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"Truth Hunter" |
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17 Aug 2004 08:01:53 AM |
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Christ sitting at the right hand of God |
Christ sitting at the right hand of God
"If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are
above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God." (Colossians
3:1).
If they were 'one God and same' - wouldnt they be sitting on the same chair?
Wouldn't he be sitting on his own right hand?
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| User: "Sara Brum" |
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| Title: Re: Christ sitting at the right hand of God |
17 Aug 2004 12:30:24 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0408170501.3b810fcc@posting.google.com...
Christ sitting at the right hand of God
"If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are
above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God." (Colossians
3:1).
If they were 'one God and same' - wouldnt they be sitting on the same
chair?
Wouldn't he be sitting on his own right hand?
That settles it. God is Catholic.
"Come over here, Jesus. Sit on my hand."
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Christ sitting at the right hand of God |
17 Aug 2004 07:28:49 PM |
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 03:30:24 +1000 in episode
<2oetm6Fa3atmU1@uni-berlin.de> we saw our hero "Sara Brum"
<sarabrum@medulla.com>:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0408170501.3b810fcc@posting.google.com...
Christ sitting at the right hand of God
"If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above,
where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God." (Colossians 3:1).
If they were 'one God and same' - wouldnt they be sitting on the same
chair?
Wouldn't he be sitting on his own right hand?
That settles it. God is Catholic.
"Come over here, Jesus. Sit on my hand."
Except being a trinity, he'd be playing with himself...
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| User: "JCB" |
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| Title: Re: Christ sitting at the right hand of God |
17 Aug 2004 05:01:48 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0408170501.3b810fcc@posting.google.com...
Christ sitting at the right hand of God
"If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are
above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God." (Colossians
3:1).
If they were 'one God and same' - wouldnt they be sitting on the same
chair?
Wouldn't he be sitting on his own right hand?
My understanding of that verse is that it is talking of the place of power
or authority, not necessarily literally the 'right side. The 'right hand'
(or 'right hand man') of the King was the person that would hold the same
power and authority as the King himself.
Now, if you don't understand the idea of the Trinity (and none of us
probably completely do) then the idea still may not make any sense to you,
but that is the explanation that is most common to me.
In Love,
JCB
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| User: "ChuckPFb" |
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| Title: Re: Christ sitting at the right hand of God |
19 Aug 2004 09:10:13 AM |
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"JCB" <jcb2354@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
Now, if you don't understand the idea of the Trinity (and none of us
probably completely do)
I don't see how it's possible to understand it in the least, the concept is
nonsense. One cannot equal three.
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| User: "kuff \Isaac Adams" |
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| Title: Re: Christ sitting at the right hand of God |
19 Aug 2004 10:04:01 AM |
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"ChuckPFb" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:9x2Vc.224903$OB3.2518@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"JCB" <jcb2354@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
Now, if you don't understand the idea of the Trinity (and none of us
probably completely do)
I don't see how it's possible to understand it in the least, the concept is
nonsense. One cannot equal three.
"1 + 1 = 3 for sufficiently large values of 1."
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| User: "Mad Scientist" |
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19 Aug 2004 10:19:35 AM |
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kuff (Isaac Adams) wrote:
"ChuckPFb" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:9x2Vc.224903$OB3.2518@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"JCB" <jcb2354@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
Now, if you don't understand the idea of the Trinity (and none of us
probably completely do)
I don't see how it's possible to understand it in the least, the concept is
nonsense. One cannot equal three.
One Pyramid with three faces is still one Pyramid.
"1 + 1 = 3 for sufficiently large values of 1."
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| User: "ChuckPFb" |
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19 Aug 2004 09:18:13 PM |
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"Mad Scientist" <alice@in.wonderland> wrote in message > kuff (Isaac Adams) wrote:
"ChuckPFb" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
"JCB" <jcb2354@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
Now, if you don't understand the idea of the Trinity (and none of us
probably completely do)
I don't see how it's possible to understand it in the least, the concept is
nonsense. One cannot equal three.
One Pyramid with three faces is still one Pyramid.
So, what are we talking about here? Pyramids or faces?
One can just as easily say that one woman with 2 breasts is still one woman.
So what?
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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19 Aug 2004 09:05:25 PM |
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:19:35 GMT, Mad Scientist <alice@in.wonderland>
wrote:
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One Pyramid with three faces is still one Pyramid.
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A pyramid with 3 faces is impossible.
A pyramid with 4 faces is a tetrahedron.
It's only when you get to 5 faces that it becomes a pyramid.
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| User: "kuff \Isaac Adams" |
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19 Aug 2004 09:30:51 PM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:10nai05ktn1ggk7npoe4gcp5jjpnu41br5@4ax.com...
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:19:35 GMT, Mad Scientist <alice@in.wonderland>
wrote:
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One Pyramid with three faces is still one Pyramid.
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A pyramid with 3 faces is impossible.
A pyramid with 4 faces is a tetrahedron.
It's only when you get to 5 faces that it becomes a pyramid.
I think it was meant to be meaningless - wasn't it? After all, any x with y
is still x.
He probably should have use a triangle for his little jest.
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| User: "Virgil" |
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19 Aug 2004 11:58:39 PM |
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In article <10nai05ktn1ggk7npoe4gcp5jjpnu41br5@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:19:35 GMT, Mad Scientist <alice@in.wonderland>
wrote:
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One Pyramid with three faces is still one Pyramid.
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A pyramid with 3 faces is impossible.
That depends on whether one considers the base a 'face' or not. It would
be a face in mathematics, but not in architecture.
A pyramid with 4 faces is a tetrahedron.
It's only when you get to 5 faces that it becomes a pyramid.
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| User: "Mad Scientist" |
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20 Aug 2004 12:07:11 AM |
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Virgil wrote:
In article <10nai05ktn1ggk7npoe4gcp5jjpnu41br5@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:19:35 GMT, Mad Scientist <alice@in.wonderland>
wrote:
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One Pyramid with three faces is still one Pyramid.
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A pyramid with 3 faces is impossible.
Depends on how you look at it I guess. I could argue that even the
Trinity is beyond definition, because God is beyond time and space. He
is neither 'here nor there' as the Ancient Tibetans, and Chinese put it.
And when you understand this you also realize that the universe is not
limited to one dimension, nor one space time, because the author or
Creator is beyond space and time. When you realize that the universes
are many, then you also realize that universes are open-ended and thus
so is the Creator. When you realize that the universes, and the Creator
are open-ended, you then also become open-ended. Thus I could easily
say that the Creator has a million, or a billion, or even a trillion
'faces' and still be correct.
That depends on whether one considers the base a 'face' or not. It would
be a face in mathematics, but not in architecture.
A pyramid with 4 faces is a tetrahedron.
It's only when you get to 5 faces that it becomes a pyramid.
The Pyramid with 5 faces is pure mathematics, not architectural.
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| User: "ChuckPFb" |
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20 Aug 2004 08:51:02 AM |
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"Mad Scientist" <alice@in.wonderland> wrote in message
When you realize that the universes
are many, then you also realize that universes are open-ended and thus
so is the Creator. When you realize that the universes, and the Creator
are open-ended, you then also become open-ended.
Some Catholic priests are very pleased when they have open-ended altar boys!
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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20 Aug 2004 06:20:52 AM |
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 05:07:11 GMT, Mad Scientist <alice@in.wonderland>
wrote:
Virgil wrote:
In article <10nai05ktn1ggk7npoe4gcp5jjpnu41br5@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:19:35 GMT, Mad Scientist <alice@in.wonderland>
wrote:
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One Pyramid with three faces is still one Pyramid.
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A pyramid with 3 faces is impossible.
Depends on how you look at it I guess. I could argue that even the
It does not.
A non-trivial solid cannot have less then 4 plane faces.
Where did you get your math degree from?
Trinity is beyond definition, because God is beyond time and space. He
is neither 'here nor there' as the Ancient Tibetans, and Chinese put it.
And when you understand this you also realize that the universe is not
limited to one dimension, nor one space time, because the author or
Creator is beyond space and time. When you realize that the universes
are many, then you also realize that universes are open-ended and thus
so is the Creator. When you realize that the universes, and the Creator
are open-ended, you then also become open-ended. Thus I could easily
say that the Creator has a million, or a billion, or even a trillion
'faces' and still be correct.
You would 100% wrong.
That diatribe has nothing to do with how many faces a pyramid has.
That depends on whether one considers the base a 'face' or not. It would
be a face in mathematics, but not in architecture.
A pyramid with 4 faces is a tetrahedron.
It's only when you get to 5 faces that it becomes a pyramid.
The Pyramid with 5 faces is pure mathematics, not architectural.
Wipe the corner of your mouth.
You are dribbling *****.
Most of the traditional Egyptian pyramids have 5 faces.
Four that you can see, and one on the bottom.
They are plainly not "pure mathematics", and are "architectural".
Don't you find being so exhaustively contrary gets a bit tedious after
a while?
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| User: "Mad Scientist" |
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20 Aug 2004 10:34:56 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 05:07:11 GMT, Mad Scientist <alice@in.wonderland>
wrote:
Virgil wrote:
In article <10nai05ktn1ggk7npoe4gcp5jjpnu41br5@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:19:35 GMT, Mad Scientist <alice@in.wonderland>
wrote:
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One Pyramid with three faces is still one Pyramid.
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A pyramid with 3 faces is impossible.
Depends on how you look at it I guess. I could argue that even the
It does not.
A non-trivial solid cannot have less then 4 plane faces.
Where did you get your math degree from?
Trinity is beyond definition, because God is beyond time and space. He
is neither 'here nor there' as the Ancient Tibetans, and Chinese put it.
And when you understand this you also realize that the universe is not
limited to one dimension, nor one space time, because the author or
Creator is beyond space and time. When you realize that the universes
are many, then you also realize that universes are open-ended and thus
so is the Creator. When you realize that the universes, and the Creator
are open-ended, you then also become open-ended. Thus I could easily
say that the Creator has a million, or a billion, or even a trillion
'faces' and still be correct.
You would 100% wrong.
That diatribe has nothing to do with how many faces a pyramid has.
Well according to you maybe; but who really cares what you think?
That depends on whether one considers the base a 'face' or not. It would
be a face in mathematics, but not in architecture.
Who really cares what this dummy has to say?
A pyramid with 4 faces is a tetrahedron.
It's only when you get to 5 faces that it becomes a pyramid.
The Pyramid with 5 faces is pure mathematics, not architectural.
Wipe the corner of your mouth.
You are dribbling *****.
Most of the traditional Egyptian pyramids have 5 faces.
Four that you can see, and one on the bottom.
They are plainly not "pure mathematics", and are "architectural".
Don't you find being so exhaustively contrary gets a bit tedious after
a while?
If you had any modicum of intelligence you could have easily inferred
that I missed putting in 'they are not necessarily architectural' and
the real point of that will remain a secret. Besides I was writing that
at about 4 in the morning dummy.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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21 Aug 2004 04:10:16 AM |
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:34:56 GMT, Mad Scientist <alice@in.wonderland>
wrote:
One last response before the big plonk,
coz it's both very illustrative of your complete imbecilty,
and mildly amusing as well...
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That depends on whether one considers the base a 'face' or not. It would
be a face in mathematics, but not in architecture.
Who really cares what this dummy has to say?
That "dummy" was YOU
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| User: "Holden" |
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18 Aug 2004 12:44:39 PM |
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JCB wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0408170501.3b810fcc@posting.google.com...
Christ sitting at the right hand of God
"If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are
above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God."
(Colossians 3:1).
If they were 'one God and same' - wouldnt they be sitting on the
same chair?
Wouldn't he be sitting on his own right hand?
My understanding of that verse is that it is talking of the place of
power or authority, not necessarily literally the 'right side. The
'right hand' (or 'right hand man') of the King was the person that
would hold the same power and authority as the King himself.
Now, if you don't understand the idea of the Trinity (and none of us
probably completely do) then the idea still may not make any sense to
you, but that is the explanation that is most common to me.
In Love,
JCB
I understand the Trinity! It's a story made up by ancient men to explain
things they didn't understand. If it made complete sense, it wouldn't seem
mystical and divine....
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| User: "Richard Jackson" |
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18 Aug 2004 10:22:36 PM |
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"Holden" <nothx@ihatespam.com> wrote in message
news:2ohis9Fb3kbmU1@uni-berlin.de...
JCB wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0408170501.3b810fcc@posting.google.com...
Christ sitting at the right hand of God
"If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are
above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God."
(Colossians 3:1).
If they were 'one God and same' - wouldnt they be sitting on the
same chair?
Wouldn't he be sitting on his own right hand?
My understanding of that verse is that it is talking of the place of
power or authority, not necessarily literally the 'right side. The
'right hand' (or 'right hand man') of the King was the person that
would hold the same power and authority as the King himself.
Now, if you don't understand the idea of the Trinity (and none of us
probably completely do) then the idea still may not make any sense to
you, but that is the explanation that is most common to me.
In Love,
JCB
I understand the Trinity! It's a story made up by ancient men to explain
things they didn't understand. If it made complete sense, it wouldn't seem
mystical and divine....
What you are implying is that you ( as many others) do not understand the
trinity. who but God could fully understand it?
Yes I agree, the Right hand man is the one who has the same authority, one
below the top.
the closest example that could be given is that we are made in Gods
image(not power), and we are Body(as yet carnal,mortal), Soul(mind, will and
emotions), and spirit.
1- soul as Father, what makes us who we are
2- body as the Son(The Lord Jesus(physical to this world, and we can not do
anything with out a body in this world)
3- spirit as Spirit, What makes us similar(in the invisible) and connected
(or unconnected if our spirit is dead to God)to God(the trinity)
the Son is a physical representation of our invisible God, born of a virgin
woman and God The Father, and the genealogy stopped with the first born(the
Son of God).(first mortal to be born into immortality)
Especially with the Koran, God refers to himself as We and Our.
Even when angles go to see God, they only come into his presence, nowhere
does it say that any being has seen the father(God himself)
So you do not think Gods word is divine? And yes, God is a mystery? why does
he want to save us? we do not deserve it(no matter how hard we try)!
Still Carnal,(myself)
Richard Jackson
Truthfully look at the Prophecy's,
many have to do with Gods displeasure with his people, not unbelievers.
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| User: "ChuckPFb" |
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19 Aug 2004 03:07:22 AM |
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"Richard Jackson" <booger7035n14@hotmail.com> wrote in message
What you are implying is that you ( as many others) do not understand the
trinity. who but God could fully understand it?
Yes, God is the only entity in the universe that can understand utter nonsense.
No doubt God understands Scientology as well.
the Son is a physical representation of our invisible God, born of a virgin
woman and God The Father, and the genealogy stopped with the first born(the
Son of God).(first mortal to be born into immortality)
Yes, and according the Bible, the Son got his own mother pregnant with Himself -
the most truly bizarre form of incest imaginable.
So you do not think Gods word is divine? And yes, God is a mystery? why does
he want to save us? we do not deserve it(no matter how hard we try)!
The human ability to create and belief in nonsense is a true mystery.
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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19 Aug 2004 09:40:10 AM |
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"ChuckPFb" <nospam@nospam.com> astounded us with:
news:_cZUc.224092$OB3.50788@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
"Richard Jackson" <booger7035n14@hotmail.com> wrote in message
What you are implying is that you ( as many others) do not understand
the trinity. who but God could fully understand it?
Yes, God is the only entity in the universe that can understand utter
nonsense. No doubt God understands Scientology as well.
the Son is a physical representation of our invisible God, born of a
virgin woman and God The Father, and the genealogy stopped with the
first born(the Son of God).(first mortal to be born into immortality)
Yes, and according the Bible, the Son got his own mother pregnant with
Himself - the most truly bizarre form of incest imaginable.
So you do not think Gods word is divine? And yes, God is a mystery? why
does he want to save us? we do not deserve it(no matter how hard we
try)!
The human ability to create and belief in nonsense is a true mystery.
Against stupidity the very gods themselves contend in vain.
Friedrich von Schiller
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Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://forums.clickhalah.com/index.php
Remove "s" to respond
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| User: "Richard Jackson" |
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20 Aug 2004 12:16:06 PM |
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"ChuckPFb" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:_cZUc.224092$OB3.50788@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Richard Jackson" <booger7035n14@hotmail.com> wrote in message
What you are implying is that you ( as many others) do not understand
the
trinity. who but God could fully understand it?
Yes, God is the only entity in the universe that can understand utter
nonsense.
No doubt God understands Scientology as well.
the Son is a physical representation of our invisible God, born of a
virgin
woman and God The Father, and the genealogy stopped with the first
born(the
Son of God).(first mortal to be born into immortality)
Yes, and according the Bible, the Son got his own mother pregnant with
Himself -
the most truly bizarre form of incest imaginable.
So you do not think Gods word is divine? And yes, God is a mystery? why
does
he want to save us? we do not deserve it(no matter how hard we try)!
The human ability to create and belief in nonsense is a true mystery.
a closed mind is a dead one that is not interested in truth,
follow the Jew, all prophecy's revolve around them.
Richard Jackson
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| User: "ChuckPFb" |
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20 Aug 2004 08:01:56 PM |
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"Richard Jackson" <booger7035n14@hotmail.com> wrote in message
a closed mind is a dead one that is not interested in truth,
follow the Jew, all prophecy's revolve around them.
A mind under cult control can certainly be called a dead one.
What jew and what prophecies are you mumbling about?
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| User: "Elaine" |
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19 Aug 2004 03:33:45 PM |
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"ChuckPFb" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:_cZUc.224092$OB3.50788@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Richard Jackson" <booger7035n14@hotmail.com> wrote in message
What you are implying is that you ( as many others) do not understand the
trinity. who but God could fully understand it?
Yes, God is the only entity in the universe that can understand utter
nonsense.
No doubt God understands Scientology as well.
the Son is a physical representation of our invisible God, born of a
virgin
woman and God The Father, and the genealogy stopped with the first
born(the
Son of God).(first mortal to be born into immortality)
Yes, and according the Bible, the Son got his own mother pregnant with
Himself -
the most truly bizarre form of incest imaginable.
Yes, we Baptist believe some weird *****! LOL
Elaine
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Christ sitting at the right hand of God |
19 Aug 2004 07:28:11 PM |
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:22:36 -0700 in episode
<I4VUc.106493$xk.70089@fed1read01> we saw our hero "Richard Jackson"
<booger7035n14@hotmail.com>:
"Holden" <nothx@ihatespam.com> wrote in message
news:2ohis9Fb3kbmU1@uni-berlin.de...
JCB wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0408170501.3b810fcc@posting.google.com...
Christ sitting at the right hand of God "If then you were raised with
Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting
at the right hand of God." (Colossians 3:1).
If they were 'one God and same' - wouldnt they be sitting on the same
chair?
Wouldn't he be sitting on his own right hand?
My understanding of that verse is that it is talking of the place of
power or authority, not necessarily literally the 'right side. The
'right hand' (or 'right hand man') of the King was the person that
would hold the same power and authority as the King himself.
Now, if you don't understand the idea of the Trinity (and none of us
probably completely do) then the idea still may not make any sense to
you, but that is the explanation that is most common to me.
In Love,
JCB
I understand the Trinity! It's a story made up by ancient men to explain
things they didn't understand. If it made complete sense, it wouldn't
seem mystical and divine....
What you are implying is that you ( as many others) do not understand the
trinity. who but God could fully understand it?
Yes I agree, the Right hand man is the one who has the same authority, one
below the top.
the closest example that could be given is that we are made in Gods
image(not power), and we are Body(as yet carnal,mortal), Soul(mind, will
and emotions), and spirit.
1- soul as Father, what makes us who we are 2- body as the Son(The Lord
Jesus(physical to this world, and we can not do anything with out a body
in this world) 3- spirit as Spirit, What makes us similar(in the
invisible) and connected (or unconnected if our spirit is dead to God)to
God(the trinity)
the Son is a physical representation of our invisible God, born of a
virgin woman and God The Father, and the genealogy stopped with the first
born(the Son of God).(first mortal to be born into immortality)
Especially with the Koran, God refers to himself as We and Our. Even when
angles go to see God, they only come into his presence, nowhere does it
say that any being has seen the father(God himself)
So you do not think Gods word is divine? And yes, God is a mystery? why
does he want to save us? we do not deserve it(no matter how hard we try)!
Still Carnal,(myself)
Richard Jackson
Truthfully look at the Prophecy's,
many have to do with Gods displeasure with his people, not unbelievers.
Um...
So you're out to prove the "trinity" thing makes no sense?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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19 Aug 2004 02:45:07 PM |
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Richard Jackson wrote:
"Holden" <nothx@ihatespam.com> wrote in message
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JCB wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0408170501.3b810fcc@posting.google.com...
Christ sitting at the right hand of God
"If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are
above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God."
(Colossians 3:1).
If they were 'one God and same' - wouldnt they be sitting on the
same chair?
Wouldn't he be sitting on his own right hand?
My understanding of that verse is that it is talking of the place of
power or authority, not necessarily literally the 'right side. The
'right hand' (or 'right hand man') of the King was the person that
would hold the same power and authority as the King himself.
Now, if you don't understand the idea of the Trinity (and none of us
probably completely do) then the idea still may not make any sense
to you, but that is the explanation that is most common to me.
In Love,
JCB
I understand the Trinity! It's a story made up by ancient men to
explain things they didn't understand. If it made complete sense, it
wouldn't seem mystical and divine....
What you are implying is that you ( as many others) do not understand
the trinity. who but God could fully understand it?
Yes I agree, the Right hand man is the one who has the same
authority, one below the top.
the closest example that could be given is that we are made in Gods
image(not power), and we are Body(as yet carnal,mortal), Soul(mind,
will and emotions), and spirit.
1- soul as Father, what makes us who we are
2- body as the Son(The Lord Jesus(physical to this world, and we can
not do anything with out a body in this world)
3- spirit as Spirit, What makes us similar(in the invisible) and
connected (or unconnected if our spirit is dead to God)to God(the
trinity)
the Son is a physical representation of our invisible God, born of a
virgin woman and God The Father, and the genealogy stopped with the
first born(the Son of God).(first mortal to be born into immortality)
Especially with the Koran, God refers to himself as We and Our.
Even when angles go to see God, they only come into his presence,
nowhere does it say that any being has seen the father(God himself)
So you do not think Gods word is divine? And yes, God is a mystery?
why does he want to save us? we do not deserve it(no matter how hard
we try)!
Still Carnal,(myself)
Richard Jackson
Truthfully look at the Prophecy's,
many have to do with Gods displeasure with his people, not
unbelievers.
See? Here's a great example of contemporary men making up stories in an
attempt to explain things they don't understand. And like I noted above, it
doesn't really make sense, therefore giving it the illusion of being
mystical or divine.
Thanks, Mr. Jackson, you've highlighted my point perfectly.
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| User: "Richard Jackson" |
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20 Aug 2004 01:32:58 PM |
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"Holden" <nothx@ihatespam.com> wrote in message
news:2okea7Fbide8U1@uni-berlin.de...
Richard Jackson wrote:
"Holden" <nothx@ihatespam.com> wrote in message
news:2ohis9Fb3kbmU1@uni-berlin.de...
JCB wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0408170501.3b810fcc@posting.google.com...
Christ sitting at the right hand of God
"If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are
above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God."
(Colossians 3:1).
If they were 'one God and same' - wouldnt they be sitting on the
same chair?
Wouldn't he be sitting on his own right hand?
My understanding of that verse is that it is talking of the place of
power or authority, not necessarily literally the 'right side. The
'right hand' (or 'right hand man') of the King was the person that
would hold the same power and authority as the King himself.
Now, if you don't understand the idea of the Trinity (and none of us
probably completely do) then the idea still may not make any sense
to you, but that is the explanation that is most common to me.
In Love,
JCB
I understand the Trinity! It's a story made up by ancient men to
explain things they didn't understand. If it made complete sense, it
wouldn't seem mystical and divine....
What you are implying is that you ( as many others) do not understand
the trinity. who but God could fully understand it?
Yes I agree, the Right hand man is the one who has the same
authority, one below the top.
the closest example that could be given is that we are made in Gods
image(not power), and we are Body(as yet carnal,mortal), Soul(mind,
will and emotions), and spirit.
1- soul as Father, what makes us who we are
2- body as the Son(The Lord Jesus(physical to this world, and we can
not do anything with out a body in this world)
3- spirit as Spirit, What makes us similar(in the invisible) and
connected (or unconnected if our spirit is dead to God)to God(the
trinity)
the Son is a physical representation of our invisible God, born of a
virgin woman and God The Father, and the genealogy stopped with the
first born(the Son of God).(first mortal to be born into immortality)
Especially with the Koran, God refers to himself as We and Our.
Even when angles go to see God, they only come into his presence,
nowhere does it say that any being has seen the father(God himself)
So you do not think Gods word is divine? And yes, God is a mystery?
why does he want to save us? we do not deserve it(no matter how hard
we try)!
Still Carnal,(myself)
Richard Jackson
Truthfully look at the Prophecy's,
many have to do with Gods displeasure with his people, not
unbelievers.
See? Here's a great example of contemporary men making up stories in an
attempt to explain things they don't understand. And like I noted above,
it
doesn't really make sense, therefore giving it the illusion of being
mystical or divine.
Thanks, Mr. Jackson, you've highlighted my point perfectly.
Because you are ignorant of the Word does not make it false,
so what you are saying is the history of the Jew must be a made up story, so
history must be mans invention. the Jewish nation has risen and fallen many
times in past history as they have or have not heeded Gods Word to them.
when the time comes they will rebuild as prophecy not yet fulfilled will be
in its time.
how about the history of the USA, (not perfect, but) Founded on God and has
become the largest most dynamic nation on earth till it turns its back on
him (which is slowly happening)
During the USA's civil war a man remarked to president Lincoln "lets hope
God is on our side" and Lincoln remarked " no, let us hope we are on Gods
side".
Pro 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any
people.
and it is not mystical, just not understood fully in the 10% of the brain we
use.
mystical is a term for something not understood, must be why you used it.
you have yet to study the Word to understand.
Thank you for being so polite
Richard Jackson
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| User: "ChuckPFb" |
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| Title: Re: Christ sitting at the right hand of God |
20 Aug 2004 08:15:42 PM |
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"Richard Jackson" <booger7035n14@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Because you are ignorant of the Word does not make it false,
There are many scholars who know more about the bible and its
various sources than you do. Many of them don't take it literally.
so what you are saying is the history of the Jew must be a made up story,
Who is "the Jew?" There are reliable sources of historical information about
Jewish history. Information about alleged supernatural events is not so reliable.
how about the history of the USA, (not perfect, but) Founded on God
the USA was not founded on God. Have you ever read the US Constitution?
and has
become the largest most dynamic nation on earth till it turns its back on
him (which is slowly happening)
It was activity the secular sector of the USA that made it great.
During the USA's civil war a man remarked to president Lincoln "lets hope
God is on our side" and Lincoln remarked " no, let us hope we are on Gods
side".
Actually, that's just more political BS. The civil war was fought to protect
Northern industrial interests through tariff taxes. Lincoln stated bluntly in his
inaugural address that he had no plan to interfere in slavery wherever it existed,
but did intend to enforce and collect tariffs. The feds built a brand new tax
collection building in Charleston SC at this time, and fort Sumter was out there
in the harbor to enforce the rules. The south was getting raped by high tariff rates
which created high prices for imported goods. Since the south had an economy
based on agriculture, not industry, they suffered under tariffs which benefited
only northern industry. As the tariff rates went up, cotton prices went down, and
the southern leaders were aware of this. God had nothing to do with the
US Civil War, a conflict resulting from corruption and greed.
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| User: "Elaine" |
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20 Aug 2004 09:34:00 PM |
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"ChuckPFb" <nospam1@nospam2.com> wrote in message
news:2nxVc.486805$Gx4.80858@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Richard Jackson" <booger7035n14@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Because you are ignorant of the Word does not make it false,
There are many scholars who know more about the bible and its
various sources than you do. Many of them don't take it literally.
so what you are saying is the history of the Jew must be a made up story,
Who is "the Jew?" There are reliable sources of historical information
about
Jewish history. Information about alleged supernatural events is not so
reliable.
how about the history of the USA, (not perfect, but) Founded on God
the USA was not founded on God. Have you ever read the US Constitution?
and has
become the largest most dynamic nation on earth till it turns its back on
him (which is slowly happening)
It was activity the secular sector of the USA that made it great.
During the USA's civil war a man remarked to president Lincoln "lets hope
God is on our side" and Lincoln remarked " no, let us hope we are on Gods
side".
Actually, that's just more political BS. The civil war was fought to
protect
Northern industrial interests through tariff taxes. Lincoln stated
bluntly in his
inaugural address that he had no plan to interfere in slavery wherever it
existed,
but did intend to enforce and collect tariffs. The feds built a brand new
tax
collection building in Charleston SC at this time, and fort Sumter was out
there
in the harbor to enforce the rules. The south was getting raped by high
tariff rates
which created high prices for imported goods. Since the south had an
economy
based on agriculture, not industry, they suffered under tariffs which
benefited
only northern industry. As the tariff rates went up, cotton prices went
down, and
the southern leaders were aware of this. God had nothing to do with the
US Civil War, a conflict resulting from corruption and greed.
President Lincoln was ready to repatriate the Negro to Africa but he was
killed before he could do it.
An elderly doctor and a Baptist minister were seated next to each other on
the plane. The plane was delayed at the start due to some technical
problems. Just after taking off, the pilot offered his apologies to the
passengers and announced that a round of free drinks would be served.
When the charming air-hostess came round with the trolley, the doctor
ordered a gin and tonic for himself. The hostess then asked the minister
whether he wanted anything.
He replied, "Oh No! Thank you. I would rather commit adultery than drink
alcohol."
The elderly doctor promptly handed his gin and tonic back to the air-hostess
said, "Madam, I did not know there was a choice." the Negro to Africa, but
he was killed first.
Elaine
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20 Aug 2004 05:20:47 PM |
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:32:58 -0700, "Richard Jackson"
<booger7035n14@hotmail.com> wrote:
Because you are ignorant of the Word does not make it false,
Just because you say so doesn't make it true!
how about the history of the USA, (not perfect, but) Founded on God
BUZZ! WRONG!
The USA was founded on greed by a bunch of white, European
businessmen/opportunists. If the USA were "founded on God," how come
it took God's people around 200-years to begin to get over their
racial prejudice and allow different races to enjoy the freedom that
only the white, male land-owners enjoyed for the first 200 years of
our history?
Even today, many, many Christians AND PASTORS (white and black) still
hold on to those racial and cultural prejudices.
and has
become the largest most dynamic nation on earth till it turns its back on
him (which is slowly happening)
The USA is going through the very same cycles/group dynamics that
every culture has gone through since the first two people came
together to form a community.
During the USA's civil war a man remarked to president Lincoln "lets hope
God is on our side" and Lincoln remarked " no, let us hope we are on Gods
side".
Lincoln was a tyrant and a criminal. He didn't care about slaves, in
fact he did not want slavery in the "new" territories because he
wanted it to be exclusively for white people. Several "Free States"
had articles in their constitutions preventing slavery but also
preventing "free blacks" from living in their state. California being
the best example.
The ruse of the "war to end slavery" was not put forth until July 1862
and signed in January 1863. It was an executive order; yet another in
a series of Lincoln's "get around" the Constitutional constraints of
this country. Always follow the dollar. Support for Lincoln's war was
falling. He could not justify it as a war to preserve the Union
because people then knew what the US and State constitutions really
said. They read more than just the preamble. Secession was always
understood to be a legal and valid response to a tyrannical
government. It was the same justification use to "seceded" from Great
Britain. Today we seem to have those who read our US constitution like
the bible, and interpret current opinions and beliefs back upon those
who were living that particular period believing that those people
"felt the same way too"
The Emancipation actually freed NOBODY! Yes...Lincoln whose
Emancipation Proclamation only proclaimed the slaves in all
territories held by the Confederates free. Since they were NOT part
of the USA, Lincoln actually had no authority over them. It didn't
free any of the slaves in the North. It also did not apply to the
border states and their 300,000 slaves. It was just a political move
to get support in Europe and to encourage the slaves to rebel and
cause trouble in the South.
and it is not mystical, just not understood fully in the 10% of the brain we
use.
That excuse could be used by anyone to justify any para-normal
experience, speaking in tongues, miraculous healing, visions, etc.
mystical is a term for something not understood, must be why you used it.
you have yet to study the Word to understand.
Seriously, if he agrees with you and your interpretations and
experiences, then you think he understands. If he disagrees with you,
based upon HIS experiences and interpretations, then you simply say he
doesn't understand!!!
But, for the most part, that is how all of us approach discussions.
D*
You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image
when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
-- Anne Lamott
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| Title: Re: Christ sitting at the right hand of God |
24 Aug 2004 03:38:37 PM |
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Richard Jackson wrote:
"Holden" <nothx@ihatespam.com> wrote in message
news:2okea7Fbide8U1@uni-berlin.de...
Richard Jackson wrote:
"Holden" <nothx@ihatespam.com> wrote in message
news:2ohis9Fb3kbmU1@uni-berlin.de...
JCB wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0408170501.3b810fcc@posting.google.com...
Christ sitting at the right hand of God
"If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are
above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God."
(Colossians 3:1).
If they were 'one God and same' - wouldnt they be sitting on the
same chair?
Wouldn't he be sitting on his own right hand?
My understanding of that verse is that it is talking of the place
of power or authority, not necessarily literally the 'right side.
The 'right hand' (or 'right hand man') of the King was the person
that would hold the same power and authority as the King himself.
Now, if you don't understand the idea of the Trinity (and none of
us probably completely do) then the idea still may not make any
sense to you, but that is the explanation that is most common to
me.
In Love,
JCB
I understand the Trinity! It's a story made up by ancient men to
explain things they didn't understand. If it made complete sense,
it wouldn't seem mystical and divine....
What you are implying is that you ( as many others) do not
understand the trinity. who but God could fully understand it?
Yes I agree, the Right hand man is the one who has the same
authority, one below the top.
the closest example that could be given is that we are made in Gods
image(not power), and we are Body(as yet carnal,mortal), Soul(mind,
will and emotions), and spirit.
1- soul as Father, what makes us who we are
2- body as the Son(The Lord Jesus(physical to this world, and we can
not do anything with out a body in this world)
3- spirit as Spirit, What makes us similar(in the invisible) and
connected (or unconnected if our spirit is dead to God)to God(the
trinity)
the Son is a physical representation of our invisible God, born of a
virgin woman and God The Father, and the genealogy stopped with the
first born(the Son of God).(first mortal to be born into
immortality)
Especially with the Koran, God refers to himself as We and Our.
Even when angles go to see God, they only come into his presence,
nowhere does it say that any being has seen the father(God himself)
So you do not think Gods word is divine? And yes, God is a mystery?
why does he want to save us? we do not deserve it(no matter how hard
we try)!
Still Carnal,(myself)
Richard Jackson
Truthfully look at the Prophecy's,
many have to do with Gods displeasure with his people, not
unbelievers.
See? Here's a great example of contemporary men making up stories in
an attempt to explain things they don't understand. And like I noted
above, it doesn't really make sense, therefore giving it the
illusion of being mystical or divine.
Thanks, Mr. Jackson, you've highlighted my point perfectly.
Because you are ignorant of the Word does not make it false,
so what you are saying is the history of the Jew must be a made up
story, so history must be mans invention. the Jewish nation has risen
and fallen many times in past history as they have or have not heeded
Gods Word to them. when the time comes they will rebuild as prophecy
not yet fulfilled will be in its time.
how about the history of the USA, (not perfect, but) Founded on God
and has become the largest most dynamic nation on earth till it turns
its back on him (which is slowly happening)
During the USA's civil war a man remarked to president Lincoln "lets
hope God is on our side" and Lincoln remarked " no, let us hope we
are on Gods side".
Pro 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to
any people.
and it is not mystical, just not understood fully in the 10% of the
brain we use.
mystical is a term for something not understood, must be why you used
it. you have yet to study the Word to understand.
Thank you for being so polite
Richard Jackson
Thank you, but really, you've already done enough to prove my point.
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17 Aug 2004 05:08:28 PM |
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this prophecy, which will take place in approximately 1,000 years from today
in heaven, clarifies the exact relationship between the Father Almighty YHVH
in the OT to His only-begotten Son Yahushua 1 Corinthians 15:24-28
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