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25 May 2007 06:27:08 AM |
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Christ, the word, the rest of the story |
Christ χριστός
This masculine form of the adjective χριστός is only found in the LXX as
well as a few early Jewish documents. Its appearance in the New
Testament will be dealt with later. In the Hebrew Bible the term is
strictly used in connection with kings, priest, & prophets. The
appropriate Hebrew word would be māšîah. This is especially true of the
expected ideal king of the future. The word meant and means anointed,
associated with Greek verb chríein , it means to rub, to anoint with
scented unguents, or even to wash with color or to coat. Anointment had
its place in bodily hygiene, athletic contests, joyous or festive
occasions, medicine and magic as well as burial rites. In the case of
cultic activities, there was the anointing of statues of the gods, or
offerings, or the partakers in various ceremonies. It's even been used
in connection with feminine makeup Ezek, 16:9.
In 2 Samuel 1:21, is used for Saul's shield. It's also used in
preparations for a feast, the anointing of the tabernacle, the ark of
the covenant, the altar as well as other cultic objects. It is even
used with the sacrifices such as unleavened bread.
The word is found 531 times in the NT, often associated with the name
Jesus as in Jesus christ, or Christ Jesus. In several to many times, the
term christos functions as a second name, & can not be ethically
associated with the term, messiah. Of the 531 instances of the name, 270
are found in the Pauline letters, 113 in the Duetro-pauline letters. It
shows up only 35 times in the gospels, & never in the Q sources,
supposedly the common source for Mark. In Mark, there are even usages,
26 times in acts, & thirty times in the John series. Such a frequency of
usage does suggest that an explanation should be available.
This can only be done by examining the usage & context of the word in
the Hebrew Bible & other languages extant at the time.
In Dan 9:24, the word Theod "to anoint a most holy place" is assumed to
refer to the rededication of the temple, after the return from the
Babylonian vacation. The neuter term, chrision, it occurs but very
seldom. It is found in Aeschylus, Prometheus vinctus, Euripides,
Hippolytus, & in Galenus, De remediis parabílíbus, refers to a
medication that must be rubbed on. In Josephus, it means painted,. With
Theophilus, Ad Autolycum, christon is connected with a ship (caulked), a
house & a tower [whitewashed]. After that, the verb chiein then becomes
associated with athletes & ornaments, finally ending up with christians
being anointed with the oil of god.
In Lev. 21:10-12, the allusion to christon [anointing oil] is used
during the consecration of the high priest, & with Dan 9:26 [LXX], it
speaks of the future destruction of the city & the holy place meta tou
christou. The latter may mean with what was anointed rather than the
anointed one. As has been pointed out, the term christos, when applied
to people, & its variants, are only found in the early Hebrew Bible as
well as christian writings.
In the OT, anointed ones may be priests, kings, or self appointed
prophets. All the following passages are from the LXX.
The anointed priest, found in Lev 4:3,5,16 [christos] & in 6:15
[participle kechrismenos]. The high priest is meant, just as in Lev
4:21:10:12, the priest...on whose heads the anointing oil has been
poured. [cf. Num 35:25]
At god's command, Moses anoints Arron & his sons, in perpetuity.
Num 3:3 speaks of anointed priests, in the plural (LXX eleimmenoi), cf.
2 Macc 1:10 refers to Aristobulus `who is of the family of the anointed
priests ' (LXX christon). In this instance, anointing would mean
consecration as well as appointment. This is attested to by parallel
expressions.
One can state that here, it is the Lord that does the anointing. Where
prophets are concerned, my anointed ones occurs with parallels that
speak of the patriarchs, so the concept is neither novel, or expressly
christian.
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Christ, the word, the rest of the story |
25 May 2007 08:46:20 AM |
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"walksalone" <walksalone@dastardly,dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc> wrote in
message news:1kszgtsv1q4s2.dlg@life.is.sweet...
Christ ???????
This masculine form of the adjective ??????? is only found in the LXX as
well as a few early Jewish documents. Its appearance in the New
Testament will be dealt with later. In the Hebrew Bible the term is
strictly used in connection with kings, priest, & prophets. The
appropriate Hebrew word would be masah. This is especially true of the
expected ideal king of the future. The word meant and means anointed,
associated with Greek verb chrein , it means to rub, to anoint with
scented unguents, or even to wash with color or to coat. Anointment had
its place in bodily hygiene, athletic contests, joyous or festive
occasions, medicine and magic as well as burial rites. In the case of
cultic activities, there was the anointing of statues of the gods, or
offerings, or the partakers in various ceremonies. It's even been used
in connection with feminine makeup Ezek, 16:9.
In 2 Samuel 1:21, is used for Saul's shield. It's also used in
preparations for a feast, the anointing of the tabernacle, the ark of
the covenant, the altar as well as other cultic objects. It is even
used with the sacrifices such as unleavened bread.
The word is found 531 times in the NT, often associated with the name
Jesus as in Jesus christ, or Christ Jesus. In several to many times, the
term christos functions as a second name, & can not be ethically
associated with the term, messiah. Of the 531 instances of the name, 270
are found in the Pauline letters, 113 in the Duetro-pauline letters. It
shows up only 35 times in the gospels, & never in the Q sources,
supposedly the common source for Mark. In Mark, there are even usages,
26 times in acts, & thirty times in the John series. Such a frequency of
usage does suggest that an explanation should be available.
This can only be done by examining the usage & context of the word in
the Hebrew Bible & other languages extant at the time.
In Dan 9:24, the word Theod "to anoint a most holy place" is assumed to
refer to the rededication of the temple, after the return from the
Babylonian vacation. The neuter term, chrision, it occurs but very
seldom. It is found in Aeschylus, Prometheus vinctus, Euripides,
Hippolytus, & in Galenus, De remediis parablbus, refers to a
medication that must be rubbed on. In Josephus, it means painted,. With
Theophilus, Ad Autolycum, christon is connected with a ship (caulked), a
house & a tower [whitewashed]. After that, the verb chiein then becomes
associated with athletes & ornaments, finally ending up with christians
being anointed with the oil of god.
In Lev. 21:10-12, the allusion to christon [anointing oil] is used
during the consecration of the high priest, & with Dan 9:26 [LXX], it
speaks of the future destruction of the city & the holy place meta tou
christou. The latter may mean with what was anointed rather than the
anointed one. As has been pointed out, the term christos, when applied
to people, & its variants, are only found in the early Hebrew Bible as
well as christian writings.
In the OT, anointed ones may be priests, kings, or self appointed
prophets. All the following passages are from the LXX.
The anointed priest, found in Lev 4:3,5,16 [christos] & in 6:15
[participle kechrismenos]. The high priest is meant, just as in Lev
4:21:10:12, the priest...on whose heads the anointing oil has been
poured. [cf. Num 35:25]
At god's command, Moses anoints Arron & his sons, in perpetuity.
Num 3:3 speaks of anointed priests, in the plural (LXX eleimmenoi), cf.
2 Macc 1:10 refers to Aristobulus `who is of the family of the anointed
priests ' (LXX christon). In this instance, anointing would mean
consecration as well as appointment. This is attested to by parallel
expressions.
One can state that here, it is the Lord that does the anointing. Where
prophets are concerned, my anointed ones occurs with parallels that
speak of the patriarchs, so the concept is neither novel, or expressly
christian.
Nice job, walksalone.
Greywolf
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Christ, the word, the rest of the story, emendum |
25 May 2007 05:09:27 PM |
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In <1kszgtsv1q4s2.dlg@life.is.sweet>, on 05/25/07
at 06:27 AM, walksalone
<walksalone@dastardly,dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc> said:
CHOMP, spitoooie
The word is found 531 times in the NT, often associated with the name
Jesus as in Jesus christ, or Christ Jesus. In several to many times,
the term christos functions as a second name, & can not be ethically
associated with the term, messiah. Of the 531 instances of the name,
270 are found in the Pauline letters, 113 in the Duetro-pauline
letters. It shows up only 35 times in the gospels, & never in the Q
sources, supposedly the common source for Mark.
Whooooops, I blew it. Q is not found in Mark, but Matthew & Luke.
snip
Thanks to another poster in my other news group.
walksalone who has had a long day, & it has just begun.
The universe is like a safe to which there is a combination. But the
combination is locked up in the safe. -Peter De Vries, editor, novelist
(1910-1993)
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Christ, the word, the rest of the story, emendum |
25 May 2007 09:15:56 PM |
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<walksalone@the.ritz> wrote in message
news:46575e9b$1$jnyxfnybar$mr2ice@news.datemas.de...
In <1kszgtsv1q4s2.dlg@life.is.sweet>, on 05/25/07
at 06:27 AM, walksalone
<walksalone@dastardly,dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc> said:
CHOMP, spitoooie
The word is found 531 times in the NT, often associated with the name
Jesus as in Jesus christ, or Christ Jesus. In several to many times,
the term christos functions as a second name, & can not be ethically
associated with the term, messiah. Of the 531 instances of the name,
270 are found in the Pauline letters, 113 in the Duetro-pauline
letters. It shows up only 35 times in the gospels, & never in the Q
sources, supposedly the common source for Mark.
Whooooops, I blew it. Q is not found in Mark, but Matthew & Luke.
snip
Thanks to another poster in my other news group.
walksalone who has had a long day, & it has just begun.
The universe is like a safe to which there is a combination. But the
combination is locked up in the safe. -Peter De Vries, editor, novelist
(1910-1993)
I didn't catch the mistake either. Feel like the consumate 'dinky-donk' now.
Greywolf
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: Christ, the word, the rest of the story, emendum |
26 May 2007 05:20:18 PM |
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in
news:135f63k1v3lca34@corp.supernews.com:
<walksalone@the.ritz> wrote in message
news:46575e9b$1$jnyxfnybar$mr2ice@news.datemas.de...
In <1kszgtsv1q4s2.dlg@life.is.sweet>, on 05/25/07
at 06:27 AM, walksalone
<walksalone@dastardly,dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc> said:
CHOMP, spitoooie
The word is found 531 times in the NT, often associated with the name
Jesus as in Jesus christ, or Christ Jesus. In several to many times,
the term christos functions as a second name, & can not be ethically
associated with the term, messiah. Of the 531 instances of the name,
270 are found in the Pauline letters, 113 in the Duetro-pauline
letters. It shows up only 35 times in the gospels, & never in the Q
sources, supposedly the common source for Mark.
Whooooops, I blew it. Q is not found in Mark, but Matthew & Luke.
snip
Thanks to another poster in my other news group.
walksalone who has had a long day, & it has just begun.
The universe is like a safe to which there is a combination. But the
combination is locked up in the safe. -Peter De Vries, editor,
novelist (1910-1993)
I didn't catch the mistake either. Feel like the consumate
'dinky-donk' now.
But you're FORGIVEN! =D
oh wait...that's christers. Sorry. ;)
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
Help Prevent Projectile Stupidity
Duct-Tape a Fundie's Mouth Shut Today!
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| User: "" |
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26 May 2007 05:41:48 AM |
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In <135f63k1v3lca34@corp.supernews.com>, on 05/25/07
at 09:15 PM, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> said:
<walksalone@the.ritz> wrote in message
news:46575e9b$1$jnyxfnybar$mr2ice@news.datemas.de...
In <1kszgtsv1q4s2.dlg@life.is.sweet>, on 05/25/07
at 06:27 AM, walksalone
<walksalone@dastardly,dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc> said:
CHOMP, spitoooie
The word is found 531 times in the NT, often associated with the name
Jesus as in Jesus christ, or Christ Jesus. In several to many times,
the term christos functions as a second name, & can not be ethically
associated with the term, messiah. Of the 531 instances of the name,
270 are found in the Pauline letters, 113 in the Duetro-pauline
letters. It shows up only 35 times in the gospels, & never in the Q
sources, supposedly the common source for Mark.
Whooooops, I blew it. Q is not found in Mark, but Matthew & Luke.
snip
Thanks to another poster in my other news group.
walksalone who has had a long day, & it has just begun.
The universe is like a safe to which there is a combination. But the
combination is locked up in the safe. -Peter De Vries, editor, novelist
(1910-1993)
I didn't catch the mistake either. Feel like the consumate 'dinky-donk'
now.
Why, no one is infallible, especially not me. I can screw up a mushroom
soup sandwich, & put mustard on it. The trick is to learn from others,
when they do good & when they screw up. I get off because I do not
pretend to be a scholar, just a person with one hell of a lot of notes
as well as having read the sources for those notes. No professor of
history here.
Greywolf
walksalone who has screwed up the message, will screw up the message, &
on occasion, enjoys screwing up the message just to see who, or what, is
watching.
17:9 And thou shalt come unto the priests the Levites, and unto the
judge that shall be in those days, and enquire; and they shall shew thee
the sentence of judgment: 17:10 And thou shalt do according to the
sentence, which they of that place which the LORD shall choose shall
shew thee; and thou shalt observe to do according to all that they
inform thee: 17:11 According to the sentence of the law which they
shall teach thee, and according to the judgment which they shall tell
thee, thou shalt do: thou shalt not decline from the sentence which they
shall shew thee, to the right hand, nor to the left. 17:12 And the man
that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that
standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge,
even that man shall die: and thou shalt put away the evil from
Israel
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