Fred Stone wrote:

Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote in
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Fred Stone wrote:

Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote in
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Fred Stone wrote:

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in
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On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:16:41 GMT in alt.atheism, Fred Stone (Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in
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On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 13:34:34 GMT in alt.atheism, Fred Stone
(Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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bg12345@apexmail.com wrote:

The Arch Atheist wrote:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGASA170492004?

open&of=ENG-

CHN

"In a bizarre holiday celebration several hundred
schoolchildren were taken to watch six men being sentenced
to death at a public sentencing rally, according to a
Chinese internet report."


I wonder if their parents had to sign a permission slip...
heh. I bet the US isn't far behind.

Whaddaya mean, "far behind"? The US once had public
hangings.

I've heaard people say they'd like to push the button.

It is a logical extension of the stupid idea that the penalty
is effective.

Oh, but it is effective. Every murderer who is executed will
never commit another murder.

True. But I think the problem is that the innocent who end up
getting executed won't have the opportunity in the first place,
which I suppose might constitute a really enthusiastic form of
crime prevention.

That calls for more attention to due process, not a declaration
that the death penalty is ineffective.

What do you think is an acceptable mistake rate where the death
penalty is concerned?

Zero. But I would not cease all executions or grant all condemned
murderers clemency for fear of making a mistake, any more than I
would release all prisoners from jail for fear of a wrongful
conviction.

Bunch of strawmen. Who's asking for clemency or the release of all
prisoners?

No straw, just a very telling analogy.

You can't revive an innocent person that was executed, but you can
release them when they are proven innocent.

You can't revive the victims of a serial killer either.

Non sequitur.

The death penalty is beneath a civilized country.

Explain to me in detail why this guy should live, assuming that he's
convicted. Be specific. Explain how the details of the crime that he
comitted contribute to, and support, your arguments.

http://www.newcriminologist.co.uk/news.asp?id=1014257241

He sure is a poster boy for your side, ain't he? ;-)

Yeah, I do know how to pick 'em.

If convicted, instincts would lead me to chop his head off, among
other things. But in a civilized country, it's better to lock him up
and throw away the key.

That should have happened the *first* time he was locked up. But some
bleeding heart let the ***** out. Thought he was "rehabilitated" or
some such nonsense.

No processes involving humans are perfect. There was a comparable
horror story in my neck of the woods a couple of years ago. A serial
rapist was paroled (too) early, then, as part of his "rehabilitation",
he was sent to work in a center for abused women! Next thing you know,
he raped and killed a woman who worked there.

A scandal followed, heads rolled,

and laws were changed.

So the question is this : what to do with serial rapists? Can they
ever be rehabilitated? I know that some can be (CNN had an interview
with one just after the capture of Couey), and some will never be.

There's no need for us to degrade ourselves to
his level.

You're assuming that a legal execution after due process degrades us
to the level of a serial sexual predator and killer.

Well, an execution is a ritualized, cold-blooded assassination.

Fred Stone wrote:

Yeah, I do know how to pick 'em.

If convicted, instincts would lead me to chop his head off, among
other things. But in a civilized country, it's better to lock him up
and throw away the key.

That should have happened the *first* time he was locked up. But some
bleeding heart let the ***** out. Thought he was "rehabilitated" or
some such nonsense.

In other words follow the law unless I don't like it.
Which is why the law is the way it is.

There's no need for us to degrade ourselves to
his level.

You're assuming that a legal execution after due process degrades us
to the level of a serial sexual predator and killer.

Yes, it does.

And I place people who want this done in public because they want to
watch right there with the people who stop at accidents to watch.
The only difference is that if the ones at the accdient get in the way
I can have them arrested.

Fred Stone wrote:

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:SQA3e.11749$zl.4023@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

Whaddaya mean, "far behind"? The US once had public hangings.

I've heaard people say they'd like to push the button.

It is a logical extension of the stupid idea that the penalty is
effective.

Oh, but it is effective. Every murderer who is executed will never
commit another murder.

How clever. Lets get back to the good old days when we hung people
for stealing.

Nice strawman you got there.

The idea behind watching executions and the execution itself is
supposed to be a deterrent to others. It is not and never has been.

And still more straw.

I stand corrected. Fred wants to watch people die just for fun.

Fred Stone wrote:

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:SQA3e.11749$zl.4023@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

Whaddaya mean, "far behind"? The US once had public hangings.

I've heaard people say they'd like to push the button.

It is a logical extension of the stupid idea that the penalty is
effective.

Oh, but it is effective. Every murderer who is executed will never
commit another murder.

How clever. Lets get back to the good old days when we hung people
for stealing.

Nice strawman you got there.

The idea behind watching executions and the execution itself is
supposed to be a deterrent to others. It is not and never has been.

And still more straw.

I stand corrected. Fred wants to watch people die just for fun.