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"IKnowHimDoYou" |
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09 May 2004 09:51:11 AM |
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Christian Biblical Authority |
Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's authority
and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the author of the
Book-God Himself. The power to bless and curse resides not in the
written words but in the One who inspired them. God is the power behind
the Book.
When those who profess to be Christian claim that the Bible is only a book
and man's traditions are just as authoritative they are actually saying
that God has no power or authority over them thereby denying the very One
who bought them with His precious blood. This gives credance to the
scripture:
"Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof, from such turn
away." II Tim 3:5
If you are trustng in man's traditions they will change over time and
circumstance. They will say one thing today and something else tomorrow,
e.g. diet changes, indulgences sold for money, homosexual priests, etc.).
It is far better to trust in the Living God described in His Bible than in
men who are sinners by nature-and choice.
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| Title: Re: Christian Biblical Authority |
09 May 2004 04:58:25 PM |
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
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Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves.
The Bible is an authority on nothing. The words you say do not demonstrate
or prove anything.
May an orange grow in your ear.
--Tock
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| User: "bogie" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Biblical Authority |
09 May 2004 02:30:25 PM |
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-0905040751110001@pm3-12.kalama.com...
Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's authority
and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the author of the
Book-God Himself. The power to bless and curse resides not in the
written words but in the One who inspired them. God is the power behind
the Book.
I see. Then I guess it'd be good idea to prove that god actually exists
first.
<snip>
bogie
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| User: "Tom" |
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10 May 2004 09:00:06 AM |
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-0905040751110001@pm3-12.kalama.com...
Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's authority
and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the author of the
Book-God Himself. The power to bless and curse resides not in the
written words but in the One who inspired them. God is the power behind
the Book.
The person who wrote the words are the power behind the bible and I'll give
you a clue IDKS, god wasn't involved.
When those who profess to be Christian claim that the Bible is only a book
and man's traditions are just as authoritative they are actually saying
that God has no power or authority over them thereby denying the very One
who bought them with His precious blood. This gives credance to the
scripture:
"Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof, from such turn
away." II Tim 3:5
If you are trustng in man's traditions they will change over time and
circumstance. They will say one thing today and something else tomorrow,
e.g. diet changes, indulgences sold for money, homosexual priests, etc.).
It is far better to trust in the Living God described in His Bible than in
men who are sinners by nature-and choice.
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| User: "Richard Jackson" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Biblical Authority |
10 May 2004 08:50:24 PM |
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obviously you have never studied the bible written by many inspired men over
hundreds of years and each book backs the other up without question, Ohhh
but God was involved!
"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
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Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's
authority
and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the author of the
Book-God Himself. The power to bless and curse resides not in the
written words but in the One who inspired them. God is the power behind
the Book.
The person who wrote the words are the power behind the bible and I'll
give
you a clue IDKS, god wasn't involved.
When those who profess to be Christian claim that the Bible is only a
book
and man's traditions are just as authoritative they are actually saying
that God has no power or authority over them thereby denying the very
One
who bought them with His precious blood. This gives credance to the
scripture:
"Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof, from such
turn
away." II Tim 3:5
If you are trustng in man's traditions they will change over time and
circumstance. They will say one thing today and something else
tomorrow,
e.g. diet changes, indulgences sold for money, homosexual priests,
etc.).
It is far better to trust in the Living God described in His Bible than
in
men who are sinners by nature-and choice.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Biblical Authority |
10 May 2004 10:51:58 PM |
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"Richard Jackson" <booger7035n14@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:xjWnc.36593$6L3.32376@fed1read05...
obviously you have never studied the bible written by many inspired men
over
hundreds of years and each book backs the other up without question, Ohhh
but God was involved!
Obviously most of us have and are aware that it was written by many men, but
that Moses was not one of them.
Would there be any point in asking you to stop top posting?
Not that being polite has ever been the hallmark of most of the chrtistians
who post here.
Those that do, do not share your belief.
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Biblical Authority |
11 May 2004 03:29:51 PM |
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"Richard Jackson" <booger7035n14@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:xjWnc.36593$6L3.32376@fed1read05...
obviously you have never studied the bible written by many inspired men
over
hundreds of years and each book backs the other up without question, Ohhh
but God was involved!
Obviously I have studied the bible much longer than you and have decided
that it is just what I said it was, a book, written by men and god wasn't
involved. If I had a god I don't think I would attempt to tie him to the
many lies, absurdities, atrocities, and myths that the bible holds. As to
each book backing up the other, there are times when there isn't agreement
within the books. It would appear that you are the one who needs to study
the bible.
"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-0905040751110001@pm3-12.kalama.com...
Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's
authority
and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the author of
the
Book-God Himself. The power to bless and curse resides not in the
written words but in the One who inspired them. God is the power
behind
the Book.
The person who wrote the words are the power behind the bible and I'll
give
you a clue IDKS, god wasn't involved.
When those who profess to be Christian claim that the Bible is only a
book
and man's traditions are just as authoritative they are actually
saying
that God has no power or authority over them thereby denying the very
One
who bought them with His precious blood. This gives credance to the
scripture:
"Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof, from such
turn
away." II Tim 3:5
If you are trustng in man's traditions they will change over time and
circumstance. They will say one thing today and something else
tomorrow,
e.g. diet changes, indulgences sold for money, homosexual priests,
etc.).
It is far better to trust in the Living God described in His Bible
than
in
men who are sinners by nature-and choice.
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| User: "walksalone" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Biblical Authority |
11 May 2004 07:20:09 AM |
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On Mon, 10 May 2004 18:50:24 -0700, Richard Jackson wrote:
obviously you have never studied the bible written by many inspired men over
I, & many others have indeed read & considered your grimorie, along with
those of other mythology's. They are all equally false, or true, depending
on your current wishes.
As to why we came to different conclusions, fair question. Maybe we
considered the history, era & supportive evidence for those claims, & found
them by & large false. Did they contain actual history, not much. Beyond
that could they be supported by evidence, not really.
hundreds of years and each book backs the other up without question, Ohhh
but God was involved!
People trying to prove their POV correct tend to back up others that back
their POV, not really that uncommon knowledge one would hope.
If you are referring to the xian grimorie, just who were those people, we
can not vouchsafe the first author with more than a best guess.
Example, was Jeremiah really written by Jeremiah, or a priest of Yahweh
that wanted Asherah finally out of the picture. To me, it is moot, but it
should be important to you.
BW, which god, or goddess, major or minor are you referring to? The father,
the son, both are named in the OT of the xian grimorie. Granted, you will
not find out who they really were without additional study, but you are
safe for you will not do that, emotionally, you can't afford to.
Let me give you one example of why you can not afford to.
Would you care to guess how many individual gods are involved below?
el aka il [S. Arabian]
Bi-nomics el elyon [god most high] el sadday [god of the mountain] el olam
[god everlasting] el betel [god of storms] el shaddy [god of the
wilderness]
Reigon of worship: Amorite, No. Israel, Syria,Lebanon & Ugarit
Period of worship: about two thousand five hundred BCE until seven hundred
BCE
Cults centers: Tirzah, Samara, Bethel, Dan and rather a lot of cultic
local hill shrines.
Sources of information: Vetus Testamentum,
Gods and Goddess, Devils and Demons, Manfred Lurker,
Encylopedia of Gods, Michael Jordan,
A comprehensive dictionary of the gods, Anne Baumgartner
Information: There is much conflict as to regarding the exact or correct
meaning of the name. In Ugarit he is the father of the gods & creator of
creatures, he also has the honors of creator of the earth and the bull [a
fertility symbol].
His throne is located at the source of the rivers in the depth of the
abyss. In the Palmyra region he was known as the creator of springs. He is
also found in the Hebrew and Christian mythologies where he is claimed to
be the sole creator of the universe. In the Amorite mythology, he is
responsible for the fertility of humans.
Attributes: He is claimed to be kind, merciful, generous, the creator of
the entire universe and everything that is in it or will ever be in it.
Nothing is known about the Hebrew claim as regards the primordial waters
and earth. [Were they created by El or not, they precede him in the Hebrew
myth]
"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
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Christian Biblical Authority
I am sure Tom will overlook the snip you have no answer for anyway.
--
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm
not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
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| User: "Stephen Bayzik" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Biblical Authority |
09 May 2004 01:54:17 PM |
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-0905040751110001@pm3-12.kalama.com...
Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's authority
and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the author of the
Book-God Himself. The power to bless and curse resides not in the
written words but in the One who inspired them. God is the power behind
the Book.
You mean the Bible has the approval of Gawd's Good Housekeeping Magazine?
======================================================
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Stephen Bayzik
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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09 May 2004 02:11:51 PM |
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(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-0905040751110001@pm3-12.kalama.com:
Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's
authority and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the
author of the Book-God Himself. The power to bless and curse resides
not in the written words but in the One who inspired them. God is the
power behind the Book.
When those who profess to be Christian claim that the Bible is only a
book and man's traditions are just as authoritative they are actually
saying that God has no power or authority over them thereby denying
the very One who bought them with His precious blood. This gives
credance to the scripture:
"Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof, from such
turn away." II Tim 3:5
Speaking for yourself again, I see.
If you are trustng in man's traditions they will change over time and
circumstance. They will say one thing today and something else
tomorrow, e.g. diet changes, indulgences sold for money, homosexual
priests, etc.). It is far better to trust in the Living God described
in His Bible than in men who are sinners by nature-and choice.
But you still deny the traditions of God. Instead of fixing the problems
with the Church, Luther invented a new religion. He would have been
better to have returned to the fold, leaving behind the schism that Rome
represents. Instead, he invented a whole new religion, Calvin changed it
some more and people have been peddling the resulting collection of
heresies as the genuine article ever since. You have no authority, son.
You can't read scripture for meaning. Hell, you can't even read my
usenet posts for meaning and they are far less complicated. Yet you
claim that your private interpretation of scripture must hold sway over
all of reality. You lie about that reality whenever a real conflict
appears and you defend your interpretation even at the cost of disobeying
God's direct commandments AS REVEALED IN SCRIPTURE. This makes you, at
best, a snivelling hypocrite, at worst a disciple of the devil. No
matter how many evil things your opponents have done, you are still
condemned by your OWN sins and your failure to repent them.
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
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| User: "jw" |
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25 May 2004 12:48:09 AM |
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On Sun, 09 May 2004 19:11:51 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
john w replied
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-0905040751110001@pm3-12.kalama.com:
Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's
authority and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the
author of the Book-God Himself. The power to bless and curse resides
not in the written words but in the One who inspired them. God is the
power behind the Book.
When those who profess to be Christian claim that the Bible is only a
book and man's traditions are just as authoritative they are actually
saying that God has no power or authority over them thereby denying
the very One who bought them with His precious blood. This gives
credance to the scripture:
"Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof, from such
turn away." II Tim 3:5
Speaking for yourself again, I see.
If you are trustng in man's traditions they will change over time and
circumstance. They will say one thing today and something else
tomorrow, e.g. diet changes, indulgences sold for money, homosexual
priests, etc.). It is far better to trust in the Living God described
in His Bible than in men who are sinners by nature-and choice.
But you still deny the traditions of God. Instead of fixing the problems
with the Church, Luther invented a new religion. He would have been
better to have returned to the fold, leaving behind the schism that Rome
represents. Instead, he invented a whole new religion, Calvin changed it
some more and people have been peddling the resulting collection of
heresies as the genuine article ever since.
You have no authority, son.
On whose authority do YOU speak? We 21st Century Christians speak on
the authority of the Bible, which hasn't changed since it was first
written.
jw
You can't read scripture for meaning. Hell, you can't even read my
usenet posts for meaning and they are far less complicated. Yet you
claim that your private interpretation of scripture must hold sway over
all of reality. You lie about that reality whenever a real conflict
appears and you defend your interpretation even at the cost of disobeying
God's direct commandments AS REVEALED IN SCRIPTURE. This makes you, at
best, a snivelling hypocrite, at worst a disciple of the devil. No
matter how many evil things your opponents have done, you are still
condemned by your OWN sins and your failure to repent them.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Biblical Authority |
25 May 2004 08:55:03 AM |
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In article <jdn5b0p26ctp15l0bsadesusg921fjq4a4@4ax.com>, jw <john_weatherly47
says...
snip
You have no authority, son.
LOL - Like you do.
On whose authority do YOU speak? We 21st Century Christians speak on
the authority of the Bible, which hasn't changed since it was first
written.
And which translation do you put your religious stock in?
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "walksalone" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Biblical Authority |
25 May 2004 05:05:21 PM |
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On Tue, 25 May 2004 13:55:03 GMT, Robibnikoff wrote:
Follow up set to crossposting trolls home group, ARCB [The one that spews
so much discord, even worse that the bible one.
In article <jdn5b0p26ctp15l0bsadesusg921fjq4a4@4ax.com>, jw <john_weatherly47
says...
snip
You have no authority, son.
LOL - Like you do.
On whose authority do YOU speak? We 21st Century Christians speak on
the authority of the Bible, which hasn't changed since it was first
written.
And which translation do you put your religious stock in?
The Jack Chick translation?
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
walksalone who thought everyone knew that it can't be any translation that
requires reading comprehension beyond grade 4. According to his posting
history, that is as high as jw can string a concept together.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Biblical Authority |
26 May 2004 10:08:58 AM |
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In article <1cc0zk6e5fq68.ufa4zvyv4uz4.dlg@40tude.net>, walksalone says...
On Tue, 25 May 2004 13:55:03 GMT, Robibnikoff wrote:
Follow up set to crossposting trolls home group, ARCB [The one that spews
so much discord, even worse that the bible one.
In article <jdn5b0p26ctp15l0bsadesusg921fjq4a4@4ax.com>, jw <john_weatherly47
says...
snip
You have no authority, son.
LOL - Like you do.
On whose authority do YOU speak? We 21st Century Christians speak on
the authority of the Bible, which hasn't changed since it was first
written.
And which translation do you put your religious stock in?
The Jack Chick translation?
Yes, he probably gets off on the horrendous artwork ;p
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "walksalone" |
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26 May 2004 02:08:50 PM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 15:08:58 GMT, Robibnikoff wrote:
In article <1cc0zk6e5fq68.ufa4zvyv4uz4.dlg@40tude.net>, walksalone says...
On Tue, 25 May 2004 13:55:03 GMT, Robibnikoff wrote:
Follow up set to crossposting trolls home group, ARCB [The one that spews
so much discord, even worse that the bible one.
In article <jdn5b0p26ctp15l0bsadesusg921fjq4a4@4ax.com>, jw <john_weatherly47
says...
snip
You have no authority, son.
LOL - Like you do.
On whose authority do YOU speak? We 21st Century Christians speak on
the authority of the Bible, which hasn't changed since it was first
written.
And which translation do you put your religious stock in?
The Jack Chick translation?
Yes, he probably gets off on the horrendous artwork ;p
Well, he is unable to read in context, as he has demonstrated, the pictures
are all he can comprehend.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
walksalone who knows jw doesn't like the above, but he has demonstrated
that it is fact as evidenced by his his posting history.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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25 May 2004 05:41:28 AM |
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 22:48:09 -0700, jw
<john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
You have no authority, son.
And you have, BOY?
On whose authority do YOU speak? We 21st Century Christians speak on
the authority of the Bible, which hasn't changed since it was first
written.
Interesting. When it was written slavery was perfectly legal. it still
is, in your bible. But not in the real world, BOY.
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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25 May 2004 12:30:07 PM |
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jw <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:jdn5b0p26ctp15l0bsadesusg921fjq4a4@4ax.com:
x-no-archive: yes
On Sun, 09 May 2004 19:11:51 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
john w replied
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-0905040751110001@pm3-12.kalama.com:
Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's
authority and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the
author of the Book-God Himself. The power to bless and curse
resides not in the written words but in the One who inspired them.
God is the power behind the Book.
When those who profess to be Christian claim that the Bible is only
a book and man's traditions are just as authoritative they are
actually saying that God has no power or authority over them thereby
denying the very One who bought them with His precious blood. This
gives credance to the scripture:
"Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof, from
such turn away." II Tim 3:5
Speaking for yourself again, I see.
If you are trustng in man's traditions they will change over time
and
circumstance. They will say one thing today and something else
tomorrow, e.g. diet changes, indulgences sold for money, homosexual
priests, etc.). It is far better to trust in the Living God
described in His Bible than in men who are sinners by nature-and
choice.
But you still deny the traditions of God. Instead of fixing the
problems with the Church, Luther invented a new religion. He would
have been better to have returned to the fold, leaving behind the
schism that Rome represents. Instead, he invented a whole new
religion, Calvin changed it some more and people have been peddling
the resulting collection of heresies as the genuine article ever
since.
You have no authority, son.
Actually, I do, son.
On whose authority do YOU speak? We 21st Century Christians speak on
the authority of the Bible, which hasn't changed since it was first
written.
Wrong. The Bible has changed considerably over time. For one thing it
is not one work, but a collection written over a period of at least a
millenium. Nor does it self-define, but rather it is defined by
tradition(s). Moreover, few read scripture in the oroginal languages any
more, usually preferring one translation or another. It is simply not
POSSIBLE to translate without indulging traditions of interpretation.
My authority comes from God, in the Person of Jesus Christ, who laid
hands on His disciples, who then laid hands on theirs in a continuing
chain to this present day.
Where does the Bible teach us to lie about science?
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
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| User: "H,R.Gruemm" |
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23 May 2004 03:12:15 AM |
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(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in message news:<IKnowHim-0905040751110001@pm3-12.kalama.com>...
Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's authority
and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the author of the
Book-God Himself.
Based on what authority do you claim that the bible is the word of an
actually existing god ? It cannot be the bible itself, because no
authority can logically certify itself.
The power to bless and curse resides not in the
written words but in the One who inspired them. God is the power behind
the Book.
And you support this extraordinary statement exactly how ?
Regards,
HRG.
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| User: "grateful" |
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25 May 2004 07:25:00 PM |
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(H,R.Gruemm) wrote in message news:<5662bb3.0405230012.2645a166@posting.google.com>...
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in message news:<IKnowHim-0905040751110001@pm3-12.kalama.com>...
Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's authority
and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the author of the
Book-God Himself.
Based on what authority do you claim that the bible is the word of an
actually existing god ? It cannot be the bible itself, because no
authority can logically certify itself.
As Jesus said to Satan:
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but
by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Mat. 4:4 Jesus quoted from Deut. 8:3.
Neither Christians nor Jews need look to you for permission
to quote Scripture. Jesus is the authority Christians trust
to claim that the Bible is the Word of God. If you find this
to be illogical, so be it. We are not accountable to you for
our beliefs. Quoting Scripture is an effective way to defeat
the devil(s).
The power to bless and curse resides not in the
written words but in the One who inspired them. God is the power behind
the Book.
And you support this extraordinary statement exactly how ?
Regards,
HRG.
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26 May 2004 01:46:37 AM |
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Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's
authority
and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the author of
the
Book-God Himself.
Based on what authority do you claim that the bible is the word of an
actually existing god ? It cannot be the bible itself, because no
authority can logically certify itself.
As Jesus said to Satan:
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but
by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Mat. 4:4 Jesus quoted from Deut. 8:3.
Of course, given the verse cited, Jesus could just as easily mean that Man
is mean to follow Torah.
Neither Christians nor Jews need look to you for permission
to quote Scripture. Jesus is the authority Christians trust
to claim that the Bible is the Word of God. If you find this
to be illogical, so be it. We are not accountable to you for
our beliefs. Quoting Scripture is an effective way to defeat
the devil(s).
On the other hand Satan is quite good at quoting scripture also as I recall.
dnp
bardi
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26 May 2004 08:43:09 AM |
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Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's
authority
and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the author of
the
Book-God Himself.
Based on what authority do you claim that the bible is the word of an
actually existing god ? It cannot be the bible itself, because no
authority can logically certify itself.
As Jesus said to Satan:
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but
by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Mat. 4:4 Jesus quoted from Deut. 8:3.
Of course, given the verse cited, Jesus could just as easily mean that Man
is mean to follow Torah.
Neither Christians nor Jews need look to you for permission
to quote Scripture. Jesus is the authority Christians trust
to claim that the Bible is the Word of God. If you find this
to be illogical, so be it. We are not accountable to you for
our beliefs. Quoting Scripture is an effective way to defeat
the devil(s).
On the other hand Satan is quite good at quoting scripture also as I recall.
Satan perverts Scripture. In Mat. 4:6 he employed sacred text,
about trusting God, in an attempt to seduce Jesus into tempting
God.
dnp
bardi
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26 May 2004 09:15:03 AM |
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Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's
authority
and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the author
of
the
Book-God Himself.
Based on what authority do you claim that the bible is the word of
an
actually existing god ? It cannot be the bible itself, because no
authority can logically certify itself.
As Jesus said to Satan:
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but
by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Mat. 4:4 Jesus quoted from Deut. 8:3.
Of course, given the verse cited, Jesus could just as easily mean that
Man
is mean to follow Torah.
Neither Christians nor Jews need look to you for permission
to quote Scripture. Jesus is the authority Christians trust
to claim that the Bible is the Word of God. If you find this
to be illogical, so be it. We are not accountable to you for
our beliefs. Quoting Scripture is an effective way to defeat
the devil(s).
On the other hand Satan is quite good at quoting scripture also as I
recall.
Satan perverts Scripture. In Mat. 4:6 he employed sacred text,
about trusting God, in an attempt to seduce Jesus into tempting
God.
Hardly alone in the matter.
dnp
bardi
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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26 May 2004 07:19:05 PM |
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In alt.atheism on 26 May 2004 06:43:09 -0700,
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Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's
authority
and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the author of
the
Book-God Himself.
Based on what authority do you claim that the bible is the word of an
actually existing god ? It cannot be the bible itself, because no
authority can logically certify itself.
As Jesus said to Satan:
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but
by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Mat. 4:4 Jesus quoted from Deut. 8:3.
Of course, given the verse cited, Jesus could just as easily mean that Man
is mean to follow Torah.
Neither Christians nor Jews need look to you for permission
to quote Scripture. Jesus is the authority Christians trust
to claim that the Bible is the Word of God. If you find this
to be illogical, so be it. We are not accountable to you for
our beliefs. Quoting Scripture is an effective way to defeat
the devil(s).
On the other hand Satan is quite good at quoting scripture also as I recall.
Satan perverts Scripture.
You have no idea what satan actually is, do you?
Read the story of Balaam's ***** in Numbers 22 (specifically, verse
22)
Gues what word you will find in there as descriptive of an angel
of the lord?
SATAN!
Satan isn't a fucking boogeyman, you dolt. It means "adversary",
and that's precisely what the angel of the lord is vis-a-vis Balaam.
Hint: it pays to know your book so it can be turned against you
stupid fucking xers.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "grateful" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Biblical Authority |
27 May 2004 01:26:08 PM |
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Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's
authority
and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the author of
the
Book-God Himself.
Based on what authority do you claim that the bible is the word of an
actually existing god ? It cannot be the bible itself, because no
authority can logically certify itself.
As Jesus said to Satan:
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but
by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Mat. 4:4 Jesus quoted from Deut. 8:3.
Of course, given the verse cited, Jesus could just as easily mean that Man
is mean to follow Torah.
Neither Christians nor Jews need look to you for permission
to quote Scripture. Jesus is the authority Christians trust
to claim that the Bible is the Word of God. If you find this
to be illogical, so be it. We are not accountable to you for
our beliefs. Quoting Scripture is an effective way to defeat
the devil(s).
On the other hand Satan is quite good at quoting scripture also as I recall.
Satan perverts Scripture.
You have no idea what satan actually is, do you?
Satan is our arch-enemy, and the opponent of all that is
good. He is the accuser of the brethren. He hates us one
and all because although he is much more powerful than we,
without the Lord, God has chosen to set His affection upon
us and to save us eternally. Satan OTOH is doomed, he is
without hope as are his children.
Read the story of Balaam's ***** in Numbers 22 (specifically, verse
22)
Gues what word you will find in there as descriptive of an angel
of the lord?
SATAN!
Once again, an adversary is an opponent. The angel of the
Lord is the angel of God's holy presence, and He is the
adversary of Israel's adversaries. During their wilderness
journey on the way to Land of Promise, He was their guide,
guard and protector. Actually the angel restrained Balaam
from sin, and the consequence of it which would have been
death.
Satan isn't a fucking boogeyman, you dolt. It means "adversary",
and that's precisely what the angel of the lord is vis-a-vis Balaam.
Find a Bible believing church, and attend the bible study
there.
Hint: it pays to know your book so it can be turned against you
stupid fucking xers.
You don't know what you so foolishly affirm, therefore it
is not paying off for you.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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27 May 2004 07:03:28 PM |
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In alt.atheism on 27 May 2004 11:26:08 -0700,
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Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's
authority
and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the author of
the
Book-God Himself.
Based on what authority do you claim that the bible is the word of an
actually existing god ? It cannot be the bible itself, because no
authority can logically certify itself.
As Jesus said to Satan:
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but
by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Mat. 4:4 Jesus quoted from Deut. 8:3.
Of course, given the verse cited, Jesus could just as easily mean that Man
is mean to follow Torah.
Neither Christians nor Jews need look to you for permission
to quote Scripture. Jesus is the authority Christians trust
to claim that the Bible is the Word of God. If you find this
to be illogical, so be it. We are not accountable to you for
our beliefs. Quoting Scripture is an effective way to defeat
the devil(s).
On the other hand Satan is quite good at quoting scripture also as I recall.
Satan perverts Scripture.
You have no idea what satan actually is, do you?
Satan is our arch-enemy,
Sorry, but you're wrong. Learn what satan actually means.
and the opponent of all that is
good.
Sorry, Num 22:22 proves you wrong.
He is the accuser of the brethren. He hates us one
and all because although he is much more powerful than we,
without the Lord, God has chosen to set His affection upon
us and to save us eternally. Satan OTOH is doomed, he is
without hope as are his children.
You really have no clue, do you.
Read the story of Balaam's ***** in Numbers 22 (specifically, verse
22)
Gues what word you will find in there as descriptive of an angel
of the lord?
SATAN!
Once again, an adversary is an opponent.
Once again, the word used is SATAN and god sent that angel as an
adversary against Balaam because god didn't want Balaam to do
something.
You really need to read your stupid book.
The angel of the
Lord is the angel of God's holy presence,
Which, in the story, is SATAN.
and He is the
adversary of Israel's adversaries. During their wilderness
journey on the way to Land of Promise, He was their guide,
guard and protector. Actually the angel
SATAN, you mean.
restrained Balaam
from sin, and the consequence of it which would have been
death.
So SATAN prevented sin. Interesting, isn't it?
Satan isn't a fucking boogeyman, you dolt. It means "adversary",
and that's precisely what the angel of the lord is vis-a-vis Balaam.
Find a Bible believing church, and attend the bible study
there.
Read Num 22:22.
Hint: it pays to know your book so it can be turned against you
stupid fucking xers.
You don't know what you so foolishly affirm,
You just violated Matt 5:22.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "grateful" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Biblical Authority |
28 May 2004 09:13:00 PM |
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Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message > >> >> > > > The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's
authority
and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the author of
the
Book-God Himself.
Based on what authority do you claim that the bible is the word of an
actually existing god ? It cannot be the bible itself, because no
authority can logically certify itself.
As Jesus said to Satan:
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but
by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Mat. 4:4 Jesus quoted from Deut. 8:3.
Of course, given the verse cited, Jesus could just as easily mean that Man
is mean to follow Torah.
Neither Christians nor Jews need look to you for permission
to quote Scripture. Jesus is the authority Christians trust
to claim that the Bible is the Word of God. If you find this
to be illogical, so be it. We are not accountable to you for
our beliefs. Quoting Scripture is an effective way to defeat
the devil(s).
On the other hand Satan is quite good at quoting scripture also as I recall.
Satan perverts Scripture.
You have no idea what satan actually is, do you?
Satan is our arch-enemy,
Sorry, but you're wrong. Learn what satan actually means.
and the opponent of all that is
good.
Sorry, Num 22:22 proves you wrong.
He is the accuser of the brethren. He hates us one
and all because although he is much more powerful than we,
without the Lord, God has chosen to set His affection upon
us and to save us eternally. Satan OTOH is doomed, he is
without hope as are his children.
You really have no clue, do you.
Read the story of Balaam's ***** in Numbers 22 (specifically, verse
22)
Gues what word you will find in there as descriptive of an angel
of the lord?
SATAN!
Once again, an adversary is an opponent.
Once again, the word used is SATAN and god sent that angel as an
adversary against Balaam because god didn't want Balaam to do
something.
You really need to read your stupid book.
The angel of the
Lord is the angel of God's holy presence,
Which, in the story, is SATAN.
and He is the
adversary of Israel's adversaries. During their wilderness
journey on the way to Land of Promise, He was their guide,
guard and protector. Actually the angel
SATAN, you mean.
restrained Balaam
from sin, and the consequence of it which would have been
death.
So SATAN prevented sin. Interesting, isn't it?
Num. 22:22 And God's anger was kindled because he (Balaam)
went: and the angel of the Lord stood in the way for an
adversary against him...
In this verse satan is a noun meaning adversary/opponent
not a proper name for the Devil. Satan is not a deliverer
but a destroyer.
Satan isn't a fucking boogeyman, you dolt. It means "adversary",
and that's precisely what the angel of the lord is vis-a-vis Balaam.
Find a Bible believing church, and attend the bible study
there.
Read Num 22:22.
Hint: it pays to know your book so it can be turned against you
stupid fucking xers.
You don't know what you so foolishly affirm,
You just violated Matt 5:22.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| Title: Re: Christian Biblical Authority |
28 May 2004 11:19:03 AM |
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Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's
authority
and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the author of
the
Book-God Himself.
Based on what authority do you claim that the bible is the word of an
actually existing god ? It cannot be the bible itself, because no
authority can logically certify itself.
As Jesus said to Satan:
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but
by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Mat. 4:4 Jesus quoted from Deut. 8:3.
Of course, given the verse cited, Jesus could just as easily mean that Man
is mean to follow Torah.
Neither Christians nor Jews need look to you for permission
to quote Scripture. Jesus is the authority Christians trust
to claim that the Bible is the Word of God. If you find this
to be illogical, so be it. We are not accountable to you for
our beliefs. Quoting Scripture is an effective way to defeat
the devil(s).
On the other hand Satan is quite good at quoting scripture also as I recall.
Satan perverts Scripture.
You have no idea what satan actually is, do you?
Satan is our arch-enemy,
Sorry, but you're wrong. Learn what satan actually means.
and the opponent of all that is
good.
Sorry, Num 22:22 proves you wrong.
He is the accuser of the brethren. He hates us one
and all because although he is much more powerful than we,
without the Lord, God has chosen to set His affection upon
us and to save us eternally. Satan OTOH is doomed, he is
without hope as are his children.
You really have no clue, do you.
Read the story of Balaam's ***** in Numbers 22 (specifically, verse
22)
Gues what word you will find in there as descriptive of an angel
of the lord?
SATAN!
Once again, an adversary is an opponent.
Once again, the word used is SATAN and god sent that angel as an
adversary against Balaam because god didn't want Balaam to do
something.
You really need to read your stupid book.
The angel of the
Lord is the angel of God's holy presence,
Which, in the story, is SATAN.
and He is the
adversary of Israel's adversaries. During their wilderness
journey on the way to Land of Promise, He was their guide,
guard and protector. Actually the angel
SATAN, you mean.
restrained Balaam
from sin, and the consequence of it which would have been
death.
So SATAN prevented sin. Interesting, isn't it?
Satan isn't a fucking boogeyman, you dolt. It means "adversary",
and that's precisely what the angel of the lord is vis-a-vis Balaam.
Find a Bible believing church, and attend the bible study
there.
Read Num 22:22.
Hint: it pays to know your book so it can be turned against you
stupid fucking xers.
You don't know what you so foolishly affirm,
You just violated Matt 5:22.
You don't have a clue. You are the poster child
for this verse: But the natural man receiveth not
the things of the Spirit of God: for they are
foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned.
I Cor. 2:14
In your present lost state you are completely
lacking in biblical discernment.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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27 May 2004 07:05:11 PM |
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On 27 May 2004 11:26:08 -0700, (grateful)
wrote:
Satan is our arch-enemy, and the opponent of all that is
good. He is the accuser of the brethren. He hates us one
and all because although he is much more powerful than we,
without the Lord, God has chosen to set His affection upon
us and to save us eternally. Satan OTOH is doomed, he is
without hope as are his children.
Your god was the creator of everything? And he loves everybody? Then
why did he fucking create satan? Supposing in his omniwhatever® wisdom
there was a need for that, why didn't he restrict this dude, or
terminate him a few thousand years ago?
Your gods aren't so omniscient or benevolent after all, eh?
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| User: "walksalone" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Biblical Authority |
27 May 2004 03:27:02 PM |
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On 27 May 2004 11:26:08 -0700, grateful wrote:
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message news:<qmcab0pecl4uu711r30qd32uk4lt4at80q@4ax.com>...
In alt.atheism on 26 May 2004 06:43:09 -0700,
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Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's
authority
and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the author of
the
Book-God Himself.
Based on what authority do you claim that the bible is the word of an
actually existing god ? It cannot be the bible itself, because no
authority can logically certify itself.
As Jesus said to Satan:
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but
by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Mat. 4:4 Jesus quoted from Deut. 8:3.
Of course, given the verse cited, Jesus could just as easily mean that Man
is mean to follow Torah.
Neither Christians nor Jews need look to you for permission
to quote Scripture. Jesus is the authority Christians trust
to claim that the Bible is the Word of God. If you find this
to be illogical, so be it. We are not accountable to you for
our beliefs. Quoting Scripture is an effective way to defeat
the devil(s).
On the other hand Satan is quite good at quoting scripture also as I recall.
Satan perverts Scripture.
You have no idea what satan actually is, do you?
Satan is our arch-enemy, and the opponent of all that is
He is one of your gods, whether you like that or not. As an evil deity, he
was not around until the Jews were kicked pout of Babylon by Kurash in -539
Gr.
good. He is the accuser of the brethren. He hates us one
He is the accuser because that is how El made him. Damn boy, don't you even
read anything but Jack Chick tracts. Try reading your grimorie for a
change.
and all because although he is much more powerful than we,
No, because you fear the concept, it will always be more powerful than you.
But then, sop is a stale burrito fart.
without the Lord, God has chosen to set His affection upon
us and to save us eternally. Satan OTOH is doomed, he is
without hope as are his children.
So, El created Satan just to tempt you & see if he could knaw on your leg
for eternity. No, El was known for wisdom & compassion prior to being
ripped off by the proto-Jews around -2100 Gr.
Read the story of Balaam's ***** in Numbers 22 (specifically, verse
22)
Gues what word you will find in there as descriptive of an angel
of the lord?
SATAN!
Once again, an adversary is an opponent. The angel of the
Not of necessity, he can also be a tester or accuser. But then, your breeks
are wet with your fear of your god's creation anyway, so you will never
admit you fear over nothing.
Lord is the angel of God's holy presence, and He is the
Of whom satan is but one. Or do you think the angel of Yahweh is the only
angel, do you even know who that angel is? Of course not, that would ruin
the story. It is the angel of death. Read your grimorie.
adversary of Israel's adversaries. During their wilderness
journey on the way to Land of Promise, He was their guide,
No, Yahweh supposedly was their guide. For a bleater, you are dumber than
jw, & that is hard to conceive of.
guard and protector. Actually the angel restrained Balaam
from sin, and the consequence of it which would have been
death.
Satan isn't a fucking boogeyman, you dolt. It means "adversary",
and that's precisely what the angel of the lord is vis-a-vis Balaam.
Find a Bible believing church, and attend the bible study
there.
You might wonder why anyone would want to end up as ignorant as you are by
doing that? But you won't, for you are to stupid to realise you don't even
know who wrote your grimorie.
Hint: it pays to know your book so it can be turned against you
stupid fucking xers.
You don't know what you so foolishly affirm, therefore it
is not paying off for you.
Don did not say it would work with the terminally stupid, nothing works
there.
Don
walksalone who realises most xians can't think where their myth is
involved, so suspects he might have to do a piece on their gods, just the
important ones.
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26 May 2004 11:25:13 PM |
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On 26 May 2004 06:43:09 -0700, (grateful)
wrote:
Satan perverts Scripture. In Mat. 4:6 he employed sacred text,
about trusting God, in an attempt to seduce Jesus into tempting
God.
But jesus IS god. So satan is attempting to seduce god into tempting
himself. See how silly that trinity thingy is?
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| User: "H,R.Gruemm" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Biblical Authority |
26 May 2004 04:12:57 AM |
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(grateful) wrote in message news:<13f2c124.0405251625.38b7fa6f@posting.google.com>...
psychotech@xpoint.at (H,R.Gruemm) wrote in message news:<5662bb3.0405230012.2645a166@posting.google.com>...
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Christian Biblical Authority
The Bible has no authority in the words of scripture in and of
themselves. The words are just that on the medium. The Bible's authority
and power to protect us and provide for us comes from the author of the
Book-God Himself.
Based on what authority do you claim that the bible is the word of an
actually existing god ? It cannot be the bible itself, because no
authority can logically certify itself.
As Jesus said to Satan:
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but
by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Mat. 4:4 Jesus quoted from Deut. 8:3.
Neither Christians nor Jews need look to you for permission
to quote Scripture.
True. But I don't need to look to you for permission to disregard any
claim or argument which is based on the words of a particular
religious text.
Jesus is the authority Christians trust
to claim that the Bible is the Word of God. If you find this
to be illogical, so be it. We are not accountable to you for
our beliefs.
No. Believe whatever you want. However, people will keep noting that
your arguments are objectively invalid.
Quoting Scripture is an effective way to defeat
the devil(s).
Yes, and it gets rid of pink homosexual leprechauns, too.
Regards,
HRG.
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