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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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31 Jul 2003 11:57:05 PM |
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Christian criminals plan to violate Constitution |
From The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 7/31/03:
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0703/31tencommand.html
Court clears way for 10 Commandments removal
Alabama justice may have 15 days to take down monument
By BILL RANKIN
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The federal appeals court in Atlanta on Wednesday cleared the way for
a 15-day deadline for the removal of a Ten Commandments monument at
Alabama's Judicial Building in Montgomery.
In response, some conservative Christians were preparing a campaign of
civil disobedience to keep the monument.
The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals issued an order Wednesday
enforcing a July 1 ruling that the monument, which lists the
Commandments, is an unconstitutional endorsement of religion by the
government.
Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore installed the 2 1/2-ton structure in
the Judicial Building lobby two years ago.
Montgomery-based U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson, who heard the
original case, has said once the 11th Circuit order was handed down,
he would order the monument removed within 15 days.
Moore will appeal the 11th Circuit decision to the U.S. Supreme Court,
his lawyer, Herbert Titus, said.
Titus declined to speculate on what the chief justice would do if
ordered to remove the monument while the appeal is pending.
Leaders of three Christian groups are urging supporters to participate
in civil disobedience by kneeling in prayer and blocking the
monument's removal from the Judicial Building.
"We don't want the monument to come out," Alabama Christian Coalition
President John Giles said in a phone interview Wednesday.
"We're prepared to do whatever it takes, even if it requires us going
to jail."
Moore has said he would neither encourage nor discourage nonviolent
protests.
"People have a right to stand up for what they believe," he said in a
recent interview on Alabama Public Television.
Moore picked up support in the U.S. House of Representatives, which
voted 260-161 last week to prohibit U.S. marshals from carrying out a
federal court order to have the monuments removed.
The amendment was attached to a spending bill that passed the House
but has yet to reach the Senate.
Three Alabama lawyers, supported by the Southern Poverty Law Center
and Americans United For Separation of Church and State, sued to have
the monument removed.
Richard Cohen, a lawyer for the Southern Poverty Law Center, said he
believes Moore will employ "all the shenanigans I can think of to
evade the court's order. But he ought to take it out now."
Alabama Attorney General Bill Pryor, President Bush's nominee to fill
an 11th Circuit vacancy, has supported Moore's installation of the
monument. A spokeswoman said Pryor was unavailable for comment
Wednesday.
Moore, who declined a request for an interview, said in the TV
interview that acknowledging God is part of his judicial duty.
"Under the state constitution, it says we establish justice invoking
the favor and guidance of the almighty God," he said.
"To acknowledge God is part of my duty. . . . To say we can't
acknowledge who this God is is certainly a contradiction of my oath."
Moore also criticized the 11th Circuit's July 1 decision, saying it
"dealt a little bit in fear tactics."
He was referring to a part of the ruling that said if Moore's
arguments were adopted, "the chief justice would be free to adorn the
walls of the Alabama Supreme Court's courtroom with sectarian
religious murals and have decidedly religious quotations painted above
the bench."
The decision's author, Judge Ed Carnes, an appointee of former
President George Bush and widely regarded as a staunchly conservative
jurist, went out of his way to warn Moore.
Carnes wrote that Moore's defense implies that he is not subject to
the order of any federal court.
Similar positions were taken by Southern segregationist governors in
the 1960s, Carnes wrote.
"Any notion of high government officials being above the law did not
save those governors from having to obey federal court orders," Carnes
wrote, "and it will not save this chief justice from having to comply
with the court order in this case."
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| User: "Kenneth Doyle" |
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01 Aug 2003 12:35:42 AM |
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(Fredric L. Rice) wrote in
news:vijsig4gk1gh81@corp.supernews.com:
Leaders of three Christian groups are urging supporters to
participate in civil disobedience by kneeling in prayer and
blocking the monument's removal from the Judicial Building.
"We don't want the monument to come out," Alabama Christian
Coalition President John Giles said in a phone interview
Wednesday.
"We're prepared to do whatever it takes, even if it
requires us going to jail."
Shows how seriously these christians take their religion.
Apparantly this block of stone is more important to them than
the words of Jesus. They are prepared to break at least two of
Jesus' commands (do not pray in public, obey the civil
authorities). Not to mention that praying to a block of stone
is condemned by the very same block of stone they happen to be
praying to.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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01 Aug 2003 10:44:26 AM |
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In article <vijsig4gk1gh81@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
From The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 7/31/03:
<snip>
"We're prepared to do whatever it takes, even if it requires us going
to jail."
I've been waiting for someone to comment on this particular line. If a
liberal said this then he would be in jail right quick in John Ashcroft's
Amerikkka. After all saying, "We're prepared to do whatever it takes",
includes the possibility of terrorist acts, murder and incitement of
violence in order to advance their agenda. Of course they don't have the
courage or brains to actually pull these kinds of things off, but that's
a different story. Their threat to break laws is essentially a promise
to riot and would not be considered free speech if it came from people
like WTO protesters.
Moore has said he would neither encourage nor discourage nonviolent
protests.
"People have a right to stand up for what they believe," he said in a
recent interview on Alabama Public Television.
But they don't have any right to break the law. Why aren't these people
placed in a designated protest area like liberals are when they want to
protest Bush? As far as I'm concerned the civil disobedience isn't the
issue. If the stone is not out of the courthouse in 15 days then Judge
Moore goes to jail. It doesn't matter what his excuse is. He stays
there until the monument comes out. If the state can't act on his behalf
to remove the monument then they'll just have to find a new Talabama
chief justice. Also, I see no reason for the state to not start
arresting protesters just like they did at the WTO protests. They better
not treat these people any differently than they treat normal mobs or
there will be more lawsuits.
Personally, I think this is gonna be good entertainment. I'm gonna get
some popcorn and watch :).
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Comrade" |
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31 Jul 2003 11:58:30 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 04:57:05 +0000, Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore installed the 2 1/2-ton structure in
the Judicial Building lobby two years ago.
and a fucking waste of taxpayers money when people are going hungry, and
the only time the taxpayer sees it, is when he us drug into court
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Comrade
see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT http://www.mysolution.ws
the aristocracy was the problem in 1776, the aristocracy is the problem today
http://www.aclu.org/dissentreport
Aristocrats CRUCIFIED Jesus
we must close the door by which aristocracy arises
Martin Luther King Jr said
"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true
meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all
men are created equal."
and their creed became, I REFUSE TO DREAM
and when we REFUSE TO DREAM? when we go on a strike? when we propose
laissez faire with respect to what we control? WELL, you see the story of
laissez faire changes quick, immediately there is not a hands-off policy,
and we are forced back to work, via anti-strike legislations, Taft-Hartley
acts, etc., not only are we not allowed to dream our dream, we are forced
to keep dreaming their's, we are niether allowed to dream or not dream,
and such is how Pharoah robs a man of his asylum in himself, and sets up
Pharoah as man's only asylum (http://www.mysolution.ws/cabal.htm)
Statements of supposed science, without statistics, are just as much religion,
and ONLY statements of faith as any religion, or statement of faith,
except they profess the supposed scientist is God, even more
dangerous than religion or God. There is no science, without a statement of
statistics, AND any statement without statistics, is a conjecture of faith
by the professor of such statement, and the "believer". An ethical
house cleaning of science and government is in order.
"Does God want goodness? or the choice of goodness?
Is the man who chooses bad, somehow better,
than the man who has the good forced upon him?"
a quote from the movie, A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick
Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage.
Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding
without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when
its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution
and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude!
"Have courage to use your own reason!" - that is the motto
of enlightenment.
Kant -- What Is Enlightenment? 1784
"It all sums up into one single purpose,
the abolition of dog-eat-dog under which we live...
and I traveled the United Front road to get it."
-- Roger Baldwin, Co-Founder ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)
"Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in
Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in"
MOODY BLUES
"Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:6
(religious and political leaders that are hypocrites)
(leaven is yeast, AIR IN BREAD, *****, fluff, marketing, snake oil - HYPOCRISY)
"How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:11-12
"But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."--Matthew 23:13
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."--Matthew 23:14
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."--Matthew 23:15
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."--Matthew 23:23
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess."--Matthew 23:25
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."--Matthew 23:27
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,"--Matthew 23:29
"And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod."--Mark 8:15
"And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,"--Mark 12:38
see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT http://www.mysolution.ws
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| User: "Nikolaos D. Bougalis" |
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01 Aug 2003 01:32:14 AM |
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"Comrade" <averagejoe@mysolution.ws> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.08.01.04.58.29.573077@mysolution.ws...
On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 04:57:05 +0000, Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore installed the 2 1/2-ton structure in
the Judicial Building lobby two years ago.
and a fucking waste of taxpayers money when people are going hungry, and
the only time the taxpayer sees it, is when he us drug into court
As far as I know, the structure was paid for by private funds -- not
that that makes it any better.
-n
P.S.: Can you trim your sig a bit? You're wasting precious electrons with
your mumbo-jumbo.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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01 Aug 2003 09:14:06 PM |
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Xenu allowed "Comrade" <averagejoe@mysolution.ws> to write:
On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 04:57:05 +0000, Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore installed the 2 1/2-ton structure in
the Judicial Building lobby two years ago.
and a fucking waste of taxpayers money when people are going hungry, and
the only time the taxpayer sees it, is when he us drug into court
And the $3.9 billion a month that a baby killing fascist is wasting
in Iraq, don't forget. Republicans waste more money than Democraps.
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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04 Aug 2003 08:59:35 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 04:57:05 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) ejaculated:
"We don't want the monument to come out," Alabama Christian Coalition
President John Giles said in a phone interview Wednesday.
"We're prepared to do whatever it takes, even if it requires us going
to jail."
The thing is that these freedom hating theocrats *want* to go to jail
for blocking the enforcement of the federal ruling. It'd make them
feel "persecuted" like St Stephen or Peter.
However, imagine the hue and cry from these same slack-jawed
god-fucking zombies, if it were the Muslim Creed on the Alabama court
house.
Some days I really hate what my country is becoming. It'd be nice if
people would take the Constitution seriously instead of using it to
wipe the drool from their yammering lips.
--
"There is no god but God, and Mohammed is his prophet."
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| User: "Nakas" |
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01 Aug 2003 01:43:56 AM |
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They should polish all the words off it and replace it with an explanation
of separation of church and state.
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| User: "Craig Pennington" |
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01 Aug 2003 11:58:55 AM |
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Nakas <nakas@comcast.net> wrote:
[snip]
They should polish all the words off it and replace it with an explanation
of separation of church and state.
I've always been of a similar opinion. I've had visions of using the
following quote from Madison's _Memorial and Remonstrance_:
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of
Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or
less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance
and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and
persecution. Enquire of the Teachers of Christianity for the
ages in which it appeared in its greatest lustre; those of every
sect, point to the ages prior to its incorporation with Civil
policy.
Cheers,
Craig
--
Corollary to Clarke's Third Law:
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently
advanced.
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