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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "towelie"
Date: 27 Jan 2005 04:18:08 PM
Object: Chinese fascists brutalize funeral attendees
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1512&ncid=1512&e=12&u=/afp/20050127/wl_afp/chinatiananmenpoliticspetitioners_050127114011
BEIJING (AFP) - China has detained dozens of people, some of whom have been
severely beaten, for trying to mark the death of former leader Zhao Ziyang,
witnesses said.
The allegations came as the government intensified security to prevent
mourners attending Saturday's funeral in Beijing for Zhao, the former
Communist Party secretary general purged for opposing the 1989 military
crackdown on the Tiananmen democracy movement.
At least three people, including a woman in her 70s, were punched and
manhandled by police officers outside the government offices which receive
complaints in the Chinese capital, witnesses said.
They were among some 60 people who pinned white paper flowers to their
clothes, a traditional Chinese symbol of mourning, said a bystander who took
pictures of the beatings and posted them on overseas websites.
"A man from Henan province was beaten badly. His left eyeball looked like it
was beaten out of its socket and he had a one inch cut to his right eye,"
said the man who requested anonymity.
"An elderly woman from Shandong province was beaten to a point where she
couldn't move and a man from Hunan province was also beaten," he said.
Police shouted at the petitioners that Zhao, who spent nearly 16 years under
house arrest until his death last week, was a "political criminal," the
witness said.
"They said: 'Why are you commemorating him? You're clearly opposing the
government. But the petitioners said 'We think differently. We think he's a
good person."
Also last week, an estimated 80 to 90 petitioners were rounded up near
Zhao's traditional courtyard home in Beijing for trying to get inside to pay
respects and express condolences to his family, petitioners said.
"In our petitioners' hostel, all 10 people who went were detained and held
from from 9 am to 11 pm," said Bai Shuhua, one of the 10.
"In the police station, they said 'You don't seek leaders who are alive, but
insist on seeking dead leaders. How can the dead help you?" Bai said.
One of the petitioners, Liu Hongbo, was punched twice as he yelled "Zhao
didn't do anything wrong," Bai said.
Zhao, prime minister and head of the Communist Party for much of the 1980s,
died on January 17 at the age of 85.
The authorities fear his death and funeral on Saturday will be a rallying
point for dissidents, petitioners and people dissatisfied with the
government.
Zhao was purged for opposing the military crackdown on the 1989 Tiananmen
Square pro-democracy protests in which hundreds, if not thousands, were
killed.
China announced last week it would not hold memorial services for Zhao but
only a "farewell activity for the body," which is effectively a funeral.
In China it is common practice for bodies to be cremated rather than buried.
But family members and the government have been in dispute over the official
assessment of Zhao, the guest list and where his ashes should be placed.
These issues have yet to be resolved, a family friend told AFP, despite
agreement on the date for the funeral.
"The official assessment is still under discussion," said the friend, who
asked not to be identified.
Asked which government officials might attend to pay their respects, the
friend said: "It is still unclear."
Diplomatic sources told AFP last week that Premier Wen Jiabao paid a secret
visit to the man, who used to be his boss, two weeks before he died but
there was no word on whether he would attend the funeral.
Wen was famously pictured standing next to Zhao on Tiananmen Square in the
last photograph before he was purged and placed under house arrest.
The government labels Zhao a former official who made a "grave mistake" in
his handling of the Tiananmen protests, while acknowledging his
contributions towards economic reforms in the 1980s.
Zhao's family strongly objects to the words "grave mistake" being included
in an official assessment of his legacy.
Such an assessment is normally agreed with the family before the funeral. A
negative assessment could jeopardise the careers of the deceased's offspring
within the party or the government, although most of Zhao's five children
are in private business.
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Why does the US government allow trade with these human-rights abusing
monsters? I don't see how Saddam's regime was any worse than the current
Chinese government.
--
"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
ap #19
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User: "rj"

Title: Re: Chinese fascists brutalize funeral attendees 27 Jan 2005 06:05:37 PM
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in news:35t7ktF4phf9sU1
@individual.net:



Why does the US government allow trade with these human-rights abusing
monsters? I don't see how Saddam's regime was any worse than the current
Chinese government.

Putting people through a tree chipper/shredder is worse. If Saddam liked his
victim he would have them put in head first otherwise it was feet first.
rj
.

User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Chinese fascists brutalize funeral attendees 28 Jan 2005 11:56:36 PM
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:18:08 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
said in alt.atheism:

Why does the US government allow trade with these human-rights abusing
monsters?

Profit.

I don't see how Saddam's regime was any worse than the current
Chinese government.

He stood up to us.
--
"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
.

User: "duke"

Title: Re: Chinese fascists brutalize funeral attendees 29 Jan 2005 08:00:12 AM
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:18:08 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
Chinese fascists?
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
.

User: "FreeThink"

Title: Re: Chinese fascists brutalize funeral attendees 29 Jan 2005 12:17:17 AM
towelie wrote:


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1512&ncid=1512&e=12&u=/afp/20050127/wl_afp/chinatiananmenpoliticspetitioners_050127114011


BEIJING (AFP) - China has detained dozens of people, some of whom

have been

severely beaten, for trying to mark the death of former leader Zhao

Ziyang,

witnesses said.

The allegations came as the government intensified security to

prevent

mourners attending Saturday's funeral in Beijing for Zhao, the former
Communist Party secretary general purged for opposing the 1989

military

crackdown on the Tiananmen democracy movement.
At least three people, including a woman in her 70s, were punched and
manhandled by police officers outside the government offices which

receive

complaints in the Chinese capital, witnesses said.
They were among some 60 people who pinned white paper flowers to

their

clothes, a traditional Chinese symbol of mourning, said a bystander

who took

pictures of the beatings and posted them on overseas websites.
"A man from Henan province was beaten badly. His left eyeball looked

like it

was beaten out of its socket and he had a one inch cut to his right

eye,"

said the man who requested anonymity.
"An elderly woman from Shandong province was beaten to a point where

she

couldn't move and a man from Hunan province was also beaten," he

said.

Police shouted at the petitioners that Zhao, who spent nearly 16

years under

house arrest until his death last week, was a "political criminal,"

the

witness said.
"They said: 'Why are you commemorating him? You're clearly opposing

the

government. But the petitioners said 'We think differently. We think

he's a

good person."
Also last week, an estimated 80 to 90 petitioners were rounded up

near

Zhao's traditional courtyard home in Beijing for trying to get inside

to pay

respects and express condolences to his family, petitioners said.
"In our petitioners' hostel, all 10 people who went were detained and

held

from from 9 am to 11 pm," said Bai Shuhua, one of the 10.
"In the police station, they said 'You don't seek leaders who are

alive, but

insist on seeking dead leaders. How can the dead help you?" Bai said.
One of the petitioners, Liu Hongbo, was punched twice as he yelled

"Zhao

didn't do anything wrong," Bai said.
Zhao, prime minister and head of the Communist Party for much of the

1980s,

died on January 17 at the age of 85.
The authorities fear his death and funeral on Saturday will be a

rallying

point for dissidents, petitioners and people dissatisfied with the
government.
Zhao was purged for opposing the military crackdown on the 1989

Tiananmen

Square pro-democracy protests in which hundreds, if not thousands,

were

killed.
China announced last week it would not hold memorial services for

Zhao but

only a "farewell activity for the body," which is effectively a

funeral.

In China it is common practice for bodies to be cremated rather than

buried.


But family members and the government have been in dispute over the

official

assessment of Zhao, the guest list and where his ashes should be

placed.

These issues have yet to be resolved, a family friend told AFP,

despite

agreement on the date for the funeral.
"The official assessment is still under discussion," said the friend,

who

asked not to be identified.
Asked which government officials might attend to pay their respects,

the

friend said: "It is still unclear."
Diplomatic sources told AFP last week that Premier Wen Jiabao paid a

secret

visit to the man, who used to be his boss, two weeks before he died

but

there was no word on whether he would attend the funeral.
Wen was famously pictured standing next to Zhao on Tiananmen Square

in the

last photograph before he was purged and placed under house arrest.
The government labels Zhao a former official who made a "grave

mistake" in

his handling of the Tiananmen protests, while acknowledging his
contributions towards economic reforms in the 1980s.
Zhao's family strongly objects to the words "grave mistake" being

included

in an official assessment of his legacy.
Such an assessment is normally agreed with the family before the

funeral. A

negative assessment could jeopardise the careers of the deceased's

offspring

within the party or the government, although most of Zhao's five

children

are in private business.

-------

Why does the US government allow trade with these human-rights

abusing

monsters? I don't see how Saddam's regime was any worse than the

current

Chinese government.

China is emerging as we really can't do anything about that. There are
a over a billion of them and they have nukes. We have to play nice for
our own good. I guess this is what it feels like to not be a
superpower.


--

"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as

fast" -

Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" -

OG Loc

aa #2133
ap #19

.


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