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Christian crusaders go to battle over spanking |
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Christian crusaders go to battle over spanking
Posted on Sunday, February 06 @ 09:13:56 EST Tools of discipline
horrify some of faithful
By Anna Badkhen, San Francisco Chronicle
Arlington, Mass. -- To raise a child, one needs three invaluable
allies: the Bible, the help of an extended family and
"biblical-based resources" -- 9-inch-long spanking paddles of blue
polyurethane, according to Steve Haymond from Bakersfield, who
sells the paddles online for $6.50 apiece.
Twyla Bullock, in Eufaula, Okla., swears by the Rod -- a 22-inch,
$5 white nylon whipping stick her husband designed and produced
until recently. Named after the biblical "rod of correction," the
Rod provides "a faith-based way to discipline children ... and
train them as Christians," Bullock explains.
Susan Lawrence, a devout Lutheran from Arlington, Mass., is
appalled.
"Christians are supposed to listen to Jesus," Lawrence said,
bringing the Rod down with a thump on the seat of her living room
futon and looking at the resulting dent with incredulity. "Can you
imagine Jesus teaching to use the Rod?"
Corporal punishment has long been an accepted method of child
discipline among evangelical and fundamentalist groups, but an
increasing number of Christians are raising objections, arguing
that advocates of spanking wrongly cite Scripture to justify a
practice that should be banned. Lawrence, who peppers her
conversation with quotes from the New Testament, says striking
children defies the Golden Rule from the Gospel of Matthew: "In
everything do to others as you would have them do to you."
Last year, Lawrence, 49, launched her Parenting in Jesus'
Footsteps site on the Web (www.parentinginjesusfootsteps .org,),
which is critical of corporal punishment being practiced by
Christian parents.
She also took her case to the federal government, arguing that the
Rod should be outlawed just like flammable pajamas or toys that
can choke. Last month, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission
turned down her formal petition, saying it had found "no basis for
determining that the product constitutes a substantial product
hazard."
Although the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American
Psychological Association strongly oppose the physical punishment
of children, the practice remains widespread among both religious
and secular Americans.
According to a 2002 national poll by ABC News, two-thirds of the
public approve of corporal punishment as a disciplinary measure.
In a 1995 Gallup poll, one-third of parents who said they spanked
their children said they had hit them with "a belt, hairbrush,
stick or some other hard object."
Twenty-three states sanction spanking in schools. California does
not allow corporal punishment in school, but parents or guardians
can spank their children so long as it does not result in serious
physical harm, in which case it becomes child abuse.
"Americans have a strong belief in the parents' right to use it on
their children in the privacy of their home as they please," said
Ronald Rohner, an expert on corporal punishment at the University
of Connecticut. But he said many fundamentalist Christians, in
their literal reading of the Bible, regard spanking as a religious
as well as parental duty. The Book of Proverbs in the Old
Testament, for example, says that "the rod of correction imparts
wisdom, but a child left to himself disgraces his mother," and "he
who spares his rod hates his son, but he who loves him disciplines
him promptly."
Christian conservatives often quote such passages from pulpits, on
radio and television shows and on the Internet, and provide
guidelines for what they call biblical discipline.
The Family Research Council, a Christian advocacy group, warns
that physical discipline "is inappropriate before 15 months of
age" and suggests that parents spare the rod and slap children
with a bare hand instead.
The evangelical leader James Dobson recommends that parents use a
"swish or paddle" or other "neutral" object, reserving the hand as
"an object of love."
"Corporal punishment, when used lovingly and properly, is
beneficial to a child because it is in harmony with nature
itself," Dobson, the founder of Focus on the Family, which claims
a mailing list of 2.5 million believers, wrote on the
organization's Web site (www.family.org).
Joey Salvati, a carpenter from New Kingston, Pa., and a father of
two, has been crafting wooden spanking paddles since 2002. The
$5.75 implements come with a suggestion as to the number of swats
for various childhood misdemeanors: one for disrespectful
behavior, two for cursing, three for cheating, lying or "direct
defiance."
"None of these paddles are perfect. Neither are we!" reads the
slogan on Salvati's Web site, www.spare-rods.com. "Use lovingly
and NEVER in anger."
Bullock called the rift among Christians over corporal punishment
"a division between people who disagree with biblical discipline,
and those who believe in it."
Bill Maier, a child psychologist and the vice president of Focus
on the Family, argued that Christian groups opposing spanking
deviate from "the orthodox interpretation" of the Bible, which, he
said, lists spanking as "one of many disciplinary methods that are
at parents' disposal."
"There is no basis for saying that Scripture says spanking is
somehow evil or should not be used by parents," said Maier.
But equally observant Christians, such as Al Crowell, director of
the San Francisco-based Christians for Nonviolent Parenting, are
becoming increasingly vocal in their opposition to the practice.
"If taken literally, the Old Testament condones having slaves and
stoning women who have sex outside of marriage. But if you look at
the life of Jesus, it's pretty hard to imagine him hitting
children," said Crowell, a father of two who, along with 645
others, has signed Lawrence's online petition to ban the Rod.
In addition to her petition to ban the Rod, Lawrence, who
homeschools her children, has so far obtained 300 supporters to
sign her online petition calling for a complete ban on corporal
punishment in the United States.
"We're a very violent, hitting society, a very child-unfriendly
society," said Lawrence, who has adorned the front door of her
snow- cocooned Colonial house with stickers that say "Kids Safe
Zone."
"I have a saying: 'Peace begins at home.'"
Groups on both sides of spanking debate
PRO
Web sites and groups that support corporal punishment:
-- Focus on the Family, one of the nation's leading Christian
evangelical groups, explains the merits of spanking on
www.family.org
-- www.geocities.com/spankwithlove3, an online resource dedicated
to corporal punishment, gives tips on how to better position the
child for spanking, and explain the level of effectiveness of
spanking through different garments (for example, according to the
Web site, denim jeans absorb 70 percent of the impact of a
barehanded blow).
-- www.christian-parents.net, which states as its goal instructing
parents how to "biblically teach and discipline their children,"
defends spanking as "moral and upright in the sight of God."
CON
Web sites and groups that oppose corporal punishment:
-- www.stoptherod.net
-- www.parentinginjesusfootsteps.org
-- www.childadvocate.org
-- www.nospank.net, includes a link to Christians for Nonviolent
Parenting
-- American Academy of Pediatrics, at www.aap.org
-- American Psychological Association, at www.apa.org
-- California and these 26 states have banned corporal punishment
in public and private schools: Alaska, Connecticut, Delaware,
Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan,
Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey,
North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont,
Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin.
-- It is illegal for a parent, teacher or caretaker to use any
form of corporal punishment on a child in 13 countries: Sweden,
Finland, Denmark, Norway, Austria, Cyprus, Croatia, Latvia,
Germany, Israel, Iceland, Romania, Ukraine.
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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06 Feb 2005 07:17:25 PM |
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:42:34 GMT, desert phile@hot mail.com (L. Ron
Hubbard) wrote:
snip
Arlington, Mass. -- To raise a child, one needs three invaluable
allies: the Bible, the help of an extended family and
"biblical-based resources" -- 9-inch-long spanking paddles of blue
polyurethane, according to Steve Haymond from Bakersfield, who
sells the paddles online for $6.50 apiece.
Being raised by the belt (or paddle) doesn't teach a child anything
except hate. Having lived through unnumbered whippings and beating
from my father, I know 'corporal' punishment is a farce. It's what
stupid people do because they think it's right or enjoy it.
I raised two wonderful daughters without laying a hand on them.
They grew up to be caring, loving adults. But that's an atheist for
you.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
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| User: "Wolfie" |
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08 Mar 2005 09:19:03 AM |
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On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:17:25 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@sonic.net>
crawled out of a cave and shouted to the world thusly:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:42:34 GMT, desert phile@hot mail.com (L. Ron
Hubbard) wrote:
snip
Arlington, Mass. -- To raise a child, one needs three invaluable
allies: the Bible, the help of an extended family and
"biblical-based resources" -- 9-inch-long spanking paddles of blue
polyurethane, according to Steve Haymond from Bakersfield, who
sells the paddles online for $6.50 apiece.
Being raised by the belt (or paddle) doesn't teach a child anything
except hate. Having lived through unnumbered whippings and beating
from my father, I know 'corporal' punishment is a farce. It's what
stupid people do because they think it's right or enjoy it.
I raised two wonderful daughters without laying a hand on them.
They grew up to be caring, loving adults. But that's an atheist for
you.
The Newfie grew up with all kinds of abuse - his father wasn't
necessarily religious, just a violent *****. Other bad things
happened between him and his family on that basis, and he loves them
so much, I just found out for him (by scanning four years of obits)
that the old man died a year and a half ago. He still hasn't called
any of his "siblings", and I don't think he ever will.
His only regret is that his stepmother didn't die first and leave him
alone, just as the old man threw out the Newfie's sick, crippled mom
into the street, with my young husband the only child to go with her.
She killed herself in 1977.
--Wolfie
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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06 Feb 2005 08:54:18 PM |
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On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:17:25 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@sonic.net>
thought hard and said:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:42:34 GMT, desert phile@hot mail.com (L. Ron
Hubbard) wrote:
snip
Arlington, Mass. -- To raise a child, one needs three invaluable
allies: the Bible, the help of an extended family and
"biblical-based resources" -- 9-inch-long spanking paddles of blue
polyurethane, according to Steve Haymond from Bakersfield, who
sells the paddles online for $6.50 apiece.
Being raised by the belt (or paddle) doesn't teach a child anything
except hate.
Hardly. While I did not received a whippin' every day, my parents
(both of 'em did it) would spank me if I did something I was not
supposed to do, but only after they had warned me not to do it. There
was never any of this "pounce and wale on 'em if they do it" *****.
Having lived through unnumbered whippings and beating
from my father, I know 'corporal' punishment is a farce. It's what
stupid people do because they think it's right or enjoy it.
I raised two wonderful daughters without laying a hand on them.
They grew up to be caring, loving adults. But that's an atheist for
you.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
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| User: "Liz" |
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07 Feb 2005 06:26:19 AM |
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:54:18 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> in news message
<cmld01h794msoarcp4nogvn2ir29fqmm3l@4ax.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:17:25 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@sonic.net>
thought hard and said:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:42:34 GMT, desert phile@hot mail.com (L. Ron
Hubbard) wrote:
snip
Arlington, Mass. -- To raise a child, one needs three invaluable
allies: the Bible, the help of an extended family and
"biblical-based resources" -- 9-inch-long spanking paddles of blue
polyurethane, according to Steve Haymond from Bakersfield, who
sells the paddles online for $6.50 apiece.
Being raised by the belt (or paddle) doesn't teach a child anything
except hate.
Hardly. While I did not received a whippin' every day, my parents
(both of 'em did it) would spank me if I did something I was not
supposed to do, but only after they had warned me not to do it. There
was never any of this "pounce and wale on 'em if they do it" *****.
Do you think it is okay to beat those who can not defend themselves?
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
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| User: "desert phile@hot mail.com L. Ron Hubbard" |
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07 Feb 2005 11:23:46 AM |
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On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:26:19 GMT, Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:54:18 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> in news message
<cmld01h794msoarcp4nogvn2ir29fqmm3l@4ax.com> wrote:
Hardly. While I did not received a whippin' every day, my parents
(both of 'em did it) would spank me if I did something I was not
supposed to do, but only after they had warned me not to do it. There
was never any of this "pounce and wale on 'em if they do it" *****.
Do you think it is okay to beat those who can not defend themselves?
It's the American way.
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
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opinions, and flattering none; she will be neither radical nor
conservative. Consider the moonlight, so civil, yet so savage!" --
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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07 Feb 2005 07:49:16 PM |
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:54:18 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:17:25 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@sonic.net>
thought hard and said:
Being raised by the belt (or paddle) doesn't teach a child anything
except hate.
Hardly. While I did not received a whippin' every day, my parents
(both of 'em did it) would spank me if I did something I was not
supposed to do, but only after they had warned me not to do it. There
was never any of this "pounce and wale on 'em if they do it" *****.
So for you, having your parents hit you is a learning experience and
you don't mind it.
What does that mean?
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "desert phile@hot mail.com L. Ron Hubbard" |
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07 Feb 2005 08:05:15 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:49:16 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@sonic.net>
wrote:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:54:18 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:17:25 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@sonic.net>
thought hard and said:
Being raised by the belt (or paddle) doesn't teach a child anything
except hate.
Hardly. While I did not received a whippin' every day, my parents
(both of 'em did it) would spank me if I did something I was not
supposed to do, but only after they had warned me not to do it. There
was never any of this "pounce and wale on 'em if they do it" *****.
So for you, having your parents hit you is a learning experience and
you don't mind it.
No where did I see him write that he did not "mind it."
What does that mean?
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "desert phile@hot mail.com L. Ron Hubbard" |
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06 Feb 2005 08:11:21 PM |
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On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:17:25 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@sonic.net>
wrote:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:42:34 GMT, desert phile@hot mail.com (L. Ron
Hubbard) wrote:
snip
Arlington, Mass. -- To raise a child, one needs three invaluable
allies: the Bible, the help of an extended family and
"biblical-based resources" -- 9-inch-long spanking paddles of blue
polyurethane, according to Steve Haymond from Bakersfield, who
sells the paddles online for $6.50 apiece.
Being raised by the belt (or paddle) doesn't teach a child anything
except hate.
It certainly has been very effective at teaching children that big
people not only get to beat little people, but may also justify
that abuse as "moral" and "noble."
Having lived through unnumbered whippings and beating
from my father, I know 'corporal' punishment is a farce. It's what
stupid people do because they think it's right or enjoy it.
Indeed. Has anyone ever learned "discipline" from being beaten? I
deny it. Discipline is internal; it is guts and personal
integrity, and cannot be imposed by beating people.
I raised two wonderful daughters without laying a hand on them.
That means you are morally, ethically, and intellectually superior
to millions of Americans.
They grew up to be caring, loving adults. But that's an atheist for
you.
There is an old essay by a Greek, some 2000 years old or so, where
the proponent and antagonist were arguing a point; the antagonist
ran out of valid points to argue, so he hauled off and struck the
proponent in the mouth, knocking him down. The proponent said
"Thus, you have finally seen you are wrong."
I contend that if a parent believes she or he must strike a child,
that parent has already failed their job of raising the child.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
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rich enough. It wants only the magnanimity and refinement. It can spend
money enough on such things as farmers and traders value, but it is
thought Utopian to propose spending money for things which more
intelligent men know to be of far more worth. [....] Instead of
noblemen, let us have noble villages of men." -- Henry David Thoreau,
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07 Feb 2005 06:18:20 AM |
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<desert phile@hot mail.com (L. Ron Hubbard)> wrote in message
news:36o12bF53gkihU1@individual.net...
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:17:25 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@sonic.net>
wrote:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:42:34 GMT, desert phile@hot mail.com (L. Ron
Hubbard) wrote:
snip
Arlington, Mass. -- To raise a child, one needs three invaluable
allies: the Bible, the help of an extended family and
"biblical-based resources" -- 9-inch-long spanking paddles of blue
polyurethane, according to Steve Haymond from Bakersfield, who
sells the paddles online for $6.50 apiece.
Being raised by the belt (or paddle) doesn't teach a child anything
except hate.
It certainly has been very effective at teaching children that big
people not only get to beat little people, but may also justify
that abuse as "moral" and "noble."
Sounds like one of my good Catholic SILs who has a daughter that she smacks
around regularly, usually in the face or head.
Mind you, this is also the same child that has a severe heart defect which
will require a heart transplant by the time she's a teenager <sigh>
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Feb 2005 12:34:46 AM |
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:18:20 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> said in alt.atheism:
Sounds like one of my good Catholic SILs who has a daughter that she smacks
around regularly, usually in the face or head.
Mind you, this is also the same child that has a severe heart defect which
will require a heart transplant by the time she's a teenager <sigh>
If she lives that long. Have you thought of instituting procedures to
get the girl taken away from her?
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a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the
crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due
to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious
indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility
corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of
nature and of our own being."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, from article by
Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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08 Feb 2005 06:03:43 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:18:20 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> said in alt.atheism:
Sounds like one of my good Catholic SILs who has a daughter that she
smacks
around regularly, usually in the face or head.
Mind you, this is also the same child that has a severe heart defect which
will require a heart transplant by the time she's a teenager <sigh>
If she lives that long. Have you thought of instituting procedures to
get the girl taken away from her?
She'll probably live long enough to get the transplant, but will then only
survive to her mid-20s, depending on how medical research progresses.
It's a sad situation, but not something I'm getting in the middle of. ALL
my Catholic SILs hit their kids. Should I try to take them all away?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Feb 2005 05:54:32 PM |
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:03:43 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> said in alt.atheism:
It's a sad situation, but not something I'm getting in the middle of. ALL
my Catholic SILs hit their kids. Should I try to take them all away?
Should you try to stop child abuse, Robin? Only you can answer that.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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08 Feb 2005 07:01:34 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:03:43 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> said in alt.atheism:
It's a sad situation, but not something I'm getting in the middle of. ALL
my Catholic SILs hit their kids. Should I try to take them all away?
Should you try to stop child abuse, Robin? Only you can answer that.
Look, if they were pulverizing the kid, that would be another story. I
wouldn't be the only one to step in. However, I've only heard that they hit
her in the face and head. I've never been there when it's happened, nor
have I ever seen any evidence (i.e., bruises). I've only heard third hand
accounts. What would YOU do?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Feb 2005 09:46:49 PM |
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:01:34 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> said in alt.atheism:
Look, if they were pulverizing the kid, that would be another story. I
wouldn't be the only one to step in. However, I've only heard that they hit
her in the face and head. I've never been there when it's happened, nor
have I ever seen any evidence (i.e., bruises). I've only heard third hand
accounts. What would YOU do?
Call CPS, or whatever it's called in NJ, and let the fur fly where it
may. It's even worse that she only has so few years to live. At
least they should be happy ones.
Then, again, it's your family, not mine, so I don't have to face them.
If it were my SIL (who would probably cut her hand off before she'd
hit a child), I'd face her directly. But we're more like brother and
sister.
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as false, and by the rulers as useful."
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06 Feb 2005 05:45:30 PM |
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desert phile@hot mail.com (L. Ron Hubbard) wrote:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/02/06/MNGJ4B6UE11.DTL
According to a 2002 national poll by ABC News, two-thirds of the
public approve of corporal punishment as a disciplinary measure.
In a 1995 Gallup poll, one-third of parents who said they spanked
their children said they had hit them with "a belt, hairbrush,
stick or some other hard object."
And of course we all act shocked when some of these children grow up
to slaughter all their parents and siblings before climbing to the top
of the tower leaving notes doing it all for Jesus before the SWAT team
ends their problems.
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