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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile"
Date: 18 Jan 2005 01:06:17 AM
Object: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology
http://religionnewsblog.com/9938/Doctors--Others-Deride-Chiropractic-School
Doctors, Others Deride Chiropractic School
Associated Press, via Sun-Sentinelcom, Jan. 16, 2005
Brent Kallestad, Associated Press Writer
www.sun-sentinel.com
TALLAHASSEE, Florida -- Some Florida State University professors
have been circulating a parody map showing the campus of the
future, with a new Bigfoot Institute, a School of Astrology and a
Crop Circle Simulation Laboratory.
It's a not-so-subtle jab in a growing debate over a proposal to
build a chiropractic college on this campus -- the first such
school at a public university in the United States.
More than 500 professors, including the university's two Nobel
laureates, have signed a petition opposing the school and a
handful have even threatened to resign rather than teach alongside
what they consider a "pseudoscience."
The dispute -- the biggest academic furor in recent memory at
Florida State -- is heading to a showdown decision later this
month, pitting FSU faculty and doctors against chiropractors and
powerful lawmakers who pushed the $9 million (euro7 million)
proposal through the Legislature.
T.K. Wetherell, the normally blunt president of Florida State, has
been unusually reticent on the chiropractic flap, deferring to his
provost.
"There's a small number of faculty who would like it to happen,
there is another group of faculty who would like it to die as
painful a death as possible, and then there's another group that
has a lot of concerns that they would like answered before
anything else happens," provost Larry Abele said.
Supporters of the school, which would add 100 faculty members, say
the affiliation with a major university would quickly make it the
nation's premier program and a magnet for federal grants in
alternative medicine.
But the parody map sums up the views of many faculty -- and
physicians. They worry that chiropractic isn't based on real
science and that such a program could hurt the university's
academic reputation.
Last week, the faculty committee that oversees curriculum voted
22-0 to stop the proposed chiropractic program until it at least
had a say-so in the decision.
"There's no demonstrated need. We have more chiropractors than any
other state except California and New York," said Ray Bellamy, a
local orthopedic surgeon and associate at the medical school.
For now, the 38,000 students at Florida State have largely stayed
on the sidelines in the debate, although a few exercise physiology
majors have spoken out in support of the school.
For chiropractors, the issue is bigger than just the fight at
Florida State. It's part of an ongoing battle to win respect and
credibility in the medical community for their profession. A
chiropractic school at FSU would supply a long sought affiliation
with an established university and a major boost.
Chiropractic, which focuses on manipulating the spine to lessen
back pain and improve overall health, has won wider acceptance
over the years; it's now covered by most health insurance plans.
But in the 110 years since the profession was created, the
established medical community has largely boycotted it --
challenging its scientific validity in courts and legislative
bodies. In 1990, the U.S. 7th Circuit Court of Appeals found the
American Medical Association guilty of conspiracy to destroy the
profession.
"Chiropractic falls under the same umbrella as any number of
therapies including homeopathy, naturopathy, meditation, prayer,"
said Dr. Bill Kinsinger, an Oklahoma anesthesiologist and longtime
critic of chiropractors who is working with Florida doctors to
block the new school. "There's no more evidence for chiropractic
than there is for any of these other therapies."
The Florida Chiropractic Association says it's unfair for
opponents to try to deny them the opportunity to create the
school.
"On the one hand, they say there is no science behind what we do,"
said John Van Tassel, a Tallahassee chiropractor who tends to
Florida State's football players. "At the same time, they're
trying to prevent the very research (at a university) they say is
needed."
The university system's Board of Governors, which faces a decision
on the standoff Jan. 27. The fledgling board, which was created in
2002, has been accused of bowing to the wishes of the governor and
the legislature on higher education issues.
While not an outspoken supporter, Gov. Jeb Bush signed off on the
chiropractic school proposal in the last legislative session to
appease the House speaker and Senate president.

---
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Guns don't kill people: Republicans kill people.
.

User: "Dave"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 20 Jan 2005 06:53:45 PM
The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile wrote:


http://religionnewsblog.com/9938/Doctors--Others-Deride-Chiropractic-...
[...]
It's a not-so-subtle jab in a growing debate over a proposal to
build a chiropractic college on this campus -- the first such
school at a public university in the United States.

Chiropractors are divided into two groups: 1. The money-grubbing "I can
cure anything by adjusting and aligning your spine" paranormal
nit-wits, and 2. The traditional practitioners who are realistic and
who merely offer a practical alternative treatment for back pain.
.
User: "Happy Dog"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 21 Jan 2005 04:31:29 AM
"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message

The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile wrote:


http://religionnewsblog.com/9938/Doctors--Others-Deride-Chiropractic-...
[...]
It's a not-so-subtle jab in a growing debate over a proposal to
build a chiropractic college on this campus -- the first such
school at a public university in the United States.


Chiropractors are divided into two groups: 1. The money-grubbing "I can
cure anything by adjusting and aligning your spine" paranormal
nit-wits, and 2. The traditional practitioners who are realistic and
who merely offer a practical alternative treatment for back pain.

And, until they can get their act together, they're all idiots. They have
made no progress in resolving their differences because their practice isn't
founded in science.
moo
.


User: "Spacetraveler"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 18 Jan 2005 03:07:54 AM
Your authorities I assume? Do you know why it is criticized and ridiculed
like this? Because it has results. And because it does not acquire drugs.
Now, that's the short of it...
Spacetraveler
"The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile" <desertphile@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:3535obF4es2cjU2@individual.net...


http://religionnewsblog.com/9938/Doctors--Others-Deride-Chiropractic-School


Doctors, Others Deride Chiropractic School
Associated Press, via Sun-Sentinelcom, Jan. 16, 2005
Brent Kallestad, Associated Press Writer

www.sun-sentinel.com


TALLAHASSEE, Florida -- Some Florida State University professors
have been circulating a parody map showing the campus of the
future, with a new Bigfoot Institute, a School of Astrology and a
Crop Circle Simulation Laboratory.

It's a not-so-subtle jab in a growing debate over a proposal to
build a chiropractic college on this campus -- the first such
school at a public university in the United States.

More than 500 professors, including the university's two Nobel
laureates, have signed a petition opposing the school and a
handful have even threatened to resign rather than teach alongside
what they consider a "pseudoscience."

The dispute -- the biggest academic furor in recent memory at
Florida State -- is heading to a showdown decision later this
month, pitting FSU faculty and doctors against chiropractors and
powerful lawmakers who pushed the $9 million (euro7 million)
proposal through the Legislature.

T.K. Wetherell, the normally blunt president of Florida State, has
been unusually reticent on the chiropractic flap, deferring to his
provost.

"There's a small number of faculty who would like it to happen,
there is another group of faculty who would like it to die as
painful a death as possible, and then there's another group that
has a lot of concerns that they would like answered before
anything else happens," provost Larry Abele said.

Supporters of the school, which would add 100 faculty members, say
the affiliation with a major university would quickly make it the
nation's premier program and a magnet for federal grants in
alternative medicine.

But the parody map sums up the views of many faculty -- and
physicians. They worry that chiropractic isn't based on real
science and that such a program could hurt the university's
academic reputation.

Last week, the faculty committee that oversees curriculum voted
22-0 to stop the proposed chiropractic program until it at least
had a say-so in the decision.

"There's no demonstrated need. We have more chiropractors than any
other state except California and New York," said Ray Bellamy, a
local orthopedic surgeon and associate at the medical school.

For now, the 38,000 students at Florida State have largely stayed
on the sidelines in the debate, although a few exercise physiology
majors have spoken out in support of the school.

For chiropractors, the issue is bigger than just the fight at
Florida State. It's part of an ongoing battle to win respect and
credibility in the medical community for their profession. A
chiropractic school at FSU would supply a long sought affiliation
with an established university and a major boost.

Chiropractic, which focuses on manipulating the spine to lessen
back pain and improve overall health, has won wider acceptance
over the years; it's now covered by most health insurance plans.

But in the 110 years since the profession was created, the
established medical community has largely boycotted it --
challenging its scientific validity in courts and legislative
bodies. In 1990, the U.S. 7th Circuit Court of Appeals found the
American Medical Association guilty of conspiracy to destroy the
profession.

"Chiropractic falls under the same umbrella as any number of
therapies including homeopathy, naturopathy, meditation, prayer,"
said Dr. Bill Kinsinger, an Oklahoma anesthesiologist and longtime
critic of chiropractors who is working with Florida doctors to
block the new school. "There's no more evidence for chiropractic
than there is for any of these other therapies."

The Florida Chiropractic Association says it's unfair for
opponents to try to deny them the opportunity to create the
school.

"On the one hand, they say there is no science behind what we do,"
said John Van Tassel, a Tallahassee chiropractor who tends to
Florida State's football players. "At the same time, they're
trying to prevent the very research (at a university) they say is
needed."

The university system's Board of Governors, which faces a decision
on the standoff Jan. 27. The fledgling board, which was created in
2002, has been accused of bowing to the wishes of the governor and
the legislature on higher education issues.

While not an outspoken supporter, Gov. Jeb Bush signed off on the
chiropractic school proposal in the last legislative session to
appease the House speaker and Senate president.


---
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Guns don't kill people: Republicans kill people.

.
User: "Fredric L. Rice"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 18 Jan 2005 08:41:48 AM
"Spacetraveler" <spacetraveler@hotmail.com> wrote:

Your authorities I assume?

<laughing> Look, everybody! A Scientologist!

Do you know why it is criticized and ridiculed like this?

Because it kills, maims, and defrauds people.

Because it has results.

Sure does: It kills, maims, and defrauds people.

And because it does not acquire drugs.

The victims that get maimed by it most certainly do.

Now, that's the short of it...

And the stupid of it.

Spacetraveler
"The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile" <desertphile@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:3535obF4es2cjU2@individual.net...

http://religionnewsblog.com/9938/Doctors--Others-Deride-Chiropractic-School

Doctors, Others Deride Chiropractic School
Associated Press, via Sun-Sentinelcom, Jan. 16, 2005
Brent Kallestad, Associated Press Writer
www.sun-sentinel.com

---
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Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
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User: "Spacetraveler"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 18 Jan 2005 12:03:43 PM
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10up8afjgpa5249@corp.supernews.com...

"Spacetraveler" <spacetraveler@hotmail.com> wrote:

Your authorities I assume?


<laughing> Look, everybody! A Scientologist!

Do you know why it is criticized and ridiculed like this?


Because it kills, maims, and defrauds people.

Because it has results.


Sure does: It kills, maims, and defrauds people.

And because it does not acquire drugs.


The victims that get maimed by it most certainly do.

Now, that's the short of it...


And the stupid of it.

I wonder how people become like you. You only deal with bad news about
things which have had positive results. And you defend those institutions
having truly bad results. You're a sick human being.
These posts of some people here are quite laughable were it not that they
are saddening. Anyway I've started to realize some things about your kind,
thanks for that. You can only mislead people so long, you'll experience that
sooner or later. Hmm, pity...
Spacetraveler
.
User: "Fredric L. Rice"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 19 Jan 2005 07:10:20 AM
"Spacetraveler" <spacetraveler@hotmail.com> wrote:

"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10up8afjgpa5249@corp.supernews.com...

"Spacetraveler" <spacetraveler@hotmail.com> wrote:

Your authorities I assume?

<laughing> Look, everybody! A Scientologist!

Do you know why it is criticized and ridiculed like this?

Because it kills, maims, and defrauds people.

Because it has results.

Sure does: It kills, maims, and defrauds people.

And because it does not acquire drugs.

The victims that get maimed by it most certainly do.

Now, that's the short of it...

And the stupid of it.

I wonder how people become like you.

Step #1: Don't fall for Scientology criminal frauds.
Step #2: Acquire an education as to what constitutes science
and what constitutes deliberate financial fraud perped against
the gullible and the moronic.
That's the start, pal.
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Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
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User: "Spacetraveler"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 19 Jan 2005 08:31:22 AM
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10urnavtc517o8d@corp.supernews.com...

"Spacetraveler" <spacetraveler@hotmail.com> wrote:

"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10up8afjgpa5249@corp.supernews.com...

"Spacetraveler" <spacetraveler@hotmail.com> wrote:

Your authorities I assume?

<laughing> Look, everybody! A Scientologist!

Do you know why it is criticized and ridiculed like this?

Because it kills, maims, and defrauds people.

Because it has results.

Sure does: It kills, maims, and defrauds people.

And because it does not acquire drugs.

The victims that get maimed by it most certainly do.

Now, that's the short of it...

And the stupid of it.

I wonder how people become like you.


Step #1: Don't fall for Scientology criminal frauds.

Error... not associating the Church with the actual technology of that name.


Step #2: Acquire an education as to what constitutes science
and what constitutes deliberate financial fraud perped against
the gullible and the moronic.

So, and who decides upon what science is? If something works it works, it
does not need lab prove to explain WHY it works. You see, this is what is
happening these days. They question the workability because they can't
explain what is changing in the cells.


That's the start, pal.

I was not born yesterday...
Spacetraveler
.
User: "Spacetraveler"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 19 Jan 2005 05:57:41 PM
"Happy Dog" <happydog@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:I5pHd.45254$W33.1028405@news20.bellglobal.com...

"Spacetraveler" <spacetraveler@hotmail.com> wrote in

"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in


Step #2: Acquire an education as to what constitutes science
and what constitutes deliberate financial fraud perped against
the gullible and the moronic.


So, and who decides upon what science is? If something works it works,

it

does not need lab prove to explain WHY it works. You see, this is what

is

happening these days. They question the workability because they can't
explain what is changing in the cells.


Nothing is changing. Nobody can distinguish between a homeopathic remedy
(>11C) and the original solute using any fair means. Changes in cells

would

certainly qualify.

Is not true you know, they would want to be able to explain WHY it does
prior to accepting it. At least where it concerns areas which they may find
questionable because of personal preconceptions. Or where they can not make
money out of it.
Spacetraveler

No takers though. Until someone can, it's a waste of
time claiming it has any effect beyond placebo.

moo


.
User: "Happy Dog"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 19 Jan 2005 08:06:12 PM
"Spacetraveler" <spacetraveler@hotmail.com> wrote in message

Nothing is changing. Nobody can distinguish between a homeopathic remedy
(>11C) and the original solute using any fair means. Changes in cells

would certainly qualify.

Is not true you know, they would want to be able to explain WHY it does
prior to accepting it. At least where it concerns areas which they may
find
questionable because of personal preconceptions. Or where they can not
make
money out of it.

Still DOA. Nobody yet cares WHY because NOTHING is happening that can be
relibaly observed except for anticipated placebo responses. That homeopathy
pushers have to resort to claims that there is a really subtle, hard to
measure effect at the same time as claiming that the effects of treatment
are dramatic and obvious shows that they haven't progressed an inch in the
last couple hundred years. Your explanation, that it's a de facto
conspiracy by researchers all over the world to ignore the reality of these
alleged "changes" is just plain stupid.
moo
.
User: "Spacetraveler"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 19 Jan 2005 10:44:39 PM
"Happy Dog" <happydog@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:V4zHd.48419$W33.1112470@news20.bellglobal.com...

"Spacetraveler" <spacetraveler@hotmail.com> wrote in message

Nothing is changing. Nobody can distinguish between a homeopathic

remedy

(>11C) and the original solute using any fair means. Changes in cells

would certainly qualify.

Is not true you know, they would want to be able to explain WHY it does
prior to accepting it. At least where it concerns areas which they may
find
questionable because of personal preconceptions. Or where they can not
make
money out of it.


Still DOA. Nobody yet cares WHY because NOTHING is happening that can be
relibaly observed except for anticipated placebo responses. That

homeopathy

pushers have to resort to claims that there is a really subtle, hard to
measure effect at the same time as claiming that the effects of treatment
are dramatic and obvious shows that they haven't progressed an inch in the
last couple hundred years. Your explanation, that it's a de facto
conspiracy by researchers all over the world to ignore the reality of

these

alleged "changes" is just plain stupid.

Homoeopathy has been on discovery channel, it has also been published in
your socalled scientific journals. Then a life magician came along (whose
job it is to do magic and fool others) and all was dropped, and the
scientist smeared. Then another scientist came along and confirmed the
findings of the scientist that got smeared.
I know lots of people who swear by it. It changed their life. Homoeopathy
has also been tried on animals, the statistics are impressive. Or do you
call this also placebo effect. Damn what little you people know, you don't
find out anything for yourself. But no you people just listen to some
authorities, and you swear by them.
Science has never been so unscientific as it is today. We have the remedy
for the energy problem and lots more, but no we stick with our oil which
pollutes our atmosphere and all that, because some people earn money on it
and power. They pull some strings and all alternatives are smeared. Just
f***ing great.
When you look at something and hear some stuff, then have the guts to look
also beside you and behind you...
I call it just plain stupid to not listen to people who have become better
of all these things. Just fix on some mispleased individual. This accounts
for Scientology, homoeopathy, allopathy, chiropractic, osteopathy and
various other.
And then you people laugh at when L. Ron Hubbard talks about implants and
all that. You are sitting IN it, and you don't even see it...
Spacetraveler
.
User: "Happy Dog"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 20 Jan 2005 05:11:10 AM
"Spacetraveler" <spacetraveler@hotmail.com>

Still DOA. Nobody yet cares WHY because NOTHING is happening that can be
relibaly observed except for anticipated placebo responses. That

homeopathy

pushers have to resort to claims that there is a really subtle, hard to
measure effect at the same time as claiming that the effects of treatment
are dramatic and obvious shows that they haven't progressed an inch in
the
last couple hundred years. Your explanation, that it's a de facto
conspiracy by researchers all over the world to ignore the reality of

these alleged "changes" is just plain stupid.

Homoeopathy has been on discovery channel,

***** meter uncrated.

it has also been published in
your socalled scientific journals.

***** meter calibrated.

Then a life magician came along (whose
job it is to do magic and fool others) and all was dropped, and the
scientist smeared. Then another scientist came along and confirmed the
findings of the scientist that got smeared.

Et voila! Off the scale. Is that it? Conspiracy to cover up the Truth(tm)
by people with a vested interest in crushiong chiropractic? That's the BEST
you've got?


I know lots of people who swear by it. It changed their life. Homoeopathy
has also been tried on animals, the statistics are impressive. Or do you
call this also placebo effect. Damn what little you people know, you don't
find out anything for yourself. But no you people just listen to some
authorities, and you swear by them.

***** meter back in for warranty repair. Should have quit earlier.


< snip rest of paranoid rant >
moo
.
User: "Happy Dog"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 21 Jan 2005 04:27:59 AM
"Spacetraveler" <spacetraveler@hotmail.com> wrote in

***** meter back in for warranty repair. Should have quit earlier.


< snip rest of paranoid rant >


Happy Dog you are an idiot, we are done, and I have put you out of my
system...

Like most other fundie twits, you just can't bear the heat. Your arguments
are the lesser of the creationist crap usually spewed. I'll miss you
terribly.
moo
.

User: "george"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 20 Jan 2005 07:50:43 PM
Happy Dog wrote:

"Spacetraveler" <spacetraveler@hotmail.com>

Still DOA. Nobody yet cares WHY because NOTHING is happening that

can be

relibaly observed except for anticipated placebo responses. That

homeopathy

pushers have to resort to claims that there is a really subtle,

hard to

measure effect at the same time as claiming that the effects of

treatment

are dramatic and obvious shows that they haven't progressed an

inch in

the
last couple hundred years. Your explanation, that it's a de facto
conspiracy by researchers all over the world to ignore the reality

of

these alleged "changes" is just plain stupid.

Homoeopathy has been on discovery channel,


***** meter uncrated.

it has also been published in
your socalled scientific journals.


***** meter calibrated.


my irony meter peaked out
.
User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 20 Jan 2005 08:03:15 PM
george wrote:

Happy Dog wrote:

"Spacetraveler" <spacetraveler@hotmail.com>

Still DOA. Nobody yet cares WHY because NOTHING is happening that
can be relibaly observed except for anticipated placebo responses.
That homeopathy pushers have to resort to claims that there is a
really subtle, hard to measure effect at the same time as claiming
that the effects of treatment are dramatic and obvious shows that
they haven't progressed an inch in the
last couple hundred years. Your explanation, that it's a de facto
conspiracy by researchers all over the world to ignore the reality

of

these alleged "changes" is just plain stupid.

Homoeopathy has been on discovery channel,


***** meter uncrated.

it has also been published in
your socalled scientific journals.


***** meter calibrated.


my irony meter peaked out

I must admit that Spacetraveler has moved most of the fundies here up a bit
in my estimation.
Even karl from t.o. was smarter.
.
User: "Lady Chatterly"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 20 Jan 2005 08:53:03 PM
In article <78UHd.3862Z1.3811@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>
Mike Painter <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


I must admit that Spacetraveler has moved most of the fundies here up a bit
in my estimation.
Even karl from t.o. was smarter.

K.
--
Lady Chatterly
"I've never read anybodies trash before but I do plan on pulling up
this Lady Chatterly in Google. funny" -- Dali
.
User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 20 Jan 2005 10:45:59 PM
Lady Chatterly wrote:

In article <78UHd.3862Z1.3811@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>
Mike Painter <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


I must admit that Spacetraveler has moved most of the fundies here
up a bit in my estimation.
Even karl from t.o. was smarter.


K.

k was his choice.
.
User: "Lady Chatterly"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 20 Jan 2005 10:46:11 PM
In article <HwWHd.13108$wZ2.9271@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
Mike Painter <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


Lady Chatterly wrote:

In article <78UHd.3862Z1.3811@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>
Mike Painter <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


I must admit that Spacetraveler has moved most of the fundies here
up a bit in my estimation.
Even karl from t.o. was smarter.


K.


k was his choice.

They lie about it too early to ask, would you care or not president
bush is not unique, an email address is.
--
Lady Chatterly
"That stupid ***** with the manual replies posting as Lady Chatterly
got ***** because Fred was tracking the posts." -- Kadaitcha Man
.
User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 21 Jan 2005 06:39:59 AM
Lady Chatterly wrote:

In article <HwWHd.13108$wZ2.9271@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
Mike Painter <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


Lady Chatterly wrote:

In article <78UHd.3862Z1.3811@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>
Mike Painter <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


I must admit that Spacetraveler has moved most of the fundies here
up a bit in my estimation.
Even karl from t.o. was smarter.


K.


k was his choice.


They lie about it too early to ask, would you care or not president
bush is not unique, an email address is.

Eliza was better.
.






User: "Android Cat"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 20 Jan 2005 03:36:57 PM
Spacetraveler wrote:

"Happy Dog" <happydog@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:O3HHd.50590$W33.1317429@news20.bellglobal.com...

< snip rest of paranoid rant >


Happy Dog you are an idiot, we are done, and I have put you out of my
system...

Spacetraveler

Translation: LALALALALALA I can't hear you!!!
Welcome to the club Dog.
For ideas on how to write your own Traveler ChatBot:
http://groups.google.ca/groups?hl=en&lr=&threadm=ddFAd.767%24he3.438%40fe51.usenetserver.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26selm%3DddFAd.767%2524he3.438%2540fe51.usenetserver.com
--
Ron of that ilk.
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User: "The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 20 Jan 2005 06:36:16 PM
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:36:57 -0500, "Android Cat"
<androidcat98@hotmail.com> wrote:

Spacetraveler wrote:

Happy Dog you are an idiot, we are done, and I have put you out of my
system... Spacetraveler

A Scientology cultist's "Disconnection Letter" via usenet. How
amusing.

Translation: LALALALALALA I can't hear you!!!

Detailed Translation: "Eeeee! I've been debunked yet again! I'm
melting! Meeeellllllllting!"

Welcome to the club Dog.

For ideas on how to write your own Traveler ChatBot:
http://groups.google.ca/groups?hl=en&lr=&threadm=ddFAd.767%24he3.438%40fe51.usenetserver.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26selm%3DddFAd.767%2524he3.438%2540fe51.usenetserver.com

--
Ron of that ilk.

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Guns don't kill people: Republicans kill people.
"When the Christian majority takes over this country, there will be no
satanic churches, no more free distribution of pornography, no more
talk of rights for homosexuals. After the Christian majority takes
control, pluralism will be seen as immoral and evil and the state will
not permit anybody the right to practice evil." -- Gary Potter,
president of Catholics for Christian Political Action
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User: "The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile"

Title: Chiropractic and the JREF US$1,000,000 Challenge: the definitive answer 20 Jan 2005 07:26:37 PM
My e-mail to JREF:
From: Desertphile [e-mail address]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:01 AM
To:

Subject: Chiropractic and the US$1,000,000 challenge
Greetings. I have [....] in the usenet newsgroup
alt.atheism [et al] who believes Chiropractic is
a valid science. [....] I, and others, said that
since Chiropractic is invalid and pseudoscience,
JREF would indeed test any Chiropracticor who
steps forward and states a Chiropractic claim
and then shows that claim true.
Am I correct? Does Chiropractic qualify for the
JREF challenge?
David Rice
--------------
JREF reply:
Yep. Absolutely.
James Randi.
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http://lastliberal.org
Guns don't kill people: Republicans kill people.
I have less tolerance for pagan women because they seem to particularly
lack respect for men and thereby depart from God even further than do
pagan men. - (Jim Staal, Promise
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User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 20 Jan 2005 02:58:50 AM
Spacetraveler wrote:


And then you people laugh at when L. Ron Hubbard talks about implants
and all that. You are sitting IN it, and you don't even see it...

Ah, Hubbard. That explains a lot.
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User: "Spacetraveler"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 20 Jan 2005 04:56:35 AM
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:K7FHd.12705$wZ2.10450@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...

Spacetraveler wrote:


And then you people laugh at when L. Ron Hubbard talks about implants
and all that. You are sitting IN it, and you don't even see it...

Ah, Hubbard. That explains a lot.

This is not about authorities, this is about data. But you like authorities,
don't you...?
Spacetraveler
.
User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 20 Jan 2005 08:11:00 AM
Spacetraveler wrote:

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:K7FHd.12705$wZ2.10450@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...

Spacetraveler wrote:


And then you people laugh at when L. Ron Hubbard talks about
implants and all that. You are sitting IN it, and you don't even
see it...

Ah, Hubbard. That explains a lot.


This is not about authorities, this is about data. But you like
authorities, don't you...?

You have not provided data, much less the results of the actual
interpretation of that information.
You have made empty claims based on at best anecdotal information.
I'd also point out that you are the one quoting a second rate science
fiction writer from the 30's who decided he could make more money by
starting a religion.
He was right.
Do aluminum cans work as well?
.
User: "Spacetraveler"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 20 Jan 2005 02:55:54 PM
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:oIJHd.3785$8Z1.1133@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...

Spacetraveler wrote:

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:K7FHd.12705$wZ2.10450@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...

Spacetraveler wrote:


And then you people laugh at when L. Ron Hubbard talks about
implants and all that. You are sitting IN it, and you don't even
see it...

Ah, Hubbard. That explains a lot.


This is not about authorities, this is about data. But you like
authorities, don't you...?

You have not provided data, much less the results of the actual
interpretation of that information.
You have made empty claims based on at best anecdotal information.

I'd also point out that you are the one quoting a second rate science
fiction writer from the 30's who decided he could make more money by
starting a religion.
He was right.
Do aluminum cans work as well?

I could squeeze you just like that because of the absurdity of your claims.
I think I should compile a variety of my posting about these subjects. I've
addressed these issues in great detail.
You associate in order to discredit.
Spacetraveler
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User: "Mike Combs"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 19 Jan 2005 06:25:59 PM
"Spacetraveler" <spacetraveler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pcxHd.128051$dP1.459712@newsc.telia.net...


Is not true you know, they would want to be able to explain WHY it does
prior to accepting it.

Science very frequently discovers the "what" before discovering the "why".
Contrary to your perceptions, science can and does make progress that way.
--
Regards,
Mike Combs
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Member of the National Non-sequitur Society. We may not make
much sense, but we do like pizza.
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User: "The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 19 Jan 2005 11:46:02 PM
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:25:59 -0600, "Mike Combs"
<mikecombs@nospam.com_chg_nospam_2_ti> wrote:

"Spacetraveler" <spacetraveler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pcxHd.128051$dP1.459712@newsc.telia.net...

Is not true you know, they would want to be able to explain WHY it does
prior to accepting it.

Science very frequently discovers the "what" before discovering the "why".
Contrary to your perceptions, science can and does make progress that way.

Quite true. However, in the natural world, "why" is usually
identicle to "how."
P.S. You are trying to reason with a Scientology customer
("spacetraveler:") that is generally a waste of time.

--


Regards,
Mike Combs
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Member of the National Non-sequitur Society. We may not make
much sense, but we do like pizza.


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Our unanimous affirmance of the Court of Appeals' judgment concerning
16-1-20.2 makes it unnecessary to comment at length on the District
Court's remarkable conclusion that the Federal Constitution imposes
no obstacle to Alabama's establishment of a state religion. ---
Wallace V. Jaffree, 472 U.S. 38 (1985)
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User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 19 Jan 2005 07:15:57 PM
Spacetraveler wrote:


Step #1: Don't fall for Scientology criminal frauds.


Error... not associating the Church with the actual technology of
that name.


Step #2: Acquire an education as to what constitutes science
and what constitutes deliberate financial fraud perped against
the gullible and the moronic.


So, and who decides upon what science is? If something works it
works, it does not need lab prove to explain WHY it works. You see,
this is what is happening these days. They question the workability
because they can't explain what is changing in the cells.


That's the start, pal.


I was not born yesterday...

Nor were you educated.

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User: "Spacetraveler"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 19 Jan 2005 10:46:32 PM
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:NlyHd.12509$wZ2.79@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...

Spacetraveler wrote:


Step #1: Don't fall for Scientology criminal frauds.


Error... not associating the Church with the actual technology of
that name.


Step #2: Acquire an education as to what constitutes science
and what constitutes deliberate financial fraud perped against
the gullible and the moronic.


So, and who decides upon what science is? If something works it
works, it does not need lab prove to explain WHY it works. You see,
this is what is happening these days. They question the workability
because they can't explain what is changing in the cells.


That's the start, pal.


I was not born yesterday...

Nor were you educated.

So, well, if you call education being brainwashed by some authorites who
told you at school what is to be true for you. Then you have right.
Spacetraveler
.
User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Chiropractic as useless as Scientology 20 Jan 2005 02:57:20 AM
Spacetraveler wrote:

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:NlyHd.12509$wZ2.79@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...

Spacetraveler wrote:


Step #1: Don't fall for Scientology criminal frauds.


Error... not associating the Church with the actual technology of
that name.


Step #2: Acquire an education as to what constitutes science
and what constitutes deliberate financial fraud perped against
the gullible and the moronic.


So, and who decides upon what science is? If something works it
works, it does not need lab prove to explain WHY it works. You see,
this is what is happening these days. They question the workability
because they can't explain what is changing in the cells.


That's the start, pal.


I was not born yesterday...

Nor were you educated.


So, well, if you call education being brainwashed by some authorites
who told you at school what is to be true for you. Then you have
right.

Thus you support my claim.

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