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"Fred Stone" |
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14 Apr 2004 09:36:08 AM |
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Chris Dodd says a Lott; where's the outrage? |
http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21PRDodd404.html
Members of the African-American leadership network Project 21 are asking
U.S. Senator Christopher J. Dodd to resign his seat in the wake of
inappropriate comments he made commemorating fellow senator Robert C.
Byrd's 17,000th Senate vote.
Senator Dodd said: "I do not think it is an exaggeration at all to say
to my friend from West Virginia that he would have been a great senator
at any moment. Some were right for a time. Robert C. Byrd, in my view,
would have been right for any time."
"How could Senator Dodd have made the comments he did with a straight
face? And how can he believe he's going to get away with it? Robert Byrd
is a former leader in the Ku Klux Klan, and later an opponent of civil
rights legislation. I can think of many places in American history where
I wouldn't want him setting our nation's agenda," said Project 21 Kevin
Martin. "When Senator Trent Lott made similar comments about Senator
Strom Thurmond at a party, he was roundly condemned. He lost his
leadership post, and almost drummed out of the Senate. What Lott said
was hurtful, and he paid a price at Senator Dodd's urging. Now it's
Dodd's time to face the music and resign."
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Chris Dodd says a Lott; where's the outrage? |
14 Apr 2004 11:38:18 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Members of the African-American leadership
network Project 21 are asking U.S. Senator
Christopher J. Dodd to resign his seat in the
wake of inappropriate comments he made
commemorating fellow senator Robert C.
Byrd's 17,000th Senate vote.
Comparing Chris Dodd to Trent Lott is a sick joke.
Really. It's a new low.
Trnt Lott didn't celebrate the career of a man with a
racist past, he singled out that racist past, specifically,
and he talked about how much better things would
have been if the racist policies of the past were enacted
as law.
But that's not all. Nope. It's not even the worst of it.
Trent Lott was the man the Republicans chose to lead them
in the upper house of congress after Bob Dole stepped down.
He was the Republican majority leader. As the leader of the
Republicans in the Senate, Trent Lott endorsed a white
supremacist group.
Trent Lott allowed his name to be used by a white supremacist
group for recruitment & fundraising. He did this when he was
the man the Republicans chose to lead them in the Senate.
Trent Lott's relationship with the white supremacist group went
on for years. His "column" that he wrote appeared in their
newsletter for some two and a half years before the relationship
came to light. He spoke before the group on numerous occassions.
Then, back in 1998, as the sitting leader of the upper house of
congress, his close relationship with the white supremacist group
came to light.
Trent Lott lied. He said he had "no firsthand knowledge" of the
group, the group he spoke in front of on numerous occassions
and endorsed.
Here's the group Trent Lott endorsed:
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/CCCitizens.asp?xpicked=3&item=12
Here's the groups published list of endorsements, the one Trent Lott
consented to have his name appear on:
http://www.adl.org/mwd/ccc1.asp
Here's a scan of his column (scroll down), as it appeared in the
white supremacist group's newsletter:
http://www.adl.org/mwd/ccc3.asp
How any of this compares to Christopher Dodd saluting a man who
REJECTED and DENOUNCED his past is a mystery to all except
racist like you, "Fred."
Have you no shame?
Relax. It's a rhetorical question.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: There shouldn't be an outrage at this manufactured *****. |
14 Apr 2004 10:22:20 AM |
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In article <Xns94CB6BDA24DD4fstone69@207.69.154.201>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21PRDodd404.html
Members of the African-American leadership network Project 21 are asking
U.S. Senator Christopher J. Dodd to resign his seat in the wake of
inappropriate comments he made commemorating fellow senator Robert C.
Byrd's 17,000th Senate vote.
Senator Dodd said: "I do not think it is an exaggeration at all to say
to my friend from West Virginia that he would have been a great senator
at any moment. Some were right for a time. Robert C. Byrd, in my view,
would have been right for any time."
Bush has been spinning his own statements like a cyclotron and we're
supposed to be concerned about an ambiguous statement like this. It's
very clear that neither Dodd nor Byrd have racist agendas today, but
rather the opposite. It sounds like he's saying that the person he now
knows senator Byrd to be has the right characteristics of leadership.
OTOH, Lott commented about Thurmond's candidacy for president on a
segregationist platform and commented that we might have been better off
if Thurmond had won. Clearly Dodd said nothing even close to that
sinister, nor would it be consistent with the political positions of
himself of Byrd to construe it in a way that promoted racism.
"When Senator Trent Lott made similar comments
Senator Lott was unrepentant about his own intolerance and was still
using his senatorial powers to advance racial division and
discrimination. It's the repug "southern strategy". Keep the
"crackers" and the "negroes" at each other's throats. Dodd has shown
through his voting record, that he is a friend of the black community,
whereas Lott has shown himself to be their enemy. Therefore, while Dodd
said something ambiguous, Lott was very definitely just taking the
opportunity to exploit thurmonds birthday to advance neo-segregationist
ideas. Dodd was not advancing a racist agenda, nor would Byrd have
approved of it if he did. Neither of the men are racists and their
voting records have proven that they respect the rights of minorities.
Go dig for muck somewhere else.
about Senator
Strom Thurmond at a party, he was roundly condemned. He lost his
leadership post, and almost drummed out of the Senate.
Dodd and Byrd have both proven that they are not racists, whereas Lott
was proud to still be a bigot. Frankly, I think that Lott was surprised
that he was unable to get away with his bigotry, which he practiced with
relative impunity until that time. He eventually tried a disingenuous
denial/apology, but he was rightly not believed, since his actions
betrayed the falsity of his claims.
What Lott said
was hurtful, and he paid a price at Senator Dodd's urging.
Ah, now it becomes clear. Right wingers have been parsing every
sentence out of Dodd's mouth since that day, hoping to find something
they could spin into an attack. Perhaps now they're hoping to cover
their tracks by feeding nonsense to bedfellows on the far left to make
the charges seem more genuine. Unfortunately, they are praying for
lightning to strike twice and it ain't gonna happen. Nice try and all
that, but repugs really aren't as masterful at the politics of
relentless attacks as they think. I'm sure Dodd will meet with his many
black friends and offer some legislation aimed at helping the black
community. Dodd can do that, unlike Lott, because his constituency
isn't a bunch of stealth racists.
Now it's
Dodd's time to face the music and resign."
Keep dreaming. You assholes don't care about civil rights. It's very
clear that Dodd never said Byrd's former racist views were acceptable.
He is talking about Byrd right now, who is not a racist, and
recommending his present disposition as a model for leadership.
...
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: There shouldn't be an outrage at this manufactured *****. |
14 Apr 2004 12:03:09 PM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1ae70507a544f3379896d1@news.individual.net:
In article <Xns94CB6BDA24DD4fstone69@207.69.154.201>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21PRDodd404.html
Members of the African-American leadership network Project 21 are
asking U.S. Senator Christopher J. Dodd to resign his seat in the
wake of inappropriate comments he made commemorating fellow senator
Robert C. Byrd's 17,000th Senate vote.
Senator Dodd said: "I do not think it is an exaggeration at all to
say to my friend from West Virginia that he would have been a great
senator at any moment. Some were right for a time. Robert C. Byrd, in
my view, would have been right for any time."
Bush has been spinning his own statements like a cyclotron and we're
supposed to be concerned about an ambiguous statement like this. It's
very clear that neither Dodd nor Byrd have racist agendas today, but
rather the opposite.
Hypocrite.
It sounds like he's saying that the person he now
knows senator Byrd to be has the right characteristics of leadership.
"Robert C. Byrd, in my view, would have been right for any time."
OTOH, Lott commented about Thurmond's candidacy for president on a
segregationist platform and commented that we might have been better
off if Thurmond had won. Clearly Dodd said nothing even close to that
sinister, nor would it be consistent with the political positions of
himself of Byrd to construe it in a way that promoted racism.
Oh, Byrd can change but Thurmond can't. Gotcha.
"When Senator Trent Lott made similar comments
Senator Lott was unrepentant about his own intolerance and was still
using his senatorial powers to advance racial division and
discrimination. It's the repug "southern strategy". Keep the
"crackers" and the "negroes" at each other's throats. Dodd has shown
through his voting record, that he is a friend of the black community,
whereas Lott has shown himself to be their enemy. Therefore, while
Dodd said something ambiguous, Lott was very definitely just taking
the opportunity to exploit thurmonds birthday to advance
neo-segregationist ideas.
Hypocrite. Dodd's comment wasn't any more ambiguous than Lott's.
Dodd was not advancing a racist agenda, nor
would Byrd have approved of it if he did. Neither of the men are
racists and their voting records have proven that they respect the
rights of minorities. Go dig for muck somewhere else.
Too late, the muck has already bubbled to the surface.
about Senator
Strom Thurmond at a party, he was roundly condemned. He lost his
leadership post, and almost drummed out of the Senate.
Dodd and Byrd have both proven that they are not racists, whereas Lott
was proud to still be a bigot. Frankly, I think that Lott was
surprised that he was unable to get away with his bigotry, which he
practiced with relative impunity until that time. He eventually tried
a disingenuous denial/apology, but he was rightly not believed, since
his actions betrayed the falsity of his claims.
Hypocrite.
What Lott said
was hurtful, and he paid a price at Senator Dodd's urging.
Ah, now it becomes clear. Right wingers have been parsing every
sentence out of Dodd's mouth since that day, hoping to find something
they could spin into an attack.
Yeah, notice who made the charges. Black conservatives, who *also*
condemned Lott.
Perhaps now they're hoping to cover
their tracks by feeding nonsense to bedfellows on the far left to make
the charges seem more genuine. Unfortunately, they are praying for
lightning to strike twice and it ain't gonna happen. Nice try and all
that, but repugs really aren't as masterful at the politics of
relentless attacks as they think. I'm sure Dodd will meet with his
many black friends and offer some legislation aimed at helping the
black community. Dodd can do that, unlike Lott, because his
constituency isn't a bunch of stealth racists.
Now it's
Dodd's time to face the music and resign."
Keep dreaming. You assholes don't care about civil rights. It's very
clear that Dodd never said Byrd's former racist views were acceptable.
He is talking about Byrd right now, who is not a racist, and
recommending his present disposition as a model for leadership.
"Right for any time". Yep, that's just like what Lott said about
Thurmond.
Hypocrite.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: There shouldn't be an outrage at this manufactured *****. |
17 Apr 2004 03:32:33 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote
Bush has been spinning his own statements like a cyclotron
and we're supposed to be concerned about an ambiguous
statement like this. It's very clear that neither Dodd nor
Byrd have racist agendas today, but rather the opposite.
Hypocrite.
Dodd celebrated a man who denounced his past, Lott celebrated
a past that was denounced by the man.
Dodd has never been a racist or held racist views, Lott was
actively endorsing a white supremacist group AS SENATE
MAJORITY LEADER.
If you see any similarities between the two, it's only because
you're a worthless low-life who feels compelled to defend
a white supremacist like Trent Lott.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: There shouldn't be an outrage at this manufactured *****. |
15 Apr 2004 07:04:01 PM |
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In article <Xns94CB84C68F126fstone69@207.69.154.203>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
Bush has been spinning his own statements like a cyclotron and we're
supposed to be concerned about an ambiguous statement like this. It's
very clear that neither Dodd nor Byrd have racist agendas today, but
rather the opposite.
Hypocrite.
Fred, you and your ilk are so blinded by revenge and silly political
delusions that you'd accuse Martin Luther King of racism of hating black
people if you thought you had long enough to spin some out of context
quote. You know damn well that Dodd did not make racist remarks, nor is
he is racist, unlike Trent Snott. Now get real and pay attention to the
actual argument next time.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: There shouldn't be an outrage at this manufactured *****. |
15 Apr 2004 07:58:30 PM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1ae8d0dfc50530b59896dd@news.individual.net:
In article <Xns94CB84C68F126fstone69@207.69.154.203>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
Bush has been spinning his own statements like a cyclotron and
we're supposed to be concerned about an ambiguous statement like
this. It's very clear that neither Dodd nor Byrd have racist
agendas today, but rather the opposite.
Hypocrite.
Fred, you and your ilk
My "ilk". What a prejudiced remark! Shame on you!
are so blinded by revenge and silly political
delusions that you'd accuse Martin Luther King of racism of hating
black people if you thought you had long enough to spin some out of
context quote.
That might be fun if I didn't respect Martin Luther King as much as I
do.
You know damn well that Dodd did not make racist
remarks, nor is he is racist, unlike Trent Snott. Now get real and
pay attention to the actual argument next time.
Sure, q, look at you squirm! Of course Dodd made a remark that was just
as capable of being interpreted as a racist remark as Lott did. They
both praised old segregationists *long* after those they praised changed
their stripes. If Byrd can be forgiven, so can Thurmond. Lott was no
more racist than Dodd, no matter how many right-wing organizations he
belonged to.
Of course you have to believe otherwise, don't you? Your petty
namecalling betrays your partisan prejudice. It all shows what a double
standard you have, quibbler.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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