
Perhaps this is the rub of things.
"The Declaration of Independence said all men are created equal, so the
gap between black and white people is simply an insult to the founding
essence of the United States." The Chinese who pen the assessment does
not understand that "all men are created equal" means "all men are
created equal except the colored people" in America.
In another words. China's assessment approaches caricature because many
inhumanities in America have existed since time immemorial to many
Americans and they are considered natural.
(US OR USA OR America OR Meiguo) (China OR Chinese OR Sino OR Sinica
OR
Zhongguo)
http://news.google.com/news?tab=gn&q=(US%20OR%20USA%20OR%20America%20OR%20Meiguo)%20(China%20OR%20Chinese%20OR%20Sino%20OR%20Sinica%20OR%20Zhongguo)&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
http://www.google.com/search?tab=nw&q=(US+OR+USA+OR+America+OR+Meiguo)+(China+OR+Chinese+OR+Sino+OR+Sinica+OR+Zhongguo)&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=%28US+OR+USA+OR+America+OR+Meiguo%29+%28China+OR+Chinese+OR+Sino+OR+Sinica+OR+Zhongguo%29&btnG=Google+Search&hl=en&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=(US+OR+USA+OR+America+OR+Meiguo)+(China+OR+Chinese+OR+Sino+OR+Sinica+OR+Zhongguo)&start=0&scoring=d&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
China
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/d3294ecc38a6a57d
Meiguo
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/5d15a39aa684d25d
Is the wakening giant a monster?
http://tinyurl.com/iws6
A Blueprint for the Future
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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27 Mar 2005 03:26:30 PM |
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"ltlee1" <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1111925619.120465.265680@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
maff wrote:
China Gives America a D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/weekinreview/27word.html?
pagewanted=a
ll&position=
By PETER EDIDIN
China's assessment of America's human rights record is an indictment,
and draws a picture of the U.S. that approaches caricature.
May be Peter Edidin should explain why he viewed China's assessment of
America's human rights situation appraching a caricature. The
assessment, as described by him in his article appears to be fair.
Perhaps this is the rub of things.
"The Declaration of Independence said all men are created equal, so
the gap between black and white people is simply an insult to the
founding essence of the United States." The Chinese who pen the
assessment does not understand that "all men are created equal" means
"all men are created equal except the colored people" in America.
It says they're created equal, not that they must remain equal.
We have equal opportunity not necessarily equal outcome.
In another words. China's assessment approaches caricature because
many inhumanities in America have existed since time immemorial to
many Americans and they are considered natural.
Nor does it require that other inhumanities be committed in order to
redress the original ones.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "Frank J Warner" |
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28 Mar 2005 01:12:37 AM |
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In article <1111937192.f76a53cdf859486013992899e1d67be2@teranews>, Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"ltlee1" <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1111925619.120465.265680@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
maff wrote:
China Gives America a D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/weekinreview/27word.html?
pagewanted=a
ll&position=
By PETER EDIDIN
China's assessment of America's human rights record is an indictment,
and draws a picture of the U.S. that approaches caricature.
May be Peter Edidin should explain why he viewed China's assessment of
America's human rights situation appraching a caricature. The
assessment, as described by him in his article appears to be fair.
Perhaps this is the rub of things.
"The Declaration of Independence said all men are created equal, so
the gap between black and white people is simply an insult to the
founding essence of the United States." The Chinese who pen the
assessment does not understand that "all men are created equal" means
"all men are created equal except the colored people" in America.
It says they're created equal, not that they must remain equal.
Well now. There's a fine distinction. Do we have case law upholding
that view? Dred Scott, perhaps? Jim Crow? Women's Suffrage? The Indian
Removal Act? PATRIOT II?
Remember that these were/are *official* government positions, not vague
cultural differences.
We have equal opportunity not necessarily equal outcome.
Who has more opportunities? The baby born in the Hamptons or the baby
born in Compton?
In another words. China's assessment approaches caricature because
many inhumanities in America have existed since time immemorial to
many Americans and they are considered natural.
Nor does it require that other inhumanities be committed in order to
redress the original ones.
Because you're white, educated, reasonably affluent. You got yours. No
need to allow others to get theirs, too.
-Frank
--
Here's some of my work:
http://www.franksknives.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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28 Mar 2005 02:42:28 AM |
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Frank J Warner <warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote in
news:270320051712372960%warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net:
In article <1111937192.f76a53cdf859486013992899e1d67be2@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"ltlee1" <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1111925619.120465.265680@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
maff wrote:
China Gives America a D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/weekinreview/27word.html?
pagewanted=a
ll&position=
By PETER EDIDIN
China's assessment of America's human rights record is an
indictment, and draws a picture of the U.S. that approaches
caricature.
May be Peter Edidin should explain why he viewed China's assessment
of America's human rights situation appraching a caricature. The
assessment, as described by him in his article appears to be fair.
Perhaps this is the rub of things.
"The Declaration of Independence said all men are created equal, so
the gap between black and white people is simply an insult to the
founding essence of the United States." The Chinese who pen the
assessment does not understand that "all men are created equal"
means "all men are created equal except the colored people" in
America.
It says they're created equal, not that they must remain equal.
Well now. There's a fine distinction. Do we have case law upholding
that view? Dred Scott, perhaps? Jim Crow?
Both overturned.
Women's Suffrage?
Implemented in the 1920's, IINM.
The Indian
Removal Act?
Obsoleted by time. No longer enforced anywhere.
PATRIOT II?
Non sequitur.
Remember that these were/are *official* government positions, not
vague cultural differences.
Mostly *were* not *are*.
We have equal opportunity not necessarily equal outcome.
Who has more opportunities? The baby born in the Hamptons or the baby
born in Compton?
Those are neither provided nor established by the government. Remember
that we are talking about *official* government positions, not cultural
differences.
In another words. China's assessment approaches caricature because
many inhumanities in America have existed since time immemorial to
many Americans and they are considered natural.
Nor does it require that other inhumanities be committed in order to
redress the original ones.
Because you're white, educated, reasonably affluent.
My family was below the poverty line. We barely scraped by and I
attended a state-supported university, not Yale.
You got yours.
I worked for mine.
No need to allow others to get theirs, too.
I'm perfectly willing to *allow* them to get theirs, as long as they
don't try to claim that *mine* are *theirs*.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "Frank J Warner" |
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28 Mar 2005 01:42:39 PM |
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In article <1111977885.798316ddbb32991da273ac1418ff343d@teranews>, Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Frank J Warner <warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote in
news:270320051712372960%warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net:
In article <1111937192.f76a53cdf859486013992899e1d67be2@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
It says they're created equal, not that they must remain equal.
Well now. There's a fine distinction. Do we have case law upholding
that view? Dred Scott, perhaps? Jim Crow?
Both overturned.
Women's Suffrage?
Implemented in the 1920's, IINM.
The Indian
Removal Act?
Obsoleted by time. No longer enforced anywhere.
Yes, but, in all three cases, the ending of these policies didn't do
the people they affected any real good, did it? Thousands of blacks,
women, native Americans and others were denied basic human rights by
official decree of the United States government.
PATRIOT II?
Non sequitur.
Not really. Major portikons of PATRIOT and its clones are little more
than legalized ways to circumvent human rights.
Remember that these were/are *official* government positions, not
vague cultural differences.
Mostly *were* not *are*.
Fred, the point is that the United States doesn't have a spotless human
rights record. Never did. Still doesn't. Isn't likely to any time in
the near future. Your Fox News fantasy about our supposed ethical and
moral superiority WRT human rights is just that: A fantasy.
-Frank
--
Here's some of my work:
http://www.franksknives.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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28 Mar 2005 02:19:14 PM |
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Frank J Warner <warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote in
news:280320050542390599%warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net:
In article <1111977885.798316ddbb32991da273ac1418ff343d@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Frank J Warner <warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote in
news:270320051712372960%warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net:
In article <1111937192.f76a53cdf859486013992899e1d67be2@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
It says they're created equal, not that they must remain equal.
Well now. There's a fine distinction. Do we have case law upholding
that view? Dred Scott, perhaps? Jim Crow?
Both overturned.
Women's Suffrage?
Implemented in the 1920's, IINM.
The Indian
Removal Act?
Obsoleted by time. No longer enforced anywhere.
Yes, but, in all three cases, the ending of these policies didn't do
the people they affected any real good, did it?
Of course it did. No, it's not perfect, but it's still better than it
was before.
Thousands of blacks,
women, native Americans and others were denied basic human rights by
official decree of the United States government.
And they are no longer denied those rights. Quite the contrary, those
groups are frequently given special privileges.
PATRIOT II?
Non sequitur.
Not really. Major portikons of PATRIOT and its clones are little more
than legalized ways to circumvent human rights.
Actually no. The PATRIOT Act merely codifies the rules by which police
surveillance may be conducted in terrorism cases to be similar to those
which they already used in drug and organized crime cases.
Remember that these were/are *official* government positions, not
vague cultural differences.
Mostly *were* not *are*.
Fred, the point is that the United States doesn't have a spotless
human rights record. Never did. Still doesn't.
So what? That's like saying that a recovering drug addict can't tell
anybody about how bad drug addiction is.
Isn't likely to any
time in the near future. Your Fox News fantasy about our supposed
ethical and moral superiority WRT human rights is just that: A
fantasy.
We don't have to be spotless to be morally superior to another country
which is quite a bit farther from spotless.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "ltlee1" |
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| Title: Re: China Gives America a D |
28 Mar 2005 01:41:35 AM |
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Frank J Warner wrote:
In article <1111937192.f76a53cdf859486013992899e1d67be2@teranews>,
Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"ltlee1" <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1111925619.120465.265680@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
maff wrote:
China Gives America a D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/weekinreview/27word.html?
pagewanted=a
ll&position=
By PETER EDIDIN
China's assessment of America's human rights record is an
indictment,
and draws a picture of the U.S. that approaches caricature.
May be Peter Edidin should explain why he viewed China's
assessment of
America's human rights situation appraching a caricature. The
assessment, as described by him in his article appears to be
fair.
Perhaps this is the rub of things.
"The Declaration of Independence said all men are created equal,
so
the gap between black and white people is simply an insult to the
founding essence of the United States." The Chinese who pen the
assessment does not understand that "all men are created equal"
means
"all men are created equal except the colored people" in America.
It says they're created equal, not that they must remain equal.
Well now. There's a fine distinction. Do we have case law upholding
that view? Dred Scott, perhaps? Jim Crow? Women's Suffrage? The
Indian
Removal Act? PATRIOT II?
Good point. The case law such as Dred Scott clearly indicated that
they're not created equal. The following is provided in case Mr. Fred
Stone hasn't heard of Dred Scott.
"The words "People of the United States" and "citizens" are synonymous
terms, and mean the same thing. . . . The question before us is,
whether the class of persons described in the [lawsuit] compose a
portion of this people . . . . We think they [do] not, and that they
are not included . . . under the word "citizens" in the Constitution.
.. . . On the contrary, they were at the time considered as a
subordinate and inferior class of beings, who had been subjugated by
the dominant race . . . and had no rights or privileges but such as
those who held the power and the Government might choose to grant
them."
-Chief Justice Roger Taney, in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 1857
Remember that these were/are *official* government positions, not
vague
cultural differences.
We have equal opportunity not necessarily equal outcome.
Who has more opportunities? The <a style='text-decoration: none;
border-bottom: 3px double;'
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&k=baby%20born"
onmouseover="window.status='baby born'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">baby born</a> in the
Hamptons or the baby
born in Compton?
In another words. China's assessment approaches caricature
because
many inhumanities in America have existed since time immemorial
to
many Americans and they are considered natural.
Nor does it require that other inhumanities be committed in order
to
redress the original ones.
Because you're white, educated, reasonably affluent. You got yours.
No
need to allow others to get theirs, too.
-Frank
--
Here's some of my work:
http://www.franksknives.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: China Gives America a D |
28 Mar 2005 02:46:12 AM |
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"ltlee1" <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1111974095.562183.58110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
Frank J Warner wrote:
In article <1111937192.f76a53cdf859486013992899e1d67be2@teranews>,
Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
<...>
It says they're created equal, not that they must remain equal.
Well now. There's a fine distinction. Do we have case law upholding
that view? Dred Scott, perhaps? Jim Crow? Women's Suffrage? The
Indian Removal Act? PATRIOT II?
Good point. The case law such as Dred Scott clearly indicated that
they're not created equal. The following is provided in case Mr. Fred
Stone hasn't heard of Dred Scott.
In case you weren't aware, Dred Scott has been overturned since the
middle of the 19th Century.
So if we're comparing against the Chinese, let's talk about political
and economic freedom in the Ming dynasty...
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "ltlee1" |
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| Title: Re: China Gives America a D |
28 Mar 2005 03:20:01 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"ltlee1" <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1111974095.562183.58110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
Frank J Warner wrote:
In article <1111937192.f76a53cdf859486013992899e1d67be2@teranews>,
Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
<...>
It says they're created equal, not that they must remain equal.
Well now. There's a fine distinction. Do we have case law
upholding
that view? Dred Scott, perhaps? Jim Crow? Women's Suffrage? The
Indian Removal Act? PATRIOT II?
Good point. The case law such as Dred Scott clearly indicated that
they're not created equal. The following is provided in case Mr.
Fred
Stone hasn't heard of Dred Scott.
In case you weren't aware, Dred Scott has been overturned since the
middle of the 19th Century.
Are you sure Dred Scott's case had been overturned? I think the
congress passed a bill banning slavery and Lincoln signed it.
Of course, the constitution was also ammended. But in reality, black
and other colored people were still created unequal in one form or
another. Do you remember Reagan's welfare Queen and Bush senior's
Willie Horton? Racial profiling had no long ago claimed Dr. Wen Ho Lee
as another victim.
So if we're comparing against the Chinese, let's talk about political
and economic freedom in the Ming dynasty...
Sure, why not?
Five hundred years is not that long if one is talking about history.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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