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http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=23101
Choose God, not MTV, abstinence speaker tells teens
By Cesar J. Baldelomar
2/20/2007
The Florida Catholic (www.thefloridacatholic.org)
MIAMI LAKES, Fla. (The Florida Catholic) - Standing before a church
full of students and their parents, Father James P. Murphy, pastor of
Our Lady of the Lakes Parish, told all present that "premarital sex is
a matter of life and death."
Following up on those words, he introduced Pam Stenzel, whom he called
"a messenger from God who is spreading the Christian message about
sexuality."
Stenzel, a world-renowned abstinence speaker known for her wit and
humor when tackling today's toughest sex-related issues, spoke at the
parish. Her talk was co-sponsored by the archdiocese's Respect Life
Office. She also spoke at St. Agnes Academy in Key Biscayne, Fla.
Stenzel directed her message first to adults, telling them that
although children often disagree with parental rules, parents must
nevertheless continue to teach their children morals and values.
She cited her two main rules for dating: no dating until the teen
turns 16, and no single dating, as opposed to staying in groups, until
the teen has graduated from high school.
"I wasn't called to be my daughter's friend. I was called to be her
parent," Stenzel said.
She then directed her message to the youths, saying that sexual
intercourse is good and holy when done within the context of marriage.
Any sex outside of marriage, however, carries consequences aside from
premarital pregnancy, she said.
"Pregnancy should not be every sexually active girl's main worry,"
said Stenzel. "There are far worse consequences, such as STDs
(sexually transmitted diseases)."
In fact, she said, girls are four times more likely to contract a
sexually transmitted disease than to get pregnant.
"Twenty-six of the 30 STDs physically affect girls more than they do
boys," Stenzel said.
One viral infection that harms women more than men is the human
papillomavirus, or HPV, which is transmitted through genital contact,
can cause warts and has been associated with cervical cancer.
"HPV is now the second-leading cause of cancer in women after breast
cancer," said Stenzel, founder and owner of Enlighten Communications,
an organization that strives to promote sexual abstinence through
videos, books and pamphlets. "Making things worse is the fact that
most STD tests, especially HPV tests, are inaccurate and therefore
often give a false sense of hope."
The condom, which according to Stenzel is popular among teens, also
provides a false sense of security.
"Condoms, used properly, provide no protection at all against herpes
and HPV," said Stenzel, whose promotion of abstinence is a direct
result of years spent counseling young women in crisis pregnancies.
She reminded the audience that "the term 'sex' includes any contact
with genitals, meaning that oral sex, which is often downplayed among
teens, is a sexual activity. The belief that oral sex is harmless
because it involves no vaginal penetration is false because scientists
have confirmed that all 30 STDs can be transmitted via oral sex."
"The only safe sex is sex within marriage with a safe partner,"
Stenzel stressed.
Yet the prospect of abstaining from sex until marriage is difficult
for teens, especially when popular culture and the media portray
premarital sex as an expression of freedom and as a utilitarian drive
aimed at satisfying bodily desires.
"Sex involves not just body parts, but also one's heart and soul,"
Stenzel said. "This entails finding the right person who is willing to
make a lifelong promise of love."
She ended her presentation with a reminder for the youths: "Although
there are a plethora of sexually charged messages in the media, it is
your choice to follow either MTV or God. I hope you follow God."
"This is the most incredible speech I have ever heard," said Dayane
Masters, who is a mother of two boys. "Pam, I am sure, has inspired
several teens here today to choose a life of abstinence."
Joanne Martinez, a student at Hialeah High School, said, "Pam's
message is one of truth and love, and I hope that all teens and adults
present here today have learned much from her words of wisdom."
For more information about Pam Stenzel, or to book her for an event,
visit www.pamstenzel.com. To learn more about sexually transmitted
diseases, visit the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention at
www.cdc.gov/std/default.htm.
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07 Apr 2007 08:46:01 AM |
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"Choose God, not MTV, abstinence speaker tells teens"
V:
I would change that to 'choose inner peace and not...'
Inner peace is at the foundation of all our quests.
I was discussing 'spiritual aspects of living' on various online
forums. One group was a dedicated atheists discussion list with most
members only offering bitter personal attacks instead of adding
anything substantive to the discussion. But to be fair to these
atheists, I've known many a religious fellow that are just as bitter,
if not more so, than atheists I meet. So just being 'religious' is not
a guarantee of being at peace. Each man made religion contains
perfection's as well as imperfections. It is up to the practitioner or
end user to use the tools in the right way. The problem is not the
wisdom that is defective. The problem lies with religious
practitioners who are defective in their practice of this wisdom. The
wisdom works - we don't work the wisdom.
Many times we are too busy for peace. As one atheist list member
wrote, 'It took awhile - far too long, really - but I've finally found
that one can find peace by simply being undisturbed." Yes, peace is
our birthright, if we are not destroying it by our own actions. In
order to slow down enough to be able to use peace as a tool I needed
to apply simplicity and renunciation to my life. I am not an acetic or
total renunciate by any means, but I did have to let go of many peace
destroying habits before making room for inner peace to enter my life.
As we get rid of one thing, it make room for another thing to enter.
The online discussions based in bitterness brought up the question of
"what guiding light do atheists use to be at peace?" Not much was
offered in reply to my question. I got a few answers here or there. It
seems whenever the discussion turns to 'inner peace' many of the
people I talk with are silent, this even goes for 'pious' Catholic
priests. But, one fellow on the forum mentioned 'truth and
philosophy,' as his tools - both of these being good answers for peace
generation with proper application. Philosophy plays a big role in my
life as well for providing tools to live at peace. I also supplement
my spiritual path from many other sources as I will go into below. I
am only interested in practical application of philosophy though and
not bickering and arguing over the unanswerable. So, I prefer truth
based discussions over ego based discussions where the truth gets
overshadowed by rhetoric. As someone once wrote ... "if you don't know
the answer then just say so."
I was at a philosophy symposium last year and talked with a professor
about a teaching / mentor relationship he had with Ayn Rand. He went
on to say how after a year they broke up the mentor relationship on a
sour note. After I questioned the professor about Rand's personal life
as well as her state of inner peace and happiness, I could see that
with all her talents of 'smarts' she was bankrupt when the subject
turned to peace smarts, contentment and happiness. She was ego based
and not practice based when it came to peace generation. Furthermore,
she not only destroyed her peace, but from the information that came
out of our discussion, the then student's peace was disturbed at the
time and it still sounded disturbed decades later as a distinguished
professor and author. Academic smarts are not the same as peace
smarts.
The branch of philosophy that deals with the study of ethics and
virtue has also helped me along in life. What is virtue and ethics?
Some authorities define it as 'excellence of the soul' or moral
excellence. (Although the Greeks thought of 'soul and form' in
different terms than say Christians think of soul. For example, the
soul of an eye would be its ability to 'see' and whether this ability
was good or bad would decide whether the soul of an eye had 'virtue'
or excellence.) The concept for understanding virtue can be told in a
story of the 'Ring of Gyges' or 'Myth of Gyges'. This story was taken
from Plato's Republic and recounts how the shepherd Gyges finds a ring
on a hand extending from a crack in the earth and removes the ring
from the hand and puts it on. Gyges discovers the magic ring gives him
powers to be invisible at will and then uses these powers to kill the
king, rape the queen and take over the kingdom. As James Allen tells
us in "As A Man Thinketh" - "Circumstances does not make the man - it
reveals him to himself"
What is virtuous behavior in a flourishing human being? In readily
understandable terms we can help define virtue for us from this story
of Gyges and by asking ourselves the question, "What would we do if no
one was looking or we knew we would not get caught?" No heaven, no
hell, no God, no karma, no police, nothing but us and our virtue?
Would our actions promote our inner peace as well as the inner peace
of others or would our actions destroy our peace and the peace of
others? Virtue is not learned from the classroom, other than
memorizing definitions. Remember, a fool can only say what he knows ~
it takes a wise man to know what he says. How do we become a success
at living a virtuous life and really know what we say? As a lecture
on Aristotle mentioned: "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence,
then, is not an act but a habit." We develop it by practice.
Practicing 'excellence of the human soul' is how.
Beside the philosophical studies of ethics and virtue, a Buddhist or
Taoist practice is another good peace developer for anyone to adopt
whether atheist, agnostic or believer. Buddhists are generally not
required to believe or not believe in God, so anyone can make use of
this philosophy irrespective of their religious beliefs or lack
thereof. But be careful with your Buddhist studies if you decide to
head in this direction. For Buddhism is riddled with useless ego based
dogma. If you can sift through the useless as a freethinker and find
the gems you will do well.
See: http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=9.0
Personally, I've settled on the essence of Buddhism and that is what I
work on and find much peace with this type of simplified Buddhist
practice.
"The Three Pillars of Buddhism"
1- Practicing mindfulness and meditation to develop peace and self
awareness of our own true nature.
2- Accepting the liberating wisdom of impermanence and practicing non-
clinging and a lessening of craving and desires.
3- The development of compassion for others.
In addition to the three pillars, we can use the eightfold path to
guide us. Within the three pillars and the eightfold path are a
lifetime of practice. No need to get lost in endless debate and spend
your precious time in idle talk that only serves to massage one's ego.
Plenty of work to do right here, right now, unless we prefer to keep
our minds distracted through our perpetual complexities we are so
addicted to. We do need to give some thought of the 'right' way to
live as the eightfold path tells us, so we should never try and be
devoid of thought in our lives, but instead look for a balance and let
thought serve us for once.
"The Eightfold Path"
1. Right View
2. Right Intention
3. Right Speech
4. Right Action
5. Right Livelihood
6. Right Effort
7. Right Mindfulness
8. Right Concentration
How can you differentiate right from wrong? By peace. You learn what
destroys your peace and the peace of others as well as what promotes
you inner peace and the inner peace of others. Do you need a teacher
for that? Or the Pope to tell you? Or just listen to peace as the best
teacher?
The Five precepts are the 'commandments' more or less for Buddhists.
Although you are not commanded to do a thing. If you wish to live at
peace, then proceed the best you can - but it is your choice.
"The Five Precepts"
1. Refrain from Killing
2. Refrain from Stealing
3. Refrain from Sexual Misconduct
4. Refrain from False Speech
5. Refrain from the Use of Intoxicants
Once I am at peace, I can share with others about finding peace for
themselves, which is the secondary reason I practice. I have no
interest in practicing Buddhism for extinguishing reincarnation.
These "fear based" reasons for being a Buddhist are not authentic or
natural - the persons actions are based on fear or negative
consequences otherwise they would not do them. My actions are based on
inner peace and if I stray - there goes my peace - it is my choice.
Remember what I wrote about above with the myth of Gyges? Take away
the fear of pain of karma or hell and you have a different person? A
truly virtuous life remains the same irrespective of such fears and is
not based on them.
I enjoy life and realize that due to natural law, suffering comes
about as part of the process and I accept it as a fair trade off for
the privilege of living. Buddhism helps makes this trade off of life
and pain more in my favor by lending me support to live a life at
peace. I do not practice Buddhism to earn merit for the next life - I
practice Buddhism for my own peace generation in THIS LIFE. You see,
once a religion requires faith, this is where I leave off with it's
teaching. I only use the tools that can be applied in this life that
can be tested to yield peace. Otherwise, if I succumb to fantasy
notions I start heading towards the road of delusion. So whether it is
heaven, hell, reincarnation or chanting 'Namo Amitabha Buddha' for the
Buddha to carry me off to the pure land...none of this can be proven
as fact and is just based on ego based man and their fantasies.
Still, I am not shy about benefiting from any religious path that
offers tools for me to live at peace. I take from ALL spiritual paths
without prejudice, my only requirement is that the religious or
spiritual tool be one that offers peace. Any tool always has to pass
the peace test, this way it speaks of a 'higher authority' than just
man made dogma - it speaks of universal truth. But, this all has to be
done in balance. For there are many true things that are good - but
done in excess they become bad. For, even though air and water give us
life, they will also give us death when in excess. So always seek
balance. For instance, the Muslims have a practice of praying five
times a day to Allah. For those that do not know, Allah is the same
God of the Jews and of the Old Testament that the Christians worship.
The Muslims pray at sun up, when the sun is at its zenith at noon,
when the sun is part way down in the afternoon, when the sun sets and
when they go to bed. Even though I am not a Muslim, I borrowed from
the Muslim's prayer schedule to use as a reminder to be mindful of
"gratitude" in my life. If you do not want to develop a practice of
gratitude, then what about using it as a reminder 5 times a day to
relax your breath, practice mindfulness and bring your thoughts back
to the present moment? When you have come to a point of gratitude for
being able to open your eyes in the morning and being able to take a
breath of air everything else is just gravy so to speak. Gratitude
plays an important part with finding inner peace, just as being
mindful of the present moment and being aware of anything that causes
this mindfulness to wander.
If I could define the basis of my spiritual practice it would be that
of peace and practicality. Inner peace is the foundation of it all,
for we cannot have world peace without first being at peace within. I
used to be a Catholic for many years of my life as well as a
freethinking Buddhist before becoming an agnostic freethinker.
See::
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=318.0
A few years ago a lady moderator on a Christian forum banned me for
claiming that God is peace, telling me "you don't know who God is."
Funny thing about the Christians. I was a Christian as well as a
freethinking Buddhist in my earlier life and 100% of the Christian
forums have banned me, and 90% of the Buddhist forums have also banned
me. This says something about the Christians and Buddhists and whether
they practice what they preach? The Christians chanting the Golden
rule of Reciprocity and Charity and Humility? and the Buddhists
preaching Compassion, Do No Harm and Egoless Non-Self?
Why am I banned so much? Is it for getting in fights or flame wars?
No...I get banned for writing about truth. When someone disagrees with
you, apply the law of opposites to get at the truth. This removes the
personalities and focusses on the principles and helps you see the
entire picture. If God is not peace, then God must be the opposite of
peace...turmoil and unrest. I prefer to believe God is peace and God
is the authority on the subject of peace. The difference between an
authority and an authoritarian is this. An authority speaks from a
place of truth and such speaks as an authority. Whereas an
authoritarian rules by fear and not by truth. For the truth stands on
it own and the authoritarian stands on their ego.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=343.0
The Buddhists have a set of rules they use to determine what are
definitive truths and what are not. This can also be applied to such
questions.
1) Do not rely on just the person but rely on the doctrine.
2) With respect to the doctrine, do not rely on just the words, but
rely on the meaning.
3) With respect to the meaning, do not rely on just meaning requiring
interpretation, but rely on meaning that is definitive.
4) With respect to definitive meaning, do not rely on just dualistic
understanding but rely on the wisdom of the direct perception of the
truth.
Bringing this worship business back to the topic of religion, do we
worship a higher power out of fear for if we do not worship this
higher power we will be killed? Sounds like the aliens in an old
"Superman" movies that came to earth to tell us to bow down to them or
else? If there was a God or a higher power does this entity need us to
'bow down' to a 'big ego' or does God need us to 'act right' to our
companions as well as to act right to ourselves? Bowing down produces
no peace, whether in the person that demands it due to an over bloated
ego, nor does it foster peace within the person forced to worship
against their will. But this is how man made religions work - they are
run by fear, greed and ego. I prefer to be truth and peace based. Many
think God is like 'Santa Claus' and must come through with their
demands, just as we did as greedy children making up a long,
impossible list for Santa to fill. This smacks of the ego based
practitioner.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=133.0
The ego based person prays thinking they know better than God does.
The truly spiritual based person prays for God's will and not their
own, for if they truly knew better than God...the practitioner would
be the God. Nothing wrong with asking if one is a believer, but always
end such requests humbly with accepting Gods or a higher powers will
with gratitude. Can you imagine if everyone's prayers were answered
according to our self centered and conflicting demands? The world
would be in real turmoil then. No, I prefer to make the God of Peace
and the God of Nature two Gods I serve and as such my actions can be
evaluated in simple terms of bringing me in harmony with these two
Gods or not.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=342.0
Many times we violate the three branches of laws that govern us and
constantly ask God or a higher power to give us 'hall passes' to avoid
the consequences of our actions. Such prayer is again ego based,
thinking we should have preference over the rest of the world for
wishing to be exempt from our actions
We are all governed by these three areas of laws.
1 - Natural Law
2 - Divine or spiritual law (if you believe in spiritual matters)
3 - Manmade laws
I find that sometime spiritual practitioners neglect the natural laws
that govern our bodies and suffer in this area from lack of living a
balanced life. Some of us forget we are spiritual beings residing in
physical bodies living in physical world and governed my both
spiritual and physical or natural laws in addition to man made laws.
We need some effort with spiritual work and some effort in physical
work for a good balance. Some of us think we can defy man made laws as
well as divine or spiritual laws. But no matter how defiant the person
is...we all answer to natural law. We all bow to nature in the end.
Anyway, you are free to think or not think of God or higher power as
you see fit. I am only a 'minor authority' on peace and do not wish to
be an authoritarian, so I allow freedom for all to think as they wish
and only ask the same courtesy be extended to me - reciprocity.
Psychologist William James once said, "A great many people believe
they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices."
This applies to atheists as well as the religious or the pious. To
avoid prejudice, we have to be careful of 'black or white' absolutes
if you claim to truth based and not ego based in your beliefs. I work
to keep an open mind for all religions as well as those persons that
believe nothing.
When I discussed Christian principles one time an Atheist piped up to
say "the Christians have no principles," and "Jesus was a fabled
creation of the Christians." When we sperate the personalities from
the principles it makes looking at things much easier. When I am
referring to Christian principles I speak of such things as charity,
works of mercy and the golden rule, where the emphasis is on
principles and not on the personalities of the church. For even if
Jesus was just created as a fable, these Christian principles are
universal truths in their own right if one desires to live a life at
peace and promote the inner peace of others in this world.
"The Corporal Works of Mercy"
To feed the hungry
To give drink to the thirsty
To clothe the naked
To harbour the harbourless
To visit the sick
To ransom the captive
To bury the dead
"The Spiritual Works of Mercy"
To instruct the ignorant
To counsel the doubtful
To admonish sinners
To bear wrongs patiently
To forgive offenses willingly
To comfort the afflicted
To pray for the living and the dead
You see, by applying the rule of reciprocity or rule of opposites we
can see if we were in these positions of the needy mentioned above, we
would like such charity bestowed on us for the most part. What about
our children, parents and loved ones? Wouldn't we wish the same for
them? We have no loved ones? What about our neighbors? The Christian
ethic says to treat one another as we would wish to be treated. As we
give ~ so we receive. Even if an atheist, as we give peace - we
receive inner peace as many of the tools I mentioned above do not
require belief in God, they only requirement is a desire to be at
peace and to bring peace to others. This is the Christian doctrine in
a nutshell, when we put principles before personalities.
As you instill seeds of peace within others you plant the same seeds
and water these seeds within you as well. As James Allen wrote in "As
a man Thinketh" ~ To think well of all, to be cheerful with all, to
patiently learn to find the good in all - such unselfish thoughts are
the very portals of heaven; and to dwell day by day in thoughts of
peace toward every creature will bring abounding peace to their
possessor." This is universal truth that transcends man made
religions. Remember, we do not have to do it perfectly. Just look for
direction and forget perfection - for perfection or range is of the
ego and form is of the soul. There are many tools for peace within the
worlds spiritual paths, no one said these paths are perfect, in fact,
it was once said that walking the spiritual path is akin to walking on
a razors edge. But if we bother to be honest, non prejudicial and to
look, we can find tools that can help us be at peace whether atheist,
agnostic or believer.
In the Gnostic gospel of Thomas, it was reported:
"The disciples asked Jesus, when will the kingdom come? Jesus replied,
'The kingdom will not come by watching for it. It will not be said -
look here or look there. Rather, the kingdom of heaven is spread out
upon the earth and men do not see it."
What does this quote mean for the atheist as well as the religious
minded person?
For the atheist or as a nonbeliever of an afterlife: THIS LIFE IS IT -
This life is either heaven or hell as you make it. Just grabbing all
the gusto you can will not give you peace. It requires much more than
that - for greed is never satisfied by attainment, it is only
satisfied by contentment. We are reminded to be mindful of each moment
given to us and to be grateful for this life. Being of service to
others and charitable actions help lead us to contentment and peace.
There are 3 components for a happy life: Contentment, love or
compassion and gratitude. When we realize that happiness and
contentment are there for the taking and that they are independent
from our circumstances it sometimes can sink in that there is nothing
stopping us from being content and happy this very instant. It is your
choice alone as to whether you make this life one of peace for
yourself and others or not, but in either case you will reap what you
sow. "Just as a life of virtue yields its own reward, a life of vice
yields its own punishment" - Plutarch
For the religious minded person and believer in an afterlife: Jesus'
saying will foreshadow things to come. For if we make this earthly
life hell for ourselves and others, we have a slim chance of doing
better in an afterlife. Just paying lip service to religious
principles and doing the opposite will not do it. Again mindfulness of
our actions is most important. An old Buddhist saying sheds some light
on our journey "when one eye is kept on the destination, it only
leaves one eye left for the journey." If we keep fixated on the after
life, and can't find peace in the present life, we can lose sight of
the fact that our actions can turn the present moment in a living hell
for us as well as others. Actions speak louder than words and this
especially applies to such religious beliefs. By applying the rule of
reciprocity and Christian ethics and charity we have better chance at
entering any afterlife and in the interim help make this life a
peaceful one for all that dwell on earth.
So, whether you are on either end of this spectrum of beliefs, the
choices are the same as to the direction we take when it comes to
inner peace. The seeds of enlightenment are all around us - we only
have to seek the truth and come to peace within to realize this.
A quote on finding peace from Thich Nhat Hanh
"There is no way to peace, peace is the way. This means that we can
realize peace right here in the present moment with our look, our
smile, our words and our actions. Peace work in not a means, each step
we take should be peace. Every step we take should be joy. Every step
we take should be happiness. Are you massaging Mother Earth every time
your foot touches her? Are you planting seeds of joy and peace?
Enlightenment, peace and joy will not be granted by someone else. The
well is within us and if we dig deeply in the present moment the water
will spring forth. If we are determined, we can do it. We don't need
the future. We can smile, breath fully and relax Everything we want is
here in the present moment. Peace is every step. Shall we continue our
journey?"
Take care,
V
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
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| Title: Re: Choose God, Not MTV: Premarital Sex Is A Matter Of Life And Death |
09 Apr 2007 09:43:31 AM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Choose God, not MTV, abstinence speaker tells teens"
V:
I would change that to 'choose inner peace and not...'
Nobody cares.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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| User: "SirWilly" |
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| Title: Re: Choose God, Not MTV: Premarital Sex Is A Matter Of Life And Death |
02 Apr 2007 03:00:05 AM |
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She ended her presentation with a reminder for the youths: "Although
there are a plethora of sexually charged messages in the media, it is
your choice to follow either MTV or God. I hope you follow God."
Mmkay, I can't pretend to be a Christian, but since when did
"Christian values" seem to begin and end with: no sex, no abortion, no
gays, and no nudity? Silly me, if I recall the Gospels correctly,
there was no mention or condemnation of any of those things. All this
Jesus fellow seemed to talk about were things like love thy neighbor,
charity, peace, acceptance, love, and forgiveness. None of which are
practiced by the most vocal "moral Christians" nowadays--they've given
way to hate, intolerance, greed, and exclusion.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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02 Apr 2007 12:01:39 PM |
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On Apr 2, 4:00 am, "SirWilly" <wmcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
She ended her presentation with a reminder for the youths: "Although
there are a plethora of sexually charged messages in the media, it is
your choice to follow either MTV or God. I hope you follow God."
Mmkay, I can't pretend to be a Christian, but
Nominated section
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since when did
"Christian values" seem to begin and end with: no sex, no abortion, no
gays, and no nudity? Silly me, if I recall the Gospels correctly,
there was no mention or condemnation of any of those things. All this
Jesus fellow seemed to talk about were things like love thy neighbor,
charity, peace, acceptance, love, and forgiveness. None of which are
practiced by the most vocal "moral Christians" nowadays
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Seconds?
--they've given
way to hate, intolerance, greed, and exclusion.
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| User: "Martin" |
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02 Apr 2007 12:32:55 PM |
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Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
On Apr 2, 4:00 am, "SirWilly" <wmcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
She ended her presentation with a reminder for the youths: "Although
there are a plethora of sexually charged messages in the media, it is
your choice to follow either MTV or God. I hope you follow God."
Mmkay, I can't pretend to be a Christian, but
Nominated section
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since when did
"Christian values" seem to begin and end with: no sex, no abortion, no
gays, and no nudity? Silly me, if I recall the Gospels correctly,
there was no mention or condemnation of any of those things. All this
Jesus fellow seemed to talk about were things like love thy neighbor,
charity, peace, acceptance, love, and forgiveness. None of which are
practiced by the most vocal "moral Christians" nowadays
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Seconds?
--they've given
way to hate, intolerance, greed, and exclusion.
seconded
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In article <46113deb$0$19252$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>,
Martin <usenet1@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
On Apr 2, 4:00 am, "SirWilly" <wmcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
She ended her presentation with a reminder for the youths: "Although
there are a plethora of sexually charged messages in the media, it is
your choice to follow either MTV or God. I hope you follow God."
Mmkay, I can't pretend to be a Christian, but
Nominated section
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since when did
"Christian values" seem to begin and end with: no sex, no abortion, no
gays, and no nudity? Silly me, if I recall the Gospels correctly,
there was no mention or condemnation of any of those things. All this
Jesus fellow seemed to talk about were things like love thy neighbor,
charity, peace, acceptance, love, and forgiveness. None of which are
practiced by the most vocal "moral Christians" nowadays
-------------------------------------------------
Seconds?
--they've given
way to hate, intolerance, greed, and exclusion.
seconded
Recorded. Extra groups removed.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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On Apr 2, 7:41 pm, *nemo* <nemo0...@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <46113deb$0$19252$da0fe...@news.zen.co.uk>,
Martin <usen...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
On Apr 2, 4:00 am, "SirWilly" <wmcca...@gmail.com> wrote:
She ended her presentation with a reminder for the youths: "Although
there are a plethora of sexually charged messages in the media, it is
your choice to follow either MTV or God. I hope you follow God."
Mmkay, I can't pretend to be a Christian, but
Nominated section
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since when did
"Christian values" seem to begin and end with: no sex, no abortion, no
gays, and no nudity? Silly me, if I recall the Gospels correctly,
there was no mention or condemnation of any of those things. All this
Jesus fellow seemed to talk about were things like love thy neighbor,
charity, peace, acceptance, love, and forgiveness. None of which are
practiced by the most vocal "moral Christians" nowadays
-------------------------------------------------
Seconds?
--they've given
way to hate, intolerance, greed, and exclusion.
seconded
Recorded. Extra groups removed.
I have to start checking for crossposting
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01 Apr 2007 05:43:36 PM |
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Choose chocolate Jesus, not MTV!
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
news:1175466701.452195.91980@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=23101
Choose God, not MTV, abstinence speaker tells teens
By Cesar J. Baldelomar
2/20/2007
The Florida Catholic (www.thefloridacatholic.org)
MIAMI LAKES, Fla. (The Florida Catholic) - Standing before a church
full of students and their parents, Father James P. Murphy, pastor of
Our Lady of the Lakes Parish, told all present that "premarital sex is
a matter of life and death."
Following up on those words, he introduced Pam Stenzel, whom he called
"a messenger from God who is spreading the Christian message about
sexuality."
Stenzel, a world-renowned abstinence speaker known for her wit and
humor when tackling today's toughest sex-related issues, spoke at the
parish. Her talk was co-sponsored by the archdiocese's Respect Life
Office. She also spoke at St. Agnes Academy in Key Biscayne, Fla.
Stenzel directed her message first to adults, telling them that
although children often disagree with parental rules, parents must
nevertheless continue to teach their children morals and values.
She cited her two main rules for dating: no dating until the teen
turns 16, and no single dating, as opposed to staying in groups, until
the teen has graduated from high school.
"I wasn't called to be my daughter's friend. I was called to be her
parent," Stenzel said.
She then directed her message to the youths, saying that sexual
intercourse is good and holy when done within the context of marriage.
Any sex outside of marriage, however, carries consequences aside from
premarital pregnancy, she said.
"Pregnancy should not be every sexually active girl's main worry,"
said Stenzel. "There are far worse consequences, such as STDs
(sexually transmitted diseases)."
In fact, she said, girls are four times more likely to contract a
sexually transmitted disease than to get pregnant.
"Twenty-six of the 30 STDs physically affect girls more than they do
boys," Stenzel said.
One viral infection that harms women more than men is the human
papillomavirus, or HPV, which is transmitted through genital contact,
can cause warts and has been associated with cervical cancer.
"HPV is now the second-leading cause of cancer in women after breast
cancer," said Stenzel, founder and owner of Enlighten Communications,
an organization that strives to promote sexual abstinence through
videos, books and pamphlets. "Making things worse is the fact that
most STD tests, especially HPV tests, are inaccurate and therefore
often give a false sense of hope."
The condom, which according to Stenzel is popular among teens, also
provides a false sense of security.
"Condoms, used properly, provide no protection at all against herpes
and HPV," said Stenzel, whose promotion of abstinence is a direct
result of years spent counseling young women in crisis pregnancies.
She reminded the audience that "the term 'sex' includes any contact
with genitals, meaning that oral sex, which is often downplayed among
teens, is a sexual activity. The belief that oral sex is harmless
because it involves no vaginal penetration is false because scientists
have confirmed that all 30 STDs can be transmitted via oral sex."
"The only safe sex is sex within marriage with a safe partner,"
Stenzel stressed.
Yet the prospect of abstaining from sex until marriage is difficult
for teens, especially when popular culture and the media portray
premarital sex as an expression of freedom and as a utilitarian drive
aimed at satisfying bodily desires.
"Sex involves not just body parts, but also one's heart and soul,"
Stenzel said. "This entails finding the right person who is willing to
make a lifelong promise of love."
She ended her presentation with a reminder for the youths: "Although
there are a plethora of sexually charged messages in the media, it is
your choice to follow either MTV or God. I hope you follow God."
"This is the most incredible speech I have ever heard," said Dayane
Masters, who is a mother of two boys. "Pam, I am sure, has inspired
several teens here today to choose a life of abstinence."
Joanne Martinez, a student at Hialeah High School, said, "Pam's
message is one of truth and love, and I hope that all teens and adults
present here today have learned much from her words of wisdom."
For more information about Pam Stenzel, or to book her for an event,
visit www.pamstenzel.com. To learn more about sexually transmitted
diseases, visit the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention at
www.cdc.gov/std/default.htm.
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02 Apr 2007 12:13:37 AM |
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In article <1175466701.452195.91980@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=23101
Choose God, not MTV, abstinence speaker tells teens
By Cesar J. Baldelomar
2/20/2007
The Florida Catholic (www.thefloridacatholic.org)
MIAMI LAKES, Fla. (The Florida Catholic) - Standing before a church
full of students and their parents, Father James P. Murphy, pastor of
Our Lady of the Lakes Parish, told all present that "premarital sex is
a matter of life and death."
....unless it involves altar boys.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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01 Apr 2007 09:00:15 PM |
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On 1 Apr 2007 15:31:41 -0700 there was an Ancient "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Choose God, not MTV, abstinence speaker tells teens
MTV? That's so over.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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01 Apr 2007 06:55:09 PM |
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On 1 Apr 2007 15:31:41 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=23101
Choose God, not MTV, abstinence speaker tells teens
By Cesar J. Baldelomar
2/20/2007
The Florida Catholic (www.thefloridacatholic.org)
MIAMI LAKES, Fla. (The Florida Catholic) - Standing before a church
full of students and their parents, Father James P. Murphy, pastor of
Our Lady of the Lakes Parish, told all present that "premarital sex is
a matter of life and death."
Presumably including between priests and altar boys..?
When it comes to commenting on sexual issues, the RCC's credibility is
nil.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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01 Apr 2007 08:53:16 PM |
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On 1 Apr 2007 15:31:41 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
MIAMI LAKES, Fla. (The Florida Catholic) - Standing before a church
full of students and their parents, Father James P. Murphy, pastor of
Our Lady of the Lakes Parish, told all present that "premarital sex is
a matter of life and death."
That's like a man telling a woman what posture is best to ease the
back pain of pregnancy.
What the hell could a priest know about sex that a Martian rock
couldn't?
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01 Apr 2007 07:32:45 PM |
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On Apr 1, 3:31 pm, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=23101
Choose God, not MTV, abstinence speaker tells teens
The only thing I agree with (but be sure you are choosing God, not
just right wing propaganda or people
who use the name of God to try and control people). That said, anybody
who listens to MTV, or Faux News,
or the other inane crap the boob toob spews out is already rotting
their brain away. Infact, most of the pop crap
isn't really good anymore (good as in actualy enjoyable to listen too,
at least the stuff in the 80s typicaly had
more heart put into it). The tee vee "news" is practicaly worthless
beyond the weather and knowing that
some event has happened. (deep thought? Forget it, it's seems to be
all spins and *****.)
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01 Apr 2007 10:08:09 PM |
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On Apr 1, 6:31 pm, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=23101
Choose God, not MTV, abstinence speaker tells teens
God isn't real and MTV sucks.
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| User: "Kickin Ass and Takin Names" |
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01 Apr 2007 08:26:45 PM |
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On Apr 1, 6:31 pm, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=23101
Choose God, not MTV, abstinence speaker tells teens
By Cesar J. Baldelomar
2/20/2007
The Florida Catholic (www.thefloridacatholic.org)
MIAMI LAKES, Fla. (The Florida Catholic) - Standing before a church
full of students and their parents, Father James P. Murphy, pastor of
Our Lady of the Lakes Parish, told all present that "premarital sex is
a matter of life and death."
Following up on those words, he introduced Pam Stenzel, whom he called
"a messenger from God who is spreading the Christian message about
sexuality."
Stenzel, a world-renowned abstinence speaker known for her wit and
humor when tackling today's toughest sex-related issues, spoke at the
parish. Her talk was co-sponsored by the archdiocese's Respect Life
Office. She also spoke at St. Agnes Academy in Key Biscayne, Fla.
Stenzel directed her message first to adults, telling them that
although children often disagree with parental rules, parents must
nevertheless continue to teach their children morals and values.
She cited her two main rules for dating: no dating until the teen
turns 16, and no single dating, as opposed to staying in groups, until
the teen has graduated from high school.
"I wasn't called to be my daughter's friend. I was called to be her
parent," Stenzel said.
She then directed her message to the youths, saying that sexual
intercourse is good and holy when done within the context of marriage.
Any sex outside of marriage, however, carries consequences aside from
premarital pregnancy, she said.
"Pregnancy should not be every sexually active girl's main worry,"
said Stenzel. "There are far worse consequences, such as STDs
(sexually transmitted diseases)."
In fact, she said, girls are four times more likely to contract a
sexually transmitted disease than to get pregnant.
"Twenty-six of the 30 STDs physically affect girls more than they do
boys," Stenzel said.
One viral infection that harms women more than men is the human
papillomavirus, or HPV, which is transmitted through genital contact,
can cause warts and has been associated with cervical cancer.
"HPV is now the second-leading cause of cancer in women after breast
cancer," said Stenzel, founder and owner of Enlighten Communications,
an organization that strives to promote sexual abstinence through
videos, books and pamphlets. "Making things worse is the fact that
most STD tests, especially HPV tests, are inaccurate and therefore
often give a false sense of hope."
The condom, which according to Stenzel is popular among teens, also
provides a false sense of security.
"Condoms, used properly, provide no protection at all against herpes
and HPV," said Stenzel, whose promotion of abstinence is a direct
result of years spent counseling young women in crisis pregnancies.
She reminded the audience that "the term 'sex' includes any contact
with genitals, meaning that oral sex, which is often downplayed among
teens, is a sexual activity. The belief that oral sex is harmless
because it involves no vaginal penetration is false because scientists
have confirmed that all 30 STDs can be transmitted via oral sex."
"The only safe sex is sex within marriage with a safe partner,"
Stenzel stressed.
Yet the prospect of abstaining from sex until marriage is difficult
for teens, especially when popular culture and the media portray
premarital sex as an expression of freedom and as a utilitarian drive
aimed at satisfying bodily desires.
"Sex involves not just body parts, but also one's heart and soul,"
Stenzel said. "This entails finding the right person who is willing to
make a lifelong promise of love."
She ended her presentation with a reminder for the youths: "Although
there are a plethora of sexually charged messages in the media, it is
your choice to follow either MTV or God. I hope you follow God."
"This is the most incredible speech I have ever heard," said Dayane
Masters, who is a mother of two boys. "Pam, I am sure, has inspired
several teens here today to choose a life of abstinence."
Joanne Martinez, a student at Hialeah High School, said, "Pam's
message is one of truth and love, and I hope that all teens and adults
present here today have learned much from her words of wisdom."
For more information about Pam Stenzel, or to book her for an event,
visitwww.pamstenzel.com. To learn more about sexually transmitted
diseases, visit the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention atwww.cdc.gov/std/default.htm.
I'm confused.
God had pre-marital sex with Mary and knocked her up, resulting in the
birth of Jesus and now the Church tells the kids they shouldn't screw
each other???
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01 Apr 2007 11:49:24 PM |
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On 1 Apr 2007 18:26:45 -0700, "Kickin' ***** and Takin' Names"
<PopUlist349@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 1, 6:31 pm, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=23101
Choose God, not MTV, abstinence speaker tells teens
By Cesar J. Baldelomar
2/20/2007
The Florida Catholic (www.thefloridacatholic.org)
MIAMI LAKES, Fla. (The Florida Catholic) - Standing before a church
full of students and their parents, Father James P. Murphy, pastor of
Our Lady of the Lakes Parish, told all present that "premarital sex is
a matter of life and death."
Following up on those words, he introduced Pam Stenzel, whom he called
"a messenger from God who is spreading the Christian message about
sexuality."
Stenzel, a world-renowned abstinence speaker known for her wit and
humor when tackling today's toughest sex-related issues, spoke at the
parish. Her talk was co-sponsored by the archdiocese's Respect Life
Office. She also spoke at St. Agnes Academy in Key Biscayne, Fla.
Stenzel directed her message first to adults, telling them that
although children often disagree with parental rules, parents must
nevertheless continue to teach their children morals and values.
She cited her two main rules for dating: no dating until the teen
turns 16, and no single dating, as opposed to staying in groups, until
the teen has graduated from high school.
"I wasn't called to be my daughter's friend. I was called to be her
parent," Stenzel said.
She then directed her message to the youths, saying that sexual
intercourse is good and holy when done within the context of marriage.
Any sex outside of marriage, however, carries consequences aside from
premarital pregnancy, she said.
"Pregnancy should not be every sexually active girl's main worry,"
said Stenzel. "There are far worse consequences, such as STDs
(sexually transmitted diseases)."
In fact, she said, girls are four times more likely to contract a
sexually transmitted disease than to get pregnant.
"Twenty-six of the 30 STDs physically affect girls more than they do
boys," Stenzel said.
One viral infection that harms women more than men is the human
papillomavirus, or HPV, which is transmitted through genital contact,
can cause warts and has been associated with cervical cancer.
"HPV is now the second-leading cause of cancer in women after breast
cancer," said Stenzel, founder and owner of Enlighten Communications,
an organization that strives to promote sexual abstinence through
videos, books and pamphlets. "Making things worse is the fact that
most STD tests, especially HPV tests, are inaccurate and therefore
often give a false sense of hope."
The condom, which according to Stenzel is popular among teens, also
provides a false sense of security.
"Condoms, used properly, provide no protection at all against herpes
and HPV," said Stenzel, whose promotion of abstinence is a direct
result of years spent counseling young women in crisis pregnancies.
She reminded the audience that "the term 'sex' includes any contact
with genitals, meaning that oral sex, which is often downplayed among
teens, is a sexual activity. The belief that oral sex is harmless
because it involves no vaginal penetration is false because scientists
have confirmed that all 30 STDs can be transmitted via oral sex."
"The only safe sex is sex within marriage with a safe partner,"
Stenzel stressed.
Yet the prospect of abstaining from sex until marriage is difficult
for teens, especially when popular culture and the media portray
premarital sex as an expression of freedom and as a utilitarian drive
aimed at satisfying bodily desires.
"Sex involves not just body parts, but also one's heart and soul,"
Stenzel said. "This entails finding the right person who is willing to
make a lifelong promise of love."
She ended her presentation with a reminder for the youths: "Although
there are a plethora of sexually charged messages in the media, it is
your choice to follow either MTV or God. I hope you follow God."
"This is the most incredible speech I have ever heard," said Dayane
Masters, who is a mother of two boys. "Pam, I am sure, has inspired
several teens here today to choose a life of abstinence."
Joanne Martinez, a student at Hialeah High School, said, "Pam's
message is one of truth and love, and I hope that all teens and adults
present here today have learned much from her words of wisdom."
For more information about Pam Stenzel, or to book her for an event,
visitwww.pamstenzel.com. To learn more about sexually transmitted
diseases, visit the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention atwww.cdc.gov/std/default.htm.
I'm confused.
God had pre-marital sex with Mary and knocked her up, resulting in the
birth of Jesus and now the Church tells the kids they shouldn't screw
each other???
I guess you didn't read the book you so often like to
criticize. I don't think "immaculate conception" means God had sex
with Mary. I do believe that barnyard conception means your mother got
her rocks off with a retarded bull, and dropped you on the way to the
hospital though. Deep in Louisiana?
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03 Apr 2007 08:45:39 AM |
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On Apr 1, 6:31 pm, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=23101
Choose God, not MTV, abstinence speaker tells teens
Mind your own god-damned business, not the business of others, I tell
you.
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01 Apr 2007 08:50:53 PM |
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On Apr 1, 7:31 pm, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=23101
Choose God, not MTV, abstinence speaker tells teens
By Cesar J. Baldelomar
2/20/2007
The Florida Catholic (www.thefloridacatholic.org)
MIAMI LAKES, Fla. (The Florida Catholic) - Standing before a church
full of students and their parents, Father James P. Murphy, pastor of
Our Lady of the Lakes Parish, told all present that "premarital sex is
a matter of life and death."
Following up on those words, he introduced Pam Stenzel, whom he called
"a messenger from God who is spreading the Christian message about
sexuality."
Stenzel, a world-renowned abstinence speaker known for her wit and
humor when tackling today's toughest sex-related issues, spoke at the
parish. Her talk was co-sponsored by the archdiocese's Respect Life
Office. She also spoke at St. Agnes Academy in Key Biscayne, Fla.
Stenzel directed her message first to adults, telling them that
although children often disagree with parental rules, parents must
nevertheless continue to teach their children morals and values.
She cited her two main rules for dating: no dating until the teen
turns 16, and no single dating, as opposed to staying in groups, until
the teen has graduated from high school.
"I wasn't called to be my daughter's friend. I was called to be her
parent," Stenzel said.
She then directed her message to the youths, saying that sexual
intercourse is good and holy when done within the context of marriage.
Any sex outside of marriage, however, carries consequences aside from
premarital pregnancy, she said.
"Pregnancy should not be every sexually active girl's main worry,"
said Stenzel. "There are far worse consequences, such as STDs
(sexually transmitted diseases)."
In fact, she said, girls are four times more likely to contract a
sexually transmitted disease than to get pregnant.
"Twenty-six of the 30 STDs physically affect girls more than they do
boys," Stenzel said.
One viral infection that harms women more than men is the human
papillomavirus, or HPV, which is transmitted through genital contact,
can cause warts and has been associated with cervical cancer.
"HPV is now the second-leading cause of cancer in women after breast
cancer," said Stenzel, founder and owner of Enlighten Communications,
an organization that strives to promote sexual abstinence through
videos, books and pamphlets. "Making things worse is the fact that
most STD tests, especially HPV tests, are inaccurate and therefore
often give a false sense of hope."
The condom, which according to Stenzel is popular among teens, also
provides a false sense of security.
"Condoms, used properly, provide no protection at all against herpes
and HPV," said Stenzel, whose promotion of abstinence is a direct
result of years spent counseling young women in crisis pregnancies.
She reminded the audience that "the term 'sex' includes any contact
with genitals, meaning that oral sex, which is often downplayed among
teens, is a sexual activity. The belief that oral sex is harmless
because it involves no vaginal penetration is false because scientists
have confirmed that all 30 STDs can be transmitted via oral sex."
"The only safe sex is sex within marriage with a safe partner,"
Stenzel stressed.
Yet the prospect of abstaining from sex until marriage is difficult
for teens, especially when popular culture and the media portray
premarital sex as an expression of freedom and as a utilitarian drive
aimed at satisfying bodily desires.
"Sex involves not just body parts, but also one's heart and soul,"
Stenzel said. "This entails finding the right person who is willing to
make a lifelong promise of love."
She ended her presentation with a reminder for the youths: "Although
there are a plethora of sexually charged messages in the media, it is
your choice to follow either MTV or God. I hope you follow God."
"This is the most incredible speech I have ever heard," said Dayane
Masters, who is a mother of two boys. "Pam, I am sure, has inspired
several teens here today to choose a life of abstinence."
Joanne Martinez, a student at Hialeah High School, said, "Pam's
message is one of truth and love, and I hope that all teens and adults
present here today have learned much from her words of wisdom."
For more information about Pam Stenzel, or to book her for an event,
visitwww.pamstenzel.com. To learn more about sexually transmitted
diseases, visit the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention atwww.cdc.gov/std/default.htm.
Sounds like an excellent speaker and a message the world needs to
hear.
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01 Apr 2007 11:00:41 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
Choose God, not MTV, abstinence speaker tells teens
Choose God, not the pope.
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| User: "William December Starr" |
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04 Apr 2007 09:35:29 PM |
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In article <46107fe9$0$14104$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
rfischer@sonic.net said:
Choose God, not the pope.
In the immortal words of Lt. Nyota Uhura: "Sorry, neither."
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William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com>
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| User: "duke" |
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02 Apr 2007 05:06:29 AM |
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On 02 Apr 2007 04:00:41 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
Choose God, not MTV, abstinence speaker tells teens
Choose God, not the pope.
The Pope has no divinity. Now you're thinking like a Catholic.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Mike" |
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02 Apr 2007 04:00:42 PM |
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On Apr 2, 6:06 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Choose God, not the pope.
The Pope has no divinity. Now you're thinking like a Catholic.
No divinity, but his assholiness does claim infallibility. And how do
we know that the Pope is infallible? Because an idiot council of
cardinals said so (the council did not themselves claim to be
infallible but seemed to think themselves empowered to authoritatively
declare the Pope's infallibility). What a ridiculous anchronism is
the RC church, fit for medieval minded fools.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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02 Apr 2007 04:22:02 PM |
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On 2 Apr 2007 14:00:42 -0700, "Mike" <matmzc@hofstra.edu> wrote:
The Pope has no divinity. Now you're thinking like a Catholic.
No divinity, but his assholiness does claim infallibility. And how do
we know that the Pope is infallible?
You're an atheist. It doesn't matter to you. To we Catholics, we understand.
What a ridiculous anchronism is
the RC church, fit for medieval minded fools.
Jesus himself told the first Pope, St. Peter, that he specifically had the
authorization to bind on earth to be so bound in heaven.
Better luck next time.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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02 Apr 2007 04:45:18 PM |
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In article <8rs213hj8q2sbkpcl6npdgbosqdctk683s@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
Jesus himself told the first Pope, St. Peter, that he specifically had the
authorization to bind on earth to be so bound in heaven.
jesus who?
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| User: "cloud dreamer" |
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02 Apr 2007 04:50:09 PM |
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <8rs213hj8q2sbkpcl6npdgbosqdctk683s@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
Jesus himself told the first Pope, St. Peter, that he specifically had the
authorization to bind on earth to be so bound in heaven.
jesus who?
Isn't he the kid that suggested the flat bottoms for taco shells?
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MMVIII
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| User: "cloud dreamer" |
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02 Apr 2007 04:27:40 PM |
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duke wrote:
On 2 Apr 2007 14:00:42 -0700, "Mike" <matmzc@hofstra.edu> wrote:
The Pope has no divinity. Now you're thinking like a Catholic.
No divinity, but his assholiness does claim infallibility. And how do
we know that the Pope is infallible?
You're an atheist. It doesn't matter to you. To we Catholics, we understand.
Oh yeah...infallible alright...just ask any Muslim how "infallible" he is.
What a ridiculous anchronism is
the RC church, fit for medieval minded fools.
Jesus himself told the first Pope, St. Peter, that he specifically had the
authorization to bind on earth to be so bound in heaven.
Gee...got a recording of that...something on tape? They won't accept
hearsay in a court of law...why should we? The bible is too old, too
edited and translated too many times to be credible. And we have no
medical records that indicates the mental health of those that
supposedly wrote it.
To accept it based on 'faith' is obscenely naive...especially
considering the number of people that have suffered and died as a result
of those writings.
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MMVIII
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| User: "CE" |
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04 Apr 2007 09:58:58 PM |
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On Apr 2, 6:27 pm, cloud dreamer <Inva...@Invalld.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On 2 Apr 2007 14:00:42 -0700, "Mike" <mat...@hofstra.edu> wrote:
The Pope has no divinity. Now you're thinking like a Catholic.
No divinity, but his assholiness does claim infallibility. And how do
we know that the Pope is infallible?
You're an atheist. It doesn't matter to you. To we Catholics, we understand.
Oh yeah...infallible alright...just ask any Muslim how "infallible" he is.
What a ridiculous anchronism is
the RC church, fit for medieval minded fools.
Jesus himself told the first Pope, St. Peter, that he specifically had the
authorization to bind on earth to be so bound in heaven.
Gee...got a recording of that...something on tape?
If we did have a tape recording, wouldn't you then object that it
might be a fake and you'd have no way of knowing otherwise unless
there is another recording of Jesus's voice to compare it to?
They won't accept
hearsay in a court of law...why should we?
Actually, there are several exceptions to the hearsay rule and so
hearsay evidence is often accepted in courts of law. Does the fact
that hearsay evidence is accepted in some cases in courts of law mean
that you'll now accept what you previously regarded as hearsay?
The bible is too old, too
edited and translated too many times to be credible.
Dictionaries are old and often edited. Maps are often old and
translated. And yet, both are examples of things considered to be
credible. If you accept dictionaries and maps, are you prepared to
accept the Bible? And if not, why not?
And we have no
medical records that indicates the mental health of those that
supposedly wrote it.
People who are mentally healthy would not have had to consult with a
mental health practionner - and so there wouldn't be record of such a
person's mental health. No-one has a more detailed record of their
mental health than someone in an insane asylum. Are you suggesting
that you'd prefer to take the word of someone who has spent a lot of
time in an insane asylum and acquired a lengthy mental health record
over the word of someone who is mentally healthy?
To accept it based on 'faith' is obscenely naive...especially
considering the number of people that have suffered and died as a result
of those writings.
Really? Okay, I'll bite. How many people would you say exactly have
died as a result of the commandment "You shall not kill"? Or how about
this one: "You shall not covet your neighbour's wife"? Maybe you can
tell me the exact number of people who have suffered and died as a
result of the command to "Love one another"?
You see, millions have died as a result of wars where countries wanted
to grab more land or natural resources. If they'd instead "not
coveted", those millions of lives would have been spared. If people
had instead accepted the command "You shall not kill", millions of
lives would have been spared. If they accepted the command to "Love
one another", well, you get the picture.
So, in the big scheme of things, I'd be really curious to know how
many people you think it is that died as a result of the teachings of
Christianity?
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| User: "Robert" |
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05 Apr 2007 12:29:48 PM |
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On 4 Apr 2007 19:58:58 -0700, "CE" <jlrisdon@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:27 pm, cloud dreamer <Inva...@Invalld.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On 2 Apr 2007 14:00:42 -0700, "Mike" <mat...@hofstra.edu> wrote:
The Pope has no divinity. Now you're thinking like a Catholic.
No divinity, but his assholiness does claim infallibility. And how do
we know that the Pope is infallible?
You're an atheist. It doesn't matter to you. To we Catholics, we understand.
Oh yeah...infallible alright...just ask any Muslim how "infallible" he is.
What a ridiculous anchronism is
the RC church, fit for medieval minded fools.
Jesus himself told the first Pope, St. Peter, that he specifically had the
authorization to bind on earth to be so bound in heaven.
Gee...got a recording of that...something on tape?
If we did have a tape recording, wouldn't you then object that it
might be a fake and you'd have no way of knowing otherwise unless
there is another recording of Jesus's voice to compare it to?
They won't accept
hearsay in a court of law...why should we?
Actually, there are several exceptions to the hearsay rule and so
hearsay evidence is often accepted in courts of law. Does the fact
that hearsay evidence is accepted in some cases in courts of law mean
that you'll now accept what you previously regarded as hearsay?
The bible is too old, too
edited and translated too many times to be credible.
Dictionaries are old and often edited. Maps are often old and
translated. And yet, both are examples of things considered to be
credible. If you accept dictionaries and maps, are you prepared to
accept the Bible? And if not, why not?
And we have no
medical records that indicates the mental health of those that
supposedly wrote it.
People who are mentally healthy would not have had to consult with a
mental health practionner - and so there wouldn't be record of such a
person's mental health. No-one has a more detailed record of their
mental health than someone in an insane asylum. Are you suggesting
that you'd prefer to take the word of someone who has spent a lot of
time in an insane asylum and acquired a lengthy mental health record
over the word of someone who is mentally healthy?
To accept it based on 'faith' is obscenely naive...especially
considering the number of people that have suffered and died as a result
of those writings.
Really? Okay, I'll bite. How many people would you say exactly have
died as a result of the commandment "You shall not kill"? Or how about
this one: "You shall not covet your neighbour's wife"? Maybe you can
tell me the exact number of people who have suffered and died as a
result of the command to "Love one another"?
You see, millions have died as a result of wars where countries wanted
to grab more land or natural resources. If they'd instead "not
coveted", those millions of lives would have been spared. If people
had instead accepted the command "You shall not kill", millions of
lives would have been spared. If they accepted the command to "Love
one another", well, you get the picture.
So, in the big scheme of things, I'd be really curious to know how
many people you think it is that died as a result of the teachings of
Christianity?
6+ million German Jews, atheist, handicapped, Homosexuals and Gypsies.
20+million Russians, 10 + million Native American. A un estimated
millions of African natives. All the unfortunate victims of Christian
Love. Spread the Gospel through out the world.
Christians ignore the teachings, and use them to justify the lust
for power and wealth.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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03 Apr 2007 05:13:48 AM |
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On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:57:40 -0230, cloud dreamer <Invalid@Invalld.com> wrote:
The Pope has no divinity. Now you're thinking like a Catholic.
No divinity, but his assholiness does claim infallibility. And how do
we know that the Pope is infallible?
You're an atheist. It doesn't matter to you. To we Catholics, we understand.
Oh yeah...infallible alright...just ask any Muslim how "infallible" he is.
We don't worry about muslims. We go by what God says.
What a ridiculous anchronism is
the RC church, fit for medieval minded fools.
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